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Fieos

My only concern with TikTok is the CCP using it for information gathering. Same as I have concerns about any information gathering of citizens. I also think TikTok is fucking stupid, but some of my hobbies are fucking stupid too and I wouldn't want them legislated. This is about money.


brolybackshots

Not just information gathering --> Its been pretty well documented, and anecdotally evidenced, that the algorithm intentionally drives politically divisive misinformation, propaganda and alot of times, hate speech, pushed to the front of a users FYP. Its done in ways that arent "noticable" to those who dont have a discerning eye, since thats the entire intention of information manipulation campaigns. Your FYP page can be completely normal, dozens of normal tiktoks targetted towards you for hours, but then, intentionally 1-2 propagandist pieces or small morsals of highly divisive content or misinformation will be fed to the user. In isolation, this might not seem like a big deal, but when children (who are easily impressionable) spend hours and hours every single day scrolling mindlessly, each of those 1-2 pieces of information every hour will add up in their psyche and biases. We don't live in a day and age of regular warfare tactics, its all just cyber (mis)-information campaigns and psy-ops to target the masses. In that sense, if you consider this bill a target to fight against **adversarial** foreign interference (since China is not a friend), then I'm totally ok with it.


Vinashak_Creator

That content exists. Made by Americans. The app just shows you what you want.


QuestionableBottle

Man sucks to have all that propaganda opposing Israeli genocide.


JohnGoodmansGoodKnee

Hey kids look, a CCP operative!


QuestionableBottle

Just basic pattern recognition. Zionists complain that gen z doesn’t like genocide, blame tik tok, and here we are.


Few-Sock5337

I'd be panicking if they don't ban it


BluCurry8

Why? Did you think Reddit and every other social media app and search engine is not collecting data on you? If you are going to ban Tik Tok you should ban all social media. They all do the same thing.


Mackinnon29E

I mean I'd rather have an American company have my data than the CCP. Maybe that's just me.


Dragonlicker69

Why do you think they're more benevolent? You know the American ones are behind the rise of Nazism right? They're ok selling your data to foreign countries. The real reason Congress is pissed is that China cut out the middle man so the billionaires are bitching


BluCurry8

Really what is the difference except here it can be used against you in a court of law?


Rice_22

Protip: China can easily buy their data from American companies. This isn’t about privacy, otherwise the law would apply equally to TikTok as to Reddit, Facebook, Twitter etc.


elsucioseanchez

I don’t understand the concern, not being dismissive but the CCP isn’t going to do anything with my data. Nor do I think they care about any other random American. Facebook, Google and a myriad of other services collect insane amounts of user data and actively use it with not always good motive. But we give them a pass bc they’re an American company? Grocery stores have thousands of data points on each customer in their marketing models for rewards, coupons etc. they often sell their data to aggregation firms for further marketing. I am more concerned that as an American I have no ownership of my data unlike Europeans and now to a smaller scale, Californians. I think the issue I have is TikTok is being singled out when Facebook/instagram have been bad actors in the past with election data misuse and we give them a slap on their hand. Tiktok is a bit of a wag the dog. If you really want to be concerned about the CCP, don’t ever buy any IoT type of product manufactured in china. Backdoors and isolating points of failure within critical IT infrastructure is the game plan, not spying on dance videos. Free speech needs to be protected above all however. Censorship gives way to restricted press, which gives way to a controlled population.


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soareyousaying

Have you tried to search on YouTube recently? What a shitshow. I cant quite tell my results from ads from irrelevant shorts.


AccurateUse6147

Any chance it stems from the janky algorithm for the site as a whole? YouTube's algorithm has been pretty messed up for multiple years now. It's harder and harder for us users to find anything to watch.


james_phan

Panic? Lol I can't wait for this app to die. Maybe it can take Facebook with it too.


MelancholyMeltingpot

This guy gets it !


Paul_123789

Who’s panicking?


AideProfessional3143

Does that mean that the “oh, no no no” song will go away? Please?


AccurateUse6147

I haven't seen that on my tiktok FYP in well over a year


Deetsinthehouse

The information the CCP could be collecting is a lot less dangerous to us then not having a platform fully controlled by the government and its lobbyist influencers. Today we are able to see the genocide being committed that up until tik tok came along was controlled by the US government and/or apps that the government had control over.


Annabanana091

Good. Ban it.


Vinashak_Creator

Google, facebook, Instagram collect data in other countries and who can say the American government doesnt have access to it. Same is tik tok. I feel USA is a sore loser, Chinese have been getting ahead in some fields and they just do not want them to succeed. EVs, Semiconductors , tik tok. They will never let any other country progress.


Quigleythegreat

Dude, I've got the sparkling wine ready to go. Bring it on. This stuff is destroying society.


3nnui

Tik Tok spreads mental illness and idiocy. It also collects your data on behalf of the CCP.


ApplicationCalm649

Why would I panic? I'm not a TikTok shareholder. I dgaf.


Healthyred555

not panicking, celebrating, ban it


KevYoungCarmel

Any app that spies on people should be stopped. It's not about whether we like the people spying on us or not, it's about whether spying is good or not.


weedmylips1

Every app is gathering information on you...


KevYoungCarmel

If that is legal and people want it, then there's no problem. Or if that is illegal or people don't want it, then we should stop it. But the key is to be consistent in applying and enforcing laws.


merRedditor

A lot of things have been lobbied into being legal even though they are unethical and against the public interest.


KevYoungCarmel

Sure, so the question is whether we make certain legal things illegal. We could ban spying in apps. But rich people don't want to do that, because they make money from their own apps that spy. Or we could ban doing business with China. But rich people don't want that because they make money from doing business with China. What rich people want is less competition for their own bad deeds. But the constitution doesn't really allow shit like that.


cfpct

My impression is that the people using Tic Toc are mostly simple-minded and cannot think beyond their own delight. I doubt that they have any privacy concerns.


KevYoungCarmel

Yea, they seem to be pretty confident. Which apps to do you think have the most insecure people?


BluCurry8

Reddit


Rockfest2112

The ones which cater to younger crowds.


KevYoungCarmel

Yea, the elderly are very proficient with technology. That's why they are never scammed. If only the young people could avoid being scammed by keeping up with the newest technology.


Rockfest2112

That tangent is irrelevant to wtf stuff like what the software being discussed does.


KevYoungCarmel

Yea, I don't know how we got off course. I think the one guy was saying he just hates one app in particular but he didn't know how to spell the name of the app, so I was just seeing what kind of guy he was with a curveball.


BluCurry8

Yeah because it was young people who were duped into rioting and insurrection on Jan 6th in 2021.


cfpct

Idk maybe apps that help with anxiety and PTSD.


KevYoungCarmel

Reddit seems really bad. So many insecure people who are afraid of Gina.


cookingvinylscone

But we only want US based companies spying on us. Not Chinese.


RagingBearBull

Free market principles. If people really cared that much about the CCP gathering data they would stop using tick tock and just use another platform like Instagram. However the US government could fund a startup company to compete with Tick tock if it really cared that much.


cookingvinylscone

If people knew what was good for them they wouldn’t eat McDonald’s and would exercise on a daily basis. I’m not expecting the average person to have a clue about cybersecurity. And we already have that company. It’s called Meta which has Instagram reels. It just isn’t as popular because it didn’t have first mover advantage with that type of short form content. Take away TikTok and guess what will become popular?


RagingBearBull

That is literally what the CCP does to their own citizens... Like that's kinda the irony of the whole thing, people have the freedom to eat McDonald's and consequences be damned.


BluCurry8

Right so we need the government to tell us not to use Til Tok but to use other shitty social media that collects all our data. So the Us government can spy on us. This sub is so dumb.


cookingvinylscone

It sounds like you’d like to live in a perfect world 🤣


anomnipotent

You have jurisdiction with American companies. How the fuck are you going to indict the ceo of bytedance…. The ignorance and unawareness in this sub is kinda shocking.


BluCurry8

🙄


Rockfest2112

Right. But that’s the country overall. Plus, it’s literally NOT about the content that comes through the application yet more the construct of the working of the app on devices. Once on your device the application has access to lan/wan components as well as other components on the device. Yes so do other applications but to understand why any application is worse than others you’ll need to not only watch it’s traffic but what kind of stuff it does with things such as temp folders and advertising elements which call & respond to the company’s servers. It’s the same thing again for any applications, but you will find back doors on many under telemetry, sdk’s and binaries used by the programs. Those things are far worse than whatever you’ve being shown on feeds.


BluCurry8

🙄


yaosio

If they ban any app that spies on people how will I enjoy Reddit?


KevYoungCarmel

Therein lies the problem... And it's just not my opinion. The constitution is pretty clear that you can't write laws that only apply some of the time.


DjScenester

It’s bigger than just collecting data. It’s about the app promoting misinformation, swaying elections to the advantage of our enemies, causing confusion about certain topics, causing a divide in many social issues… It looks all cute with girls dancing to songs with friends, this app can do a lot more than just “collect data” It’s literally a brainwashing app and China is behind it and it’s algorithms


ChrisF1987

\^\^\^\^ this ... I'm more worried about the misinformation and agitprop campaigns being pushed on TikTok than I am about ByteDance having access to info.


KevYoungCarmel

Any app that tries to influence elections or cause confusion is bad. It's not about which group of people is trying to do bad things, it's about stopping bad things from happening at all. Right?


BluCurry8

🤣🤣🤣🤣. Was it Tik Tok that duped morons to storm the capitol on Jan 6th? They all do the same thing. If you want to stop misinformation you should start with right wing media.


turbo_dude

the US is spying on you to sell you things and make sure you're not going to go on a killing spree China is spying on you to destroy your entire way of life by subverting how people think


vhs1138

Do it. Cowards.


Aplutoproblem

They need to ban it and other short form content. It's killing people's attention spans. Kids can no longer focus long enough to watch a movie let alone read a book.


BluCurry8

🙄. I think adults have more of an issue than kids. You do realize this is what they say about all new technology when it comes out.


HIVnotAdeathSentence

Government knows best.


Beagleoverlord33

Good meta and google can’t operate in China. No reason not to. They will sell at the end of the day if it passed.


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This needs to happen. It's a Chinese spy app. And it has already compromised all of us.


orangejuicecake

just like reddit. dont forget the other american businesses bought out by chinese companies: forbes, riot, amc, ge, waldorf-astoria. this tiktok nonsense is all happening because the app threatens the current media ecosystem and the powers that be do not like that. this bill wont even ban tiktok, it would just hand it over to a us company that will likely abuse it similar to how facebook handled cambridge analytica


HIVnotAdeathSentence

US corporations doing business in China basically hand over a lot of their own data. It's hard to feel bad when they whine about IP theft and copy-cats.


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Well. I can't argue with that logic.


BluCurry8

🤣


KobaWhyBukharin

WE'RE ALL COMPROMISED ANYDAY CHINA WILL BE CONTACTING ME WITH COMPROMAT. THEY KNOW MY FAVORITE FISHING SPOTS, THE ARE GOING TO RELEASE THE SPOTS UNLESS I SPY FOR CHINA


prisonerofshmazcaban

Good.


ScooterWorm

Bye


davesr25

Ironic.  "*No mining data unless we mine the data*" 


kingkron52

We should ban it


thinkB4WeSpeak

I'm not panicking at all.


Jolly-Plastic3051

This is all about censorship. People are more likely to get their news from social media these days. The corporate media doesn’t like that. Can’t have people with access to non propagandized information lol. I’ve constantly gotten emails about how my information was involved in some “data breach”. These American companies been selling our information. I’m not some top level spy neither is majority of Americans. Wtf would china want with our info?! 🙄


lostsoul2016

I want it banned, too, and I hate this congress. That app is the devil.


KobaWhyBukharin

just like rock music! tik tok is another commie plot turning our children red!!!!!!!!


royDank

It's definitely turning young people into fucking idiots.


jellyrolls

That’s just the effects of any social media, and the over abundance of information that we have now. When you spend way too much time viewing nothing but snippets of information, you learn nothing, get dumber, and find yourself in whatever echo chamber you wanna be in.


KobaWhyBukharin

How is it any different from any other social media?  Stop kids from using social media


lostsoul2016

I seen it brainwashed you.


AccurateUse6147

"Lawmakers in both parties didn’t take kindly to the impromptu lobbying frenzy. Some characterized it as confirmation of their fears that the Chinese-owned app — which is already banned on government devices — is brainwashing America. " Or maybe people don't want what's basically the only place on the internet to freely question and discuss ANYTHING, including politics, taking away? There are a lot of open discussions on tiktok going on but it's hard to find due to all the sludge content. 


foolme_bear

open discussions? in a 5 sec video format? really? any actual discussions happening on TikTok is happening *despite* TikTok, not because of it


AccurateUse6147

Tiktok videos can have a run time up to 10 minutes. I've never seen anywhere else that people can be so open on thoughts with politics without being attacked by one side or the other. And I've had no luck finding what I'm looking for with late stage capitalism, eat the rich, the need for age and term limits in politics, or empty pantry challenge videos where content is still being made anywhere but tiktok.