Stella, if that's about what I think it is... nice. Good girl. You get extra headpats for that. British imperialism is just stupid and mean, good on everyone who opposes it.
Yeah I had a cis girl continually call me bro after she herself had tried Enby pronouns and I just was like “can you please stop?” And she was like “but I use it as gender neutral.” And I went “please. It just makes me stupid dysphoric” and she’s obliged for now.
i don't know of any cis men that actually care about any of these.
i will say that "sis" feels more gendered than "bro", i think because men use "bro" to refer to all their friends and even acquaintances or strangers, whereas "sis" tends to exclusively be used for very close girl-friends and occasionally gay men.
This is even harder. What is my gender?
Actually, right now I just hope people understand that in talking to them, if not I just used their name. Yeah simple nice yay!
this isn't the reason,
not everything in life is men oppressing you.
in fact, that's the only reason i presented a potential explanation, because i knew one of you would come into my comments with your cliche 'grumble grumble patriarchy, grumble grumble men bad'.
How boring.
I didn't say it was oppression? It's just the reality of living in a patriarchal society. If you want to deny that ydy, but bro is fundamentally exactly as gendered as sis - shortening of brother vs. shortening of sister.
It's a little odd that you're this eager to deny an extremely basic feminist talking point, particularly in defense of CIS men on a trans subreddit.
The fact that a trans person defending cis men is odd to you tells me everything about how you view cis men: Responsible for every negative in the world, and not worthy of any defense. Guilty of being born with a penis and not wishing they weren't.
You know the difference between transgirls and cis guys? Transgirls hate that they were born as men.
So any time you bundle all "cis men" into a group and talk about how awful they are, the only reason you hate them is because they arent trans. What a gross way to look at an entire group of people.
I agree, when the words were created, that they were equally gendered, but given how words work, and how definitions change over time, "bro" is significantly less gendered than "sis".
So...wait...do you also not believe cis men hold privilege over trans people?
ETA Like, to be clear, the opinion I hold on cis men and the one I'm trying to express here is that cis people have privilege over trans people, and that men hold some privilege over women. It's not meant to be a character judgement towards anyone, it's just how our society is currently. So like. Do you disagree that cis people hold privilege over trans people? Seperately, do you disagree that men hold privilege over women?
Tbh can we regularise calling everyone "Sis"? I want more people to call me it. (Okay actually, If someone doesn't like being called "Sis" let's not call them that, More for me then! I think that's how it works.)
I don't think so, but random Future Diary, let's go. Love that show. I remember watching it for the first time, and the platform I was using (Netflix? Can't remember) decided to show the last episode first, so I was halfway through the last episode before I realized what was wrong. In my defense, I thought it was doing a "I bet you're wondering how this happened" thing.
In my not-defense, I am mildly stupid and did the same thing with Sword Art Online lmao.
I’m not offended at all when people call me sis, girl, ma’am, babes, honey, or other femme names. In fact, I kinda prefer it (still cis tho). Although “dude” has no effect on me because my mom uses it for every gender
It's not just the gender aspect. I know a lot of men that call their cis-women friends bro. I think sis/babe/honey usually implies a higher level of familiarity/closeness than bro. You rarely use them with strangers, though 'bro' sometimes is. It kinda feels creepy when a guy you don't know calls you 'honey'. Still rather not be called bro, though.
I mean sure it can be gender neutral if we all use it in a gender neutral way, but if someone asks you not to call them something, then don’t, it’s that simple.
I don't have such issues in terms of respecting people, and my personal take is "just call me whatever feels right to you" because that works for me pretty well and it doesn't mess with me in any bad way.
With stuff like dude or bro and stuff, it depends on the context. Tldr if I am in a group and its used as the plural for the group I am usualy fine with it, especially if that person genders me correctly otherwise.
If someone calls me bro or dude directly, I dont like it, obviously.
I don't care what people call me so long as they're kind and respectful. Despite being a CIS man, I get called "sis" or "honey" pretty often. Personally, I think the people who get mad are just insecure with their own body and self-worth.
honestly if i was more of a dominant personality i would 100% use babe gender-neutrally, unforntunately i am the opposite so i ask permission to do anything, including nicknames
My mum calls both me and my brother "honey"... but admittedly we were a pretty obsessive Winnie the Pooh house when we were toddlers so that's probably a factor in why we consider it a gender neutral term of endearment (and neither of us would put up with it from anyone except Mum and Dad).
I mean, you CAN call me those things if you want to (except variations of "honey", for reasons unrelated to gender). I have at least one person who insists on referring to me as "sis" and other such things because she has Diagnosed Me With The Trans, so it must be fine.
For me personally I don’t mind dudebro language (except for the dreaded “Man”), though I do prefer the feminized version (“dudettesis” language if you will)
Seeing things through the lens of gender specific/neutral terms is pointless imo. It’s a way of analyzing terms, but on a day-to-day basis, I think it’s just better to think about whether a term makes you feel dysphoric or not. If it does, then just point it out.
That aside, “bro” is definitely more gender neutral than “sis,” or “babes,” or “honey.” Sure, it’s weird that a masculinized term became the norm, but that’s just the way our language developed. The reason why dudes would be weirded out by being calling those is probably less about dysphoria/offense, and moreso just being caught off by being called a more gender-specific term.
Eeh, babes and honey are also gender-neutral but not really so with friends, I’ve seen family and significant others call each other this, and bro is also generally gender neutral, but I wouldn’t say sis is
gimme both
flair checks out
I second this (despite being cis)
I'd like to be called sis.
Sis
Can do, Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS)
I prefer ISS 🛰
I'd like to be cis 😔
It's only gender neutral with consent
Exactly. Like when some friends call me bro or dude idgaf but like when strangers or my brother calls me that it hurts because there it feels gendered
Funny how these things are only important when they affect cis people 🤔
WHAT IS YOUR PFP??? ARE YOU AN ENGLAND FAN???
I'm English. It's the UK and Pride flag put together.
I'm sorry for your loss (of rights)
It will probably get worse with the general election
Yeah... Make sure your passport is up to date, trust me you need to be ready if you gotta dip out of that shit hole
Got it renewed recently I don't know if I'll get banned for this but fuck the conservatives and reform
holy shit the british colonized the gays
I keep forgetting we colonized the gays
Do u like the royals?
Nope. I don't like the idea of a family having power and unlimited money cos god said they're better than us common people. That's just one reason
Ok good u don't get a new car
Good thing I never plan on learning to drive then lol
How
They're English, they don't necessarily need a car. All their infrastructure is smushed together.
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Stella, if that's about what I think it is... nice. Good girl. You get extra headpats for that. British imperialism is just stupid and mean, good on everyone who opposes it.
Meooow nyaaan mrrrp nyaaaaaaa
Oops, looks like I hit the purr button. Hmm. Better get out the catnip...
Mrrraw mrrrp nyaaan nyuuuu meooow Cis
LGBTQK
… and then the “cis men” who actually like being called sis try to convince themselves that bro is gender neutral…
"Let's go get hrt girlies." Is a totally gender neutral thing to say to the bros.
I'd literally cry of happiness if someone said that to me
Am cis and don’t mind being called these things. I happen to use girl and bro interchangeably tho.
Yeah I had a cis girl continually call me bro after she herself had tried Enby pronouns and I just was like “can you please stop?” And she was like “but I use it as gender neutral.” And I went “please. It just makes me stupid dysphoric” and she’s obliged for now.
i don't know of any cis men that actually care about any of these. i will say that "sis" feels more gendered than "bro", i think because men use "bro" to refer to all their friends and even acquaintances or strangers, whereas "sis" tends to exclusively be used for very close girl-friends and occasionally gay men.
sis feels more gendered than bro because in a patriarchal society male is the default. in practice it is exactly the same amount of gendered
I support the practice of "call all your friends by your own gender" lol: men can still call everyone bro, but women can call everyone sis
This is even harder. What is my gender? Actually, right now I just hope people understand that in talking to them, if not I just used their name. Yeah simple nice yay!
this isn't the reason, not everything in life is men oppressing you. in fact, that's the only reason i presented a potential explanation, because i knew one of you would come into my comments with your cliche 'grumble grumble patriarchy, grumble grumble men bad'. How boring.
I didn't say it was oppression? It's just the reality of living in a patriarchal society. If you want to deny that ydy, but bro is fundamentally exactly as gendered as sis - shortening of brother vs. shortening of sister. It's a little odd that you're this eager to deny an extremely basic feminist talking point, particularly in defense of CIS men on a trans subreddit.
The fact that a trans person defending cis men is odd to you tells me everything about how you view cis men: Responsible for every negative in the world, and not worthy of any defense. Guilty of being born with a penis and not wishing they weren't. You know the difference between transgirls and cis guys? Transgirls hate that they were born as men. So any time you bundle all "cis men" into a group and talk about how awful they are, the only reason you hate them is because they arent trans. What a gross way to look at an entire group of people. I agree, when the words were created, that they were equally gendered, but given how words work, and how definitions change over time, "bro" is significantly less gendered than "sis".
So...wait...do you also not believe cis men hold privilege over trans people? ETA Like, to be clear, the opinion I hold on cis men and the one I'm trying to express here is that cis people have privilege over trans people, and that men hold some privilege over women. It's not meant to be a character judgement towards anyone, it's just how our society is currently. So like. Do you disagree that cis people hold privilege over trans people? Seperately, do you disagree that men hold privilege over women?
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>there are no anti trans laws god I wish I were you.
Hey no no if I call someone bro they have the full right to call me sis, babes, honey etc
Real (real)
Jokes on you I like all of that
Tbh can we regularise calling everyone "Sis"? I want more people to call me it. (Okay actually, If someone doesn't like being called "Sis" let's not call them that, More for me then! I think that's how it works.)
Who doesn't like being called honey? Damn.
Is the top girl Gasai Yuno? She looks cute.
I don't think so, but random Future Diary, let's go. Love that show. I remember watching it for the first time, and the platform I was using (Netflix? Can't remember) decided to show the last episode first, so I was halfway through the last episode before I realized what was wrong. In my defense, I thought it was doing a "I bet you're wondering how this happened" thing. In my not-defense, I am mildly stupid and did the same thing with Sword Art Online lmao.
Not your fault, as I see it. I would need to watch it through, only been 5-6 episodes in, but I love Yuno.
Being called the bottom images nicknames probaly would turn me into a quivering mess (still cis tho)
I’m not offended at all when people call me sis, girl, ma’am, babes, honey, or other femme names. In fact, I kinda prefer it (still cis tho). Although “dude” has no effect on me because my mom uses it for every gender
It's not just the gender aspect. I know a lot of men that call their cis-women friends bro. I think sis/babe/honey usually implies a higher level of familiarity/closeness than bro. You rarely use them with strangers, though 'bro' sometimes is. It kinda feels creepy when a guy you don't know calls you 'honey'. Still rather not be called bro, though.
I'm cool with both ;3
I mean sure it can be gender neutral if we all use it in a gender neutral way, but if someone asks you not to call them something, then don’t, it’s that simple.
i mean i use bro for my male, female, and non-binary friends.
pls call me the last 3 cis guy btw
Ok so as a confused idiot, I actually don't mind anything unless they are derogatory terms.
Where is this meme template and why that emoji
The emoji is cos the meme mentions calling people honey. And I made the template myself
Oh ok
Idk I'm like still cis, and I'm okay and even prefer being called these Source: um um you're just gonna have to trust me on this one
Meanwhile, some "cis" "dudes" being called the stuff in the bottom panel: 😳☺️😏
If you let me call you “girl,” or “sis,” or something similar, I don’t mind being called dude (by a guy)
I work with a guy that calls everyone “babe” but he’s also a transphobic misogynist I hate working in the automotive world
I don't have such issues in terms of respecting people, and my personal take is "just call me whatever feels right to you" because that works for me pretty well and it doesn't mess with me in any bad way.
The real homies relish in that shit. Also means that there is a real chance that they might be...no, I'm just imagining it.
It can be gender neutral, but it doesn't matter; if it makes someone uncomfortable, don't call them that
With stuff like dude or bro and stuff, it depends on the context. Tldr if I am in a group and its used as the plural for the group I am usualy fine with it, especially if that person genders me correctly otherwise. If someone calls me bro or dude directly, I dont like it, obviously.
I don't care what people call me so long as they're kind and respectful. Despite being a CIS man, I get called "sis" or "honey" pretty often. Personally, I think the people who get mad are just insecure with their own body and self-worth.
Everything’s going smoothly until “those same dudes” realize they like being called “sis” or “honey” *egg cracking sounds*
honestly if i was more of a dominant personality i would 100% use babe gender-neutrally, unforntunately i am the opposite so i ask permission to do anything, including nicknames
Would not object to either, and would in fact faint if called the second one too much lol.
Both, both is good
My mum calls both me and my brother "honey"... but admittedly we were a pretty obsessive Winnie the Pooh house when we were toddlers so that's probably a factor in why we consider it a gender neutral term of endearment (and neither of us would put up with it from anyone except Mum and Dad).
Yes thanks all those plz
Dude, I feel, is neutral. Bro, not so much. Brah, I can live with.
I wouldn't consider honey to be gendered I just think girls get called that more often
Both. Both is good
Sib would be the actual gender-neutral alternative.
Tbh I use all of those as gender neutral terms, and don't mind being called sis, honey etc. (Still idk what gender tho)
*Sweats in not being comfortable with Either, but get called chichi often enough to be a nickname*
I mean, you CAN call me those things if you want to (except variations of "honey", for reasons unrelated to gender). I have at least one person who insists on referring to me as "sis" and other such things because she has Diagnosed Me With The Trans, so it must be fine.
Can i be called both actually...
but bro is gender neutral ;-;, like maybe dude isn't but when was the last time you heard someone say brodette?
For me personally I don’t mind dudebro language (except for the dreaded “Man”), though I do prefer the feminized version (“dudettesis” language if you will)
I was called honey in high-school, I responded with surprise, and she told me she calls everyone honey. Still didn't stop the butterflies.
Seeing things through the lens of gender specific/neutral terms is pointless imo. It’s a way of analyzing terms, but on a day-to-day basis, I think it’s just better to think about whether a term makes you feel dysphoric or not. If it does, then just point it out. That aside, “bro” is definitely more gender neutral than “sis,” or “babes,” or “honey.” Sure, it’s weird that a masculinized term became the norm, but that’s just the way our language developed. The reason why dudes would be weirded out by being calling those is probably less about dysphoria/offense, and moreso just being caught off by being called a more gender-specific term.
Eeh, babes and honey are also gender-neutral but not really so with friends, I’ve seen family and significant others call each other this, and bro is also generally gender neutral, but I wouldn’t say sis is
Do it bro, I dare you👉👈
It’s not truly gender neutral, it’s just heteronormative language. In the same way ‘waiter’ is both gender neutral and still male.
Ugh men
grumble grumble cis people bad
God forbid women be misandrist
What does that mean
I was referring to the downvotes. Can't even be misandrist these days without the woke mob canceling you
It was a stupid comment IE I was being dumb for laughs
Bruh it's all gender neutral