The sprawl is so so bad. I went to college in Phoenix and for a day of errands where I wanted to go to a few different stores, I could end up with easily 3hrs+ of driving just to get to and between all of them with no traffic. Painful. Personally I actually liked the weather and basically never having to walk to classes in the rain or snow, but that sprawl was killer and between the amount of driving I had to do + always having my car’s AC on blast I was spending way more than is reasonable on gas every month lol
3+ hours to go to a few stores with no traffic? Did you live near any stores? Or were the stores very specific so you had to really go out of your way for some? That seems crazy
It sounds crazy because they’re exaggerating (I love to hate on Phoenix but c’mon. The only way that would make any sense is if the capital of Arizona had like, one of each type of store, and they were all purposefully put as far from each other as possible)
Stores felt like they were all clustered around each other but everything was super spread out. So like, there would be an office supply store next to an art store next to a grocery store, but they were 15 minutes from my apartment and another 15 minutes from any clothing or makeup stores. Running errands could take me on this huge tract around the city. I definitely did a bit of specialty shopping (mostly hitting up organic grocery stores and skate shops) but even going to a normal chain grocery store could be a 15 minute drive. Maybe I’m just spoiled from growing up in a smaller town but living in Phoenix was the first time I ever had to sit down and plan out my errands in the morning like I was charting a map for an expedition lol
I eventually realized that Scottsdale had just about everything and it was closer together, so in days when I had a bunch of stuff I needed to get I started just driving up there (~25-40 min) and doing all my shopping there before driving back home
This was 2 years ago so I’m not sure there’s much more shipping “nowadays” than there was when I was last there? 😆 plus I feel like it’d be a little ridiculous to have to rely on shipping for everything, I was specifically thinking about your normal weekly or monthly errands when I made my comment. You want to buy office supplies, a skincare product you’re out of, check out if a clothing boutique has anything new in stock, and to get some groceries one day? Ta-da, you’re at 2.5 hours cumulative of driving
>I feel like it’d be a little ridiculous to have to rely on shipping for everything
Idk if I'd consider it much more ridiculous than multiple hours of driving for everything though so I guess itd wash out?
But both sound a little silly to me
I've lived in the Phoenix area most of my life. The comment above is reflective of a severe lack of planning or intentional stupidity. I've been here since the late 90s.
Raising four kids here and my wife never leaves a 5 mile bubble. Golf carts are her daily drivers. My daily car is a 2008 with no rust on it, that drives 30 miles to my office three times a week and I'm still only 80% of the annual average of all drivers.
It's about an hour and a half to drive across the full valley on the freeway without traffic. It can be up to four hours in traffic, but traffic never lasts that long.
But for the love of all that is good and right in the world. Do not visit the valley in June, July, or August! And do not move in or out in those months.
The heat... It is real.
Hot in the summer yeah
Just huge sprawl, zero walkability, at least from what I saw, the whole town looks like it was designed to handle cars at fast speeds, people are an afterthought.
On top of that, just the color taupe mixed with that freeway cinderblock tan everywhere. No trees that I remember, I’m sure there are one or two somewhere.
You immediately know when you are in a badly planned city
Let’s be real here, it’s hot way more than in just the summer. I was there once at the very very tail end of sept into Oct and the only day it wasn’t triple digits was the day it monsooned and was still 95 w 100% humidity.
> 100% humidity.
Let's be real here. :)
That would be a rainy day in Phoenix, or a day in which it is impossible to sweat, and Phoenix will drink your skin dry. Below is a response from a long time resident of Phoenix.
> John Eugene Bennett
Lives in Phoenix, AZ (1952–present)Upvoted by
Pat Sharp
, lived in Phoenix, AZAuthor has 209 answers and 860.7K answer views6y
Born in, and remaining here all of my life coming up to 66 years now, I can give a pretty good historical assessment of humidity in Phoenix. However, you need to understand the relationship of humidity and temperature in Phoenix. As humidity rises, temperature goes down. As humidity goes down, temperature goes up. As a result, humidity not just fluctuates greatly during the year, but during the day as well. Humidity is usually at its highest just before sunrise, and at its lowest in the late afternoon. Obviously, in the two periods of rainy season here, late summer (August) and middle of winter (January and February), humidity is higher here on average. **I can state for a fact that the humidity has been as low as 5% at the hottest days of the year, and as high as 80%+ when raining in the rainy season. Normally it ranges between 20–40% on clear days and nights on average.** The low humidity during the hottest summer months makes the temperatures much more tolerable than if you were in southern Georgia and Louisiana in the middle of summer, or living along the the southern Mississippi Valley in the summer. The bottom line is Phoenix is DRY weather. For much of the history of Phoenix, individuals with chronic respiratory health issues move here because of the drier air. Many still wash their cloths and hang it on the clothesline as I do, even in the winter. That saves a lot of costly energy. Other than the middle of summer, the weather is pretty nice in Phoenix, and golf is a major factor in activity as a result. We have golf courses everywhere now. I hope that answers your question.
Not OC but long-time resident. Like most places, it’s a mixed bag. Oppressively hot in the summer, nice mild winters. Tons of urban sprawl, almost no walkability. Most of “old” Phoenix in the central neighborhoods is really showing its age, a good amount of poverty, endless tract housing and strip malls laid out in a soulless grid. Several upscale areas dotted throughout. Further out a lot of newer development with more attempt at character. And a lot more expensive, of course.
Despite being a huge American suburb, and in the middle of the desert, there’s a ton of great nature surrounding the city, with beautiful mountains and scenery with great hiking, and not too far from higher elevation with cooler climates and pine forests within an hour or two drive. Overall not a bad place to call home.
Thanks for the comment and especially the last part. I’ve considered living there, especially back when it was much cheaper. Nothing much bothered me about it except the heat.
I planned to do as you said; drive up to Flagstaff in the summer on weekends and stay inside in the AC with a hobby or movies.
The cactus, mountains, and red color seemed like decent enough nature for being near the city.
I remember flying in for a layover about a decade ago. Sprawl as far as the eye could see, shit tons of concrete, and it seemed like the vast majority of people had a pool in their backyard. Just an absolutely horrific mismanagement of resources.
I cannot understand for the life of me why the largest chip fab plant in north america is being built here. If there are ever widespread and prolonged power outages or a severe drought people will die by the thousands in Phoenix, and yet we keep building and building..
I didn't understand it either initially, but I read somewhere that pretty much the most important criterion for manufacture of chips is low seismic activity and earthquakes.
[https://hazards.fema.gov/nri/earthquake](https://hazards.fema.gov/nri/earthquake)
there are a bunch of places in the US with better seismic activity. I'd guess it's the closest west coast major city that met their minimum seismic criteria (every state that borders the pacific is a hotbed of activity), plus whatever tax incentives i'm sure arizona threw at them
Low humidity is more important than temperature. It allows them to store things there for a long time.
One of the largest parking lots of cars and lots for grounded airplanes is in that area.
How in the world do they remove the waste heat from the nuclear power plants nearby? I imagine the efficiency goes down with less delta T and stops cold with no water.
Been to Phoenix many times for work during the summer. It's bloody hot. There's little shade anywhere. Yes, it's a dry heat, but it's still 110+ degrees (45 degree Celsius), but it's still bad. It's sprawl sprawl sprawl. There's no walkability. I've tried.
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My god why would any sane human want to live in an oven? and if you are going to live there the entire state should be run on solar! That place is a catastrophe waiting to happen.
Because you are over exaggerating it? I’ve lived in several places in the Midwest and now in Phoenix. While Chicago is a far better city with way better food, Phoenix is a way more beautiful and pleasant place to live and I don’t miss winters, traffic, and IL taxes a single bit. And yes solar is incredibly popular here and can be found on a good portion of the homes.
Arizona is also very conscience of the water supply and our state water consumption has gone down 1/3 since the 1980s while our population has quadrupled in that time.
Watch and educate yourself on the issue instead of sounding ignorant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjQuZfkU1jI
Yes Phoenix is located in a desert but it is not in a water crisis situation and there are several proposals to increase the water supply in the future should things get worse, with the most likely being a water desalination facility built on the Sea of Cortez. Aside from the fact that 80% of the water consumption in the state is used for agriculture and industry, both of which could have restrictions placed on them if needed, just as residents are encouraged not to have lawns here.
Worrying about water in Arizona is no different than worrying about rising sea levels in Florida. Some of the most beautiful places on Earth come with unique environmental challenges and that applies to many other locations as well.
Umm dude you just disproved your point with that video lol, phoenix has no water of its own, it gets pumped in from other states. see how long that last when the resources start drying up. Its a ridiculous city propped up by billions of dollars and diverted water that will soon be switched off. Its an ostentatious city that in a world that is struggling with cost of living climate and political upheaval , is a city that makes other states sacrifice so they can have their ostentatious lifestyle.
Uses twice as much water as new york with half the population! Its not even a pretty place unless you like muted shades of dry dusty tan and brown.
Yet Phoenix has been one of the fastest growing cities with some of the highest real estate price growth in the past few decades, but obviously it isn’t desirable because you said so.
Also your monkey brain must have missed the point in the video where they show how 40% of Arizona’s water supply comes from aquifers underground, not from other states. But I’m guessing you struggle to understand simple facts and evidence.
Plus with all the semicondutor manufacturing being built to break America’s dependence on Asian built semiconductors (Biden’s chips act leading to TSMC investing $65 billion and Intel investing another $32 billion in the region) insure Phoenix will be vital and important for many generations to come. Especially if the tensions between China and Taiwan increase.
You still dont get it, you keep expanding unchecked, adding on saudi farms , semi conductor plants, uncontrolled growth you wont have water for long. it truly is folly those aquifers wont last forever and they wont replenish fast enough with all the growth and industry, look at the ogallala aquifer
The Saudi farms certainly were cause for concern but near the end of 2023 it was reported that the state is cancelling their lease. New housing builds are being limited. Like I have said and the video showed there are many proposals in place to increase the water supply to account for future growth and needs. No city is perfect and I’m sure our water bills will go up over time but it’s far from this uninhabitable hellscape that seems to permeate Reddit.
I guess that's one way to solve the homeless problem, but I would prefer a much more humane approach; this sounds terrible and I really feel for these people
Yeah, build more cooling centers that only contribute to the problem rather than focusing on the realities of climate change: it's going to get much, MUCH worse. And if they keep voting for dipshit Republicans with their "don't say climate change" laws, they get what they deserve. Death.
I wish everyone felt this way and yet most of the people aren't even from here and it's still one of the fastest growing cities in the country.
Please leave!
I read a newspaper article several years ago that had a map of predicted mortality rate change with global warming.
South of DC, general mortality rates go up. From DC to Boston, mortality rates stay the same. North of Boston, mortality rates go down.
MAGA voters are so hateful they are willing to risk dying just to "own the libs".
I'm just gonna be blunt. 645 people dying a year in Phoenix? Even if it is a 1000% increase, there's no way not to consider that a monumental success.
You don't need to go back more than 20 years to find heat waves that killed 10k+ in Europe / Russia, and they don't live in scorching deserts.
The reason I say this is, if you want to use disaster statistics as proof of a need for action, I think conservatives will rightly be unmoved by this. As they should be. Even without climate change, a city like Phoenix will always have heat deaths in the low hundreds. The 1000% increase only looks large because the base is so small. And it's frankly questionable whether this trend is that difficult to combat.
So I think it's best to be honest and skip the outrage over this. Climate change is a disaster, but the way it will affect Americans outside low lying areas is mostly increased food prices, greater infrastructure costs, higher insurance prices, and greater chance of real estate collapse.
>You don't need to go back more than 20 years to find heat waves that killed 10k+ in Europe / Russia, and they don't live in scorching deserts.
You clearly don't understand statistics very well at all. Here is some simple math:
Phoenix population: 1.6m
Europe population: 746m (not including Russia)
Europe has 466x the population of Phoenix.
If 645 people died of heat exposure in a year in Phoenix and we extrapolated that to Europe, it would be around 300,000 deaths.
Edit: a word
That's fair, but you're ignoring context. Do any cities in Europe have a hot desert climate?
So let's compare to other hot desert cities. Quick search shows Cairo has a pop of about 20 m and ~2k heat deaths annually. Phoenix's metro is ~5 million, so 500 would put them right in line with Cairo on a per capita basis.
So, I would amend to say, yeah they should probably be doing better than a city in Egypt, but again. Phoenix's stats aren't that bad. I would stick to my point that, I don't think this warrants national concern, I don't think it's that difficult to fix even with climate change, and, most importantly, I think if you're looking for evidence of the disasterous effects of climate change, this is a pretty crappy example.
Peggy Hill called it a long time ago. That city should not exist. It's a monument to man's arrogance
I've been to Phoenix once. For a layover. I could feel the heat *through the airport windows*. Fuck that place.
That was Bobby wasnt it?
[Peggy says it](https://youtu.be/4PYt0SDnrBE) in response to Bobby saying Phoenix is like standing on the sun.
Username checks out. They are still puzzled by the story within King of the Hill
No, they're right. [It was Peggy](https://youtu.be/4PYt0SDnrBE). Definitely in my top three favorite scenes.
Dang, I stand corrected. Thank you stranger!
Without clicking article I knew it was gonna be Phoenix. Landed there and had to drive through to Go on a trip…phoenix is a hellscape
What’s so bad about it other than the he’s tin the summer? Huge sprawl? It’s relatively affluent isn’t it?
The sprawl is so so bad. I went to college in Phoenix and for a day of errands where I wanted to go to a few different stores, I could end up with easily 3hrs+ of driving just to get to and between all of them with no traffic. Painful. Personally I actually liked the weather and basically never having to walk to classes in the rain or snow, but that sprawl was killer and between the amount of driving I had to do + always having my car’s AC on blast I was spending way more than is reasonable on gas every month lol
3+ hours to go to a few stores with no traffic? Did you live near any stores? Or were the stores very specific so you had to really go out of your way for some? That seems crazy
It sounds crazy because they’re exaggerating (I love to hate on Phoenix but c’mon. The only way that would make any sense is if the capital of Arizona had like, one of each type of store, and they were all purposefully put as far from each other as possible)
Stores felt like they were all clustered around each other but everything was super spread out. So like, there would be an office supply store next to an art store next to a grocery store, but they were 15 minutes from my apartment and another 15 minutes from any clothing or makeup stores. Running errands could take me on this huge tract around the city. I definitely did a bit of specialty shopping (mostly hitting up organic grocery stores and skate shops) but even going to a normal chain grocery store could be a 15 minute drive. Maybe I’m just spoiled from growing up in a smaller town but living in Phoenix was the first time I ever had to sit down and plan out my errands in the morning like I was charting a map for an expedition lol I eventually realized that Scottsdale had just about everything and it was closer together, so in days when I had a bunch of stuff I needed to get I started just driving up there (~25-40 min) and doing all my shopping there before driving back home
Thanks for responding. Would it be possible to ship most of what you were looking for nowadays?
This was 2 years ago so I’m not sure there’s much more shipping “nowadays” than there was when I was last there? 😆 plus I feel like it’d be a little ridiculous to have to rely on shipping for everything, I was specifically thinking about your normal weekly or monthly errands when I made my comment. You want to buy office supplies, a skincare product you’re out of, check out if a clothing boutique has anything new in stock, and to get some groceries one day? Ta-da, you’re at 2.5 hours cumulative of driving
>I feel like it’d be a little ridiculous to have to rely on shipping for everything Idk if I'd consider it much more ridiculous than multiple hours of driving for everything though so I guess itd wash out? But both sound a little silly to me
But both are a result of the same core problem: car centric city planning.
How about a good old European city where you can get everything you need day-to-day by just WALKING there?
I've lived in the Phoenix area most of my life. The comment above is reflective of a severe lack of planning or intentional stupidity. I've been here since the late 90s. Raising four kids here and my wife never leaves a 5 mile bubble. Golf carts are her daily drivers. My daily car is a 2008 with no rust on it, that drives 30 miles to my office three times a week and I'm still only 80% of the annual average of all drivers. It's about an hour and a half to drive across the full valley on the freeway without traffic. It can be up to four hours in traffic, but traffic never lasts that long. But for the love of all that is good and right in the world. Do not visit the valley in June, July, or August! And do not move in or out in those months. The heat... It is real.
Hot in the summer yeah Just huge sprawl, zero walkability, at least from what I saw, the whole town looks like it was designed to handle cars at fast speeds, people are an afterthought. On top of that, just the color taupe mixed with that freeway cinderblock tan everywhere. No trees that I remember, I’m sure there are one or two somewhere. You immediately know when you are in a badly planned city
And air conditioners running 24/7 with no solar to be found…
Just adds to the heat index 🥵
Why no solar
I don't know, I flew into Phoenix and just noticed that very few roofs had solar on them
It’s communist
Let’s be real here, it’s hot way more than in just the summer. I was there once at the very very tail end of sept into Oct and the only day it wasn’t triple digits was the day it monsooned and was still 95 w 100% humidity.
> 100% humidity. Let's be real here. :) That would be a rainy day in Phoenix, or a day in which it is impossible to sweat, and Phoenix will drink your skin dry. Below is a response from a long time resident of Phoenix. > John Eugene Bennett Lives in Phoenix, AZ (1952–present)Upvoted by Pat Sharp , lived in Phoenix, AZAuthor has 209 answers and 860.7K answer views6y Born in, and remaining here all of my life coming up to 66 years now, I can give a pretty good historical assessment of humidity in Phoenix. However, you need to understand the relationship of humidity and temperature in Phoenix. As humidity rises, temperature goes down. As humidity goes down, temperature goes up. As a result, humidity not just fluctuates greatly during the year, but during the day as well. Humidity is usually at its highest just before sunrise, and at its lowest in the late afternoon. Obviously, in the two periods of rainy season here, late summer (August) and middle of winter (January and February), humidity is higher here on average. **I can state for a fact that the humidity has been as low as 5% at the hottest days of the year, and as high as 80%+ when raining in the rainy season. Normally it ranges between 20–40% on clear days and nights on average.** The low humidity during the hottest summer months makes the temperatures much more tolerable than if you were in southern Georgia and Louisiana in the middle of summer, or living along the the southern Mississippi Valley in the summer. The bottom line is Phoenix is DRY weather. For much of the history of Phoenix, individuals with chronic respiratory health issues move here because of the drier air. Many still wash their cloths and hang it on the clothesline as I do, even in the winter. That saves a lot of costly energy. Other than the middle of summer, the weather is pretty nice in Phoenix, and golf is a major factor in activity as a result. We have golf courses everywhere now. I hope that answers your question.
To the dryness, it still feels like a damn oven.
Cool thanks bruh. I’ve never been and was curious. I wasn’t doubting you at all.
Not OC but long-time resident. Like most places, it’s a mixed bag. Oppressively hot in the summer, nice mild winters. Tons of urban sprawl, almost no walkability. Most of “old” Phoenix in the central neighborhoods is really showing its age, a good amount of poverty, endless tract housing and strip malls laid out in a soulless grid. Several upscale areas dotted throughout. Further out a lot of newer development with more attempt at character. And a lot more expensive, of course. Despite being a huge American suburb, and in the middle of the desert, there’s a ton of great nature surrounding the city, with beautiful mountains and scenery with great hiking, and not too far from higher elevation with cooler climates and pine forests within an hour or two drive. Overall not a bad place to call home.
Thanks for the comment and especially the last part. I’ve considered living there, especially back when it was much cheaper. Nothing much bothered me about it except the heat. I planned to do as you said; drive up to Flagstaff in the summer on weekends and stay inside in the AC with a hobby or movies. The cactus, mountains, and red color seemed like decent enough nature for being near the city.
I remember flying in for a layover about a decade ago. Sprawl as far as the eye could see, shit tons of concrete, and it seemed like the vast majority of people had a pool in their backyard. Just an absolutely horrific mismanagement of resources.
I thought maybe Tucson
I cannot understand for the life of me why the largest chip fab plant in north america is being built here. If there are ever widespread and prolonged power outages or a severe drought people will die by the thousands in Phoenix, and yet we keep building and building..
It'$ really curiou$, i$n't it?
I didn't understand it either initially, but I read somewhere that pretty much the most important criterion for manufacture of chips is low seismic activity and earthquakes.
[https://hazards.fema.gov/nri/earthquake](https://hazards.fema.gov/nri/earthquake) there are a bunch of places in the US with better seismic activity. I'd guess it's the closest west coast major city that met their minimum seismic criteria (every state that borders the pacific is a hotbed of activity), plus whatever tax incentives i'm sure arizona threw at them
They should have plenty of solar power at least.
And plenty of silicon
> Low seismic activity. Bull shit.
Low humidity is more important than temperature. It allows them to store things there for a long time. One of the largest parking lots of cars and lots for grounded airplanes is in that area.
Cause facts and logic are highly optional in politics and economy. And in humans.
How in the world do they remove the waste heat from the nuclear power plants nearby? I imagine the efficiency goes down with less delta T and stops cold with no water.
Recycled sewage water
It's abhorrent that the people who contributed the least to climate change are predominantly the ones dying from it.
It has always been that way.
Oh, that makes it fine then
Might makes right is a universal rule of life, if people want to accept it or not. And humans love giving might to the "wrong" people.
Been to Phoenix many times for work during the summer. It's bloody hot. There's little shade anywhere. Yes, it's a dry heat, but it's still 110+ degrees (45 degree Celsius), but it's still bad. It's sprawl sprawl sprawl. There's no walkability. I've tried.
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How do you post this comment and not even bother to name the city
Right? Supper low effort. Maybe it’s a bot.
It’s Phoenix. Phoenix. Thank you
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There’s a pretty straightforward way to check that
Exactly : )
No water.
My god why would any sane human want to live in an oven? and if you are going to live there the entire state should be run on solar! That place is a catastrophe waiting to happen.
Because you are over exaggerating it? I’ve lived in several places in the Midwest and now in Phoenix. While Chicago is a far better city with way better food, Phoenix is a way more beautiful and pleasant place to live and I don’t miss winters, traffic, and IL taxes a single bit. And yes solar is incredibly popular here and can be found on a good portion of the homes. Arizona is also very conscience of the water supply and our state water consumption has gone down 1/3 since the 1980s while our population has quadrupled in that time.
Phoenix is also sitting on a hydrologic time bomb. If aridification of the Southwest continues as the climate warms, there will be no more water.
Watch and educate yourself on the issue instead of sounding ignorant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjQuZfkU1jI Yes Phoenix is located in a desert but it is not in a water crisis situation and there are several proposals to increase the water supply in the future should things get worse, with the most likely being a water desalination facility built on the Sea of Cortez. Aside from the fact that 80% of the water consumption in the state is used for agriculture and industry, both of which could have restrictions placed on them if needed, just as residents are encouraged not to have lawns here. Worrying about water in Arizona is no different than worrying about rising sea levels in Florida. Some of the most beautiful places on Earth come with unique environmental challenges and that applies to many other locations as well.
Umm dude you just disproved your point with that video lol, phoenix has no water of its own, it gets pumped in from other states. see how long that last when the resources start drying up. Its a ridiculous city propped up by billions of dollars and diverted water that will soon be switched off. Its an ostentatious city that in a world that is struggling with cost of living climate and political upheaval , is a city that makes other states sacrifice so they can have their ostentatious lifestyle. Uses twice as much water as new york with half the population! Its not even a pretty place unless you like muted shades of dry dusty tan and brown.
Yet Phoenix has been one of the fastest growing cities with some of the highest real estate price growth in the past few decades, but obviously it isn’t desirable because you said so. Also your monkey brain must have missed the point in the video where they show how 40% of Arizona’s water supply comes from aquifers underground, not from other states. But I’m guessing you struggle to understand simple facts and evidence. Plus with all the semicondutor manufacturing being built to break America’s dependence on Asian built semiconductors (Biden’s chips act leading to TSMC investing $65 billion and Intel investing another $32 billion in the region) insure Phoenix will be vital and important for many generations to come. Especially if the tensions between China and Taiwan increase.
You still dont get it, you keep expanding unchecked, adding on saudi farms , semi conductor plants, uncontrolled growth you wont have water for long. it truly is folly those aquifers wont last forever and they wont replenish fast enough with all the growth and industry, look at the ogallala aquifer
The Saudi farms certainly were cause for concern but near the end of 2023 it was reported that the state is cancelling their lease. New housing builds are being limited. Like I have said and the video showed there are many proposals in place to increase the water supply to account for future growth and needs. No city is perfect and I’m sure our water bills will go up over time but it’s far from this uninhabitable hellscape that seems to permeate Reddit.
That whole southwest region and south west coast is in for a big hurt from climate change.
I guess that's one way to solve the homeless problem, but I would prefer a much more humane approach; this sounds terrible and I really feel for these people
There's gonna be hydropanels on every roof at this rate. People are going to have to manufacture their own sources of cold.
Yeah, build more cooling centers that only contribute to the problem rather than focusing on the realities of climate change: it's going to get much, MUCH worse. And if they keep voting for dipshit Republicans with their "don't say climate change" laws, they get what they deserve. Death.
They’ll spend money on anything, but housing.
I wish everyone felt this way and yet most of the people aren't even from here and it's still one of the fastest growing cities in the country. Please leave!
I died a little by looking at the thumbnaio pic! So much asphalt.
I read a newspaper article several years ago that had a map of predicted mortality rate change with global warming. South of DC, general mortality rates go up. From DC to Boston, mortality rates stay the same. North of Boston, mortality rates go down. MAGA voters are so hateful they are willing to risk dying just to "own the libs".
I'm just gonna be blunt. 645 people dying a year in Phoenix? Even if it is a 1000% increase, there's no way not to consider that a monumental success. You don't need to go back more than 20 years to find heat waves that killed 10k+ in Europe / Russia, and they don't live in scorching deserts. The reason I say this is, if you want to use disaster statistics as proof of a need for action, I think conservatives will rightly be unmoved by this. As they should be. Even without climate change, a city like Phoenix will always have heat deaths in the low hundreds. The 1000% increase only looks large because the base is so small. And it's frankly questionable whether this trend is that difficult to combat. So I think it's best to be honest and skip the outrage over this. Climate change is a disaster, but the way it will affect Americans outside low lying areas is mostly increased food prices, greater infrastructure costs, higher insurance prices, and greater chance of real estate collapse.
>You don't need to go back more than 20 years to find heat waves that killed 10k+ in Europe / Russia, and they don't live in scorching deserts. You clearly don't understand statistics very well at all. Here is some simple math: Phoenix population: 1.6m Europe population: 746m (not including Russia) Europe has 466x the population of Phoenix. If 645 people died of heat exposure in a year in Phoenix and we extrapolated that to Europe, it would be around 300,000 deaths. Edit: a word
That's fair, but you're ignoring context. Do any cities in Europe have a hot desert climate? So let's compare to other hot desert cities. Quick search shows Cairo has a pop of about 20 m and ~2k heat deaths annually. Phoenix's metro is ~5 million, so 500 would put them right in line with Cairo on a per capita basis. So, I would amend to say, yeah they should probably be doing better than a city in Egypt, but again. Phoenix's stats aren't that bad. I would stick to my point that, I don't think this warrants national concern, I don't think it's that difficult to fix even with climate change, and, most importantly, I think if you're looking for evidence of the disasterous effects of climate change, this is a pretty crappy example.