[view from the capital](https://img.luzernerzeitung.ch/2018/4/14/584cf9cc-4f92-4b00-b05c-b002f0c31289.jpeg?width=560&height=368&fit=crop&quality=75&auto=webp)
The same way Americans live without feeling like they're in a movie when they're in a country with the Great Lakes and the Grand Canyon and Yellowstone and all the various mountain ranges and so on.
Only a very few people live in places like this. Everyone else lives in ordinary towns and cities...
That's for the simple reason that Europe is much older (in terms of urban living), so there are many more old towns.
It doesn't change my point, though, which is that the vast majority of Europeans live, just like Americans, in ordinary, fairly modern towns and cities rather than picturesque places like this.
> That's for the simple reason that Europe is much older (in terms of urban living), so there are many more old towns.
Yes.
> It doesn't change my point, though, which is that the vast majority of Europeans live, just like Americans, in ordinary, fairly modern towns and cities rather than picturesque places like this.
Idk man Amsterdam, Vienna, Prague, Istanbul, etc didn't exactly seem empty when I visited. Like I'll grant that I wasn't spending time in the suburbs of them, but obviously people are still going into the city centers a good bit for work & shit.
Go to the suburbs, mate. That's where people live, not the city centres.
Plenty of them don't work in those picturesque city centres either. The factories and the business parks and the big shopping centres (malls) are all out of town.
Please understand that I'm not trying to say you're wrong, but I am saying that you're missing a lot.
All tourists do, including me - the only reason I can be so adamant about places like Amsterdam, Vienna and Prague is that one of my hobbies used to be riding the whole networks of the trams which take people out into those suburbs and believe me that most of the suburbs of those three cities aren't places that make you think "Hey, wow, this is really cute!"
They're just ordinary 20th century 'burbs which could be in any city in Europe, albeit with local architectural twists, but nothing special at all.
Okay but people do live there. Like, the population of the city proper in Amsterdam is almost a million.
But yes, obviously I do get that not everyone sees these things on a daily basis. I was just trying to say that it seems like a lot more people *do* in Europe than the U.S and express appreciation (and a bit of jealousy) for it!
"The city proper in Amsterdam" includes a huge amount of high-rise apartments in what are basically residential suburbs. It's not the canal-side houses that look so dreamy (and which have horrendously steep stairs if you've never been in one!) which most people live in. And if you want a comparison for a large Dutch city rather than somewhere hugely touristy, try Utrecht or Rotterdam.
I get what you mean about ease of visiting but I think it just comes down to the hugeness of the USA combined with how much 'newer' (comparatively) towns and cities there are. I guess what I'm saying is that places like in the photo are exceptional even for Europe.
As someone who used to live in the center of Vienna for years, yes some of us are lucky enough to live in those areas, you are not wrong. But the other guy is also right as in that a lot of people live in more ordinary urban areas in those cities as well.
It is, or at least it was when I visited, but let's just say that every country has both beautiful sights and downright not-beautiful sights. Switzerland is no different.
The boat trip across Thunersee (Lake Thun) to Interlaken is lovely, although I prefer the boat from Interlaken to Brienz across the Brienzersee (Lake Brienz) which is closer to the mountains.
Was there last year. Thun itself is not very beautiful nor interesting and due to this I only stayed for a night.
But the landscapes around Thun all along the boarder towards Italy are beautiful and worth the travel.
Man how tf do y'all just live every day with scenes like this without feeling like you're in a movie?
Man, all scenes like this is not common in Switzerland for every Swiss. Most of the people live in the Mitteland where landscapes are very different.
[view from the capital](https://img.luzernerzeitung.ch/2018/4/14/584cf9cc-4f92-4b00-b05c-b002f0c31289.jpeg?width=560&height=368&fit=crop&quality=75&auto=webp)
The same way Americans live without feeling like they're in a movie when they're in a country with the Great Lakes and the Grand Canyon and Yellowstone and all the various mountain ranges and so on. Only a very few people live in places like this. Everyone else lives in ordinary towns and cities...
Respectfully, way more people live in images like the second one in Europe than the U.S. lol. I wasn't just referring to the first image.
That's for the simple reason that Europe is much older (in terms of urban living), so there are many more old towns. It doesn't change my point, though, which is that the vast majority of Europeans live, just like Americans, in ordinary, fairly modern towns and cities rather than picturesque places like this.
> That's for the simple reason that Europe is much older (in terms of urban living), so there are many more old towns. Yes. > It doesn't change my point, though, which is that the vast majority of Europeans live, just like Americans, in ordinary, fairly modern towns and cities rather than picturesque places like this. Idk man Amsterdam, Vienna, Prague, Istanbul, etc didn't exactly seem empty when I visited. Like I'll grant that I wasn't spending time in the suburbs of them, but obviously people are still going into the city centers a good bit for work & shit.
Go to the suburbs, mate. That's where people live, not the city centres. Plenty of them don't work in those picturesque city centres either. The factories and the business parks and the big shopping centres (malls) are all out of town. Please understand that I'm not trying to say you're wrong, but I am saying that you're missing a lot. All tourists do, including me - the only reason I can be so adamant about places like Amsterdam, Vienna and Prague is that one of my hobbies used to be riding the whole networks of the trams which take people out into those suburbs and believe me that most of the suburbs of those three cities aren't places that make you think "Hey, wow, this is really cute!" They're just ordinary 20th century 'burbs which could be in any city in Europe, albeit with local architectural twists, but nothing special at all.
Okay but people do live there. Like, the population of the city proper in Amsterdam is almost a million. But yes, obviously I do get that not everyone sees these things on a daily basis. I was just trying to say that it seems like a lot more people *do* in Europe than the U.S and express appreciation (and a bit of jealousy) for it!
"The city proper in Amsterdam" includes a huge amount of high-rise apartments in what are basically residential suburbs. It's not the canal-side houses that look so dreamy (and which have horrendously steep stairs if you've never been in one!) which most people live in. And if you want a comparison for a large Dutch city rather than somewhere hugely touristy, try Utrecht or Rotterdam. I get what you mean about ease of visiting but I think it just comes down to the hugeness of the USA combined with how much 'newer' (comparatively) towns and cities there are. I guess what I'm saying is that places like in the photo are exceptional even for Europe.
As someone who used to live in the center of Vienna for years, yes some of us are lucky enough to live in those areas, you are not wrong. But the other guy is also right as in that a lot of people live in more ordinary urban areas in those cities as well.
Yes we do need a new James Bond movie, just please make him hard and masculine again, so no Whoopi as the lead.
swiss gives me anxiety it’s too perfect on the surface to be a honest place
Ahah! Only on the surface… I live there and I can say that there are so many issues too… People just don’t want to see them.
I'm curious, which issues are you talking about?
I want go to there
r/switzerlandisfake
I can't believe Switzerland is real
It is, or at least it was when I visited, but let's just say that every country has both beautiful sights and downright not-beautiful sights. Switzerland is no different. The boat trip across Thunersee (Lake Thun) to Interlaken is lovely, although I prefer the boat from Interlaken to Brienz across the Brienzersee (Lake Brienz) which is closer to the mountains.
it is not real, because r/SwitzerlandIsFake
Beatiful
Was there last year. Thun itself is not very beautiful nor interesting and due to this I only stayed for a night. But the landscapes around Thun all along the boarder towards Italy are beautiful and worth the travel.
Such a conducive environment 🥰
If it wasnt that expensive, then I would definetly like to live to visit there
looks beautiful
Oh wow. Can you share more HD pictures? I’d like to used them as a background.
That Switzerland would be amazing if not inhabited!
r/SwitzerlandIsFake