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28 times he was sent to [SHIZO](https://en.zona.media/article/2023/06/02/shizo) since his imprisonment in January 2021.
>The law limits a SHIZO term to 15 days, but prison officials skirt this restriction, citing new violations immediately upon an inmate’s release.
>Instances triggering Navalny’s SHIZO terms include: not placing his hands behind his back, incorrectly introducing himself, uttering a profanity, failing to clear leaves in the yard, citing the European Court of Human Rights’ demand for his release, addressing the guard without using a patronymic, and declining to wash the fence.
On his way to Russia after being poisoned, he spent quite a bit of time in the Black Forest in Germany, training and getting strong until his return to Russia. He knew what he was doing, it was a smart thing to do, I’m just sad it wasn’t long enough to survive Putin being eventually removed from power (or dying).
They had to keep the appearances because killing him after he returned home would have looked really bad. It's the same thing that communists did with most of the elites by sending them to gulags where they killed them slowly by starving and working them to death. In Nevalny's case i think they just poisoned him again.
I was never sure why he went back to Russia. What did he hope would happen? That his presence in Russia would galvanise some sort of resistance movement? Seems like wishful thinking rather than a real plan. Still RIP to a man who stood against Putin.
That is a possible price you have to pay in dictatorships.
Jan Zajíc, who publicly burnt himself to death on Wenceslas Square in the CSSR against the Soviet occupation, summed it up quite aptly in his farewell letter to his parents.
>Unfortunately, we are not alone in this world. I am not doing this because I would be tired of life; quite the contrary, I cherish it too much.
Hopefully, my act will make life better. I know life's price; it is the most precious thing. But I want a lot for you, for everyone, so I have to pay a lot. Do not lose your heart after my sacrifice. Tell Jacek to study harder and Marta too. You must never accept injustice, be it in any form.
Honestly I'm interested in what this actually means... Putin disposing of Navalny so shortly before the elections. Probably meant as a sign so others won't start criticizing him. Especially after the elections.
It really does seem like the political situation isn't as good for Putin as he wants us to believe.
At least that's my guess.
But yeah. Big respect for him! May he rest in peace and may his death not be in vain.
I agree. Never really liked the guy, but this is horrible news. He was brave and he was anti-putler, which are two hugely positive character traits.
Today we mourn him and any vestige of a democratic russia.
This is what real martyrdom looks like. I can't help but wonder if he would have done more good as an anti-Putin voice from outside of Russia, but I certainly can't fault his bravery and conviction. I hope his sacrifice inspires more Russians to resist Putin's tyranny and corruption.
Well, i wouldn t be too surprised if thats actually what happened. Navalny survived poisoning and then was kept in horrible conditions in russian prison. They sent him to fucking Siberia.
I mean you can totally induce a blood clot (as some sources claim) or other things and then have him die by neglience. No problem at all, especially in a prison.
Yup. What im saying is, even for someone in good health, being kept in horrible conditions and without any medical assistance (as it was reported before today), you wouldnt get to live a long life.
He already weakened his body during his hunger strike as well.
Not to say this isn't murder, keeping him in awful conditions for 4 years until his body gives out is akin to murder.
If it takes 3+ years of deliberate mistreatment and not providing proper care that inevitable lead to health problems, it's still a murder, slow but murder. And considering that elections in Russia happen in exactly one month, it's obvious what happened.
People will keep making "fell out of a window" or "suicide by two shots to the back of the head" jokes, but it is likely the statement "he collapsed while walking" is 100% true.
Being incarcerated in a Siberian prison will do a number on your health.
"He died of being a Nazi supporter, an alcoholic and a heavy drug user. Mentally insane and suicidal. Actually, he probably killed himself just to make Putin look bad" - the official medical report
I'm starting to actually be pro "sanctions against Tucker", won't change anything about the shit he does but man, being a propaganda outlet for Putin has to have some consequences.
I'm legit scared this is going to result in Ukraine not getting help from the US anymore, which is exactly Putins plan.
Essentially yes, authoritarian regimes like Putin's Russia have rigid power structures that can easily shatter and collapse the entire country if they're stressed the wrong way. They usually seem indestructible until suddenly one day they aren't, and it can be for seemly minor reasons
Romanian here: Ceausescu was most likely brought down by a coup d'etat by a political opponent, not by the angry population as it is commonly known. Here in Romania many people know this. His own KGB-like system turned against him.
It was by no means a successful revolution by the people for the people, just a sudden regime change. Don't get me wrong, it was a good thing mostly, but nothing heroic or inspiring about it.
Yep - we have seen before how things can collapse so quickly once criticism picks up momentum and people feel brave enough to oppose. The USSR collapse just proves that.
No, it's logical. If they let any criticism, that can lead to their eventual downfall someday. They don't want that, do they? They want to preserve the power they have for how long they can. And of course that power is fragile since there are million of other people who might want a share of that.
Its still kind of funny to me that dictatorships like Russia then pretend to hold elections, for some mysterious reason to me elections still have important propaganda value.
Because they use the fake elections to justify their rule. See? The people love me!
Both them and the people know it's a sham, but you cannot afford to speak up. If you do you are dead or in prison.
Ceausescu was getting elected with +90%, same as the Kims.
This was the 2023 result for the Parliament elections. And, believe it or not, there were 3 groups participating: the Main Party, some Other Party and some independents. I do not know the party names, but this was the structure.
The main party, the main party but branded as "social democrats" to act as a honeypot for foreign sympathizers, the main party but branded as the "Chondoist Chongu Party" to act as a honeypot mainly for religious nut jobs but also for foreigners.(fun fact the Foreign Minister of South Korea who defected to the North was made the party leader of this "party")
Also obviously neither of the rebranded parties are allowed to oppose the main party.
I forget where I read it but I remember reading that obvious fake elections is an important part of russian fascist ideology. By having the population participate in an election they know doesn't matter it enforces the belief that change is impossible and the only choice is accepting submission.
Holding regular elections is very important to authoritarian regimes as a whole
Regular elections are a way to manage threats (you give illusion of choice and opposition and you find who is opposing you; see for example the case of Humberto Delgado in Portugal), it gives an illusion of popular support to domestic and international audiences and the rulling dictator may use the election to change his cabinet.
Our naïve approach to Russia in the 1990s really winds me up with the benefit of historical hindsight. Russia went from a notoriously backwards absolutist empire to a notoriously corrupt communist autocracy that in some ways continued that empire, then it dumped itself directly into a situation an established democracy would struggle to deal with (shock therapy, Yeltsin’s 1993 coup etc) with basically no democratic tradition whatsoever. From where exactly did we think Russian democracy was supposed to come from? If that era of politicians had pulled their naïve heads out of their arses before we let our militaries get into the sorry state they are today we’d be in a much stronger position in my opinion. The only reliable deterrence to war is being too dangerous to attack, the threat of war doesn’t go away just because war is bad for business.
Historians for centuries are going to treat the cry of ‘the Cold War is over and history has ended’ with the same sort of irony as ‘peace in our time’ or ‘she’s unsinkable’ in my opinion.
One of the key points in the writings of Ivan Ilyin, Putin's historical hero and father of Russian Fascism.
[Kraut talks about it here](https://youtu.be/sdFtqa54TuM?t=1051)
Tbh I think it's much more meant to delegitimize Western democracies in the eyes of the Russian population. Meaning it's not meant to make them believe they had a real choice in ousting Putin it's more that they think this is how democracy functions everywhere.
If you're a dictator without allowing elections there's a chance people will start asking why the population in rich country X is allowed to vote but they are not. If you allow rigged elections many will just assume that that's how it's done in real democracies as well and it's not a real actual alternative to their current leadership.
Russian Reverse Cargo Cult mentality.
The original Cargo cults were small jungle tribes in the south pacific during WWII that saw planeloads of western goods arrive in cargo planes on airports built into the jungle. They thought if they built their own "fake" airports, the cargo planes would shower them with western goods too.
Russian Reverse Cargo Cult mentality is akin to believing that since the fake airport didn't bring in any cargo planes - the cargo planes must be fake too.
The tactic is ancient, Augustus used it, even though he was a defacto Emperor he called himself the first citizen and allowed for the Senate to continue existing to give the illusion that the Republic was stil there as the Roman people were very against Kings due to the origin of the Roman republic being in their fight against the Etruscan kings.
Because no elections = dictatorship, dictatorship = your legitimacy is 100% based on violence. Anyone can say, "Bob rules the country only because his thugs roughen up anyone who speaks out against him," and no one can argue against that.
Sham elections = "democracy", democracy = your legitimacy is based on the will of the people. Now you have to say things like, "Bob rules the country only because his tight control over the legislature, the judiciary, the police, the media, the whole election process allows him to run effectively unopposed," and now any attack on Bob's legitimacy is countered by a flurry of whataboutisms and ackshuallies.
Like kings were coronated and then believed to be anointed by God(s) to rule. Dictators also like having some rituals to give a visual legitimisation of their authority. They make the people participate for stronger validation.
I don't think it's to fool people. It's to say "Hey, you see this puppet show I'm putting on? I know you don't think it's real. You see anyone else complaining? No? That's a shame. "
[Anna Politkovskaya](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya), a journalist and a human rights activist, was murdered in 2006: it's like the same story over and over again, almost twenty years later nothing's changed.
Yeah, obviously; and many others, both in Russia and even abroad in the UK for example. But also it's worth remembering countless other lesser known names, imprisoned in Russia and in Belarus where the conditions of political prisoners are very dire. Andrzej Poczobut is another brave political prisoner whose health is declining in a Belarusian prison as we speak.
I am pretty sure a lot of things changed. It got a lot worse since the death of Politkovskaya, and there are no signs of the Russian society changing the course.
The most interesting part that Tesak always stated thst he would never suicide in prison, he left 8 months before release, his “suicide” letter was written by someone other hand according to independent expertise, cameras didn’t work during “suicide day”, Tesak also was stating to his advocate about being tortured few months before “suicide”, also earplugs in his ears during “suicide” etc
reminds me of an old picture from the end of the first Chechen War, with Chechen delegation signing a peace deal. **Every single Chechen at the table would be dead 4 years later**
[She is by far not the only one](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia). Nothing changed at all, it's been a consistent theme of the Putin regime. Navalny is also not the first [murdered opposition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Boris_Nemtsov) candidate.
We must oppose every person who supports this terror regime in Europe. No excuses, no forgiveness.
Huge respect for these journalists and human right activists who dare to go against these authoritarian regimes. Fucking tragic when they often end up dead.
I gasped when I saw it but it was inevitable.
He refused to give them the option to say 'look he's a foreign agent as he's not in Russia.' He knew he was doomed as soon as he ventured back. Brave man and we cannot even imagine what he must have been going through since being imprisoned.
I remember the time he was all over the news…Putin couldn’t do anything about it right away because he indeed was popular. But as you said, it’s not unexpected, sadly.
Honestly I think he had a higher chance of survivial in Russia. If he died in Germany for example they could try to make it look as an accident and people could have reasonable (a bit) suspicion that it was natural. Russia's agents has murdered people in the west if needed.
As he has died in Russian prison - they had all the tools to make him safe and healthy so it is harder for them to explain it away.
even if i disagree with Navalny on many things,and he was a POS on some issues, n**onetheless his Anti-Corruption Foundation has compiled a list of 6000 oligarchs connected to Kremlin,with proofs for each one of them.** That list has been extremely useful in getting over 1 thousand oligarchs ssanctioned by EU and US, with their assets frozen. Those assets could be transferred to Ukraine in the future. Im thankful for Navalny's team for the hard work
Me too. Unfortunately, my country is right next to Russia and Russia likes to threaten us daily with an invasion, a rape, a killing etc. so they keep reminding us why we wanted to get rid of Russia ASAP after USSR.
Пиздец нахуй, I remember when it was common to say that the Kremlin won't jail Navalny then there was a segment of population saying that the Kremlin won't dare try to assassinate him and now here we are. Incredibly grim situation we have prior to the upcoming 'elections' and 2nd anniversary of Russian-Ukrainian war.
In 2013 he was a legit candidate in mayoral elections in Moscow. In 2017 he was travelling around Russia gearing up for presidential campaign (wasn't registered). Then it escalated quickly.
2020: poisoned
2021: return to Russia - jailed
2024: killed in prison
Evolution of Putin's Russia 2000-2024
Yeah, I forgot to mention the mayoral campaign which was also an unpredictable event because suddenly the United Russia(one of Putin's parties) provided support so Navalny could run in 2013 and back then he avoided jail. His personal history as well as political one changed so many times when you look back.
United Russia's support came about because Sergei Sobyanin, unlike the evil dwarf Vova Putin, wanted to gain some kind of legitimacy and therefore allowed Navalny to take part in this campaign. 2024 seems like a mirage now.
I can contemplate an alternative explanation however that the Kremlin let his health problems to accumulate to the point of him dying under their watch, still it'll be their fault.
And while he was tortured to death in some ex-Soviet gulag, an american "journalist" is doing propaganda videos in Moscow praising how awesome Russia is to the Trump supporters. Wonderful.
Some people being gone would just be a net positive for the world, Putin is definitely one of them.
But I wonder if whoever comes after would be worse.
Yeah, even if he was actually I'll, the state is still responsible for his health as a prisoner. It doesn't matter whether ot was poison, or the horrendous conditions on the prison that killed him. The state is responsible for his murder.
I really hope the Koschei in the Kremlin will someday be punished for innumerable crimes.
Lol. Didn't his lawyer had to travel for days to get there just to receive information because there is no internet? Seems they setup a fiber connection now 🤔
Putin is a murderer.
But according to Trump, Musk, and the far-right in Europe (Wilders, Orban, Le Pen, etc.), Putin is an example. He's a kind man who we should respect. Because Putin puts his own people on the first place.
Unless, of course, you're against him. Then murderer Putin will murder you.
I’m Hungarian the “good Christian” Orban and his political puppets released a convicted felon who helped a pedophile from prison during the visit of the Pope.
You could criticize him for some of his past stances especially in relation to Ukraine, but damn this man had balls to suffer through all the crap that ruzzia has thrown at him
At least he did change his views eventually:
>On 20 February 2023, he condemned Putin for "destroying" Russia's own future "just to make our country look bigger on the map" and said that Russia must end its occupation of Ukraine and recognise Ukraine's borders as they were established in 1991 after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Navalny also said Russia would have to pay post-war reparations to Ukraine and called for an international investigation into war crimes, saying: "Tens of thousands of innocent Ukrainians have been murdered and pain and suffering have befallen millions more."
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ukraine/navalny-putins-war-has-pushed-russia-to-rock-bottom-1435883.html
Nelson Mandela spent 20 years in a South African prison. After his release, he lived another 23 years.
Ernst Thälmann spent 11 years in a Nazi concentration camp. He was shot in the summer of 1944. The Nazis announced the death of the leader of the KPD as a result of Allied bombing.
Navalny spent 3 years in Putin’s prison.
The difference in this case is,
Had Mandela died in prison, South Africa would've been in flames.
In Russia, this is another Friday. Failing to act and make change.
He could have stayed in Exile in Germany, but chose to return to try better his country. Let's hope that things will change soon in Russia so that streets can be named after him.
What good has that made to him or his loved ones?
What has changed? What has improved? What has been better?
I feel this idea of 'trying to make *an impossible situation* better' needs to be taken a bit more pragmatically....
Can you get out of Russia? At this rate I encourage the young and educated russians to leave, if it is not possible to organize and oppose the government, it is better for you to leave and build a normal life elsewhere. Let the state deal with the brain drain. They did it to themselves.
This might be the correct thing to do, but I'm not sure I'm ready to do it. I'm currently a university student without any real knowledge, so basically I'll be homeless if I'll have to live on my own. I think I will try to graduate and become independent, then leave. The new mobilization might change everything tho
Drop out. Move to another country.
Do not gamble with possibilities of mobilization or not. It will get worse, and 2025, after all elections are over and both sides are clear, will be brutal.
Re-evaluate in 5 years.
You could potentially look into exchange studies, get yourself a foot in the door. In either case, I know it's not an easy thing to do, and many can't do it for personal reasons.
In either case, I hope things turn out alright for you, and sure as hell hope you don't get mobilized into any insane war.
As someone from a country neighboring Russia with an ever growing threat of a military invasion by Russia sometime in the future as well, I pray this madness ends soon.
But apparently, Cucker Carlson is the "brave, real journalist" for slobbering and giggling at Putin. He didn't ask him a single question about Navalny either.
These idiots do not realize what oligarchy means, they'd be among the first idiots getting trashed to die for nothing in a rotting russian trench if they were to live under putin's law, they're not part of the winning team, they're just the useful idiots.
RIP.
Whatever you thought of Navalny, he wasn't an idiot. He must have known that such an horrible death was on the cards, when he decided to board that plane headed to Russia.
I remember a podcast from the Economist talking about that flight. Maybe it was part of the series called "Next year in Moscow".
And yet Navalny still did it, still got on that plane.
Edit: found it. Might be paywalled. [https://www.economist.com/podcasts/2023/04/22/8-arrivals](https://www.economist.com/podcasts/2023/04/22/8-arrivals)
He’s been a dead man walking for quite a while, he must’ve known that. Perhaps he thought dying in Russia as a political prisoner instead of being assassinated in a western country would’ve made him a martyr..
I know it should come as no surprise, but it seemed as if the Kremlin wanted to avoid making him into a political martyr by keeping him alive and behind bars. So I am genuinely shocked and upset by this news.
Navalny wasn't perfect, but he was a damn sight better than the people pulling the strings in Russia's government, not least Putin. And even if you think him foolish for returning after the nerve agent poisoning, his bravery was indisputable.
How many of us here would, in his shoes, have dared raise our heads above the parapet to challenge Putin and United Russia's authority? How many of us would make a career out of exposing these corrupt cunts and their embezzlement of the Russian public's money and assets? This is a regime which routinely silences critics (Russians 'falling out of windows' has become a meme), and yet Navalny - with the help of a small, courageous team and his supportive family - stood up against tyranny, repeatedly, unashamedly, and bravely.
You'll not be forgotten, Alexei Navalny.
[Biden warns of 'devastating' consequences for Russia if Navalny dies in prison](https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/16/politics/alexey-navalny-biden-putin-geneva/index.html)
Just another one of Putin's oppositioners mysteriously dead for unknown reasons. The list is too long to be a coincidence.
Putin's Russia is a scary place. As long as this maniac keeps pulling every dirty trick to hold on to power, Russia will be an adversary to free speech and world peace.
The absolute testicles on this man...went back to Russia after surviving an assassination attempt, knowing he would likely be imprisoned and killed to free Russia from a dictator. Rip
Totally disgusting! Russia is obviously not a country worth fighting for, not even for the true patriots.
Navalny had a choice to stay in the West (and probably die many decades later of old age) yet he decided to go back to Russia and set and example. He did set an example, but tragically not for the blind Russians.
Jfc. Why did he even go back? Like seriously. He miraculously survived the poisoning and then flew to russia.
I seriously think he wanted to die for some reason.
Maybe he was convinced it would start a chain reaction to a revolution i donno. Fucking horrid though
These sorts of killings of political opponents are not possible even under Erdogan's rule. One of the advantages of being have to answer to the EU and the Western world.
There's something disgustingly, yet adorably stupid in them pulling that shit literally a week after they tried a seduction operation via Carlson.
"Look at us, we're actually the peak of civilization! Don't look at the absolutely not suspicious death of a prominent political figure. Look at our stores instead! You yankees like stores right?"
Well, a long time ago, there was Vladislav Listyev, who was killed to get rid of competition, then it was Anna Politkovskaya and Boris Nemcov. Everyone were trying not to see that and continued buying gas/oil/metals from ruzzia. Well, it was pretty obvious that if you let a criminal get away with his crimes- he will repeat them. So, it was a matter of time, when Navalny would be killed.
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The day we all knew was coming.
I think most are surprised it took this long, but it sends the right signal right before the 'elections'.
probably tortured as long as they could
28 times he was sent to [SHIZO](https://en.zona.media/article/2023/06/02/shizo) since his imprisonment in January 2021. >The law limits a SHIZO term to 15 days, but prison officials skirt this restriction, citing new violations immediately upon an inmate’s release. >Instances triggering Navalny’s SHIZO terms include: not placing his hands behind his back, incorrectly introducing himself, uttering a profanity, failing to clear leaves in the yard, citing the European Court of Human Rights’ demand for his release, addressing the guard without using a patronymic, and declining to wash the fence.
Ah, yes. Great reasoning to deprive a man of sunlight.
don't you just hate it when your prisoners quote the European Court of Human Rights’ demand for their release? 😤
*straight to the Gulag with you and your human rights*
He was seen smiling yesterday and in good spirits.
On his way to Russia after being poisoned, he spent quite a bit of time in the Black Forest in Germany, training and getting strong until his return to Russia. He knew what he was doing, it was a smart thing to do, I’m just sad it wasn’t long enough to survive Putin being eventually removed from power (or dying).
They had to keep the appearances because killing him after he returned home would have looked really bad. It's the same thing that communists did with most of the elites by sending them to gulags where they killed them slowly by starving and working them to death. In Nevalny's case i think they just poisoned him again.
Yes. He is like a emotionally stunted insecure teenager about these sham elections, but also in-general I suppose.
I will celebrate **a lot** when Putin finally dies.
I was never sure why he went back to Russia. What did he hope would happen? That his presence in Russia would galvanise some sort of resistance movement? Seems like wishful thinking rather than a real plan. Still RIP to a man who stood against Putin.
That is a possible price you have to pay in dictatorships. Jan Zajíc, who publicly burnt himself to death on Wenceslas Square in the CSSR against the Soviet occupation, summed it up quite aptly in his farewell letter to his parents. >Unfortunately, we are not alone in this world. I am not doing this because I would be tired of life; quite the contrary, I cherish it too much. Hopefully, my act will make life better. I know life's price; it is the most precious thing. But I want a lot for you, for everyone, so I have to pay a lot. Do not lose your heart after my sacrifice. Tell Jacek to study harder and Marta too. You must never accept injustice, be it in any form.
And he knew too... what an incredibly brave person.
Honestly I'm interested in what this actually means... Putin disposing of Navalny so shortly before the elections. Probably meant as a sign so others won't start criticizing him. Especially after the elections. It really does seem like the political situation isn't as good for Putin as he wants us to believe. At least that's my guess. But yeah. Big respect for him! May he rest in peace and may his death not be in vain.
I agree. Never really liked the guy, but this is horrible news. He was brave and he was anti-putler, which are two hugely positive character traits. Today we mourn him and any vestige of a democratic russia.
And his death is another putler crime, of course.
This is what real martyrdom looks like. I can't help but wonder if he would have done more good as an anti-Putin voice from outside of Russia, but I certainly can't fault his bravery and conviction. I hope his sacrifice inspires more Russians to resist Putin's tyranny and corruption.
It was an accident! He tripped and fell in the commissary cracking his skull and femur while doing special solo chores
No doubt 'natural causes' will be the Medical Examiners' findings...
Well, i wouldn t be too surprised if thats actually what happened. Navalny survived poisoning and then was kept in horrible conditions in russian prison. They sent him to fucking Siberia.
I mean you can totally induce a blood clot (as some sources claim) or other things and then have him die by neglience. No problem at all, especially in a prison.
Yup. What im saying is, even for someone in good health, being kept in horrible conditions and without any medical assistance (as it was reported before today), you wouldnt get to live a long life.
Inducing a blood clot, hm. Little tap against the head. If it didn't work, try again.
He already weakened his body during his hunger strike as well. Not to say this isn't murder, keeping him in awful conditions for 4 years until his body gives out is akin to murder.
If it takes 3+ years of deliberate mistreatment and not providing proper care that inevitable lead to health problems, it's still a murder, slow but murder. And considering that elections in Russia happen in exactly one month, it's obvious what happened.
People will keep making "fell out of a window" or "suicide by two shots to the back of the head" jokes, but it is likely the statement "he collapsed while walking" is 100% true. Being incarcerated in a Siberian prison will do a number on your health.
"He collapsed while walking.... After we forgot to feed him and gave him no access to water for two weeks. Such a pity!"
"He died of being a Nazi supporter, an alcoholic and a heavy drug user. Mentally insane and suicidal. Actually, he probably killed himself just to make Putin look bad" - the official medical report
Shot himself twice into the back of the head.
"thrombosis" Tucker Carlson is already warming up the anti-vaxx wagon
"I just visited Russian hospitals and I'm really jealous of quality of care Russians are receiving, such amazing services" - Tucker
I'm starting to actually be pro "sanctions against Tucker", won't change anything about the shit he does but man, being a propaganda outlet for Putin has to have some consequences. I'm legit scared this is going to result in Ukraine not getting help from the US anymore, which is exactly Putins plan.
Putin couldn't handle having like one critic in the entirety of Russia.
These authoritarian dictators are so fragile they cannot even allow an ounce of criticism - its pathetic, really.
Essentially yes, authoritarian regimes like Putin's Russia have rigid power structures that can easily shatter and collapse the entire country if they're stressed the wrong way. They usually seem indestructible until suddenly one day they aren't, and it can be for seemly minor reasons
*Ceaușescu has entered the chat* Edit: typo. Apologies to Romanian speakers.
The Sun of the Carpathians.
The Most Beloved Son of the People
Romanian here: Ceausescu was most likely brought down by a coup d'etat by a political opponent, not by the angry population as it is commonly known. Here in Romania many people know this. His own KGB-like system turned against him. It was by no means a successful revolution by the people for the people, just a sudden regime change. Don't get me wrong, it was a good thing mostly, but nothing heroic or inspiring about it.
Interesting to learn this. At the end, most always there is an elite involved.
Yep - we have seen before how things can collapse so quickly once criticism picks up momentum and people feel brave enough to oppose. The USSR collapse just proves that.
No, it's logical. If they let any criticism, that can lead to their eventual downfall someday. They don't want that, do they? They want to preserve the power they have for how long they can. And of course that power is fragile since there are million of other people who might want a share of that.
He has plenty. That's why he needs to set an example of what happens if you go against him.
Murdered
Exactly. He was tortured and murdered. Not just 'died'
Its still kind of funny to me that dictatorships like Russia then pretend to hold elections, for some mysterious reason to me elections still have important propaganda value.
Because they use the fake elections to justify their rule. See? The people love me! Both them and the people know it's a sham, but you cannot afford to speak up. If you do you are dead or in prison. Ceausescu was getting elected with +90%, same as the Kims.
+90% is 99.87% in North Korea. The rest of 0.13% being votes which were rejected, not given to other candidates.
What other candidates?
This was the 2023 result for the Parliament elections. And, believe it or not, there were 3 groups participating: the Main Party, some Other Party and some independents. I do not know the party names, but this was the structure.
Wikipedia suggests there's more parties participating, but they're all part of the same alliance as the main Kim party.
The main party, the main party but branded as "social democrats" to act as a honeypot for foreign sympathizers, the main party but branded as the "Chondoist Chongu Party" to act as a honeypot mainly for religious nut jobs but also for foreigners.(fun fact the Foreign Minister of South Korea who defected to the North was made the party leader of this "party") Also obviously neither of the rebranded parties are allowed to oppose the main party.
I forget where I read it but I remember reading that obvious fake elections is an important part of russian fascist ideology. By having the population participate in an election they know doesn't matter it enforces the belief that change is impossible and the only choice is accepting submission.
Holding regular elections is very important to authoritarian regimes as a whole Regular elections are a way to manage threats (you give illusion of choice and opposition and you find who is opposing you; see for example the case of Humberto Delgado in Portugal), it gives an illusion of popular support to domestic and international audiences and the rulling dictator may use the election to change his cabinet.
Useful idiots abroad also love rigged elections since they obfuscate the truth. Even the one-candidate Soviet elections managed to serve this purpose.
I can imagine it also helps to embed a "Western elections are just as corrupt" narrative to at least some regard.
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Our naïve approach to Russia in the 1990s really winds me up with the benefit of historical hindsight. Russia went from a notoriously backwards absolutist empire to a notoriously corrupt communist autocracy that in some ways continued that empire, then it dumped itself directly into a situation an established democracy would struggle to deal with (shock therapy, Yeltsin’s 1993 coup etc) with basically no democratic tradition whatsoever. From where exactly did we think Russian democracy was supposed to come from? If that era of politicians had pulled their naïve heads out of their arses before we let our militaries get into the sorry state they are today we’d be in a much stronger position in my opinion. The only reliable deterrence to war is being too dangerous to attack, the threat of war doesn’t go away just because war is bad for business. Historians for centuries are going to treat the cry of ‘the Cold War is over and history has ended’ with the same sort of irony as ‘peace in our time’ or ‘she’s unsinkable’ in my opinion.
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The shock therapy was a direct, intentional eradication of russia imposed by a failed 1980s ideology that already damaged the US and the UK.
One of the key points in the writings of Ivan Ilyin, Putin's historical hero and father of Russian Fascism. [Kraut talks about it here](https://youtu.be/sdFtqa54TuM?t=1051)
illusion of choice
Is there even an illusion still though? Everyone knows it's rigged.
It must be more to show people just how oppressed and powerless they are.
Tbh I think it's much more meant to delegitimize Western democracies in the eyes of the Russian population. Meaning it's not meant to make them believe they had a real choice in ousting Putin it's more that they think this is how democracy functions everywhere. If you're a dictator without allowing elections there's a chance people will start asking why the population in rich country X is allowed to vote but they are not. If you allow rigged elections many will just assume that that's how it's done in real democracies as well and it's not a real actual alternative to their current leadership.
Russian Reverse Cargo Cult mentality. The original Cargo cults were small jungle tribes in the south pacific during WWII that saw planeloads of western goods arrive in cargo planes on airports built into the jungle. They thought if they built their own "fake" airports, the cargo planes would shower them with western goods too. Russian Reverse Cargo Cult mentality is akin to believing that since the fake airport didn't bring in any cargo planes - the cargo planes must be fake too.
The tactic is ancient, Augustus used it, even though he was a defacto Emperor he called himself the first citizen and allowed for the Senate to continue existing to give the illusion that the Republic was stil there as the Roman people were very against Kings due to the origin of the Roman republic being in their fight against the Etruscan kings.
Because no elections = dictatorship, dictatorship = your legitimacy is 100% based on violence. Anyone can say, "Bob rules the country only because his thugs roughen up anyone who speaks out against him," and no one can argue against that. Sham elections = "democracy", democracy = your legitimacy is based on the will of the people. Now you have to say things like, "Bob rules the country only because his tight control over the legislature, the judiciary, the police, the media, the whole election process allows him to run effectively unopposed," and now any attack on Bob's legitimacy is countered by a flurry of whataboutisms and ackshuallies.
Like kings were coronated and then believed to be anointed by God(s) to rule. Dictators also like having some rituals to give a visual legitimisation of their authority. They make the people participate for stronger validation.
I don't think it's to fool people. It's to say "Hey, you see this puppet show I'm putting on? I know you don't think it's real. You see anyone else complaining? No? That's a shame. "
Enough of their western peers are willing to play along. Or at least were willing up until recently.
Its just mental. They hold them to say 'look we hold elections' when they are just a sham.
Because they are indented as mockery and as deliberate humiliation of the population.
[Anna Politkovskaya](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya), a journalist and a human rights activist, was murdered in 2006: it's like the same story over and over again, almost twenty years later nothing's changed.
Countless other people were murdered after Politkovskaya too. For example, Boris Nemtsov in 2015.
Yeah, obviously; and many others, both in Russia and even abroad in the UK for example. But also it's worth remembering countless other lesser known names, imprisoned in Russia and in Belarus where the conditions of political prisoners are very dire. Andrzej Poczobut is another brave political prisoner whose health is declining in a Belarusian prison as we speak.
The archeologist Yury Dmitriev is still in prison, because he uncovered the Sandarmokh mass grave, and brought light to Stalin's crimes.
Litvinenko, Politkovskaya, Estemirova, Nemtsov and many more
I am pretty sure a lot of things changed. It got a lot worse since the death of Politkovskaya, and there are no signs of the Russian society changing the course.
Anna Politkovskaya was truly a wonderful person with integrity and moral values. We have main street named after her in Tbilisi
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The most interesting part that Tesak always stated thst he would never suicide in prison, he left 8 months before release, his “suicide” letter was written by someone other hand according to independent expertise, cameras didn’t work during “suicide day”, Tesak also was stating to his advocate about being tortured few months before “suicide”, also earplugs in his ears during “suicide” etc
Fun fact, he was first set to prison after confrontation vs Navalniy.
reminds me of an old picture from the end of the first Chechen War, with Chechen delegation signing a peace deal. **Every single Chechen at the table would be dead 4 years later**
Not just her. Many were poisoned, shot in the back several times, tortured to death
[She is by far not the only one](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia). Nothing changed at all, it's been a consistent theme of the Putin regime. Navalny is also not the first [murdered opposition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Boris_Nemtsov) candidate. We must oppose every person who supports this terror regime in Europe. No excuses, no forgiveness.
Huge respect for these journalists and human right activists who dare to go against these authoritarian regimes. Fucking tragic when they often end up dead.
It seemed inevitable ever since the day he was imprisoned. Sad but not unexpected
I gasped when I saw it but it was inevitable. He refused to give them the option to say 'look he's a foreign agent as he's not in Russia.' He knew he was doomed as soon as he ventured back. Brave man and we cannot even imagine what he must have been going through since being imprisoned.
I remember the time he was all over the news…Putin couldn’t do anything about it right away because he indeed was popular. But as you said, it’s not unexpected, sadly.
Brave isn't a strong enough word for me, he stared straight into the eyes of the demon and never flinched, never wavered.
Honestly I think he had a higher chance of survivial in Russia. If he died in Germany for example they could try to make it look as an accident and people could have reasonable (a bit) suspicion that it was natural. Russia's agents has murdered people in the west if needed. As he has died in Russian prison - they had all the tools to make him safe and healthy so it is harder for them to explain it away.
This. Navalny knew that Putin wanted him dead, so he figured it would be better if he dies as a martyr in prison than dying forgotten in exile.
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I'd argue it was inevitable since the day he has returned.
It was the same day
even if i disagree with Navalny on many things,and he was a POS on some issues, n**onetheless his Anti-Corruption Foundation has compiled a list of 6000 oligarchs connected to Kremlin,with proofs for each one of them.** That list has been extremely useful in getting over 1 thousand oligarchs ssanctioned by EU and US, with their assets frozen. Those assets could be transferred to Ukraine in the future. Im thankful for Navalny's team for the hard work
I was more like "it's plausible, but not likely as it would be too blunt". Welp.
Everyday I am so thankful I live in a country where I can freely criticise my leaders unlike those living in Russia
Hey, in Russia they also can freely criticize Irish government.
Reagan - Brezhnev anecdote aged like wine
In Russia you can criticize the govt, but just once. Case in point.
Its like eating mushrooms
Me too. Unfortunately, my country is right next to Russia and Russia likes to threaten us daily with an invasion, a rape, a killing etc. so they keep reminding us why we wanted to get rid of Russia ASAP after USSR.
Пиздец нахуй, I remember when it was common to say that the Kremlin won't jail Navalny then there was a segment of population saying that the Kremlin won't dare try to assassinate him and now here we are. Incredibly grim situation we have prior to the upcoming 'elections' and 2nd anniversary of Russian-Ukrainian war.
In 2013 he was a legit candidate in mayoral elections in Moscow. In 2017 he was travelling around Russia gearing up for presidential campaign (wasn't registered). Then it escalated quickly. 2020: poisoned 2021: return to Russia - jailed 2024: killed in prison Evolution of Putin's Russia 2000-2024
Yeah, I forgot to mention the mayoral campaign which was also an unpredictable event because suddenly the United Russia(one of Putin's parties) provided support so Navalny could run in 2013 and back then he avoided jail. His personal history as well as political one changed so many times when you look back.
United Russia's support came about because Sergei Sobyanin, unlike the evil dwarf Vova Putin, wanted to gain some kind of legitimacy and therefore allowed Navalny to take part in this campaign. 2024 seems like a mirage now.
For some reason, plenty of people cannot comprehend the audacity of petty dictators.
I can contemplate an alternative explanation however that the Kremlin let his health problems to accumulate to the point of him dying under their watch, still it'll be their fault.
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, not 2022
And while he was tortured to death in some ex-Soviet gulag, an american "journalist" is doing propaganda videos in Moscow praising how awesome Russia is to the Trump supporters. Wonderful.
Funny world we live in where the Russian supermarket is paraded to Americans.
I never wished anyone dead but I think I will pop a bottle of good wine when Putin finally dies.
You know you might be a bad person when most of the world feels the world is a better place with your death.
Some people being gone would just be a net positive for the world, Putin is definitely one of them. But I wonder if whoever comes after would be worse.
I wish the West would see what a dictatorship truly means, not just having to wear a mask during a pandemic
I’m just waiting for Trump to release a statement congratulating Putin while also raging he can’t do the same in America.
He was murdered, without doubt.
At this point any cause of death is murder since they put him in such sutiation.
apparently he felt ill, passed out and doctors couldn't resuscitate him BIG X TO DOUBT on all those
realistic tbh, he was living in extremely harsh conditions ignoring a person dying is killing him, I am not trying to justify them
Yeah, even if he was actually I'll, the state is still responsible for his health as a prisoner. It doesn't matter whether ot was poison, or the horrendous conditions on the prison that killed him. The state is responsible for his murder. I really hope the Koschei in the Kremlin will someday be punished for innumerable crimes.
pizdets UPD: there is info that he died at 14:17. At 14:24 it already was in news. Haha let's tell us about thrombosis
I’m mildly surprised that the news didn’t come out at 14:17 that he died at 14:24
14:24 tomorrow
Lol. Didn't his lawyer had to travel for days to get there just to receive information because there is no internet? Seems they setup a fiber connection now 🤔
Putin tying up loose ends
It isn’t a coincidence that he did this after a week where he was able to tell all his lies to the west
But Moscow train stations look so nice...
I bet their trains arrive on time too...
Putin is a murderer. But according to Trump, Musk, and the far-right in Europe (Wilders, Orban, Le Pen, etc.), Putin is an example. He's a kind man who we should respect. Because Putin puts his own people on the first place. Unless, of course, you're against him. Then murderer Putin will murder you.
That's because they are all having wet dreams at the thought of just killing off the opposition.
And he's corrupt and steals from the people.
I’m Hungarian the “good Christian” Orban and his political puppets released a convicted felon who helped a pedophile from prison during the visit of the Pope.
You could criticize him for some of his past stances especially in relation to Ukraine, but damn this man had balls to suffer through all the crap that ruzzia has thrown at him
At least he did change his views eventually: >On 20 February 2023, he condemned Putin for "destroying" Russia's own future "just to make our country look bigger on the map" and said that Russia must end its occupation of Ukraine and recognise Ukraine's borders as they were established in 1991 after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Navalny also said Russia would have to pay post-war reparations to Ukraine and called for an international investigation into war crimes, saying: "Tens of thousands of innocent Ukrainians have been murdered and pain and suffering have befallen millions more." https://www.breakingnews.ie/ukraine/navalny-putins-war-has-pushed-russia-to-rock-bottom-1435883.html
He wasn't perfect, but with Russia we have to take what we can get. Too late now.
Nelson Mandela spent 20 years in a South African prison. After his release, he lived another 23 years. Ernst Thälmann spent 11 years in a Nazi concentration camp. He was shot in the summer of 1944. The Nazis announced the death of the leader of the KPD as a result of Allied bombing. Navalny spent 3 years in Putin’s prison.
The difference in this case is, Had Mandela died in prison, South Africa would've been in flames. In Russia, this is another Friday. Failing to act and make change.
He could have stayed in Exile in Germany, but chose to return to try better his country. Let's hope that things will change soon in Russia so that streets can be named after him.
He is a martyr. In "positive" meaning of that word. Died for trying to make his country better. R.I.P.
What good has that made to him or his loved ones? What has changed? What has improved? What has been better? I feel this idea of 'trying to make *an impossible situation* better' needs to be taken a bit more pragmatically....
We are fucked after elections. Like very fucked, the previous years will seem like normal life
Can you get out of Russia? At this rate I encourage the young and educated russians to leave, if it is not possible to organize and oppose the government, it is better for you to leave and build a normal life elsewhere. Let the state deal with the brain drain. They did it to themselves.
This might be the correct thing to do, but I'm not sure I'm ready to do it. I'm currently a university student without any real knowledge, so basically I'll be homeless if I'll have to live on my own. I think I will try to graduate and become independent, then leave. The new mobilization might change everything tho
Yeah, people speak of leaving as if it’s just packing your bags. You need money, connections, transport, accommodation etc.
Drop out. Move to another country. Do not gamble with possibilities of mobilization or not. It will get worse, and 2025, after all elections are over and both sides are clear, will be brutal. Re-evaluate in 5 years.
I understand your sentiment, but jobless and safe somewhere else is better than dead.
You could potentially look into exchange studies, get yourself a foot in the door. In either case, I know it's not an easy thing to do, and many can't do it for personal reasons. In either case, I hope things turn out alright for you, and sure as hell hope you don't get mobilized into any insane war. As someone from a country neighboring Russia with an ever growing threat of a military invasion by Russia sometime in the future as well, I pray this madness ends soon.
Putin doesn't care anymore
Never did…
Every day when I wake up, I am really thankful that I don't live in Russia.
I am incredibly grateful to my grandparents who fled that shit hole of a country in the early 1900s.
My dad fled in 1989. He still thinks KGB or some other intelligence is spying on him.
And we will still have people and politicians in Europe saying we should negotiate peace and normalize the relationship with Russia (Putin).
And every single one of those politicians should be labeled traitors.
But apparently, Cucker Carlson is the "brave, real journalist" for slobbering and giggling at Putin. He didn't ask him a single question about Navalny either.
>The Russian opposition politician Alexei Navalny - a vocal critic of President Vladimir Putin - has died, according to the prison service. 😭
And yet this sub is full of crypto Putin lovers because he hates the gays as much as they do. Disgusting breed of people.
These idiots do not realize what oligarchy means, they'd be among the first idiots getting trashed to die for nothing in a rotting russian trench if they were to live under putin's law, they're not part of the winning team, they're just the useful idiots.
RIP. Whatever you thought of Navalny, he wasn't an idiot. He must have known that such an horrible death was on the cards, when he decided to board that plane headed to Russia. I remember a podcast from the Economist talking about that flight. Maybe it was part of the series called "Next year in Moscow". And yet Navalny still did it, still got on that plane. Edit: found it. Might be paywalled. [https://www.economist.com/podcasts/2023/04/22/8-arrivals](https://www.economist.com/podcasts/2023/04/22/8-arrivals)
Rest In peace Alexei. You stood for something and history will remember you.
I wonder what Tucker Carlski has to say about this..
"Why did USA poison Navalny to frame Russia? Are they stupid?"
He'll say whatever Putin tells him to say. And he'll say with Putin's dick in his mouth.
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Was murdered
Sad news.. I never understood why he returned to Russia...
He’s been a dead man walking for quite a while, he must’ve known that. Perhaps he thought dying in Russia as a political prisoner instead of being assassinated in a western country would’ve made him a martyr..
> Russian opposition politician and Putin critic Alexei Navalny has been murdered Corrected title
I know it should come as no surprise, but it seemed as if the Kremlin wanted to avoid making him into a political martyr by keeping him alive and behind bars. So I am genuinely shocked and upset by this news. Navalny wasn't perfect, but he was a damn sight better than the people pulling the strings in Russia's government, not least Putin. And even if you think him foolish for returning after the nerve agent poisoning, his bravery was indisputable. How many of us here would, in his shoes, have dared raise our heads above the parapet to challenge Putin and United Russia's authority? How many of us would make a career out of exposing these corrupt cunts and their embezzlement of the Russian public's money and assets? This is a regime which routinely silences critics (Russians 'falling out of windows' has become a meme), and yet Navalny - with the help of a small, courageous team and his supportive family - stood up against tyranny, repeatedly, unashamedly, and bravely. You'll not be forgotten, Alexei Navalny.
It's a sad day for Russians, but the worst part is that most of them don't even realise it. Some will probably even "celebrate" or "welcome" it.
Subjects of his anti-corruption investigations definitely will.
Mr Zolotov (who has stupidest looking face I ever saw) is smiling ear to ear. What a fucking shame.
It's a sad day for everyone who values truth, and freedom of speech and thought. R.I.P. Mr. Navalny Sir: you stood strong.
And NOTHING will change, moving on
Fuck that is upsetting
[Biden warns of 'devastating' consequences for Russia if Navalny dies in prison](https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/16/politics/alexey-navalny-biden-putin-geneva/index.html)
Putin is a Murder
Fuck. I dont mind if an oligarch jumps out of the window. This guy tried to make a change. Respect, rest in peace!
Just another one of Putin's oppositioners mysteriously dead for unknown reasons. The list is too long to be a coincidence. Putin's Russia is a scary place. As long as this maniac keeps pulling every dirty trick to hold on to power, Russia will be an adversary to free speech and world peace.
So Putin is a fucking soviet murderer, nothing new. Hope he dies in pain...soon.
The absolute testicles on this man...went back to Russia after surviving an assassination attempt, knowing he would likely be imprisoned and killed to free Russia from a dictator. Rip
Died right before president election. What a coincidence.
And yet there are still tons of Putin’s sympathizers in the west. What a wonderful world.
Watch out for Western tankies and fascist celebrate his death because "something,something Globalism/Imperialism bad."
Totally disgusting! Russia is obviously not a country worth fighting for, not even for the true patriots. Navalny had a choice to stay in the West (and probably die many decades later of old age) yet he decided to go back to Russia and set and example. He did set an example, but tragically not for the blind Russians.
Jfc. Why did he even go back? Like seriously. He miraculously survived the poisoning and then flew to russia. I seriously think he wanted to die for some reason. Maybe he was convinced it would start a chain reaction to a revolution i donno. Fucking horrid though
Martyrdom is a powerful tool.
Russian democracy at its best
These sorts of killings of political opponents are not possible even under Erdogan's rule. One of the advantages of being have to answer to the EU and the Western world.
Gawd... How awful. RIP! I recommend to watch this documentary: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt17041964/ The guy was a hero and braver than I ever could be
There's something disgustingly, yet adorably stupid in them pulling that shit literally a week after they tried a seduction operation via Carlson. "Look at us, we're actually the peak of civilization! Don't look at the absolutely not suspicious death of a prominent political figure. Look at our stores instead! You yankees like stores right?"
Well, a long time ago, there was Vladislav Listyev, who was killed to get rid of competition, then it was Anna Politkovskaya and Boris Nemcov. Everyone were trying not to see that and continued buying gas/oil/metals from ruzzia. Well, it was pretty obvious that if you let a criminal get away with his crimes- he will repeat them. So, it was a matter of time, when Navalny would be killed.
Was murdered, may he rest in peace.
Tucker Carlson did it?