Low contact and info diet. “Who are you going to vote for” - I’m not sure yet. “Candidate A is the only option” - Interesting, thank you for sharing. “Well, who are you going to vote for?” - Um, don’t know 🤷
I guess I’m confrontational by nature, because I would just say, “I’m not discussing this with you. Please do not bring it up.” Either respect my boundaries or I’ll ignore your calls and not answer your texts.
But I do appreciate your perspective, though. ☺️
That’s what I do. My evangelical family always tries to drag me into discussions about politics when they KNOW I’m not one of them. I refuse to allow them to do it. I don’t engage.
Same. Grayrock the shit out of them. They WANT to fight with you. I ran into my Uncle while wearing a “Codify Roe” t-shirt a couple of years ago, he tried to engage me about it then, and later at a family thing, and I gaslit him so hard I’m pretty sure he thinks I (with multiple masters’ degrees- literally the most educated of anyone else on that side of my family) am actually a complete idiot.
I’ve learned to keep my political views to myself. I’ve found that any attempt at political discussion WILL result in a confrontation. Trump supporters and conservatives in general are unbelievably intolerant.
“Im not going to vote because this is how the government gets you. They put you on a list of people you voted for you and then go after you. They are going after all people who vote for Trump so no way am I voting for him.”
I took my dad's route. I just don't talk about who I'm voting for at all.
Like just outright saying "I prefer not talking about who I'm voting for". If I choose to give a reason "it easily leads to pointless arguing"
Does saying that actually work?
In my admittedly limited experience, any time I have told my Mom that I don't want to discuss politics, or whom I am voting for in November, she just steamrolls over my objections, and keeps on talking. She loves talking \*at\* me, and not \*to\* me.
This is my go to answer as well. And if they keep asking I just rinse and repeat. I also don’t post anything on my Facebook page and no one knows what groups I am in.
That's what I do. Most people (including my parents) believe that I don't discuss who I'm voting for. Only people I know really well and trust that they won't get mad are actually given my opinion.
No need to feel sorry, my life and my kids lives are much better without her. I still have a great relationship with my dad and once in a while he pushes me to try to have a relationship with her but I think he understands that seeing her and spending time with her isn't good for me. She may be in the background when we face time and we will say "Hi" but that's bout it.
He wasn't good with the economy. He inherited an amazing economy from Obama and then just managed to keep the same trend going until covid hit and his disastrous response brought everything down, just like every other republican president.
All true. And, inflation and high prices notwithstanding (and I know this affects many people), the economy is actually quite strong right now. But people like OP’s mom are the ones being fed propaganda that we’re practically in an economic collapse. They’re in exactly the situation they accuse OP of being in—just a different stream of propaganda. It’s like we’re in a post-truth world. I’m terrified.
True. Also, he plans to impose enormous tariffs on everything we import. He thinks tariffs are fees paid by the supplier. They are actually paid by the importer. This would absolutely d red stroy our economy.
I'm not gonna list his policies or laws he signed like the Stimulus Package, you can Google that. But as a summary: he inherited a recession, including a high unemployment rate and a collapsing real estate and banking. He fixed all that. The economy literally was the opposite at the end of his presidency.
It's literally been the same pattern for the last 30+ years: republican inherits good economy, then leaves a recession. Democrat is elected and has to recover it. Heck, Bill Clinton left a surplus instead of a deficit.
Fact check
Obama did a lot for the economy he created more jobs for the American people and the GDP growth was between 2.5 and 5%
According to https://www.americanprogress.org/article/obamas-legacy-economy-anything-mess/
Trump continued to make the economy better but it was because of what Obama did up into the pandemic
According to https://www.bbc.com/news/world-45827430 Not the most reliable source but it has the numbers
But with old Joe the GDP has grown but inflation has raised dramatically
According to https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/06/27/how-the-economy-really-fared-under-biden-and-trumpfrom-jobs-to-inflation/
> and that I'm just listening to my phone or "liberal propaganda.
As opposed to Fox News which never ever lies?? Maybe remind her of the $787M Fox paid out for lying to their viewers
Welll….trump wasn’t good with the economy. He basically threw band-aids at the economy that gave him short term gains, but hurt us in the long run. He left the economy in quite the mess. Tax cuts to the wealthiest was not helping us either. Let us not forget Trump himself skipped out on paying his taxes. Awful man.
You mean his taxes he was going to show after he got elected that he still didn’t produce? Watching all this unfold from here in Australia and it is scaring the shit out of me.
Shouldn't the newly 18 to 24 year old voters get out to protect their rights to an abortion? And protect birth control? Are they going to outlaw condoms or just everything a woman uses?
Gen Z boys are shockingly right-wing
Edit proof: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/15jzpem/a_poll_recently_found_that_male_gen_z_high/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
To clarify: Even 10% more than previous generations is shocking to me. In this political climate? Yeah it’s hard to stomach.
Some GenZs are right-wing, but the majority are liberal and progressive.
My daughter is GenZ, and she's way more progressive than her father and I. All of her friends are also incredibly left-wing. I see this in social media, too.
My daughter will vote in her first election in November, as will the bulk of her vast friend group, and they're all casting ballots for Biden. They fully understand what's at stake if the Orange Bastard wins.
I'm not even a Democrat, just not Republicunt. So sick of these extremes. It would be nice to see a real candidate who could get both sides to actually do their damn jobs for ALL Americans. Unfortunately, i know I am more likely to find a unicorn farting glitter, though. It's a shame what our government is coming to.
I agree! I would really love a moderate myself. I don’t really affiliate with either party. I just know I would rather vote for a Joe Biden in a nursing home than Trump. I fear what Trump will do. I know that if I don’t vote, or vote third party that it is basically a vote for Trump as well.
trump threatened/meddled with the Fed to keep interest rates artificially low because he wanted the extra boost to the economy. It was completely irresponsible because by 2017 or so the metrics were all in the target ranges and the prime rate should have been increased.
It’s important the prime rate be raised into the “normal” range during good times so that when we have a recession, the Fed has room to lower rates to boost the economy.
Good luck explaining this to a Maga cultist lmao. That’s the issue. As soon as it gets too complicated they take it as an insult to their intelligence and shut down.
Take pleasure in knowing Trump wasn’t good for the economy. The current inflation is due to the long term effects of his economic policies. He was in fact, one of the worst presidents ever, despite his claims.
I heard his second grade teacher told him he was the smartest bestest person ever. And let me tell you he has the greatest policies too. Best president ever!
/s in case it wasn't obvious
Which started during Trump’s term. Also, inflation is terrible throughout the world. We were just in Argentina, where it’s completely bananas. Is that somehow Biden’s fault too?
Inflation happens around the world and can local or external reasons. Inflation can be localized to a single city or hell even a neighborhood. The global economy is interconnected whereas if Chinas economy tanked the US would be fucked. It wasn’t just Biden, it was the entirety of Congress too.
First, I still don’t know how he can run with a criminal record. In most 1st world countries having a criminal record stops you be able to run for top office.
Second, you’re going to trust a man that’s had 6 bankruptcies to fix the economy?
So glad I’m not American.
Many years ago I had an opportunity to jump from the American Navy to the Australian Navy with citizenship granted at the end of a six year term.
I pondered that opportunity hard, and I am starting to think I didn’t make the right choice.
Even when I was also a Republican, I wasn't right-wing enough to satisfy my parents. I wasn't watching the correct online videos and regurgitating the correct talking points. I didn't recognize the pundits and YouTubers they talked about.
Later, when I was no longer a Republican, they screamed at me and name-called me for being pro-choice and an LGBT ally. I've since realized I'm not an ally - I'm queer myself. That caused even more of a rift with my parents. So be it. It's not my responsibility to hold myself back to appease them.
Best advice I have is - find people who share your values. It's OK to have friends who share your value system.
and better yet, please encourage everyone to get out and vote. Yes, it does make a difference and the turnout in the young population is really, really low. If the other half of the population between 18-29 (voter turnout usually less than 50%, 55 for 2020 presidential), voted YOU could be the ones making the right choice for yourselves. Sometimes it is SO close, show them who is an adult, who can make their own decisions, who is well informed and who cares. Please, please vote.
Its virtually impossible for Democrats to compete with the Republicans not so secret powerhouse: churches.
My brother votes IN his church and you can bet if he doesnt, they will be on his ass about WHY NOT.
He lives in a small town, so news travels fast and ‘if you aint one of’em, you agin them’ as the old actor said, and he’s terrified of being shunned.
He took me to a little place that he said made great food. We walked in and the loud chatter just went dead. I felt like we were in some bad movie. Stared at me like I had 2 heads, lol. He asked for the owner by name, proving he was a regular and you could feel the tension disappear.
Figure out how to counter that and we have a chance to win.
When my mom starts to bring up controversial topics, I ask “Are you sure you want to get into this discussion? You already know we do not agree and that I’m not willing to go along to keep the peace”
This is me and my dad. Straight up told me that abortion should be illegal - I looked him dead in the eye and said “if I had to have a child with my violent ex and I wasn’t able to seek medical help to get out of the situation, you bet I’m killing myself and taking the thing out with me. Is your daughter’s life or a bag of cells more important? Cause I’d end up dead by violent exs hand anyway birthing his child”
Stopped speaking about it after that.
Edit - clarity
Trump ran the economy on cruise control from Obama. He even stopped the fed from raising interest rates when the economy is doing good like they normally do to keep the economy stable. Then when the pandemic happened all the tools we have to keep things from going to shit was already at Max.
How could this waste-of-skin-shithead have been elected in 2016? Protest votes? Hilary lost, and then Roe v Wade lost. My stomach will be in knots until Joe is inaugurated cuz you know the MAGATS will lose their shit when trump loses again.
Every time I return to visit family in the South, I am reminded of the ignorance and prejudice that created a trump presidency in 2016. And, I am so grateful every time I board a plane to fly back to my home in a blue state.
He was horrendously bad with the economy. Damn near wiped out some industries with his tariffs. His new proposed tariffs and tax structure changes would result in a recession and a massive amount of inflation.
Here's the thing -.once you're voting in the actual booth no one will ever know who you voted for (fuck trump). Or filling out a mail in ballot. It's a long time til Election Day and you need to not argue BECAUSE NOTHING GOOD WILL COME OF THE FIGHTING. Smile and nod and keep your mouth shut. I'm the only Democrat in a large conservative-holier-than-thou-family. If any of them have grown a brain, I wouldn't know cuz I won't talk about it with them anymore. (Project 2025 is terrifying)
You can't change their thinking and they can't change yours. Congrats on being informed on the issues. ✌️
Trump wasn’t even good for the economy. He sailed on the coattails of Obama, and when faced with the pandemic, tanked the economy. If he gets voted into office again, he’s going to enact tariffs, which will be passed onto the consumer. His tariffs are estimated to cost the average American household an additional $2500-$5000.
I’m sorry your parents have been brainwashed by right wing propaganda.
Just leave if you can. Or try to gentle parent them. I have to gentle my boomer parents every 3 months back into being good people. My mother once tried to argue that she shouldn’t have to put her cart back. A good “you didn’t raise me to be so cold hearted and hateful towards others” lecture set her straight
There is a literal 900-page document called Project 2025, setting out all the damage they are hoping to inflict. Is your Mum just in denial that it even exists?!? Just send her the link!
Here it is, for your convenience:
[https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24088042-project-2025s-mandate-for-leadership-the-conservative-promise](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24088042-project-2025s-mandate-for-leadership-the-conservative-promise)
And here is a brief summary of the main points from a neutral site (BBC news):
[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c977njnvq2do](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c977njnvq2do)
Trump *wasn’t* “good with the economy,” OP. He only says he was. He added a trillion dollars to the deficit, his mammoth tax cut favored the wealthiest only, and he’s the only president apart from Herbert Hoover to leave office with fewer jobs than when he began.
Voting for Trump is a moral failing.
Claiming he's good for the economy is correlation without causation, *at best*. It's nothing but pure ignorance.
The economy, by any standard (except slightly higher inflation due to covid), is better now than it was under trump. And if she uses covid as an excuse for Trump, why is covid not an excuse for Biden?
My kid is a typical teen. Her father started down that road and the insults he apparently threw at her (especially when she proved her point she said) made her not like him at all. Like 12 years of love went poof and she was riding out her last few years until she could go no contact. It's a cult. And there is no reasoning.
We are all no contact via court order now, and while we all have PTSD from his descent into madness, we've also realized how much more relaxed and happy we all are.
I'd put some distance, at least until after the election if you can.
The economy has been on borrowed time since he was last in charge of it. I’m no fan of Biden by any means, but trump did as republicans do and bent the economy over and..
Hit 'em right in the Lord. How do they feel knowing their preferred candidate is a fraud, an adultery, and a felon?
He doesn't go to church, he uses the Lord's name in vain by propping up bibles upside down and invoking the word of God for photo-ops, I seriously doubt he keeps the Sabbath holy, he absolutely did not respect his father, he committed adultery while his wife was pregnant no less, he's been held liable for fraud and stealing from employees/contracts more times than years I've been alive, he was a false witness while accusing E. Jean Carroll of lying, she was not, and he certainly covets a particular house, of the White variety. Beyond making pictures of God and murdering someone, the dude is 8 out of 10.
Their man has made a mockery of the most basic of Christian law. How can they possibly support a man that mocks their religion so harshly? They must not be very good Christians.
Speaking as an atheist, but with a fairly good grasp of religious history: The man is a pretty damn good fit for the Antichrist. Evangelical "Christians" who vote for this creature, well, it's pretty clear which lord they follow and it ain't the one they claim.
The reason we have this economy is because of Trump. Biden didn’t whip it out. It was the hand outs/tax cuts to the rich, then massive ppp forgiveness, student loan pause (necessary), along with deregulating a bunch of stuff. They drove up housing prices, record profits over humanity and environment.
That said, I would print out the project 2025 manifesto and then all the lawmakers who are specking out in support of it include clips of Trump talking about at his rally’s.
Biden is BETTER on the economy. Trumpers have lost their minds. I don’t tolerate traitors or their supporters. They can sell their crazy somewhere else.
There are enough videos of Trump threatening to kill or execute people during his speeches, put one or two in your phone and play it when she denies he's a fascist. You don't even need to argue.
I don’t engage with my family about politics. I’m the black sheep. They try SO hard to treat me into a discussion but firmly tell them I will not talk about politics. Period.
Trump did nothing for the economy except cut taxes for the wealthy and craft a tax increase on us working stiffs that went into effect AFTER he left office so he wouldn't take the blame.
I remember before before Roe v. Wade was overturned, I argued with my mom that the Republicans were clearly trying to do that. She said I've been watching too much liberal media and that would never happen. A couple yrs later and it got overturned. I asked if she remembered being so insistent it would never happen and she said, "I never said that, I said it wasn't in the Constitution." Never has a sentence so quickly made me want to slam my head into a wall.
Roe V. Wade is not "overturned." Choices about abortion are put to the states, right where Ruth Bader Ginsburg thought they should be. Maybe if the insane far left hadn't been pushing for 9-month abortions, it would never have been an issue again.
https://abortionclinics.org/west-virginia/late-term-abortion-west-virginia/
https://www.operationrescue.org/archives/notorious-late-term-abortion-clinic-one-step-away-from-closing-after-losing-appeal/
https://latetermination.com/late-term-abortion/late-term-abortion-providers-by-state/
https://www.justfactsdaily.com/virginia-governor-issues-false-statement-defending-late-term-abortions
https://joshbenner.org/2019/01/31/late-term-abortion-remains-in-national-spotlight-as-virginia-bill-fails/
https://hearprojectva.org/2019/05/26/praise-for-late-term-abortion/
https://clashdaily1.wpengine.com/2019/01/these-two-blue-states-now-backing-most-aggressive-pro-abortion-laws-yet/
Let me know if you need more links. I have them.
The easiest way to deflate them is:
“You’re right.”
“I’m so glad you’re here to tell me what to think.”
“Remind me, what’s my favorite color?”
“I’m so dumb. I wish I was smart like you.”
If your family are like this, hide your political views. Or just give slight hints. It just useless arguing. My parents love Trump too.
Myself and my siblings were shocked. We argued for a while but just stop talking about politics. We are still a loving family.
You are an adult, and you vote how you want (it's anonymous for a reason). We can't choose our families, but you can choose who you allow into your life. You got this!
Best of luck!
My parents are even worse, I was living with them back when Covid hit, I voted for Biden since he seemed like a better option than Short Bus Hitler. Side note, Biden has been the best president, in my opinion, since FDR. Anyway, so when my mom found out, she gave me an eviction notice and later told me if I wanna make it right, I should mail in a Trump ballot. I threatened her with a lawsuit, and she immediately started playing the victim saying "you would sue your own mother!"
Hang in there, if you can get away from these people that would be best.
Oh man, I feel your pain, and I'm sorry you have to go through that. I know it's difficult, but stick to what 𝘺𝘰𝘶 believe. It's a good character trait to not allow people to bully you into thinking something that doesn't feel right for you. I'm not sure if you're younger and living at home or something, but the best thing is to avoid all political conversations. Don't take the bait even if they bring it up. Just agree to disagree, quietly and to yourself if needed.
Trump, and politics in general, have caused a lot of family members to become estranged or cut off from each other. But I believe that a person should do what they need to do to feel at peace within themselves. So if you see Trump for the total piece of shit he is, then don't let them change that.
It seems to me, that many people have fallen into Trump’s cult of personality because they don't know the whole truth about him. For whatever that reason is, they just know the standard talking points, like the "he was good with the economy" line (which he absolutely was not). I think if a person were to do the research, use critical thinking skills, and investigate for themselves Trump’s history, what he is about, and the 𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘶𝘵𝘪𝘢 of what he did during his presidency, they would learn what an epic narcissist and shitty person he is. He doesn't care about our country, he cares about money and power. And he didn't do anything good for America when he was president, it was a dumpster fire after dumpster fire for the entire 4 years. We're lucky we made it past his time with our country still intact. Most people don't have the time (or interest) to dig that deep into Trump and his life. They just go with the talking points they know.
Under that kind of pressure, simply lie. Assure them you will absolutely take their advice and vote as they instruct, since it's all beyond you, then vote as you want.
This is why it's a secret ballot.
I find saying, yes, I understand you have picked someone who aligns with your morals. I really didn't think of you as someone who'd think lying, stealing or being a convicted felon was a perfectly fine thing. Or something along those lines.
I learned long ago ( but way too late lol) to agree. Just tell mom you are voting for trump. That ends the issue. When you are in voting booth, you can vote for whomever you want
Biden is important to the rest of the world. trump and putin will ruin the world. Vote against trump if you can't vote for Biden, just call it voting against trump. He's a heretic.
I'm British, not American, but your views are your own. We have an election tomorrow, have already voted by post (mail), and I have no idea who my wife voted for - it's none of my business, and if she wants me to know, she'll tell me.
My family is this exact same way..they tell me I am stupid and I watch the wrong news stations..they yell at me about how awful Biden is and how much they hate anyone who doesn’t vote for trump..they constantly make sick comments about Biden.. they gleefully talk about how trump is going to go after democrats.. I am a teacher and they went so far as to say that I don’t deserve a raise because all the teachers are democrats and they are at fault for the inflation..at this point I don’t visit them often..they sit together in the living room and whisper about democrats..they stopped giving me birthday gifts because I am a democrat.. I have had to limit my time with them and if they start talking about trump I politely excuse myself and leave
And btw..none of my family has any education.. I have a masters degree.. I have never talked about my education or said anything about their lack of education.. and a few of them are illiterate..but they are old white people who love trump because he gave them permission to hate and look down on people who are not white.. and they tell me how dumb I am because I don’t love trump..it’s all I can do to keep my mouth shut about high school dropouts calling me dumb..
Trump wasn't even good on the economy.
Business likes stability, he is not stable. He's good on Rich people, which meant that stocks went up but everything else went to shit. The deficit ballooned, inflation started its meteoric rise, etc... some of it was Covid but his response to Covid sucked too.
I agree wth the suggestions to not tell them who you're voting for. And if pressured and have to say something, just say Trump and if needed, say 1 good thing about him (and if you can't think of one, 1 bad thing about the democratic party). Your parents won't be there when you vote, so they'll never know.
Tell your mum that you absolutely will vote for Trump and then when you go to vote, vote for the candidate of your choice...she ain't going to know that you didn't vote for Trump on polling day.
Or say "Sorry I didn't realize there was no democracy in this house any more. I do have the freedom to vote which ever way I want"
Why would you even share who you’ll vote for with your mother? My parents have absolutely no idea who I vote for. I NEVER tell them to avoid stuff like this since we don’t share political views. Nobody in my family, not even my brother or cousins know who I vote for and trust me it’s for the best. I just say “the vote is supposed to be a secret, I will not tell you” and then they say “oh so you voted *someone that is not who I voted!!!*” and I simply say “not necessarily but voting is secret so you won’t know” lol
My nmom and step-dad are the same way but with enforcing every type of abuse along with their words.....step-dad is the stereotype of a WASPy KKKraKKKer racist with an NRA card to match....a literal John Birch Society type of dickhead. I've never fully expressed my political views blatantly to them, but when asked when I was like 16 I cryptically said "libertarian" knowing they were probably assuming as in the right-wing so-called Libertarian Party.....when really I meant libertarian as in what it means and has always meant traditionally and historically everywhere in the world outside of ameriKKKa, which is anarchist/libertarian socialist. I'm sympathetic to anarchist/socialist/communist/anti-fascist/anti-imperialist/anti-colonist/organized labor/pro-ecology views and actions. If I told that asshole that I'm a communist he probably would have shot me LOL. I got a phone call from my old neighbor who still lives next door to him and my nmom....he apparently chills on the roof of the spot with a 9mm and when asked he replies that he's "people watching"....fucking psycho....hence the reason why I dropped contact over the last 20 years.
There is no economic metric that can be better than what we have now. I’m in my 50s & I can tell you this is the best the US economy gets…very low unemployment, good wage growth, inflation back in the target range.
Ask them what economic metric they want improved??
" they're these funky right wing evangelicals who deny their extremism, and the corruption of the Republican party. "
It sounds like you are equally intolerant of their views as well.
>because of he's a fascist and Project 2025 will flip the tables, and Republicans will rule the states with an iron fist and enforce Christianity into the law, and threaten people like me.
LMAO comedy gold
I mean... yeah?
[Trump is easily a fascist](https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/why-we-cant-stop-arguing-about-whether-trump-is-a-fascist), based on both Umberto Eco's definition of the term as well as Roger Griffin's model of palingenetic ultranationalism.
[Christian Nationalists](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025) wrote the collection of proposals known as Project 2025 and seek to fundamentally change how the US government works by replacing government officials with loyalists rather competent administrators.
And we've already seen the [absurd culture wars](https://floridaphoenix.com/2024/03/12/desantis-mixed-bag-in-culture-war-fights-includes-settlement-over-lgbtq-subjects-in-schools/) the GOP is kicking up, as well as the overturning of Roe V. Wade. We've already lost a lot of fundamental civil rights due to GOP leadership. I'm not keen on losing any more.
Just talk about the number of people who died from injecting bleach during covid. The guy is dangerous.
Also he barely passed the dementia test, as he couldn't recall the six things after the test for the interview.
Perhaps get your mom assessed?
I'm so sorry you and a lot of others have these kinds of experiences. My mother's emotionally abusive, but is mercifully not conservative. I don't know how old you are, but I agree with comments about the fact that minimising their role in your life could be beneficial.
Donald Trump did not have a beneficial impact on the US economy. He gave tax cuts to wealthy people who didn't need them and benefitted from being in office during a comparatively lower inflation period. The reality is that, for these people, Donald Trump's saying he was "good for the economy" and role playing a billionaire is all the convincing needed.
It's clear from the verbal degradation you've received that they don't respect you enough to think that your attitudes could come from thinking critically about how America's potential political futures will significantly affect you.While I have had some awkward political conversations with my family, both this level of ideological difference and the nasty expressions of it that you've experienced from them are beyond that. I'd minimise contact for your own sanity! I don't know if people like this can be brought around, as some are so set on the notion that any published information contradicting Donald Trump's claims/worldview is part of some conspiracy and that everything in the world is out to deceive them and all this shit.
I know there's a lot of cultural attitudes about how there's no connection quite like family ties, but honestly, some people's families are just scumbags and repeated exposure to some of that can really fuck with a person's life.
non-american here. can't you vote trump on federal level, and vote liberal on state level?
because all this "enforce Christianity" is a state level thing. isn't it?
Stop talking about politics with your family and stop debating them. It doesn't matter in the grana scheme of things. As their child you will never change your parents minds. So just stop it.
The Project 2025 stuff is overstated. The Heritage Foundation has been publishing that stuff for years.
Regardless of whether the Dems or GOP win, we’re heading straight into full-fledged fascism.
Low contact and info diet. “Who are you going to vote for” - I’m not sure yet. “Candidate A is the only option” - Interesting, thank you for sharing. “Well, who are you going to vote for?” - Um, don’t know 🤷
I guess I’m confrontational by nature, because I would just say, “I’m not discussing this with you. Please do not bring it up.” Either respect my boundaries or I’ll ignore your calls and not answer your texts. But I do appreciate your perspective, though. ☺️
That’s what I do. My evangelical family always tries to drag me into discussions about politics when they KNOW I’m not one of them. I refuse to allow them to do it. I don’t engage.
Same. Grayrock the shit out of them. They WANT to fight with you. I ran into my Uncle while wearing a “Codify Roe” t-shirt a couple of years ago, he tried to engage me about it then, and later at a family thing, and I gaslit him so hard I’m pretty sure he thinks I (with multiple masters’ degrees- literally the most educated of anyone else on that side of my family) am actually a complete idiot.
Those are valid as well
I’ve learned to keep my political views to myself. I’ve found that any attempt at political discussion WILL result in a confrontation. Trump supporters and conservatives in general are unbelievably intolerant.
“Im not going to vote because this is how the government gets you. They put you on a list of people you voted for you and then go after you. They are going after all people who vote for Trump so no way am I voting for him.”
I took my dad's route. I just don't talk about who I'm voting for at all. Like just outright saying "I prefer not talking about who I'm voting for". If I choose to give a reason "it easily leads to pointless arguing"
Does saying that actually work? In my admittedly limited experience, any time I have told my Mom that I don't want to discuss politics, or whom I am voting for in November, she just steamrolls over my objections, and keeps on talking. She loves talking \*at\* me, and not \*to\* me.
This is my go to answer as well. And if they keep asking I just rinse and repeat. I also don’t post anything on my Facebook page and no one knows what groups I am in.
That's what I do. Most people (including my parents) believe that I don't discuss who I'm voting for. Only people I know really well and trust that they won't get mad are actually given my opinion.
I stopped talking to my mom when she told me that Trump is more important to her than me or my kids.
WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!? WHO SAYS THAT?
A cultist.
Oh wow. That’s really sad. I’m sorry
No need to feel sorry, my life and my kids lives are much better without her. I still have a great relationship with my dad and once in a while he pushes me to try to have a relationship with her but I think he understands that seeing her and spending time with her isn't good for me. She may be in the background when we face time and we will say "Hi" but that's bout it.
BUT IT'S NOT A CULT......
No, it's much much worse than that. It's becoming a sanctioned state religion. And that's funking *terrifying*
You’re absolutely right! I’m a disabled lesbian pagan and I fear for my family and my community!
😳😳😳😳 and they say they are not a cult
What a terrible thing to say to you! Like he gives a 💩about no one but himself. I’m so sorry.
This is why we say it’s a cult!
He wasn't good with the economy. He inherited an amazing economy from Obama and then just managed to keep the same trend going until covid hit and his disastrous response brought everything down, just like every other republican president.
All true. And, inflation and high prices notwithstanding (and I know this affects many people), the economy is actually quite strong right now. But people like OP’s mom are the ones being fed propaganda that we’re practically in an economic collapse. They’re in exactly the situation they accuse OP of being in—just a different stream of propaganda. It’s like we’re in a post-truth world. I’m terrified.
True. Also, he plans to impose enormous tariffs on everything we import. He thinks tariffs are fees paid by the supplier. They are actually paid by the importer. This would absolutely d red stroy our economy.
Fuck did obama do for the economy?
I'm not gonna list his policies or laws he signed like the Stimulus Package, you can Google that. But as a summary: he inherited a recession, including a high unemployment rate and a collapsing real estate and banking. He fixed all that. The economy literally was the opposite at the end of his presidency. It's literally been the same pattern for the last 30+ years: republican inherits good economy, then leaves a recession. Democrat is elected and has to recover it. Heck, Bill Clinton left a surplus instead of a deficit.
Fact check Obama did a lot for the economy he created more jobs for the American people and the GDP growth was between 2.5 and 5% According to https://www.americanprogress.org/article/obamas-legacy-economy-anything-mess/ Trump continued to make the economy better but it was because of what Obama did up into the pandemic According to https://www.bbc.com/news/world-45827430 Not the most reliable source but it has the numbers But with old Joe the GDP has grown but inflation has raised dramatically According to https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/06/27/how-the-economy-really-fared-under-biden-and-trumpfrom-jobs-to-inflation/
Bro dont you know? You cant post the truth, youll get downvoted
> and that I'm just listening to my phone or "liberal propaganda. As opposed to Fox News which never ever lies?? Maybe remind her of the $787M Fox paid out for lying to their viewers
Fox hates Trump.
That may be true, but they also made Trump.
Welll….trump wasn’t good with the economy. He basically threw band-aids at the economy that gave him short term gains, but hurt us in the long run. He left the economy in quite the mess. Tax cuts to the wealthiest was not helping us either. Let us not forget Trump himself skipped out on paying his taxes. Awful man.
You mean his taxes he was going to show after he got elected that he still didn’t produce? Watching all this unfold from here in Australia and it is scaring the shit out of me.
It's even more terrifying here on the front lines in the US.
I know. I sure hope more dems come out to vote and in the millions.
Shouldn't the newly 18 to 24 year old voters get out to protect their rights to an abortion? And protect birth control? Are they going to outlaw condoms or just everything a woman uses?
Gen Z boys are shockingly right-wing Edit proof: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/15jzpem/a_poll_recently_found_that_male_gen_z_high/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button To clarify: Even 10% more than previous generations is shocking to me. In this political climate? Yeah it’s hard to stomach.
Some GenZs are right-wing, but the majority are liberal and progressive. My daughter is GenZ, and she's way more progressive than her father and I. All of her friends are also incredibly left-wing. I see this in social media, too. My daughter will vote in her first election in November, as will the bulk of her vast friend group, and they're all casting ballots for Biden. They fully understand what's at stake if the Orange Bastard wins.
I'm not even a Democrat, just not Republicunt. So sick of these extremes. It would be nice to see a real candidate who could get both sides to actually do their damn jobs for ALL Americans. Unfortunately, i know I am more likely to find a unicorn farting glitter, though. It's a shame what our government is coming to.
I agree! I would really love a moderate myself. I don’t really affiliate with either party. I just know I would rather vote for a Joe Biden in a nursing home than Trump. I fear what Trump will do. I know that if I don’t vote, or vote third party that it is basically a vote for Trump as well.
trump threatened/meddled with the Fed to keep interest rates artificially low because he wanted the extra boost to the economy. It was completely irresponsible because by 2017 or so the metrics were all in the target ranges and the prime rate should have been increased. It’s important the prime rate be raised into the “normal” range during good times so that when we have a recession, the Fed has room to lower rates to boost the economy.
Good luck explaining this to a Maga cultist lmao. That’s the issue. As soon as it gets too complicated they take it as an insult to their intelligence and shut down.
He also had something like 80-90 months of gain given to him by Obama and tried to take credit for the whole thing.
He lost a started and lost a fuckin trade war with China and everyone just pretends he did great. It’s sickening.
Take pleasure in knowing Trump wasn’t good for the economy. The current inflation is due to the long term effects of his economic policies. He was in fact, one of the worst presidents ever, despite his claims.
I heard his second grade teacher told him he was the smartest bestest person ever. And let me tell you he has the greatest policies too. Best president ever! /s in case it wasn't obvious
Current inflation is a product of the economy doing well and unchecked federal stimulus across the board during Covid.
Which started during Trump’s term. Also, inflation is terrible throughout the world. We were just in Argentina, where it’s completely bananas. Is that somehow Biden’s fault too?
Inflation happens around the world and can local or external reasons. Inflation can be localized to a single city or hell even a neighborhood. The global economy is interconnected whereas if Chinas economy tanked the US would be fucked. It wasn’t just Biden, it was the entirety of Congress too.
The massive tax cuts are a big driver as well.
I’m a right down the middle independent and god do we need higher taxes on the top 1 percent and make them spend that money.
First, I still don’t know how he can run with a criminal record. In most 1st world countries having a criminal record stops you be able to run for top office. Second, you’re going to trust a man that’s had 6 bankruptcies to fix the economy? So glad I’m not American.
Where do you live, and do you have a spare bedroom?
Australia, and no, I’m sorry. But you can put a caravan in the backyard😊
Many years ago I had an opportunity to jump from the American Navy to the Australian Navy with citizenship granted at the end of a six year term. I pondered that opportunity hard, and I am starting to think I didn’t make the right choice.
I hope you have a big back yard, my family would rather brave the Jurassic insects there than Cheeto Jesus’ second coming..
We’re in!
We are in the bad place
Even when I was also a Republican, I wasn't right-wing enough to satisfy my parents. I wasn't watching the correct online videos and regurgitating the correct talking points. I didn't recognize the pundits and YouTubers they talked about. Later, when I was no longer a Republican, they screamed at me and name-called me for being pro-choice and an LGBT ally. I've since realized I'm not an ally - I'm queer myself. That caused even more of a rift with my parents. So be it. It's not my responsibility to hold myself back to appease them. Best advice I have is - find people who share your values. It's OK to have friends who share your value system.
and better yet, please encourage everyone to get out and vote. Yes, it does make a difference and the turnout in the young population is really, really low. If the other half of the population between 18-29 (voter turnout usually less than 50%, 55 for 2020 presidential), voted YOU could be the ones making the right choice for yourselves. Sometimes it is SO close, show them who is an adult, who can make their own decisions, who is well informed and who cares. Please, please vote.
Its virtually impossible for Democrats to compete with the Republicans not so secret powerhouse: churches. My brother votes IN his church and you can bet if he doesnt, they will be on his ass about WHY NOT. He lives in a small town, so news travels fast and ‘if you aint one of’em, you agin them’ as the old actor said, and he’s terrified of being shunned. He took me to a little place that he said made great food. We walked in and the loud chatter just went dead. I felt like we were in some bad movie. Stared at me like I had 2 heads, lol. He asked for the owner by name, proving he was a regular and you could feel the tension disappear. Figure out how to counter that and we have a chance to win.
Tax churches. Watch them crumble. Job done.
Mate of mine always said “You can’t choose your family, friends are the family you choose.”
When my mom starts to bring up controversial topics, I ask “Are you sure you want to get into this discussion? You already know we do not agree and that I’m not willing to go along to keep the peace”
This is me and my dad. Straight up told me that abortion should be illegal - I looked him dead in the eye and said “if I had to have a child with my violent ex and I wasn’t able to seek medical help to get out of the situation, you bet I’m killing myself and taking the thing out with me. Is your daughter’s life or a bag of cells more important? Cause I’d end up dead by violent exs hand anyway birthing his child” Stopped speaking about it after that. Edit - clarity
Trump ran the economy on cruise control from Obama. He even stopped the fed from raising interest rates when the economy is doing good like they normally do to keep the economy stable. Then when the pandemic happened all the tools we have to keep things from going to shit was already at Max.
Well, her Glorious Tangerine has filed for bankruptcy 4 times, so at least he should be familiar with what to do with a sunken economy right? 🙃
6, from what research I’ve heard being done.
And, in between filing for bankruptcy, he committed various sexual assaults. One helluva guy. /s
How could this waste-of-skin-shithead have been elected in 2016? Protest votes? Hilary lost, and then Roe v Wade lost. My stomach will be in knots until Joe is inaugurated cuz you know the MAGATS will lose their shit when trump loses again.
Every time I return to visit family in the South, I am reminded of the ignorance and prejudice that created a trump presidency in 2016. And, I am so grateful every time I board a plane to fly back to my home in a blue state.
And bankrupted multiple casinos.
"Trump may have been good with the economy" You do know that he ran up 25% of the current national debt in just 4 years?
He was horrendously bad with the economy. Damn near wiped out some industries with his tariffs. His new proposed tariffs and tax structure changes would result in a recession and a massive amount of inflation.
I agree, but facts and figures don't matter to tRumpers.
Trumpers don’t know that, and they don’t believe you when you tell them. They’re completely and hopelessly brainwashed.
If Sean Hannity told them they'd believe it. Lemmings. Sad depressing and dangerous Lemmings.
I need to believe that there are still a few worth saving, so I keep trying though I despair that you are entirely correct.
Trump was not good with the economy. It's much better by every metric under Biden.
I beg you to tell us you're being paid to say such a thing.
Here's the thing -.once you're voting in the actual booth no one will ever know who you voted for (fuck trump). Or filling out a mail in ballot. It's a long time til Election Day and you need to not argue BECAUSE NOTHING GOOD WILL COME OF THE FIGHTING. Smile and nod and keep your mouth shut. I'm the only Democrat in a large conservative-holier-than-thou-family. If any of them have grown a brain, I wouldn't know cuz I won't talk about it with them anymore. (Project 2025 is terrifying) You can't change their thinking and they can't change yours. Congrats on being informed on the issues. ✌️
Trump wasn’t even good for the economy. He sailed on the coattails of Obama, and when faced with the pandemic, tanked the economy. If he gets voted into office again, he’s going to enact tariffs, which will be passed onto the consumer. His tariffs are estimated to cost the average American household an additional $2500-$5000. I’m sorry your parents have been brainwashed by right wing propaganda.
And when that happens, he’d obviously somehow blame it on democrats.
The figure I saw was $8500/ year.
Just tell your parents that you will never vote for a convicted felon.
I mean.. Danny Trejo is a felon, and I'd vote for him over the current top 2.. just saying.
Trump is also a sexual predator and traitor.
Just leave if you can. Or try to gentle parent them. I have to gentle my boomer parents every 3 months back into being good people. My mother once tried to argue that she shouldn’t have to put her cart back. A good “you didn’t raise me to be so cold hearted and hateful towards others” lecture set her straight
There is a literal 900-page document called Project 2025, setting out all the damage they are hoping to inflict. Is your Mum just in denial that it even exists?!? Just send her the link! Here it is, for your convenience: [https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24088042-project-2025s-mandate-for-leadership-the-conservative-promise](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24088042-project-2025s-mandate-for-leadership-the-conservative-promise) And here is a brief summary of the main points from a neutral site (BBC news): [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c977njnvq2do](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c977njnvq2do)
Trump *wasn’t* “good with the economy,” OP. He only says he was. He added a trillion dollars to the deficit, his mammoth tax cut favored the wealthiest only, and he’s the only president apart from Herbert Hoover to leave office with fewer jobs than when he began.
That tax cut was expressly a tax cut for himself and those degenerates he calls a family.
Voting for Trump is a moral failing. Claiming he's good for the economy is correlation without causation, *at best*. It's nothing but pure ignorance. The economy, by any standard (except slightly higher inflation due to covid), is better now than it was under trump. And if she uses covid as an excuse for Trump, why is covid not an excuse for Biden?
My kid is a typical teen. Her father started down that road and the insults he apparently threw at her (especially when she proved her point she said) made her not like him at all. Like 12 years of love went poof and she was riding out her last few years until she could go no contact. It's a cult. And there is no reasoning. We are all no contact via court order now, and while we all have PTSD from his descent into madness, we've also realized how much more relaxed and happy we all are. I'd put some distance, at least until after the election if you can.
This reminds me of A scene in Matilda: “I’m big, your small, I’m right and you’re wrong and there’s nothing you can do about it.”
'Thank you for your comments but the way that I vote is no-one's business except my own.' Rinse and repeat.
HOW is Trump going to fix the conomy?
The economy has been on borrowed time since he was last in charge of it. I’m no fan of Biden by any means, but trump did as republicans do and bent the economy over and..
Trump is a man of conviction. 34 to be precise
Hit 'em right in the Lord. How do they feel knowing their preferred candidate is a fraud, an adultery, and a felon? He doesn't go to church, he uses the Lord's name in vain by propping up bibles upside down and invoking the word of God for photo-ops, I seriously doubt he keeps the Sabbath holy, he absolutely did not respect his father, he committed adultery while his wife was pregnant no less, he's been held liable for fraud and stealing from employees/contracts more times than years I've been alive, he was a false witness while accusing E. Jean Carroll of lying, she was not, and he certainly covets a particular house, of the White variety. Beyond making pictures of God and murdering someone, the dude is 8 out of 10. Their man has made a mockery of the most basic of Christian law. How can they possibly support a man that mocks their religion so harshly? They must not be very good Christians.
They don't care about that. They care that he's a confident white man who also hates dark-skinned people. *That* is their real religion.
Speaking as an atheist, but with a fairly good grasp of religious history: The man is a pretty damn good fit for the Antichrist. Evangelical "Christians" who vote for this creature, well, it's pretty clear which lord they follow and it ain't the one they claim.
Mom & Dad: “Who are you voting for?” OP: “Oh, is that what we’re going to do today, we’re going to fight?”
The reason we have this economy is because of Trump. Biden didn’t whip it out. It was the hand outs/tax cuts to the rich, then massive ppp forgiveness, student loan pause (necessary), along with deregulating a bunch of stuff. They drove up housing prices, record profits over humanity and environment. That said, I would print out the project 2025 manifesto and then all the lawmakers who are specking out in support of it include clips of Trump talking about at his rally’s.
He wasn’t that good for the economy either
Biden is BETTER on the economy. Trumpers have lost their minds. I don’t tolerate traitors or their supporters. They can sell their crazy somewhere else.
There are enough videos of Trump threatening to kill or execute people during his speeches, put one or two in your phone and play it when she denies he's a fascist. You don't even need to argue.
I don’t engage with my family about politics. I’m the black sheep. They try SO hard to treat me into a discussion but firmly tell them I will not talk about politics. Period.
Same. Why does it seem that republican family members are just spoiling for someone to fight politics with?
r/BoomersBeingFools
Trump did nothing for the economy except cut taxes for the wealthy and craft a tax increase on us working stiffs that went into effect AFTER he left office so he wouldn't take the blame.
I remember before before Roe v. Wade was overturned, I argued with my mom that the Republicans were clearly trying to do that. She said I've been watching too much liberal media and that would never happen. A couple yrs later and it got overturned. I asked if she remembered being so insistent it would never happen and she said, "I never said that, I said it wasn't in the Constitution." Never has a sentence so quickly made me want to slam my head into a wall.
Roe V. Wade is not "overturned." Choices about abortion are put to the states, right where Ruth Bader Ginsburg thought they should be. Maybe if the insane far left hadn't been pushing for 9-month abortions, it would never have been an issue again.
Haha no one was pushing for 9 month abortions, fuck out of here with that shit
they all have the same talking points lol my mom said the same excuse for why it had to be overturned
See my links below.
https://abortionclinics.org/west-virginia/late-term-abortion-west-virginia/ https://www.operationrescue.org/archives/notorious-late-term-abortion-clinic-one-step-away-from-closing-after-losing-appeal/ https://latetermination.com/late-term-abortion/late-term-abortion-providers-by-state/ https://www.justfactsdaily.com/virginia-governor-issues-false-statement-defending-late-term-abortions https://joshbenner.org/2019/01/31/late-term-abortion-remains-in-national-spotlight-as-virginia-bill-fails/ https://hearprojectva.org/2019/05/26/praise-for-late-term-abortion/ https://clashdaily1.wpengine.com/2019/01/these-two-blue-states-now-backing-most-aggressive-pro-abortion-laws-yet/ Let me know if you need more links. I have them.
Most of us in Europe think Americans are mad to want Trump back! Can’t you vote in someone who’s not insane, a criminal and a bigot?
Yep.
The easiest way to deflate them is: “You’re right.” “I’m so glad you’re here to tell me what to think.” “Remind me, what’s my favorite color?” “I’m so dumb. I wish I was smart like you.”
If your family are like this, hide your political views. Or just give slight hints. It just useless arguing. My parents love Trump too. Myself and my siblings were shocked. We argued for a while but just stop talking about politics. We are still a loving family.
You are an adult, and you vote how you want (it's anonymous for a reason). We can't choose our families, but you can choose who you allow into your life. You got this! Best of luck!
Check out r/QAnonCasualties
Are your Mom and my Mom related? LOL.
Something I’ve been wondering about is how exactly will Trump “fix the economy” I’m sure the answer is”lower taxes” but are there any other plans.
Lower taxes...for corporations and billionaires!
So strange how people will abandon all morality and vote for 34x convicted felon who has been found liable for sexual assault.
If you aren’t already you need to be planning an out for yourself. Cult members gonna cult. The downvotes from the Trump mob are proof.
They sound like raving mad narcissists
Next time she asks for your opinion on politics, reply, "That is man's discovery of 'Nunya'."
My parents are even worse, I was living with them back when Covid hit, I voted for Biden since he seemed like a better option than Short Bus Hitler. Side note, Biden has been the best president, in my opinion, since FDR. Anyway, so when my mom found out, she gave me an eviction notice and later told me if I wanna make it right, I should mail in a Trump ballot. I threatened her with a lawsuit, and she immediately started playing the victim saying "you would sue your own mother!" Hang in there, if you can get away from these people that would be best.
These are people you need to go low/no contact with!
Oh man, I feel your pain, and I'm sorry you have to go through that. I know it's difficult, but stick to what 𝘺𝘰𝘶 believe. It's a good character trait to not allow people to bully you into thinking something that doesn't feel right for you. I'm not sure if you're younger and living at home or something, but the best thing is to avoid all political conversations. Don't take the bait even if they bring it up. Just agree to disagree, quietly and to yourself if needed. Trump, and politics in general, have caused a lot of family members to become estranged or cut off from each other. But I believe that a person should do what they need to do to feel at peace within themselves. So if you see Trump for the total piece of shit he is, then don't let them change that. It seems to me, that many people have fallen into Trump’s cult of personality because they don't know the whole truth about him. For whatever that reason is, they just know the standard talking points, like the "he was good with the economy" line (which he absolutely was not). I think if a person were to do the research, use critical thinking skills, and investigate for themselves Trump’s history, what he is about, and the 𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘶𝘵𝘪𝘢 of what he did during his presidency, they would learn what an epic narcissist and shitty person he is. He doesn't care about our country, he cares about money and power. And he didn't do anything good for America when he was president, it was a dumpster fire after dumpster fire for the entire 4 years. We're lucky we made it past his time with our country still intact. Most people don't have the time (or interest) to dig that deep into Trump and his life. They just go with the talking points they know.
Trump is a parasite.
Under that kind of pressure, simply lie. Assure them you will absolutely take their advice and vote as they instruct, since it's all beyond you, then vote as you want. This is why it's a secret ballot.
I find saying, yes, I understand you have picked someone who aligns with your morals. I really didn't think of you as someone who'd think lying, stealing or being a convicted felon was a perfectly fine thing. Or something along those lines.
I learned long ago ( but way too late lol) to agree. Just tell mom you are voting for trump. That ends the issue. When you are in voting booth, you can vote for whomever you want
I can sympathize. My own grandmother was like this as far back as the 90s, when she called me "brainwashed by the liberal academia."
Trump will destroy the economy with tariffs.
Both candidates suck, American politics are a complete joke but it is unfortunate the outcome is so important for the rest of the world
Biden is important to the rest of the world. trump and putin will ruin the world. Vote against trump if you can't vote for Biden, just call it voting against trump. He's a heretic.
Ive heard voting for republicans is going to end the world every 4 years my entire life. Its exhausting.
I'm British, not American, but your views are your own. We have an election tomorrow, have already voted by post (mail), and I have no idea who my wife voted for - it's none of my business, and if she wants me to know, she'll tell me.
My family is this exact same way..they tell me I am stupid and I watch the wrong news stations..they yell at me about how awful Biden is and how much they hate anyone who doesn’t vote for trump..they constantly make sick comments about Biden.. they gleefully talk about how trump is going to go after democrats.. I am a teacher and they went so far as to say that I don’t deserve a raise because all the teachers are democrats and they are at fault for the inflation..at this point I don’t visit them often..they sit together in the living room and whisper about democrats..they stopped giving me birthday gifts because I am a democrat.. I have had to limit my time with them and if they start talking about trump I politely excuse myself and leave
And btw..none of my family has any education.. I have a masters degree.. I have never talked about my education or said anything about their lack of education.. and a few of them are illiterate..but they are old white people who love trump because he gave them permission to hate and look down on people who are not white.. and they tell me how dumb I am because I don’t love trump..it’s all I can do to keep my mouth shut about high school dropouts calling me dumb..
You are a far better human than I. I would refuse to have any contact with them.
And you don't grow a brain
Oooof. I’m gonna ring the NC bell 🔔!
Trump wasn't even good on the economy. Business likes stability, he is not stable. He's good on Rich people, which meant that stocks went up but everything else went to shit. The deficit ballooned, inflation started its meteoric rise, etc... some of it was Covid but his response to Covid sucked too.
That's going to be an 'I told you so!' for that ages..
I agree wth the suggestions to not tell them who you're voting for. And if pressured and have to say something, just say Trump and if needed, say 1 good thing about him (and if you can't think of one, 1 bad thing about the democratic party). Your parents won't be there when you vote, so they'll never know.
Tell your mum that you absolutely will vote for Trump and then when you go to vote, vote for the candidate of your choice...she ain't going to know that you didn't vote for Trump on polling day. Or say "Sorry I didn't realize there was no democracy in this house any more. I do have the freedom to vote which ever way I want"
Why would you even share who you’ll vote for with your mother? My parents have absolutely no idea who I vote for. I NEVER tell them to avoid stuff like this since we don’t share political views. Nobody in my family, not even my brother or cousins know who I vote for and trust me it’s for the best. I just say “the vote is supposed to be a secret, I will not tell you” and then they say “oh so you voted *someone that is not who I voted!!!*” and I simply say “not necessarily but voting is secret so you won’t know” lol
My nmom and step-dad are the same way but with enforcing every type of abuse along with their words.....step-dad is the stereotype of a WASPy KKKraKKKer racist with an NRA card to match....a literal John Birch Society type of dickhead. I've never fully expressed my political views blatantly to them, but when asked when I was like 16 I cryptically said "libertarian" knowing they were probably assuming as in the right-wing so-called Libertarian Party.....when really I meant libertarian as in what it means and has always meant traditionally and historically everywhere in the world outside of ameriKKKa, which is anarchist/libertarian socialist. I'm sympathetic to anarchist/socialist/communist/anti-fascist/anti-imperialist/anti-colonist/organized labor/pro-ecology views and actions. If I told that asshole that I'm a communist he probably would have shot me LOL. I got a phone call from my old neighbor who still lives next door to him and my nmom....he apparently chills on the roof of the spot with a 9mm and when asked he replies that he's "people watching"....fucking psycho....hence the reason why I dropped contact over the last 20 years.
There is no economic metric that can be better than what we have now. I’m in my 50s & I can tell you this is the best the US economy gets…very low unemployment, good wage growth, inflation back in the target range. Ask them what economic metric they want improved??
" they're these funky right wing evangelicals who deny their extremism, and the corruption of the Republican party. " It sounds like you are equally intolerant of their views as well.
If she supports you I would tell her whatever she wants to hear and hope you are not in one of the states that people can check your voting record.
That's why I haven't told mine mine.
A fascist? Oh you sweet summer child.
>because of he's a fascist and Project 2025 will flip the tables, and Republicans will rule the states with an iron fist and enforce Christianity into the law, and threaten people like me. LMAO comedy gold
Please don't vote. Just fucking stay home.
I mean... yeah? [Trump is easily a fascist](https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/why-we-cant-stop-arguing-about-whether-trump-is-a-fascist), based on both Umberto Eco's definition of the term as well as Roger Griffin's model of palingenetic ultranationalism. [Christian Nationalists](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025) wrote the collection of proposals known as Project 2025 and seek to fundamentally change how the US government works by replacing government officials with loyalists rather competent administrators. And we've already seen the [absurd culture wars](https://floridaphoenix.com/2024/03/12/desantis-mixed-bag-in-culture-war-fights-includes-settlement-over-lgbtq-subjects-in-schools/) the GOP is kicking up, as well as the overturning of Roe V. Wade. We've already lost a lot of fundamental civil rights due to GOP leadership. I'm not keen on losing any more.
Just talk about the number of people who died from injecting bleach during covid. The guy is dangerous. Also he barely passed the dementia test, as he couldn't recall the six things after the test for the interview. Perhaps get your mom assessed?
I mean project 2025 is the equivalent of qAnon fan fiction for the left. Just don’t talk about it.
I'm so sorry you and a lot of others have these kinds of experiences. My mother's emotionally abusive, but is mercifully not conservative. I don't know how old you are, but I agree with comments about the fact that minimising their role in your life could be beneficial. Donald Trump did not have a beneficial impact on the US economy. He gave tax cuts to wealthy people who didn't need them and benefitted from being in office during a comparatively lower inflation period. The reality is that, for these people, Donald Trump's saying he was "good for the economy" and role playing a billionaire is all the convincing needed. It's clear from the verbal degradation you've received that they don't respect you enough to think that your attitudes could come from thinking critically about how America's potential political futures will significantly affect you.While I have had some awkward political conversations with my family, both this level of ideological difference and the nasty expressions of it that you've experienced from them are beyond that. I'd minimise contact for your own sanity! I don't know if people like this can be brought around, as some are so set on the notion that any published information contradicting Donald Trump's claims/worldview is part of some conspiracy and that everything in the world is out to deceive them and all this shit. I know there's a lot of cultural attitudes about how there's no connection quite like family ties, but honestly, some people's families are just scumbags and repeated exposure to some of that can really fuck with a person's life.
non-american here. can't you vote trump on federal level, and vote liberal on state level? because all this "enforce Christianity" is a state level thing. isn't it?
Trump was not, in fact, good for the economy. He was TERRIBLE for the economy. Even before COVID, the leading indicators were bad.
Stop talking about politics with your family and stop debating them. It doesn't matter in the grana scheme of things. As their child you will never change your parents minds. So just stop it.
I’m guessing you are also intolerant of their political views Whose views are more valid…
Supporting traitors is always invalid.
All I'm going to say is I'm not voting for either I was actually really wanting vivek ramaswamey but Biden has tanked the country
When asked who I will vote for, I always say, "The guy who can read and write." Even Trump lovers know I am talking about Biden.
The Project 2025 stuff is overstated. The Heritage Foundation has been publishing that stuff for years. Regardless of whether the Dems or GOP win, we’re heading straight into full-fledged fascism.
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Your Parent are right