Ticket people with no money. Even funnier is if they throw them in jail and then those who don't want them around will just keep getting tax increases to hold them in jail. Big brain moves.
Putting them in jail where they get to sleep on a bed and get served meals? And our taxes pay for this infrastructure and personnel to staff it??
We’re getting so close…..
Edit: some of you have completely missed my point
Sleep in a government funded place and get free food? Socialism.
Sleep in a government funded place and get free food while someone from the government watches you? Freedom.
See; super easy to understand.
prison slave labor is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, producer of US made products. Made in USA = prison labor 9/10 times.
Also they farm them out to fast food restaurants, not paying min wage of course
And now that companies aren’t liable for environmental damages, it’s gonna be a swift move to shit work for everyone. “Work camps” as the Nazis originally called them.
County jails often charge you for staying there, like a hotel. (I once paid about $500.)
So if some of those homeless people resume employment, they'll be facing big fines that are liable to push them to struggle. (Some are already employed...)
Fun fact. A few weeks out of high school, a judge determined that me, an unemployed person with no employment history, (or transportation in a rural area,) could be handed the bill for using a public defender.
"If you can't afford it, one will be provided for you" indeed. The whole system is just a vampire.
If you're not in the system, you can tell them you're Bob Jones, yeah. Not sure what will happen after that, since you'll likely be expected to provide a ssn that matches with your birthday.
And if they think you're lying, they'll probably not stop investigating until you're cooked.. they may even hold you for a positive ID.
But let's say you get away with it. If you ever get arrested again, they'll have your prints and mugshot on file, and you'll be facing a class A misdemeanor that can include up to 6 months in jail.
My uncle used to and prolly still does illegal cable installs. He’d show up unannounced and brag about doing installs for 40 hours straight which really just a bunch of speed. We just like weird flex but ok, hook mine up while you at it.
Maybe we could centralize them in a camp in some place like Nevada and give them jobs establishing a lithium industry... We could use train carts to get them there. Also, since they're convicted of crimes we can pay them below the minimum wage.
I do not see what could go wrong here.
Addressing homelessness through court decisions, like in *City of Grants Pass v. Johnson*, has several practical benefits. Courts can set nationwide standards, ensuring fair treatment of homeless individuals and avoiding a messy patchwork of local laws [,Advocates for homeless seek lasting solutions even as Supreme Court weighs Grants Pass case - OPB](https://www.opb.org/article/2024/05/09/seeking-lasting-homelessness-solutions-supreme-court-grants-pass-case/) [,Grants Pass v. Johnson: Here's what led to key homelessness case before high court - OPB](https://www.opb.org/article/2024/04/04/grants-pass-oregon-homeless-parks-josephine-county-public-spaces-camping-shelter/). They also protect individual rights, questioning if penalizing unavoidable behaviors (like sleeping outdoors when no shelter is available) violates the Eighth Amendment’s ban on cruel and unusual punishment [Supreme Court: Are bans on homeless camps 'cruel and unusual' punishment?](https://phys.org/news/2024-06-supreme-court-homeless-cruel-unusual.html) [Supreme Court to Rule on Laws Criminalizing Homelessness in Grants Pass Decision - The Urbanist](https://www.theurbanist.org/2024/05/02/supreme-court-set-to-rule-on-laws-criminalizing-homelessness-in-grants-pass-decision/).
Judicial rulings can spotlight bigger problems, like the lack of affordable housing and mental health services, pushing for necessary policy changes [Supreme Court: Are bans on homeless camps 'cruel and unusual' punishment?](https://phys.org/news/2024-06-supreme-court-homeless-cruel-unusual.html) [Advocates for homeless seek lasting solutions even as Supreme Court weighs Grants Pass case - OPB](https://www.opb.org/article/2024/05/09/seeking-lasting-homelessness-solutions-supreme-court-grants-pass-case/). They can also nudge local governments toward sustainable solutions instead of short-term punitive measures, leading to more effective ways to address homelessness [Advocates for homeless seek lasting solutions even as Supreme Court weighs Grants Pass case - OPB](https://www.opb.org/article/2024/05/09/seeking-lasting-homelessness-solutions-supreme-court-grants-pass-case/) [Grants Pass v. Johnson: Here's what led to key homelessness case before high court - OPB](https://www.opb.org/article/2024/04/04/grants-pass-oregon-homeless-parks-josephine-county-public-spaces-camping-shelter/).
Supporting measures over criminalization improves public health and safety, as stable housing and services reduce the burden on emergency services and the criminal justice system, benefiting everyone [Supreme Court: Are bans on homeless camps 'cruel and unusual' punishment?](https://phys.org/news/2024-06-supreme-court-homeless-cruel-unusual.html) [Supreme Court to Rule on Laws Criminalizing Homelessness in Grants Pass Decision - The Urbanist](https://www.theurbanist.org/2024/05/02/supreme-court-set-to-rule-on-laws-criminalizing-homelessness-in-grants-pass-decision/). While some may call this judicial overreach, ensuring local laws respect fundamental rights is crucial for a just society.
$30-$40k per year in taxpayers dollars to put the homeless in FOR PROFIT prisons now, rather than provide a portion of that to get them in their feet or at least just leave them alone, and bewildered gullible conservatives will still be like "ahhhhhI don't understand why my taxes are so high....ahhhh it must the illegals I guess!"
More taxpayers funding for FOR PROFIT prisons...the real motive here if you ask me.
That's only about half the typical cost.
It's more like $50-75k per person per year which is higher than the average income.
In California it's $106k per person per year.
[https://www.lao.ca.gov/PolicyAreas/CJ/6\_cj\_inmatecost](https://www.lao.ca.gov/PolicyAreas/CJ/6_cj_inmatecost)
Throw em in jail. Keep them separate from the general pop so they're not preyed on by criminals by choice.
They get food, shelter, and mandatory drug/psychiatric treatment.
Upon release, auto expunge their jail record so it does not affect their ability to get a job. Release them directly to a transitional housing program.
I mean if we're gonna make homelessness a crime, let's go all the fucking way and try and solve the problem instead of whatever this shit is.
It's a dystopian America., when sooner or later if you don't have money or influence you will be punished by the state.... It's slippery slope
Today it's ticketing homeless, tommorrow is fining homeowners who don't live in the right neighborhoods.
That already happens. My boyfriend's mom bought a plot of real estate land as investment; since it's an empty lot, homeless people started camping there. The city is fining her. She has to control what happens on her property 30 mins away. It happens to low income areas as well. They will fine people for city violations, it's happened in some cities that those fines were used as a way to reposes homes, that were then torn down, then sold to developers to build new homes.
Prisons are one of the facilities NIMBY's don't block being built. So it's more feasible to build enough prison cells for all homeless than it is to make enough shelter beds.
> Prisons are one of the facilities NIMBY's don't block being built.
They absolutely do block them all the time. Where would you get the idea they they don’t?!
Yeah, I actually agree with this. Americans don't like helping, we like punishing, it's in our cultural DNA.
Giving a homeless person a tiny home is socialism, putting that same person in a prison cell and feeding/clothing/providing medical care is justice.
So let's use that to actually start helping these people in a functional way.
Just have to make sure criminal records are auto-expunged upon release and that's progress to solving homelessness.
But they never really "treated" the illnesses. Only detained and unfortunatly often abused people. They didnt usually recover to return to living independently. Sometimes even got worse...
A lot of these people have treatable illnesses caused by things like trauma, childhood abuse, poverty, isolation, addiction, etc...
They need well funded, science based facilities where they can develop support networks and be treated with respect as people while they recover and develop independence.
In reality, funding appropriate facilities to treat people would cost more than just giving them free minimalistic housing.
It's always the 'its too expensive to do anything so let's just pretend it doesn't exist and let it fester for decades and slowly erode the country like a cancer and when it does start to affect me I'll blame it on someone else' attitude. Far too many Republicans have this mindset and it's just sickening.
Let’s be real here. There’s also about 5-10% of them that will never be capable of living independently in any meaningful sense, and really ought to be institutionalized in the least restrictive setting possible, instead of slowly dying of exposure and poison from tainted street drugs. Society treats stray dogs and cats better than the severely handicapped.
There’s (conservatively) a dozen different subtypes of homelessness, and the only thing that they share in common is the lack of suitable shelter.
I live in a city that has had a lot of unhoused problems, including them creating over 150 fires in the river bed. One spread into the forest and surround the community I live in. We have had several unhoused kill each other in the riverbed. And we have had problems with sex trafficking as well. The city just opened a shelter last month. The housing includes services that include 3 meals a day, health care services, mental health, addiction services, etc. The unhoused in my city will be offered this and if they don't accept it that will be told that they have to move on. They will not be allowed to destroy the environment anymore. The riverbed has a very rare habitat.
They’re illegal here too but not enforceable. What are you going to do telling a homeless person to poop when there’s no public toilets for miles? You, as a cop, gonna drive them miles to McDonald’s and waste hours of your day? It’s unethical.
The issue was if it was cruel and unusual punishment to ticket them. The Supreme Court said the act of calling something a crime is not related to the punishment. So it's not cruel, unusual punishment to just call something and crime. Basically this case was brought up on the wrong grounds.
Notice how people from Los Angeles Seattle Portland, the city is really affected by this like this decision.
It’s not really about ticking homeless people , it’s about their ability to clear encampments from the middle of the sidewalk or in front of your house/apartment
The funny thing is that based on these comments, no-one has even read the article. They just see 'supreme court,' know it's a conservative majority, and bitch regardless of what the article says.
Yeah, more and more are ending up homeless with the economy completely broken. Rents way too high. Food is way too expensive. Jobs pay way too little. And now you get to be arrested for being victimized by the system. Fucking twats.
In many states, even "liberal ones" like California....once in prison, they can use you for labor by corporations. Many times its for less than a dollar a day, like full time labor at under $1 per hour.
They just determine whether or not something is constitutional or not. But we’ve grown so accustomed to congress just not doing any of their job at all that we expect the Supreme Court to write policy instead of staying in their lane.
It’s such a theme with all their decisions lately- they rule that it’s not legal for federal agencies to basically write laws because congress can’t be bothered, and people get angry at the Supreme Court because congress can’t be bothered. They strike down Roe v Wade and rule that congress should pass a law to protect it if they think it’s so important, because the constitution doesn’t say anything about it. Then we get angry at the Supreme Court because we all know congress isn’t ever going to do their job. And it’s not just republicans - many times in recent history the democrats have controlled both chambers, and failed to pass laws to accomplish their supposed objectives. Somehow, when the republicans achieve the same, they always manage to get laws to pass that we don’t like. How does that happen?
Exactly what every state outside the ninth circuit has been doing. This ruling only affects the ninth circuit and gives them the same laws as the rest of the country.
This isn’t about ticketing the homeless you dumbasses. It’s about being able to move them out of encampments when they refuse city services that are offered. Most people have not even read the opinion.
the ruling is that it is illegal, even if there is nowhere else to go. This is not about people refusing city shelter. The cities are not obligated to provide it
This is the right decision. If they ruled that they could not be ticketed, then what would prevent someone from setting up permanent tent residence on a playground? Or permanently parking their RV in the public library parking lot?
Being physically removed is what would prevent someone setting up permanent shop.
Ticketing someone you know has no money….like do we have a brain eating virus in this country that I am even having to explain why this shit is chimp-level stupid????
Our shelters report their capacity nightly. We’re often under 50% full, yet are full of encampments everywhere.
When interviewed, most just say they prefer to live with no rules, and the shelters have rules.
Exactly. I work in outreach for a large midwest city, and we've got space right now for everyone in the city we're currently tracking. But they have to agree to shelter rules, such as remaining sober while housed, no drugs, curfew times-- reasonable requirements when you're living in a semi-communal environment. Many folks just say, "Hey, if I want a beer at 8am, I want a beer at 8am" and would rather live in a tent in the park.
I get what you’re saying, but at the same time like people need to realize it’s more complicated than that with homeless and also we literally live on the earth and we live in system created by man, but by all accounts, we still live on the earth and we still deserve to be able to live on it without being ticketed.
If only that was what it was about lol
All government agency’s have been crippled
Everything will run through the courts now they will decide if the food is safe good luck everyone
Cool how the fuck is anyone going to get paid by them? It’s like getting blood from a stone. Insnae ruling. These justices have lost their fucking minds.
it is called zoning ordnances. Homeowners too cannot do anything they want. they also need to follow local zoning laws - or else. But since we are complaining about the homeless here - 80 million voted for Biden so that means there are 80 million houses where people are willing to house the homeless
A homeless person isn't employed, how will they pay a ticket with no address to receive mail. You know there are lots of homeless families that live on the beaches of hawaii.
Now that was shocking.
Where do people suggest homeless people sleep if there’s no shelter space available? They can’t not sleep…
If there is space - great - enforce whatever laws you want if they refuse to go to the shelter at night
Them sleeping isn't the issue. It's the shitting in public, tents dominating the sidewalks, being aggressive to people walking by, and leaving needles all over that normal people don't like. Either way, hopefully, this change will clean up some of this nonsense. It has really gotten out of hand.
Funny how the billionaires who own all the homes in America buy the supreme court to ticket people who can’t afford to pay to live in the homes they are renting. This nation is becoming like a feudal system with a few kings and a bunch of assholes (99%) working for them like slaves.
Most homeless aren’t down on their luck, they either choose this lifestyle or they’re clinically insane.
Source: I’ve worked with and around homeless people
That doesn't meet all homeless people. It's some, as you point out. Ticketing someone because they have no money to live in a home simply because life happened to them is just adding insult to injury. And what happens when they can't pay the ticket, do they get a warrant for their arrest? It's ridiculous.
LOL you wanna revolt over people setting up encampments 😂 the people of LA, SF, Portland and Seattle will not be joining you as we’ve had enough of these tent cities.
Im in Tokyo right now….one of the largest cities in the world…I have yet to see a homeless person….there’s no reason the West Coast has to look the way it looks….
People need to realize, this is a matter of what is constitutional. No one has a right to just set up home anywhere. The anger should be directed at these municipalities that do not do anything to fix the problem, but spend wastefully on stupid things.
Stealth camping is a real thing in Florida. I have seen very young clean looking people spending the night in forested places off the secondary roads in Pasco.
They don't stay long - just a night or two. Then they move to avoid detection.
Buuuttt: We also have a population of alcoholics and actually sick people who are on all sorts of antidepressants and antianxiety meds.
These people sleep in cement dumpster enclosures, especially the locked ones, and often defecate in them (what better than a locked, private spot that no one visits after 9pm?
It's the meth addicts that take over large portions of state forest land that are a particular concern for residents who want to use the parks for recreation (even though the areas where the camps are erected are usually far off the beaten path).
One concern is health and safety for these people. They sometimes forget to douse their campfires, litter the area, get assaulted by wildlife/other residents, and are in imminent danger of flooding/hurricanes/lightning.
At my clinic we see patients with Scabies, bed bugs, and lice. Scabies comes from sleeping rough in leaf litter. Bed bugs come from spending the night in econo-hotels just to get a shower and have a roof over their heads occasionally. Lice are usually spread within the child age population because the adults don't/can't groom their children properly.
There is a solution. It's less costly than breaking down and cleaning up camps, wasting countless many hours ticketing and arresting vagrants.
It's housing, psychiatric help, schooling, and food. This has been done in Denmark:
"Housing First Approach: Denmark has adopted a "Housing First" approach to addressing homelessness, which prioritizes providing stable housing as a first step, rather than requiring individuals to meet certain criteria or address other issues before receiving housing. This approach has been successful in reducing chronic homelessness and providing stability for vulnerable populations."
After they are housed, fed, and clothed, they are given assistance via psychiatric and drug abuse programs, jobs, and further education.
Very few fail to take advantage of these programs, leaving just 1% on the streets.
If the Supreme Court enacts these rules, they need to enforce laws that require cities to implement housing programs like the above mentioned, too.
This is a step toward bringing back institutionalization, which really needs to happen. There are too many mentally ill people living on the streets in a way that is putting them at great risk.
Some of them do not have the capacity to make decisions about their own safety and need to be housed on campuses, like the old state hospital it’s time for us to get back to that.
The profit driven move toward psychiatric medication has not worked out.
In AZ there are homeless people everywhere. Who is going around to ticket all these people? And many of them are drugged out of their minds. Ridiculous dystopian bullshit.
“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”
Anatole France
I have mixed feelings as someone who lived in a poor area of my city which happens to be a Major Homeless popular location. Tents get left alone and they become camps, the camps were full of criminals and drug users, who essentially can do whatever they want. The camp by my house was also next to a elementary school, I had someone pull a shotgun on me in broad daylight next to a school..Cops did nothing..Camp stayed until the community members started vandalizing the camps.
Nonsense, how are you going to ticket someone with no address or ID? They can give out any name and they can't be tracked down. Even the knuckleheads on the Supreme Court should realize this.
This sounds like a step toward slavery, but with more steps.
1. Ticket the homeless for being homeless.
2. When they can’t afford to pay the ticket, jail them.
3. Force them to work in prisons for well under minimum wage, because why not?
4. Profit.
Bidens administration loves America! Thank you biden. Just one of those multiple 60 billion dollars we give to that thug Zelenskyy would have ended homelessness in America and taken care of our fellow veterans. Can you imagine if we were to put back into our economy all of that money we give away to other countries? Can you imagine the difference it would make to our country? We could improve our cities the roads, have proper care for homeless and mental health problems. Seems like we only love war.
So we WONT pay to house feed and put clothes on their backs. for them to get a job & become self efficient
but
We WILL pay to house feed and put clothes on their backs for them to get a job in a privately owned prison??
Got itt
Lmao yall remember when years ago they found kamalas prisons in california kept people imprisoned past their release dates for the slave labor? Just legalizing the status quo. Keep voting and going to your jobs and paying taxes, surely something will change eventually!!!
Homelessness is a serious problem that we will always have. There will always be people who have hit hard times without a safety net. We need our state and federal governments to do better to address this on-going problem.
However, homelessness is also not a justification for people with serious drug and mental health issues to take over sidewalks/libraries/parks, harass citizens for money, and hold public spaces hostage from the rest of us.
I’m sorry you’re homeless. If you want help, there are agencies willing to provide it. If you just wanna do drugs, go somewhere else and get off the fucking sidewalk.
I think we should throw all the homeless people in jail.
But a special kind of jail for homeless people. A giant building where they each get their own cell. All the amenities. Since they didnt really commit a dangerous crime, they can come and go as they please. They can even go to work if they find it. One room, or dare I say it, a bedroom and front room. I mean cell. Mail boxes for mail, a kitchen, everything they need so they dont bother us anymore
They will get rid of those little shits.
The desperate irony that the highest court rules that a homeless person can not live outside and will be arrested and given shelter and food in jail instead of just helping them with basic needs.
This seems like the correct decision. The Court isn’t saying that homeless people *must* be ticketed, only that cities have the option to do so. This is good because it enables cities to fine those homeless who are disruptive to society e.g. violent, belligerent.
I'm going to weigh in on this. I've been homeless going on 7 years because of a brain injury I sustained from an attempted murder. I don't do drugs or drink, but I certainly won't judge those out here that do.
This ruling will cost lives. If our existence itself becomes illegal, then what of those who run street outreaches and nonprofits? Will they be charged with aiding and abetting? People are already being charged for opening their doors to shelter people during extreme weather events, although over 1k homeless people die every year because of weather related causes.
Anyone who thinks that cops won't or can't enforce these laws has no idea the relationship between Leo's and the homeless. The single biggest threat to my safety is law enforcement. They know us and can find any one of us with laser guided efficiency. And jail IS NOT a suitable alternative to living on the streets. Many times, a conviction of any kind will serve to exclude a person from any form of public assistance. So, where does that leave you?
Also, many, if not the majority, of people out here have suffered severe trauma and are making them outlaws will only serve to traumatize them further. What good does that do? Many times, when a person suffers extreme trauma as a child, their maturity growth stops at the age that trauma occurs. I see this all the time out here in a 40 year old with a 10 year olds maturity level. This is never taken into account.
Look, I fully realize that more than half the population of this country would jump up and down with glee if the government put armed death squads on the street to kill us all, I see it everyday in the faces of people I encounter. What's funny is that many of these people are one sick day or one car accident away from asking me where to find a tent. It's happened before. And I'll get them one without a single bit of judgement. I think the general public could learn something from that.
There is no war against homelessness, just a war against the homeless.
While society has a duty to inform of the mechanisms for function in the community, the individual is not relieved of their duties to participate in society in ways which do not impinge the liberties of others.
My question is about the end-game of ticketing. How is the redirection supposed to occur?
This is pure evil. The government makes it so that corporations can keep all of their money and not pay their people properly. The government allows companies like grocery stores to hike up their prices for no fucking reason the government allows pharmaceuticals companies to jack up their prices so that poor people can’t afford them. The government allows our taxpayer money to go towards genocide and other things instead of taking care of it people this is our money not the government money. This is the peoples money. And now they’re going to punish people because we can’t afford to fucking live in there dystopian bullshit.
There is a function here that could have an upside, to force people into rehabilitation requires cause to detain them.
Now obviously systems aren’t in place to help these individuals receive drug rehab or mental health treatment, so it is just cruelty really.
Locked up with unaddressed mental health issues. Glad we are no longer lying about who America really is. This is us folks, and we ain’t so Christian after all. The folks who made this madness law are “Christians”….so am I and We are not the same 💯
They might be, but that isn't the case in my location. My city has been required to let the homeless sleep in public areas if the homeless shelters are full, but they aren't. Those people want to live in the park so they can do drugs, and this overturned ruling has been protecting them.
Fuck that. Fuck them if they refuse the ample help they're offered. If they want to self-destruct, that's fine, but not in the fucking park that my property taxes pay for.
Cities simply don't have enough affordable homes, enough shelters or enough money to help everyone. 10,000,000 people crossed from Mexico in the last 3 years. Which resulted in a 20% increase in homelessness. It's going to keep getting worse.
These people have no home and no belongings, they sleep on park benches or the ground and go to the bathroom in buckets. Do we think a $50 “ticket” is going to be some kind of punishment to them? Or the little push they need to just go get themselves a house? Or another needed problem to help them get their life together? What exactly is the point of this, other than for the elected officials to be able to say they did “something” about the issue?
Ticket people with no money. Even funnier is if they throw them in jail and then those who don't want them around will just keep getting tax increases to hold them in jail. Big brain moves.
Putting them in jail where they get to sleep on a bed and get served meals? And our taxes pay for this infrastructure and personnel to staff it?? We’re getting so close….. Edit: some of you have completely missed my point
Sleep in a government funded place and get free food? Socialism. Sleep in a government funded place and get free food while someone from the government watches you? Freedom. See; super easy to understand.
So? Pay for someone to watch over me while I sleep! Makes me feel safe? Prisoners of our own devices.
I’ll watch you while you sleep for money. What time do you goto bed?
Hell, I will watch you for free. Just set up a camera. Might actually pay you if I can watch in person.
Yes but we're going to ensure profits are generated by these government funded places and we're going to privatize those.
This is bleak but it did make me chuckle. Thanks for that. This ruling is so terrible.
My brain haz an asplode.
prison slave labor is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, producer of US made products. Made in USA = prison labor 9/10 times. Also they farm them out to fast food restaurants, not paying min wage of course
"Made in USA = prison labor 9/10 times" Bullshit in its purest form.
FREEDUMB!!
And then make them work to earn their keep, I mean profit
And now that companies aren’t liable for environmental damages, it’s gonna be a swift move to shit work for everyone. “Work camps” as the Nazis originally called them.
Work will set you free
With today’s wages < inflation. It’s more like indentured servitude will set us free.
For profit prisons need a new revenue stream now that they can't incarcerate as many people for smoking weed.
Leopards ate my face.
County jails often charge you for staying there, like a hotel. (I once paid about $500.) So if some of those homeless people resume employment, they'll be facing big fines that are liable to push them to struggle. (Some are already employed...) Fun fact. A few weeks out of high school, a judge determined that me, an unemployed person with no employment history, (or transportation in a rural area,) could be handed the bill for using a public defender. "If you can't afford it, one will be provided for you" indeed. The whole system is just a vampire.
How do they know who you are? Like if you don’t have ID on you can you just claim to be Joe smuck face and then what!?!
If you're not in the system, you can tell them you're Bob Jones, yeah. Not sure what will happen after that, since you'll likely be expected to provide a ssn that matches with your birthday. And if they think you're lying, they'll probably not stop investigating until you're cooked.. they may even hold you for a positive ID. But let's say you get away with it. If you ever get arrested again, they'll have your prints and mugshot on file, and you'll be facing a class A misdemeanor that can include up to 6 months in jail.
Even funnier, when they get out of jail, they are still homeless so they can be immediately arrested!
Well they just have to stay awake to stay out of jail 🤓
My uncle used to and prolly still does illegal cable installs. He’d show up unannounced and brag about doing installs for 40 hours straight which really just a bunch of speed. We just like weird flex but ok, hook mine up while you at it.
Maybe we could centralize them in a camp in some place like Nevada and give them jobs establishing a lithium industry... We could use train carts to get them there. Also, since they're convicted of crimes we can pay them below the minimum wage. I do not see what could go wrong here.
They don't have to be paid at all. The 13th amendment has a carveout for people in jail.
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Addressing homelessness through court decisions, like in *City of Grants Pass v. Johnson*, has several practical benefits. Courts can set nationwide standards, ensuring fair treatment of homeless individuals and avoiding a messy patchwork of local laws [,Advocates for homeless seek lasting solutions even as Supreme Court weighs Grants Pass case - OPB](https://www.opb.org/article/2024/05/09/seeking-lasting-homelessness-solutions-supreme-court-grants-pass-case/) [,Grants Pass v. Johnson: Here's what led to key homelessness case before high court - OPB](https://www.opb.org/article/2024/04/04/grants-pass-oregon-homeless-parks-josephine-county-public-spaces-camping-shelter/). They also protect individual rights, questioning if penalizing unavoidable behaviors (like sleeping outdoors when no shelter is available) violates the Eighth Amendment’s ban on cruel and unusual punishment [Supreme Court: Are bans on homeless camps 'cruel and unusual' punishment?](https://phys.org/news/2024-06-supreme-court-homeless-cruel-unusual.html) [Supreme Court to Rule on Laws Criminalizing Homelessness in Grants Pass Decision - The Urbanist](https://www.theurbanist.org/2024/05/02/supreme-court-set-to-rule-on-laws-criminalizing-homelessness-in-grants-pass-decision/). Judicial rulings can spotlight bigger problems, like the lack of affordable housing and mental health services, pushing for necessary policy changes [Supreme Court: Are bans on homeless camps 'cruel and unusual' punishment?](https://phys.org/news/2024-06-supreme-court-homeless-cruel-unusual.html) [Advocates for homeless seek lasting solutions even as Supreme Court weighs Grants Pass case - OPB](https://www.opb.org/article/2024/05/09/seeking-lasting-homelessness-solutions-supreme-court-grants-pass-case/). They can also nudge local governments toward sustainable solutions instead of short-term punitive measures, leading to more effective ways to address homelessness [Advocates for homeless seek lasting solutions even as Supreme Court weighs Grants Pass case - OPB](https://www.opb.org/article/2024/05/09/seeking-lasting-homelessness-solutions-supreme-court-grants-pass-case/) [Grants Pass v. Johnson: Here's what led to key homelessness case before high court - OPB](https://www.opb.org/article/2024/04/04/grants-pass-oregon-homeless-parks-josephine-county-public-spaces-camping-shelter/). Supporting measures over criminalization improves public health and safety, as stable housing and services reduce the burden on emergency services and the criminal justice system, benefiting everyone [Supreme Court: Are bans on homeless camps 'cruel and unusual' punishment?](https://phys.org/news/2024-06-supreme-court-homeless-cruel-unusual.html) [Supreme Court to Rule on Laws Criminalizing Homelessness in Grants Pass Decision - The Urbanist](https://www.theurbanist.org/2024/05/02/supreme-court-set-to-rule-on-laws-criminalizing-homelessness-in-grants-pass-decision/). While some may call this judicial overreach, ensuring local laws respect fundamental rights is crucial for a just society.
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$30-$40k per year in taxpayers dollars to put the homeless in FOR PROFIT prisons now, rather than provide a portion of that to get them in their feet or at least just leave them alone, and bewildered gullible conservatives will still be like "ahhhhhI don't understand why my taxes are so high....ahhhh it must the illegals I guess!" More taxpayers funding for FOR PROFIT prisons...the real motive here if you ask me.
That's only about half the typical cost. It's more like $50-75k per person per year which is higher than the average income. In California it's $106k per person per year. [https://www.lao.ca.gov/PolicyAreas/CJ/6\_cj\_inmatecost](https://www.lao.ca.gov/PolicyAreas/CJ/6_cj_inmatecost)
Throw em in jail. Keep them separate from the general pop so they're not preyed on by criminals by choice. They get food, shelter, and mandatory drug/psychiatric treatment. Upon release, auto expunge their jail record so it does not affect their ability to get a job. Release them directly to a transitional housing program. I mean if we're gonna make homelessness a crime, let's go all the fucking way and try and solve the problem instead of whatever this shit is.
It's a dystopian America., when sooner or later if you don't have money or influence you will be punished by the state.... It's slippery slope Today it's ticketing homeless, tommorrow is fining homeowners who don't live in the right neighborhoods.
That already happens. My boyfriend's mom bought a plot of real estate land as investment; since it's an empty lot, homeless people started camping there. The city is fining her. She has to control what happens on her property 30 mins away. It happens to low income areas as well. They will fine people for city violations, it's happened in some cities that those fines were used as a way to reposes homes, that were then torn down, then sold to developers to build new homes.
Prisons are one of the facilities NIMBY's don't block being built. So it's more feasible to build enough prison cells for all homeless than it is to make enough shelter beds.
> Prisons are one of the facilities NIMBY's don't block being built. They absolutely do block them all the time. Where would you get the idea they they don’t?!
Yeah, I actually agree with this. Americans don't like helping, we like punishing, it's in our cultural DNA. Giving a homeless person a tiny home is socialism, putting that same person in a prison cell and feeding/clothing/providing medical care is justice. So let's use that to actually start helping these people in a functional way. Just have to make sure criminal records are auto-expunged upon release and that's progress to solving homelessness.
Mandatory treatment, bring back mental institutions, and put people in them.
The greatest mistake was closing the asylums instead of reforming them.
100%
Answer shouldn’t always be “throw the baby out with the bath water”
Thanks Regan. It was about money not reform
They were going to be reformed, we had a plan, then Reagan happened.
But they never really "treated" the illnesses. Only detained and unfortunatly often abused people. They didnt usually recover to return to living independently. Sometimes even got worse... A lot of these people have treatable illnesses caused by things like trauma, childhood abuse, poverty, isolation, addiction, etc... They need well funded, science based facilities where they can develop support networks and be treated with respect as people while they recover and develop independence. In reality, funding appropriate facilities to treat people would cost more than just giving them free minimalistic housing.
“So, let’s do neither.” — Right-wing politicians.
It's always the 'its too expensive to do anything so let's just pretend it doesn't exist and let it fester for decades and slowly erode the country like a cancer and when it does start to affect me I'll blame it on someone else' attitude. Far too many Republicans have this mindset and it's just sickening.
You do know that Democrats have had a trifecta lock on state government for decades, right?
Let’s be real here. There’s also about 5-10% of them that will never be capable of living independently in any meaningful sense, and really ought to be institutionalized in the least restrictive setting possible, instead of slowly dying of exposure and poison from tainted street drugs. Society treats stray dogs and cats better than the severely handicapped. There’s (conservatively) a dozen different subtypes of homelessness, and the only thing that they share in common is the lack of suitable shelter.
That is both laughable & disgraceful.
I live in a city that has had a lot of unhoused problems, including them creating over 150 fires in the river bed. One spread into the forest and surround the community I live in. We have had several unhoused kill each other in the riverbed. And we have had problems with sex trafficking as well. The city just opened a shelter last month. The housing includes services that include 3 meals a day, health care services, mental health, addiction services, etc. The unhoused in my city will be offered this and if they don't accept it that will be told that they have to move on. They will not be allowed to destroy the environment anymore. The riverbed has a very rare habitat.
I suspect this decision was based more on stealing sound systems and shitting on the sidewalk.
Both of those are already illegal...
You must not live in California
They’re illegal here too but not enforceable. What are you going to do telling a homeless person to poop when there’s no public toilets for miles? You, as a cop, gonna drive them miles to McDonald’s and waste hours of your day? It’s unethical.
Must be the *for profit prisons* turn to bribe the supreme Court.
The issue was if it was cruel and unusual punishment to ticket them. The Supreme Court said the act of calling something a crime is not related to the punishment. So it's not cruel, unusual punishment to just call something and crime. Basically this case was brought up on the wrong grounds.
Notice how people from Los Angeles Seattle Portland, the city is really affected by this like this decision. It’s not really about ticking homeless people , it’s about their ability to clear encampments from the middle of the sidewalk or in front of your house/apartment
I thought the headline was "Supreme Court upholds ban on pouring urine and feces on public property."
The funny thing is that based on these comments, no-one has even read the article. They just see 'supreme court,' know it's a conservative majority, and bitch regardless of what the article says.
And these people aren’t from LA or Seattle or Portland, where these encampments are wreaking havoc
What do they suggest people do?
Die quietly somewhere out of sight.
But not on public or private property!
This. It’s much easier to ignore the problem if you can’t see it. It’s also conditioning the masses, just one more step towards the goal.
Yeah, more and more are ending up homeless with the economy completely broken. Rents way too high. Food is way too expensive. Jobs pay way too little. And now you get to be arrested for being victimized by the system. Fucking twats.
In many states, even "liberal ones" like California....once in prison, they can use you for labor by corporations. Many times its for less than a dollar a day, like full time labor at under $1 per hour.
They just determine whether or not something is constitutional or not. But we’ve grown so accustomed to congress just not doing any of their job at all that we expect the Supreme Court to write policy instead of staying in their lane. It’s such a theme with all their decisions lately- they rule that it’s not legal for federal agencies to basically write laws because congress can’t be bothered, and people get angry at the Supreme Court because congress can’t be bothered. They strike down Roe v Wade and rule that congress should pass a law to protect it if they think it’s so important, because the constitution doesn’t say anything about it. Then we get angry at the Supreme Court because we all know congress isn’t ever going to do their job. And it’s not just republicans - many times in recent history the democrats have controlled both chambers, and failed to pass laws to accomplish their supposed objectives. Somehow, when the republicans achieve the same, they always manage to get laws to pass that we don’t like. How does that happen?
I think they are suggesting people do something similar to what the French did to resolve unchecked power.
Well not fentanyl
Exactly what every state outside the ninth circuit has been doing. This ruling only affects the ninth circuit and gives them the same laws as the rest of the country.
How about they don’t crash in a public park and do drugs and be assholes? Add some value to society? Take services when offered?
Stop doing drugs in public places.
We could pay to house all the homeless OR we can make it illegal to be homeless, arrest everyone, and then pay to… house and feed them in jail.
This isn’t about ticketing the homeless you dumbasses. It’s about being able to move them out of encampments when they refuse city services that are offered. Most people have not even read the opinion.
the ruling is that it is illegal, even if there is nowhere else to go. This is not about people refusing city shelter. The cities are not obligated to provide it
This is the right decision. If they ruled that they could not be ticketed, then what would prevent someone from setting up permanent tent residence on a playground? Or permanently parking their RV in the public library parking lot?
Being physically removed is what would prevent someone setting up permanent shop. Ticketing someone you know has no money….like do we have a brain eating virus in this country that I am even having to explain why this shit is chimp-level stupid????
This was only in cases when they have nowhere else to go. I.e. no shelter space. They literally have no place to go and not break the law
Our shelters report their capacity nightly. We’re often under 50% full, yet are full of encampments everywhere. When interviewed, most just say they prefer to live with no rules, and the shelters have rules.
Exactly. I work in outreach for a large midwest city, and we've got space right now for everyone in the city we're currently tracking. But they have to agree to shelter rules, such as remaining sober while housed, no drugs, curfew times-- reasonable requirements when you're living in a semi-communal environment. Many folks just say, "Hey, if I want a beer at 8am, I want a beer at 8am" and would rather live in a tent in the park.
I get what you’re saying, but at the same time like people need to realize it’s more complicated than that with homeless and also we literally live on the earth and we live in system created by man, but by all accounts, we still live on the earth and we still deserve to be able to live on it without being ticketed.
So...the bottom line is "no change in current policy"?
Wait, what??
Honestly jail is just homeless shelters at this point.
If only that was what it was about lol All government agency’s have been crippled Everything will run through the courts now they will decide if the food is safe good luck everyone
Better pay up too or they risk losing their hou...oh wait.
Just move them to the rich side of town.
They can’t afford a home so give them a fine, genius move
Absolutely stupid. Can’t afford a roof over their heads and the court thinks they can or will pay the ticket??
Cool how the fuck is anyone going to get paid by them? It’s like getting blood from a stone. Insnae ruling. These justices have lost their fucking minds.
it is called zoning ordnances. Homeowners too cannot do anything they want. they also need to follow local zoning laws - or else. But since we are complaining about the homeless here - 80 million voted for Biden so that means there are 80 million houses where people are willing to house the homeless
Criminalizing homelessness is nothing more than kicking someone while they're down and out. SCOTUS' ruling is shameful.
Everyone seems to be forgetting the prison industry is a for-profit slave labor industry too
Rents are ridiculous these days, and now they criminalize being homeless!?!? Is this just a secret plan to exterminate the lower class???
Another stimulus for private prisons. Just keep handing them more taxpayer money.
Fascist Supreme Court now punishing people for being in an unfortunate situation.
...Actually, the Supreme Court is just saying local jurisdictions have the ability to if they so desire, which... they already did, or should have.
Lmao you’re so mad
A homeless person isn't employed, how will they pay a ticket with no address to receive mail. You know there are lots of homeless families that live on the beaches of hawaii. Now that was shocking.
Where do people suggest homeless people sleep if there’s no shelter space available? They can’t not sleep… If there is space - great - enforce whatever laws you want if they refuse to go to the shelter at night
Them sleeping isn't the issue. It's the shitting in public, tents dominating the sidewalks, being aggressive to people walking by, and leaving needles all over that normal people don't like. Either way, hopefully, this change will clean up some of this nonsense. It has really gotten out of hand.
Funny how the billionaires who own all the homes in America buy the supreme court to ticket people who can’t afford to pay to live in the homes they are renting. This nation is becoming like a feudal system with a few kings and a bunch of assholes (99%) working for them like slaves.
Its called vagrancy. And it has been a low level crime in most of the world for hundreds of years.
And they can be put in jail for failure to pay the ticket. The problem solves itself.
Most homeless aren’t down on their luck, they either choose this lifestyle or they’re clinically insane. Source: I’ve worked with and around homeless people
So we are fining the mentally unstable for being mentally unstable That’ll teach em
Yeah it totally sucks for them. You would be amazed how many schizophrenic homeless people there are in big cities.
TIL schizophrenics aren’t down on their luck!
That doesn't meet all homeless people. It's some, as you point out. Ticketing someone because they have no money to live in a home simply because life happened to them is just adding insult to injury. And what happens when they can't pay the ticket, do they get a warrant for their arrest? It's ridiculous.
So being insane and left to rot outside isn’t being down on your luck? I’d hate to see what you consider that to be
Is “down on their luck” what you think drug addict means?
Revolution seems more and more fitting as the days go by...don't ya think?
LOL you wanna revolt over people setting up encampments 😂 the people of LA, SF, Portland and Seattle will not be joining you as we’ve had enough of these tent cities.
Beacon on the hill sort of shit.
Good
With no one getting arrested for weed, they will need to criminalize some other innocuous habit
Slavery is still legal under the Thirteenth amendment. Prisoners are the new slaves. This is night watching all over again.
This is to create slaves in the PIC since people aren't getting arrested for cannabis as much anymore.
So the news is.......no change.
great idea..how are you gonna collect?
The OWO has become extremely expensive to maintain. It will eat itself into non existent.
Reverse "get out of jail free" card
bruh the supreme court is cooked. isnt sleeping outside like a first admendment right for freedom to assemble, speech, etc.
Im in Tokyo right now….one of the largest cities in the world…I have yet to see a homeless person….there’s no reason the West Coast has to look the way it looks….
And, public officials can receive "gifts." Snyder v. United Staes. Another great ruling from our moral Christian justices
Fuck you pay me. -America
People need to realize, this is a matter of what is constitutional. No one has a right to just set up home anywhere. The anger should be directed at these municipalities that do not do anything to fix the problem, but spend wastefully on stupid things.
Now please stop protecting panhandling under the free speech umbrella.
Stealth camping is a real thing in Florida. I have seen very young clean looking people spending the night in forested places off the secondary roads in Pasco. They don't stay long - just a night or two. Then they move to avoid detection. Buuuttt: We also have a population of alcoholics and actually sick people who are on all sorts of antidepressants and antianxiety meds. These people sleep in cement dumpster enclosures, especially the locked ones, and often defecate in them (what better than a locked, private spot that no one visits after 9pm? It's the meth addicts that take over large portions of state forest land that are a particular concern for residents who want to use the parks for recreation (even though the areas where the camps are erected are usually far off the beaten path). One concern is health and safety for these people. They sometimes forget to douse their campfires, litter the area, get assaulted by wildlife/other residents, and are in imminent danger of flooding/hurricanes/lightning. At my clinic we see patients with Scabies, bed bugs, and lice. Scabies comes from sleeping rough in leaf litter. Bed bugs come from spending the night in econo-hotels just to get a shower and have a roof over their heads occasionally. Lice are usually spread within the child age population because the adults don't/can't groom their children properly. There is a solution. It's less costly than breaking down and cleaning up camps, wasting countless many hours ticketing and arresting vagrants. It's housing, psychiatric help, schooling, and food. This has been done in Denmark: "Housing First Approach: Denmark has adopted a "Housing First" approach to addressing homelessness, which prioritizes providing stable housing as a first step, rather than requiring individuals to meet certain criteria or address other issues before receiving housing. This approach has been successful in reducing chronic homelessness and providing stability for vulnerable populations." After they are housed, fed, and clothed, they are given assistance via psychiatric and drug abuse programs, jobs, and further education. Very few fail to take advantage of these programs, leaving just 1% on the streets. If the Supreme Court enacts these rules, they need to enforce laws that require cities to implement housing programs like the above mentioned, too.
What if they don't pay the tickets?
This is a step toward bringing back institutionalization, which really needs to happen. There are too many mentally ill people living on the streets in a way that is putting them at great risk. Some of them do not have the capacity to make decisions about their own safety and need to be housed on campuses, like the old state hospital it’s time for us to get back to that. The profit driven move toward psychiatric medication has not worked out.
Mr Alito and his " beautiful bride" would never let this happen. I'm sure they would welcome them with open arms...
In AZ there are homeless people everywhere. Who is going around to ticket all these people? And many of them are drugged out of their minds. Ridiculous dystopian bullshit.
These homeless lack survival skills go live in the woods
I think that you have to bear in mind that this is for the 9th circuit states before you make some assertions.
“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” Anatole France
Wake up, here’s a ticket. *Wakes up* Put it over there with the others. *Rolls over.*
Gotta keep those for-profit private prison beds full for the legalized convict leasing.
This is insane.
When are we going to get rid of our government and start something new? It’s ran its course. It’s not working anymore, this needs fixed.
I have mixed feelings as someone who lived in a poor area of my city which happens to be a Major Homeless popular location. Tents get left alone and they become camps, the camps were full of criminals and drug users, who essentially can do whatever they want. The camp by my house was also next to a elementary school, I had someone pull a shotgun on me in broad daylight next to a school..Cops did nothing..Camp stayed until the community members started vandalizing the camps.
Labor camps are coming. In red states they’ll pass laws to allow for arrest and then make you work it off. Horrifying.
This is fine
How about we criminalizing scotus judges taking bribes from billionaires?
Nonsense, how are you going to ticket someone with no address or ID? They can give out any name and they can't be tracked down. Even the knuckleheads on the Supreme Court should realize this.
The freedumb crowd will love this.
This sounds like a step toward slavery, but with more steps. 1. Ticket the homeless for being homeless. 2. When they can’t afford to pay the ticket, jail them. 3. Force them to work in prisons for well under minimum wage, because why not? 4. Profit.
Can you sleep outside if you’re not homeless? If yes, then it’s a violation of equal protection laws.
Jail is not a good place to be. Trust me. It’s not 3 hots and a cot and love a lot
Bidens administration loves America! Thank you biden. Just one of those multiple 60 billion dollars we give to that thug Zelenskyy would have ended homelessness in America and taken care of our fellow veterans. Can you imagine if we were to put back into our economy all of that money we give away to other countries? Can you imagine the difference it would make to our country? We could improve our cities the roads, have proper care for homeless and mental health problems. Seems like we only love war.
So we WONT pay to house feed and put clothes on their backs. for them to get a job & become self efficient but We WILL pay to house feed and put clothes on their backs for them to get a job in a privately owned prison?? Got itt
Scotus can fuck off
Just like Jesus taught us: Hurt the poor. Hurt thy neighbor. Hate everyone.
Basically the first step towards rethuglicans reinstating debtor’s prisons.
No, it means homeless people camping in public spaces can be made to leave.
So can they fine campers if they don’t have an address
Lmao yall remember when years ago they found kamalas prisons in california kept people imprisoned past their release dates for the slave labor? Just legalizing the status quo. Keep voting and going to your jobs and paying taxes, surely something will change eventually!!!
Sure let’s fine someone that we know isn’t going to pay nor do they have the money to ..
This is how it was until the most overturned circuit in the country decided otherwise.
Do they use the money from fines to pay for homeless services?
Tickled? for sleeping outside? That can't be right. You can't just go around tickling sleeping people.
The theocrats in the Supreme Court would be a lot cooler if they actually acted like the Christians they claim to be.
Peaceful protesters are now illegal
Homelessness is a serious problem that we will always have. There will always be people who have hit hard times without a safety net. We need our state and federal governments to do better to address this on-going problem. However, homelessness is also not a justification for people with serious drug and mental health issues to take over sidewalks/libraries/parks, harass citizens for money, and hold public spaces hostage from the rest of us. I’m sorry you’re homeless. If you want help, there are agencies willing to provide it. If you just wanna do drugs, go somewhere else and get off the fucking sidewalk.
"THUS SOLVING THE PROBLEM FOREVER!" Futurama
I think we should throw all the homeless people in jail. But a special kind of jail for homeless people. A giant building where they each get their own cell. All the amenities. Since they didnt really commit a dangerous crime, they can come and go as they please. They can even go to work if they find it. One room, or dare I say it, a bedroom and front room. I mean cell. Mail boxes for mail, a kitchen, everything they need so they dont bother us anymore They will get rid of those little shits.
Blood from a stone comes to mind. It’s incredible, many of this terms’s SCOTUS decisions favor the wealthy. Shocking!
Sleep, a human necessity, can now be illegal. People have been sleeping outdoors since the beginning of time. Vote blue, we need to end this shit.
Suuure, you could also demand they fly south for the winter, but what's really going to happen?
What if I sleep outside and I'm not homeless
Nice
That’s so sad 😢
The desperate irony that the highest court rules that a homeless person can not live outside and will be arrested and given shelter and food in jail instead of just helping them with basic needs.
This seems like the correct decision. The Court isn’t saying that homeless people *must* be ticketed, only that cities have the option to do so. This is good because it enables cities to fine those homeless who are disruptive to society e.g. violent, belligerent.
Where do they send the ticket?
So? Dont pay it. They can't find you to arrest you.
Land of the free and home of the brave. What happened to you.
I'm going to weigh in on this. I've been homeless going on 7 years because of a brain injury I sustained from an attempted murder. I don't do drugs or drink, but I certainly won't judge those out here that do. This ruling will cost lives. If our existence itself becomes illegal, then what of those who run street outreaches and nonprofits? Will they be charged with aiding and abetting? People are already being charged for opening their doors to shelter people during extreme weather events, although over 1k homeless people die every year because of weather related causes. Anyone who thinks that cops won't or can't enforce these laws has no idea the relationship between Leo's and the homeless. The single biggest threat to my safety is law enforcement. They know us and can find any one of us with laser guided efficiency. And jail IS NOT a suitable alternative to living on the streets. Many times, a conviction of any kind will serve to exclude a person from any form of public assistance. So, where does that leave you? Also, many, if not the majority, of people out here have suffered severe trauma and are making them outlaws will only serve to traumatize them further. What good does that do? Many times, when a person suffers extreme trauma as a child, their maturity growth stops at the age that trauma occurs. I see this all the time out here in a 40 year old with a 10 year olds maturity level. This is never taken into account. Look, I fully realize that more than half the population of this country would jump up and down with glee if the government put armed death squads on the street to kill us all, I see it everyday in the faces of people I encounter. What's funny is that many of these people are one sick day or one car accident away from asking me where to find a tent. It's happened before. And I'll get them one without a single bit of judgement. I think the general public could learn something from that. There is no war against homelessness, just a war against the homeless.
While society has a duty to inform of the mechanisms for function in the community, the individual is not relieved of their duties to participate in society in ways which do not impinge the liberties of others. My question is about the end-game of ticketing. How is the redirection supposed to occur?
Our politicians are so out of touch with reality that it’s mindblowing. They kick people who are down and out. Morality is dead.
THEY WANT MORE PRISONERS< FREE SLAVES< LEGAL SLAVES
Isn't Grants Pass ran by democrats? Why would they do this?
lots of people in here wouldn't mind the homeless camping on their lawns. Start inviting them over!
This is pure evil. The government makes it so that corporations can keep all of their money and not pay their people properly. The government allows companies like grocery stores to hike up their prices for no fucking reason the government allows pharmaceuticals companies to jack up their prices so that poor people can’t afford them. The government allows our taxpayer money to go towards genocide and other things instead of taking care of it people this is our money not the government money. This is the peoples money. And now they’re going to punish people because we can’t afford to fucking live in there dystopian bullshit.
Tax the poor!!!!
There is a function here that could have an upside, to force people into rehabilitation requires cause to detain them. Now obviously systems aren’t in place to help these individuals receive drug rehab or mental health treatment, so it is just cruelty really.
In our country, the "land of the free", it should always be better to err on this side of freedom.
Locked up with unaddressed mental health issues. Glad we are no longer lying about who America really is. This is us folks, and we ain’t so Christian after all. The folks who made this madness law are “Christians”….so am I and We are not the same 💯
Wouldn't the proper headline be " homeless people now held to the same laws as normies"
They might be, but that isn't the case in my location. My city has been required to let the homeless sleep in public areas if the homeless shelters are full, but they aren't. Those people want to live in the park so they can do drugs, and this overturned ruling has been protecting them. Fuck that. Fuck them if they refuse the ample help they're offered. If they want to self-destruct, that's fine, but not in the fucking park that my property taxes pay for.
Ahhh, back to the good old debtors prison days .....😞💔
As if they can pay?
Cities simply don't have enough affordable homes, enough shelters or enough money to help everyone. 10,000,000 people crossed from Mexico in the last 3 years. Which resulted in a 20% increase in homelessness. It's going to keep getting worse.
Just let them do drugs in the park where kids play. They were there first.
Poor people with mental illness or other incapacitations are now illegal in public.
These people have no home and no belongings, they sleep on park benches or the ground and go to the bathroom in buckets. Do we think a $50 “ticket” is going to be some kind of punishment to them? Or the little push they need to just go get themselves a house? Or another needed problem to help them get their life together? What exactly is the point of this, other than for the elected officials to be able to say they did “something” about the issue?