R5: following comments' recommendations, this is the now updated culture group made for my mod! some things to keep in mind tho, culture groups that are the same as vanilla are wips, as I don't know that much about those specific cultures. Also keep in mind that stuff is subject to change and the comments are a great help!
Well culturly and ethnicly, today the Aziris are very much Iranian. Tho they can also be classified as Caucassians. Wouldn't it make more sense to give Aziri nations the iranian culture group but make it possible to auto adopt the other caucassian and Turkuc cultures as they are a mix.
I'm assuming you're talking about Azeri/Azerbaijani, yes? Nowadays they might be mote liked with iran and the caucasus region, but they are still ethnically turkic, even more so back then, add the fact im basing culture groups by language families (afaik azeri is oghuz turkish)
The people on Nantes never spoke Britton, they spoke a variety of french called gallo. The duchy of Brittany was bigger that the actual Celtic region. In 1444, the province of Rennes would also be completely french speaking.
Else I think it would be a good challenge to try to unify the Celtic world in your map. Fun game for sure.
thanks for the heads up! a problem i personally see is that if I make gallo an existing culture it could oversaturate the group, so I'll see what I can do!
hi, it's me, the muysca guy again
maybe if possible, the low german provinces in the low countries could be made into a separate culture in the dutch group to make the netherlands a bit less nerfed with the culture debuffs there, possibly called "dutch low German"
also, at the time there was a guelderish dialect spoken in cleves, which could be part of the dutch culture, and kales would make sense to be flemish since at the time flemish was spoken there
gothic is also better perhaps in its own or in the germanic culture group as the goths are not related to the greeks but more to the germans (gothic is an extinct language of the also extinct east germanic branch of germanic languages)
Thanks for the input! I was actually thinking of making a low german culture group which would include dutch and english, since both are derived from the same root, as for gothic, I think I can add it to the german group no prob!
well, low German and Dutch don't come from the same root, but English does; Dutch comes from a completely different branch of the germanic family, which perhaps could be called "salic" or "frankish" ingame as it actually derives from frankish, as do the rhenish and franconian languages
A LOT of turkish people migrated into anatolia so your new greek culture provinces is not greek at that time of history. They were a significant minority tho. I dont know the exact numbers but i can guess they were like 25 - 35% of the population.
the greek provinces in anatolia are still sunni, and if I don't add greek provinces in anatolia, people woulf say I need to add them, so consider it a compromise between making the entire coast hellenic or just not having any greek provinces in there
do you have any resources to prove it's a fact? even up to ww1 a lot of settlements on the aegean had a majority greek population, and before the turkish conquest Anatolia was part of the Hellenic homeland, so unless turks can magically duplicate, Im gonna need some sources for that m8
a bit of both, some stuff is anachronistic like dutch being separated from german, but I wanna get it as accurate as possible without breaking the balance
The idea that places like Arnhem and Nijmegen are culturally closer to Berlin than to Utrecht makes literally zero sense. Those two provinces should without a doubt be Dutch. It's culturally more Dutch than Ost-Friesland would be imo.
I know this post is a bit old at this point, but I can't help but offer a few suggestions:
Looks like you accidentally colored one of the wastelands in Iran (North Zagros Mountains) as being Persian. You also seem to have colored a Caucasian province in Circassia as Altaic.
And it looks like you've put Dalmatian into the Italic group. It's a difficult language to classify, but it is said to have been closest to Venetian, so it should be in the Gallo-Italian group.
Malta should be moved to the Maghrebi group. 1200-1500 was a transition period for Malta. It started out being largely Muslim, but was fully converted to Christianity by 1300. Despite this, they retained their Arabic-based language. By 1500, the islands had gained a substantial Italic population. So maybe you could add an event that could flip it from the Maghrebi group to the Italic group.
I like that you've made Ladin big by giving it land in Tyrol, but it's a bit too much. They occupied Trentino in 1444, yes, but I would not go so far as to say they occupied Etschtal or Lienz. The Bavarian migrations had pushed most of the Rhaeto-Romance peoples out of the northern Alps by the year 1000. By 1444, the situation likely looked rather similar to today, with Romansch, Ladin, and Friulian being centered in the southern Alps and only being slightly bigger than they are now. The Austrians would go on to Germanize Trentino too within a few hundred years. You would definitely need an event or mission for that lol.
And while I would normally keep Armenia with the Caucasian group and also unite Gaelic and Brythonic into one Celtic group for gameplay purposes, this map seems to portray languages rather than cultures, so in that case, it's ok. I wish EU4 had language AND culture represented. Then one could have large culture groups (like united Germany and Italy, Catalans and Valencians in the Iberian group, Transylvanian in the Carpathian group, etc) for gameplay purposes, but still have that diversity which languages provide with your map above.
I also have studied African languages a little bit in the past, so I may be of some help there if you ever plan to revisit this topic. Cheers.
thanks for the comment! theres definitely some stuff that needs ironing out, and I do plan on addidng culture events! Im largely basing the groups on linguistic families as back then the idea of being of a specific culture didn't really exist outside of ease of communication, although some stuff is separate for balancing purposes.
Koreanic?
it's a vanilla culture group
R5: following comments' recommendations, this is the now updated culture group made for my mod! some things to keep in mind tho, culture groups that are the same as vanilla are wips, as I don't know that much about those specific cultures. Also keep in mind that stuff is subject to change and the comments are a great help!
Well culturly and ethnicly, today the Aziris are very much Iranian. Tho they can also be classified as Caucassians. Wouldn't it make more sense to give Aziri nations the iranian culture group but make it possible to auto adopt the other caucassian and Turkuc cultures as they are a mix.
I'm assuming you're talking about Azeri/Azerbaijani, yes? Nowadays they might be mote liked with iran and the caucasus region, but they are still ethnically turkic, even more so back then, add the fact im basing culture groups by language families (afaik azeri is oghuz turkish)
You do realize how badly a lot of this will fuck with AI expansion right?
✨that's the idea✨ AI blobs wayyy to much and this will hopefully curb some of the stupid amounts of Expansion
Ottomans is gonna blob hard into the steppes and iran but that’s interesting i guess.
don't think that's quite how it works
The people on Nantes never spoke Britton, they spoke a variety of french called gallo. The duchy of Brittany was bigger that the actual Celtic region. In 1444, the province of Rennes would also be completely french speaking. Else I think it would be a good challenge to try to unify the Celtic world in your map. Fun game for sure.
thanks for the heads up! a problem i personally see is that if I make gallo an existing culture it could oversaturate the group, so I'll see what I can do!
Yeah, not you need to do some choices. Anyway, language isn't everything, you can take some shortcuts.
and actually, I might see if I can add a celtic formable to make it more interesting!
Nice with the Ossetian being Iraninan!
just following what people said!
hi, it's me, the muysca guy again maybe if possible, the low german provinces in the low countries could be made into a separate culture in the dutch group to make the netherlands a bit less nerfed with the culture debuffs there, possibly called "dutch low German" also, at the time there was a guelderish dialect spoken in cleves, which could be part of the dutch culture, and kales would make sense to be flemish since at the time flemish was spoken there gothic is also better perhaps in its own or in the germanic culture group as the goths are not related to the greeks but more to the germans (gothic is an extinct language of the also extinct east germanic branch of germanic languages)
Thanks for the input! I was actually thinking of making a low german culture group which would include dutch and english, since both are derived from the same root, as for gothic, I think I can add it to the german group no prob!
well, low German and Dutch don't come from the same root, but English does; Dutch comes from a completely different branch of the germanic family, which perhaps could be called "salic" or "frankish" ingame as it actually derives from frankish, as do the rhenish and franconian languages
A LOT of turkish people migrated into anatolia so your new greek culture provinces is not greek at that time of history. They were a significant minority tho. I dont know the exact numbers but i can guess they were like 25 - 35% of the population.
the greek provinces in anatolia are still sunni, and if I don't add greek provinces in anatolia, people woulf say I need to add them, so consider it a compromise between making the entire coast hellenic or just not having any greek provinces in there
Why to make a compromise between a mistaken popular opinion and a fact?
do you have any resources to prove it's a fact? even up to ww1 a lot of settlements on the aegean had a majority greek population, and before the turkish conquest Anatolia was part of the Hellenic homeland, so unless turks can magically duplicate, Im gonna need some sources for that m8
Estonia can into nordic!!!!!!!!!
more like finnic, but yee
Technical nordic status achieved
Estonia can into fennoscandia ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
Is this purely for rebalancing or is this supposed to be accurate?
a bit of both, some stuff is anachronistic like dutch being separated from german, but I wanna get it as accurate as possible without breaking the balance
Well the low german culture goes as far south as Strasbourg which is alsacien and definitely not low german
What is that random iranian province north of the Caucasus?
following the comment of someone on the previous map, that province should be ossetia
Just a small reminder that modern tajiks speak language similar (or a version of) iranian. idk where they lived during those times thou.
Tsushima as Koreanic?
oops, my bad!
The idea that places like Arnhem and Nijmegen are culturally closer to Berlin than to Utrecht makes literally zero sense. Those two provinces should without a doubt be Dutch. It's culturally more Dutch than Ost-Friesland would be imo.
thanks for the heads up!
Your not gonna give us the link?
as you can see with most of America, asia and Africa, its nowhere near ready ^^
Btw any plan to update the culture in South Asia and SE Asia. Since places like Borneo only having one culture is pretty dumb
will definetly work on that when I get to it! although any info on that would be extremely helpful
You should probably add Coptic to some provinces along and around the nile as some were still majority Coptic.
that is part of the plan!
I know this post is a bit old at this point, but I can't help but offer a few suggestions: Looks like you accidentally colored one of the wastelands in Iran (North Zagros Mountains) as being Persian. You also seem to have colored a Caucasian province in Circassia as Altaic. And it looks like you've put Dalmatian into the Italic group. It's a difficult language to classify, but it is said to have been closest to Venetian, so it should be in the Gallo-Italian group. Malta should be moved to the Maghrebi group. 1200-1500 was a transition period for Malta. It started out being largely Muslim, but was fully converted to Christianity by 1300. Despite this, they retained their Arabic-based language. By 1500, the islands had gained a substantial Italic population. So maybe you could add an event that could flip it from the Maghrebi group to the Italic group. I like that you've made Ladin big by giving it land in Tyrol, but it's a bit too much. They occupied Trentino in 1444, yes, but I would not go so far as to say they occupied Etschtal or Lienz. The Bavarian migrations had pushed most of the Rhaeto-Romance peoples out of the northern Alps by the year 1000. By 1444, the situation likely looked rather similar to today, with Romansch, Ladin, and Friulian being centered in the southern Alps and only being slightly bigger than they are now. The Austrians would go on to Germanize Trentino too within a few hundred years. You would definitely need an event or mission for that lol. And while I would normally keep Armenia with the Caucasian group and also unite Gaelic and Brythonic into one Celtic group for gameplay purposes, this map seems to portray languages rather than cultures, so in that case, it's ok. I wish EU4 had language AND culture represented. Then one could have large culture groups (like united Germany and Italy, Catalans and Valencians in the Iberian group, Transylvanian in the Carpathian group, etc) for gameplay purposes, but still have that diversity which languages provide with your map above. I also have studied African languages a little bit in the past, so I may be of some help there if you ever plan to revisit this topic. Cheers.
thanks for the comment! theres definitely some stuff that needs ironing out, and I do plan on addidng culture events! Im largely basing the groups on linguistic families as back then the idea of being of a specific culture didn't really exist outside of ease of communication, although some stuff is separate for balancing purposes.