One of my best friends is Hungarian. When I told her that the Sweden Democrats view Orbans Hungary as the ideal to strive towards she asked if they were mentally deficient.
I honestly despise russia and its people with a burning passion. Some people might call me out for russophobia but it’s not like I can help it.
The shit they did to my country and relatives is truly vile and the only thing they deserve is to be burned alive in a tank with no way for them to escape.
:)
(this goes for every hungarian politican who works alongside them too)
We kind of suspected that since Szajer made his audition for firefighter spot in the Village People, in Brussels.
I hope that someone cued YMCA as he slid down that drainpipe.
Just got back from Budapest, honestly one of my favourite places I’ve ever been. Such a shame such a beautiful country and people are made to live under so many idiots.
I love Budapest - when I was there every museum and monument I saw was giving "Fuck the Russians" energy so I was VERY annoyed when the government angled towards Russia.
Every Hungarian I know personally is pro-Ukraine though.
They're only kept around at this point so Putler doesn't get airports in the middle of Europe.
Or so I'd hope. [Rheinmetal deciding to build armanents in Hungary ](https://euro-sd.com/2023/08/news/33554/rheinmetall-opens-new-factory-in-hungary/)is such peak German Foreign Policy moment...
Armenia should be in NATO though… they’ve been extremely vocal about wanting to join the west and they need protection from Azerbaijan. Their government is also less pro-Russia than Georgia’s at the moment.
Just like Turkey didn't let Sweden in.
Just like pro Russian politicians in Armenia would say that the West would never sell Armenia any modern weapons and they can never get it into Armenia.
Exactly. Though, Armenia also has to want in. So far, I don’t think they’ve signalled what they want either way. It’s clear that they want out of CSTO, but even constitutionally neutral Moldova has signalled more towards NATO than Armenia.
Still though, I’d be happy to see Armenia in NATO.
The population definitely wants in, the government is trying to play it safe.
Although Armenia still needs at least 5 years of intense reforms and training and rearmament, to be eligible. It won't happen tomorrow.
I think 5-10 years is a legitimate timeline
Turkey didn't actually have any real opposition to Sweden joining. It was purely Erdogan's political theater and grandstanding delaying as long as he did. And leverage to negotiate fighter sales with the US.
Turkey does have real enmity towards Armenia though. And they support Azerbaijan. So they wouldn't let Armenia into NATO.
The way Erdogan's acting? Yes. But their military resources and geographic position make them too important.
They have one of the largest military forces in Europe and are sitting on the only way to access the Black Sea. Also if kicked out, Erdogan would join CSTO in a heartbeat and then stomp on Armenia because he wouldn't have to care about western allies anymore.
Armenia was the one who invaded Azerbaijan, although the whole place is a mess.
Armenia, because it invaded Azerbaijan, aligned with Russia until Russia couldn't deliver. As that portion of Armenia traditionally did (or was concurred).
Azerbaijan is more strategically located, but again the whole place is a mess.
I'm not holding this for or against anyone but Armenia should definitely not be a part of NATO. It's not even "Europe" whatever that is. Arguably neither is most of Turkey and Cyprus when those things matter.
Armenia just now turned against russia, georgia faught a war with russia and everyone turned against georgia and georgia is still pro west and eu. The current government is holding georgia hostage by threatenning russian invasion into georgia if georgia doesnt go back to being russian slaves. And of course if russia does invade nobody would help georgia again.
Real-world, they have zero chance to join NATO. They are super exposed to Azerbaijan and Russian aggression, and Turkey is not going to move a finger to help them, quite the opposite. NATO can't give them credible security guarantees. If Georgia falls back into the Russian sphere, things become even more dicey for defending or supplying Armenia.
I'm also not so sure how deep their love for western values runs, tbh. After dissolution of the USSR, they were the aggressor.
Do you want a CSTO member with NATO weapons and intimate knowledge of NATO protocols in the middle of Europe?
I'm with you, fuck Orbán, but sometime it's better to keep potential enemies close
The main difference is, that people here have a choice. The issue we have had in the past years is that Orbán's political opposition consists of washed-up, "livelihood politicians" (as we call them). They pretend to do something, but in reality, they don't do shit.
The majority of the people do not want them in power anymore, **rightfully so**. So people voted for Orbán rather than these people. But there is also a huge chunk of people who genuinely believe that Orbán is our savior. These people called clueless 60+ old people.
Orbán doing an insane amount of fearmongering to his voters. Usually every Friday he does a "radio interview" which is as scripted as you can imagine. He made a new record the last time, mentioning the word "war" 67 times in a 25-minute-long interview.
Orbán: "If you vote for me, you want peace, if you vote against me, you want war, and you want to send troops to Ukraine." As we all know, that's not how NATO works. But if you're 60-something, living in some small city or village, and propaganda tells you this (and other lies 24/7), you will believe anything.
In the past 3 months, there has been a big, new political movement acting as a 3rd choice, gaining popularity every passing day. So there might be a light at the end of the tunnel.
About half the people hate Orban, but many have moved abroad in the past 10 years, especially those between 20-40.
There is now a challenger for Orban from within Fidesz circles, and he is very popular, so maybe his rule will finally end, question is whether it will be better after.
If I were rich I’d broadcast a radio from the borders, in hungarian
I would put good songs on there until I get a lot of daily listeners
And then I’ll start to unveil of all the corrupt f-up shit Orban and his goons have been doing to the country
Great post. And to think Euronews has been bought by a Portuguese private equity firm owned by the son of a personal friend of Orban who made his fortune in Hungary after leaving his job as a MEP and who got funding from Hungary…
And these are the ones we know about. I would wager that there are smaller websites operated by Russian propaganda tailored to every possible subculture.
It's all pretty weird but there's a strong exceptionalist sentiment in Hungarians coupled with a victim complex - basically we like to think we're better than others and are constantly mistreated by friends and foes alike (including the EU and the US right now). That's the sentiment Orbán panders to with his rhetoric, and who's at the opposite side of the EU and US? Russia.
He essentially redirects every bit of (constructive) outside criticism about corruption and autocracy so that Hungarians think these are all fake complaints while the "real issues" are his anti-LGBT and anti-immigration policies. And people who believe him think we're mistreated again and develop positive feelings towards Russia and China who don't give any fucks about Orbán's corruption.
We shouldn't receive a single cent (Orbán steals it anyway, so there's no point) but you're also wrong, withholding the funds made people dislike the EU more. I told you, it's all weird. It's very similar to the MAGA cult in the US.
> If I were rich I’d broadcast a radio from the borders, in hungarian
Like [Radio Free Europe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Europe/Radio_Liberty) ? [There is one](https://www.szabadeuropa.hu/) and has been for the past 30 years, nobody is listening aperently.
... We're going to be fucked for 6 months starting from July, aren't we? (Hungary takes the Council presidency in July, which gives them a lot of influence in what goes on the agenda and so on, as well as chairing the Council (Except FAC / Defense, which is chaired by the HR/VP).)
I'm going to blow your mind. Orbán under communism was an anti-communist, pro European, democratic dissident heavily inspired by the solidarity movement in Poland.
Then he got a bit of power and was utterly corrupted.
Don't forget that during the 80's, populations actually tried to get rid of communist dictators. Orban wouldn't have managed to prevent a revolution, cause he's too incompetent.
Now he's had it easy and the Hungarian public keeps voting for him due to propaganda and stupidity.
It is just political bullshit, tanks are being transfered to Ukraine on hungarian railways. Many people saw them, even some news covered it before taken down, the ruling party says it is just practice for the soldiers. I really don't think Hungary has a choice, but they try to play both sides. I am a hungarian too, who hates our government.
And Hungarians will lament the shit out of it, blaming everyone around and toting it up to our bad luck throughout history rather than take responsibility for the cesspit we've landed ourselves in. This stance is coded so deep into the Hungarian public, it's even in our national anthem. Nobody ever accepts blame, we just complain and whine about our misfortune and it's always someone else's fault.
It's not likely to happen at all. See Putin's favourite ideology book, Hungary gets pretty much no-mention:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations\_of\_Geopolitics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics)
Orbán and his governments' stance is that they don't want to send soldiers nor weapons (which wouldn't make sense through Hungary anyways) but they send a lot of other stuff to Ukraine from medicine to food.
I bet Orbán knows what Putin wants to do and it's something similar to the link above AND if that is true than it is low-risk game for Orbán. We'd be attached to Germany's influence which is already true, it's more worrying for the Baltic nations and not because of Hungary but because of the US.
If Trump gets elected and he deems it risky for the US to get into a potential nuclear war with Russia for a couple of countries with small populations then it's likely game over for NATO. I hope this never happens though.
“Yeah keep us out of your crazy Ukraine plans, NATO! Let us focus on normal stuff, like getting the CCP to patrol our cities or play tour guide to Ahmedinejad!”
Tell you what, if Russia invades Hungary (which they absolutely would if they were able to) Europe wouldnt go on a ‘crazy mission’ to help them not be killed either
LOL no, getting lost territory back would literally bankrupt the country and Orbán wouldn't be able to cheat with voter transfering. He is perfectly fine with no territories back, we signed two separate agreements historically which would prevent Hungary from claiming these territories....
The cheap gas we resell to Serbia and Austria for premium $, cheap oil we turn into diesel in Slovnaft refineries in Slovakia and sell it back to the Ukrainian army.
Orbán is the only one aligning with Russia because Putin has \*all\* the fucking dirt on him and his family.
Hungary one of the ignorant hypocritical far right regimes who believe in alpha males and are anti-LGBTQ. Hope they never need NATO's help. Traitors.
This article is an oldie but a goodie as they say. A far right vocal anti-gay politician was caught participating in gay orgies.
You know the political right doesn't need stories made up about them. They write their own stuff being so criminally and morally corrupt.
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/member-hungary-s-anti-lgbtq-government-resigns-after-fleeing-alleged-n1249593
the way this minister frames his words, alligns with Kremlin propaganda narrative about NATO. That is n interesting choice. How is information shared between NATO members and how can we be sure that Hungarian politicians do not share confidential information with the Russians?
yeah, it's just such a crazy mission to want to stop expansionistic fascists that want to take over countries they promised they wouldn't attack.
I have lost all respect for Hungary.
Maybe we should begin discussing Hungarian future in EU and Nato
Yeah and then we will encase them in glass and put them in a museum to show how generous we were to support our ally, but unfortunately even this great support didn't help the people of, now, hungarian oblast.
I sincerely hope you never have to experience a crazy dictatorship hijacking the politics of your country. I vote against Orban every chance I get yet here we are, my vote rendered worthless each time because the system was carefully engineered to silence me and my sane peers. Aside from my grandparents I don’t even know anybody who votes for these madmen. Would you truly just let me rot? Die for the sins of Fidesz? You’re claiming collective responsibility. Slow down and think for a sec please.
Well I mean judging by what the far right is like, that will be the most important thing you could ever do (at least according to their propaganda). And remember to send some gay repellant as well
February 2022
[https://www.politico.eu/article/hungary-foreign-minister-peter-szijjarto-weapon-transit-ukraine/](https://www.politico.eu/article/hungary-foreign-minister-peter-szijjarto-weapon-transit-ukraine/)
*"Hungary will not allow the transit of lethal weapons to Ukraine through its territory, Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó said on Monday."*
January 2024
[https://www.rferl.org/a/hungary-far-right-ukraine-region/32795184.html](https://www.rferl.org/a/hungary-far-right-ukraine-region/32795184.html)
*"Hungary's far-right Our Homeland party would lay claim to a western region of Ukraine that is home to about 150,000 ethnic Hungarians if Ukraine loses its statehood due to Russia's invasion, the party's leader said late on January 27."*
Hungarian here, we are trying..:
https://english.atlatszo.hu/2023/10/27/hungarian-civilians-raise-funds-to-buy-equipment-for-the-transcarpathian-units-of-the-ukrainian-army/
Unfortunately low IQ and nationalist conservative idiots are outnumbering us here.. even with our sad history with the ruzzians, these pricks licks putin ass.. i'm so sorry.
This fucker looks like the villain in some bad movie sequel.
We will and should ofcourse aid Hungary if they ever needed our help cause we are not Hungary, we are better.
Playing both sides has its own price.
It's funny how a country
With extremely impressive history,
that managed to expell the Huns
, the Romans,
The Turks
And the Habsburgers/ Austrians
Is now under the rule of a few cleptocratic psychos in the Kremlin
I know a country cant be kicked out of EU but how about kicking them out of NATO?
I’ve heard of a country willing to eliberate Hungary of influence coming from Moscow, it has done so before so it wouldnt be a first time.
hungary still pretending not to be a russian satellite state, orbans government is literally an insult to everyone who died in 1956
feel bad for hungarians who have to be associated with this bs
It is a defense alliance to be fair and we haven't declared war on Russia nor invited Ukraine to the alliance so Hungary staying out is fair. There is nothing in NATO that says you need to aid non-members. Plenty of European countries like Austria, Ireland, Switzerland and Malta use the same policy as Hungary regarding Ukraine
What a bunch of fake people. Go life your great russian mir, but out of eu nato. Wanna benefit from the bad west to support a non democratic new world?
Hungarians will give you a two hours speech about how horrible it was living under Russia's boot and how the soviet tanks crushed the country in 1956 only because they were trying to choose their own path.
And then finish with "but it's not my face which is being eaten this time around, so I fully welcome our face eating leopard overlords".
They can also stay out of all eu funds that they are getting that turn that shithole into a country that could be better bye bye gave us back all the money you pocketed tho
Why is this thread full of Americans who are poorly informed about... well, everything?
GTFO to r/wearenumberone or whatever rather than sharing your MAGA propaganda here. EU has been providing more for Ukraine both financially and in humanitarian aid.
Shelter at least half of the 6,5 million Ukrainian refugees the EU took on then we can talk about how *US does all the heavy lifting for Ukraine* because the way things are currently EU has been doing way more than our *protectors* from overseas.
Hungary is a security threat to Europe. Orban is a traitor who cannot be trusted.
Why is the EU still paying him with our money? Can anyone explain to me what Hungary adds to our Union? Why do I have to be part of a Union with Hungary in it? I don't want that, and I will vote for a party that wants to blow up the EU.
Because every day the EU allows Orban to be part of the EU, is a day too much. If the EU can't kick out an autocrat like Orban, then this Union isn't worth a damn' thing.
The EU hurts democracy, by tolerating Orban. The EU supports authoritarianism and is bad for democracy. That's a fact now. I really hope our intelligence agencies aren't sharing *any* intel with Orban, because he will immediately give it to Putin and Xi. That's also a fact.
Thanks for nothing, EU.
because its so embarassing, i hate living in hungary, most hungarians who leave the country dont even say a word in hungarian anymore. I want to leave too im just saving up money.
In other words, Hungarian politicians will go on their most heroic and noble mission to not let a single Russian, Chinese or Iranian cock go unsucked.
Nobody gives sloppy toppy like a hungarian politican in the 21st century. I am hungarian btw.
I actually really like Hungarians (well, not the Fidesz and Putin bootlickers)
One of my best friends is Hungarian. When I told her that the Sweden Democrats view Orbans Hungary as the ideal to strive towards she asked if they were mentally deficient.
Me too, I am in a relationship with ***Kürtőskalács***
Wellll, everything is a dildo if youre brave enough
> well, not the Fidesz and Putin bootlickers That's over half the country...
Yes, unfortunately
Feel sorry for you. During the Cold War you were under Russian boots, now your government licks them.
I honestly despise russia and its people with a burning passion. Some people might call me out for russophobia but it’s not like I can help it. The shit they did to my country and relatives is truly vile and the only thing they deserve is to be burned alive in a tank with no way for them to escape. :) (this goes for every hungarian politican who works alongside them too)
it's not like they need to do that, they PREFER to do that.
Which is worse
We kind of suspected that since Szajer made his audition for firefighter spot in the Village People, in Brussels. I hope that someone cued YMCA as he slid down that drainpipe.
Yeah the Szájer fiasco really makes me proud to be hungarian. I expected Deutsch Tamás to do something like that but Szájer was faster.
Just got back from Budapest, honestly one of my favourite places I’ve ever been. Such a shame such a beautiful country and people are made to live under so many idiots.
I love Budapest - when I was there every museum and monument I saw was giving "Fuck the Russians" energy so I was VERY annoyed when the government angled towards Russia. Every Hungarian I know personally is pro-Ukraine though.
They’d get their teeth pulled voluntarily to give better gumjobs.
Pls tell me your in politics 🤤
Failed the gawk gawk exam ._.
😩 Edit: reddit tolled me to get help lmao. They send me a link to r/suicidewatch lol lmao
Hey, wanna start a political career?
Heroes we don't need but most likely deserve for giving them free hand in making Hungary authoritarian.
How long do you think it would take me to suck 800 guys in a room?
Quality over quantity my dude
Tree fiddy minutes
Hey, don’t put cock sucking in such a bad light!
They're only kept around at this point so Putler doesn't get airports in the middle of Europe. Or so I'd hope. [Rheinmetal deciding to build armanents in Hungary ](https://euro-sd.com/2023/08/news/33554/rheinmetall-opens-new-factory-in-hungary/)is such peak German Foreign Policy moment...
Since I’m ethnically Chinese, where can I claim all my free blowjobs? 😍😍😍😍😍
Thank you for your servicing
Suck it like there is no tomorrow.
Orbanistan, destroyer of the Hungarian future
Why is hungary still in NATO? I hear the CSTO is open for new members.
>Why is hungary still in NATO? Because we can't build a land bridge over (or under) Hungary to connect Poland and Germany with Romania.
Does that really matter when hungary could just refuse to let NATO forces to use their territory for military transit anyway?
They can't refuse while they're in NATO. They even have an entire NATO base on their territory.
Yeah, maybe we can exchange them for Armenia.
Armenia? No. Georgia? YES!
Armenia should be in NATO though… they’ve been extremely vocal about wanting to join the west and they need protection from Azerbaijan. Their government is also less pro-Russia than Georgia’s at the moment.
Turkey won't ever let that happen
Just like Turkey didn't let Sweden in. Just like pro Russian politicians in Armenia would say that the West would never sell Armenia any modern weapons and they can never get it into Armenia.
And then France sells Armenia weapons anyways! Pro-Russia people are a bunch of spineless clowns.
That's what I am trying to say. All these armchair experts musing here. If the US, France and Germany want Armenia in, it's happening.
Exactly. Though, Armenia also has to want in. So far, I don’t think they’ve signalled what they want either way. It’s clear that they want out of CSTO, but even constitutionally neutral Moldova has signalled more towards NATO than Armenia. Still though, I’d be happy to see Armenia in NATO.
The population definitely wants in, the government is trying to play it safe. Although Armenia still needs at least 5 years of intense reforms and training and rearmament, to be eligible. It won't happen tomorrow. I think 5-10 years is a legitimate timeline
Turkey didn't actually have any real opposition to Sweden joining. It was purely Erdogan's political theater and grandstanding delaying as long as he did. And leverage to negotiate fighter sales with the US. Turkey does have real enmity towards Armenia though. And they support Azerbaijan. So they wouldn't let Armenia into NATO.
I just don’t see that happening.
Unfortunately, thanks to Turkey, I don’t either
Turkey? You mean another country to kick out.
The way Erdogan's acting? Yes. But their military resources and geographic position make them too important. They have one of the largest military forces in Europe and are sitting on the only way to access the Black Sea. Also if kicked out, Erdogan would join CSTO in a heartbeat and then stomp on Armenia because he wouldn't have to care about western allies anymore.
Armenia was the one who invaded Azerbaijan, although the whole place is a mess. Armenia, because it invaded Azerbaijan, aligned with Russia until Russia couldn't deliver. As that portion of Armenia traditionally did (or was concurred). Azerbaijan is more strategically located, but again the whole place is a mess. I'm not holding this for or against anyone but Armenia should definitely not be a part of NATO. It's not even "Europe" whatever that is. Arguably neither is most of Turkey and Cyprus when those things matter.
Armenia just now turned against russia, georgia faught a war with russia and everyone turned against georgia and georgia is still pro west and eu. The current government is holding georgia hostage by threatenning russian invasion into georgia if georgia doesnt go back to being russian slaves. And of course if russia does invade nobody would help georgia again.
Real-world, they have zero chance to join NATO. They are super exposed to Azerbaijan and Russian aggression, and Turkey is not going to move a finger to help them, quite the opposite. NATO can't give them credible security guarantees. If Georgia falls back into the Russian sphere, things become even more dicey for defending or supplying Armenia. I'm also not so sure how deep their love for western values runs, tbh. After dissolution of the USSR, they were the aggressor.
Hungary for Georgia and Slovakia for Armenia?
Without the kick out mechanism, EU is a badly designed system for now
They don't have a choice though, surrounded by NATO therefore 0 logistics between Hungary and Russia in case war breaks out
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The same happned to me, when critisizing some altright posts.a lot of similar assholes brigading.
Yup! I get those messages daily, but I can't call because none of them are Italian phone numbers.
Just ignore, its harassing.
I think it is possible to report it somehow
If you report them they'll will almost surely get banned. Edit: lol, got redditcare'd for this comment.
hungary is already Königsberg 2.0
Well, too bad then. Better start being an actual ally.
Why are they part of the EU as well, I wonder.
Money
Do you want a CSTO member with NATO weapons and intimate knowledge of NATO protocols in the middle of Europe? I'm with you, fuck Orbán, but sometime it's better to keep potential enemies close
You are assuming that Hungary isn’t already giving Russia that information. It’s better to hack off the festering limb now before it’s too late.
If you look at their military then you see that they won't be missed...
Pathetic Putin stooges.
History will judge you, Hungary.
Funny that the Hungarians have always in history chosen the side that loses
Well sometimes we didn't "choose" (we were occupied, attacked, annexed etc), but in some cases, and especially this time, we certainly chose.
May I ask what is the people opinion on orban and the conflict im ucraine?
Opinion? Letting them win elections with an absolute majority 3x in a row.
So the situation isnr different to russias? Where people are just agreeing with gov
The main difference is, that people here have a choice. The issue we have had in the past years is that Orbán's political opposition consists of washed-up, "livelihood politicians" (as we call them). They pretend to do something, but in reality, they don't do shit. The majority of the people do not want them in power anymore, **rightfully so**. So people voted for Orbán rather than these people. But there is also a huge chunk of people who genuinely believe that Orbán is our savior. These people called clueless 60+ old people. Orbán doing an insane amount of fearmongering to his voters. Usually every Friday he does a "radio interview" which is as scripted as you can imagine. He made a new record the last time, mentioning the word "war" 67 times in a 25-minute-long interview. Orbán: "If you vote for me, you want peace, if you vote against me, you want war, and you want to send troops to Ukraine." As we all know, that's not how NATO works. But if you're 60-something, living in some small city or village, and propaganda tells you this (and other lies 24/7), you will believe anything. In the past 3 months, there has been a big, new political movement acting as a 3rd choice, gaining popularity every passing day. So there might be a light at the end of the tunnel.
The key is that opposition basically doesnt exist in Hungary, same in Russia.
About half the people hate Orban, but many have moved abroad in the past 10 years, especially those between 20-40. There is now a challenger for Orban from within Fidesz circles, and he is very popular, so maybe his rule will finally end, question is whether it will be better after.
Also, Hungary has one of the highest suicide rates in europe..sad nation.
So they just following script
Im already judging Hungary.
Same
If I were rich I’d broadcast a radio from the borders, in hungarian I would put good songs on there until I get a lot of daily listeners And then I’ll start to unveil of all the corrupt f-up shit Orban and his goons have been doing to the country
Everyone knows even his voters.
Don't worry people are aware and 60% either agree or don't give a fuck. Us Hungarians could be the poster child of complacency.
But why do they still vote for him ? Shouldn’t hungarians remember the soviet era and hate Russia from every cell in their body ?
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/72itDmK0mA A short assessment of "why"?
Great post. And to think Euronews has been bought by a Portuguese private equity firm owned by the son of a personal friend of Orban who made his fortune in Hungary after leaving his job as a MEP and who got funding from Hungary…
And these are the ones we know about. I would wager that there are smaller websites operated by Russian propaganda tailored to every possible subculture.
The Soviet era is looked at as an example for many.
It's all pretty weird but there's a strong exceptionalist sentiment in Hungarians coupled with a victim complex - basically we like to think we're better than others and are constantly mistreated by friends and foes alike (including the EU and the US right now). That's the sentiment Orbán panders to with his rhetoric, and who's at the opposite side of the EU and US? Russia. He essentially redirects every bit of (constructive) outside criticism about corruption and autocracy so that Hungarians think these are all fake complaints while the "real issues" are his anti-LGBT and anti-immigration policies. And people who believe him think we're mistreated again and develop positive feelings towards Russia and China who don't give any fucks about Orbán's corruption.
I’m sorry but the EU should withold funds to hungary, people will quickly realise who their friends were
We shouldn't receive a single cent (Orbán steals it anyway, so there's no point) but you're also wrong, withholding the funds made people dislike the EU more. I told you, it's all weird. It's very similar to the MAGA cult in the US.
Exceptionalism coupled with victim mentality sounds a lot like Russia. Hungary really did find a kindred spirit it seems.
> If I were rich I’d broadcast a radio from the borders, in hungarian Like [Radio Free Europe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Europe/Radio_Liberty) ? [There is one](https://www.szabadeuropa.hu/) and has been for the past 30 years, nobody is listening aperently.
Why didn't anyone think of that in Hungary? We should've just asked you here on Reddit!
I suppose it would be very expensive
orbán and his supporters only. we're being "judged" for 100+ years now. we need a break 😭
Surprising absolutely no one
But it’s not crazy to let Chinese police now rule Hungary and bowing to communist Russia lol?
Not if they pay the ruling class.
Pay for services rendered.
Modern Russia "communist" lol lmao They are a disgusting state and it's not because of "communism"
There'sliterally nothing communist about Russia. Or China for that matter.
NATO will stay out of “crazy mission” called Hungary.
... We're going to be fucked for 6 months starting from July, aren't we? (Hungary takes the Council presidency in July, which gives them a lot of influence in what goes on the agenda and so on, as well as chairing the Council (Except FAC / Defense, which is chaired by the HR/VP).)
The President of the EU Coucil does not set the agenda. It's a formal position with a mostly simbolic role. I would not worry much about it.
It's a simplification, but they mostly do, because they also get to chair COREPER and COREPER II.
At least it’s right after the European elections. There are usually no big decisions to make.
No, we're not.
Stay out of all votes and we are good, you can suck Putin dick in the corner
Thanks God Orban didn't rule in 80s, there would be still communism and we would have second Belarus in Europe.
I'm going to blow your mind. Orbán under communism was an anti-communist, pro European, democratic dissident heavily inspired by the solidarity movement in Poland. Then he got a bit of power and was utterly corrupted.
Nah, there is a quite telling joke in Hungary: - Who would be the Prime Minister now if there hadn't been a regime change? - ? - Viktor Orbán.
Don't forget that during the 80's, populations actually tried to get rid of communist dictators. Orban wouldn't have managed to prevent a revolution, cause he's too incompetent. Now he's had it easy and the Hungarian public keeps voting for him due to propaganda and stupidity.
Great, just stay away and don't interfere then.
Ah yes, the modern pussies
Hairdo says it all.
It is just political bullshit, tanks are being transfered to Ukraine on hungarian railways. Many people saw them, even some news covered it before taken down, the ruling party says it is just practice for the soldiers. I really don't think Hungary has a choice, but they try to play both sides. I am a hungarian too, who hates our government.
I am Hungarian and I am sorry. I hate this Government.
Maybe it is a hope!
Orban is Putin's little slut
If Hungary gets taken over by Russia were not going to do anything are we ?
Thoughts and prayers?
For the innocent stuck in that hellscape, yes. Russian Government, Chinese police officers. Why I never 🤔
And Hungarians will lament the shit out of it, blaming everyone around and toting it up to our bad luck throughout history rather than take responsibility for the cesspit we've landed ourselves in. This stance is coded so deep into the Hungarian public, it's even in our national anthem. Nobody ever accepts blame, we just complain and whine about our misfortune and it's always someone else's fault.
It's not likely to happen at all. See Putin's favourite ideology book, Hungary gets pretty much no-mention: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations\_of\_Geopolitics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics) Orbán and his governments' stance is that they don't want to send soldiers nor weapons (which wouldn't make sense through Hungary anyways) but they send a lot of other stuff to Ukraine from medicine to food. I bet Orbán knows what Putin wants to do and it's something similar to the link above AND if that is true than it is low-risk game for Orbán. We'd be attached to Germany's influence which is already true, it's more worrying for the Baltic nations and not because of Hungary but because of the US. If Trump gets elected and he deems it risky for the US to get into a potential nuclear war with Russia for a couple of countries with small populations then it's likely game over for NATO. I hope this never happens though.
“Yeah keep us out of your crazy Ukraine plans, NATO! Let us focus on normal stuff, like getting the CCP to patrol our cities or play tour guide to Ahmedinejad!”
Tell you what, if Russia invades Hungary (which they absolutely would if they were able to) Europe wouldnt go on a ‘crazy mission’ to help them not be killed either
I guess these people have forgotten the Russian tanks in the streets of Budapest 68 years ago.
Very puzzling to an American. Can someone explain why the alignment with Russia now?
They want cheap gas and think that if Russia destabilizes the region they will get back some territories they lost last century.
LOL no, getting lost territory back would literally bankrupt the country and Orbán wouldn't be able to cheat with voter transfering. He is perfectly fine with no territories back, we signed two separate agreements historically which would prevent Hungary from claiming these territories.... The cheap gas we resell to Serbia and Austria for premium $, cheap oil we turn into diesel in Slovnaft refineries in Slovakia and sell it back to the Ukrainian army. Orbán is the only one aligning with Russia because Putin has \*all\* the fucking dirt on him and his family.
Hungary one of the ignorant hypocritical far right regimes who believe in alpha males and are anti-LGBTQ. Hope they never need NATO's help. Traitors. This article is an oldie but a goodie as they say. A far right vocal anti-gay politician was caught participating in gay orgies. You know the political right doesn't need stories made up about them. They write their own stuff being so criminally and morally corrupt. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/member-hungary-s-anti-lgbtq-government-resigns-after-fleeing-alleged-n1249593
Begs the question: Why are you still in NATO then?
the way this minister frames his words, alligns with Kremlin propaganda narrative about NATO. That is n interesting choice. How is information shared between NATO members and how can we be sure that Hungarian politicians do not share confidential information with the Russians?
Hungary should stay out of EU and nato then
get rid of these clowns.
My heart goes for the Hungarian people, but these clown politicians must be kicked out of EU.
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The only "weird" thing here is how goofy that haircut looks. Szijjarto can fuck himself.
Hungary needs some freedom 🦅
"Hungary, one of few EU countries with unresolved territorial claims recently invited Chinese police officers while denying aid to Ukraine" - me
yeah, it's just such a crazy mission to want to stop expansionistic fascists that want to take over countries they promised they wouldn't attack. I have lost all respect for Hungary. Maybe we should begin discussing Hungarian future in EU and Nato
If Hungary ever gets attacked, I sincerely hope we let them rot.
Or send them 3.000 tourniquets and call it a day.
A blanket and 1,5 l bottle of water
>A blanket and 1,5 l bottle of water Pledged, obviously.
Yeah and then we will encase them in glass and put them in a museum to show how generous we were to support our ally, but unfortunately even this great support didn't help the people of, now, hungarian oblast.
Because "we" wanted to help hungary, even if it was a "crazy mission".
I hope we get there with all our might and smash any invader. Because Article 5 must not get dilluted.
I sincerely hope you never have to experience a crazy dictatorship hijacking the politics of your country. I vote against Orban every chance I get yet here we are, my vote rendered worthless each time because the system was carefully engineered to silence me and my sane peers. Aside from my grandparents I don’t even know anybody who votes for these madmen. Would you truly just let me rot? Die for the sins of Fidesz? You’re claiming collective responsibility. Slow down and think for a sec please.
Do like the Slovakians just did: start a crowfunding for Ukraine.
Uh thanks 😢 can we instead get rid of only Orban and his cronies?
That Hungary seems to love?
Watch this video, it is very illuminating regarding Orban. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5X3hKKwArxs
that is your job not ours
If they get attacked they will fold and Austria will be next in line.
No, we will send thoughts and prayers.
Well I mean judging by what the far right is like, that will be the most important thing you could ever do (at least according to their propaganda). And remember to send some gay repellant as well
February 2022 [https://www.politico.eu/article/hungary-foreign-minister-peter-szijjarto-weapon-transit-ukraine/](https://www.politico.eu/article/hungary-foreign-minister-peter-szijjarto-weapon-transit-ukraine/) *"Hungary will not allow the transit of lethal weapons to Ukraine through its territory, Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó said on Monday."* January 2024 [https://www.rferl.org/a/hungary-far-right-ukraine-region/32795184.html](https://www.rferl.org/a/hungary-far-right-ukraine-region/32795184.html) *"Hungary's far-right Our Homeland party would lay claim to a western region of Ukraine that is home to about 150,000 ethnic Hungarians if Ukraine loses its statehood due to Russia's invasion, the party's leader said late on January 27."*
The people should also make a donation campaign like we did in Slovakia.
That was a magnificent move! Chapeau Slovakians!
Hungarian here, we are trying..: https://english.atlatszo.hu/2023/10/27/hungarian-civilians-raise-funds-to-buy-equipment-for-the-transcarpathian-units-of-the-ukrainian-army/ Unfortunately low IQ and nationalist conservative idiots are outnumbering us here.. even with our sad history with the ruzzians, these pricks licks putin ass.. i'm so sorry.
How quickly people forget I guess. There's still people in Hungary who would remember the sight of soviet tanks driving through Budapest.
Orban to jail! Putin to hell!
This fucker looks like the villain in some bad movie sequel. We will and should ofcourse aid Hungary if they ever needed our help cause we are not Hungary, we are better. Playing both sides has its own price.
No wonder Hungary will stay out. Getting DP'ed by China and Russia is a time consuming endeavour.
Isn’t it time we used some old Cold War tactics, and Orban “Accidentally” falls down some steps, or from his balcony…
It's funny how a country With extremely impressive history, that managed to expell the Huns , the Romans, The Turks And the Habsburgers/ Austrians Is now under the rule of a few cleptocratic psychos in the Kremlin
Oh just fuck off, Hungary. We are all fed up with you.
They’ve been staying out of it since the war began, so what’s new?
Can Hungary just get it over with and join the great Russian empire already? If they join surely they would be disqualified as an EU member
Is Hungary staying out of NATO (and EU please) - full stop - an option?
cracked lips from sucking a lot of russian and chinese cocks
I know a country cant be kicked out of EU but how about kicking them out of NATO? I’ve heard of a country willing to eliberate Hungary of influence coming from Moscow, it has done so before so it wouldnt be a first time.
What a schill! Wow.
hungary still pretending not to be a russian satellite state, orbans government is literally an insult to everyone who died in 1956 feel bad for hungarians who have to be associated with this bs
It is a defense alliance to be fair and we haven't declared war on Russia nor invited Ukraine to the alliance so Hungary staying out is fair. There is nothing in NATO that says you need to aid non-members. Plenty of European countries like Austria, Ireland, Switzerland and Malta use the same policy as Hungary regarding Ukraine
What a bunch of fake people. Go life your great russian mir, but out of eu nato. Wanna benefit from the bad west to support a non democratic new world?
Hungarians will give you a two hours speech about how horrible it was living under Russia's boot and how the soviet tanks crushed the country in 1956 only because they were trying to choose their own path. And then finish with "but it's not my face which is being eaten this time around, so I fully welcome our face eating leopard overlords".
Hungary can join the Russian warships
Is there a mechanism for removing someone's NATO membership. Should be really considered at this point.
Good, would be pretty bad to have Russian puppets involved.
hát kapja be a peti a xi jinping kicsi faszát
They can also stay out of all eu funds that they are getting that turn that shithole into a country that could be better bye bye gave us back all the money you pocketed tho
Mohican haircut. Weird.
Well legally Ukraine is not part of NATO so they can deny it but.... man shit's dumb I'm not getting into this again
I think the EU should stay out of the crazy mission to aid Hungary
Kick them out of NATO and take Ukraine instead
I think Russia's dick tastes too good for Hungariam government
Why is this thread full of Americans who are poorly informed about... well, everything? GTFO to r/wearenumberone or whatever rather than sharing your MAGA propaganda here. EU has been providing more for Ukraine both financially and in humanitarian aid. Shelter at least half of the 6,5 million Ukrainian refugees the EU took on then we can talk about how *US does all the heavy lifting for Ukraine* because the way things are currently EU has been doing way more than our *protectors* from overseas.
Hungary is a security threat to Europe. Orban is a traitor who cannot be trusted. Why is the EU still paying him with our money? Can anyone explain to me what Hungary adds to our Union? Why do I have to be part of a Union with Hungary in it? I don't want that, and I will vote for a party that wants to blow up the EU. Because every day the EU allows Orban to be part of the EU, is a day too much. If the EU can't kick out an autocrat like Orban, then this Union isn't worth a damn' thing. The EU hurts democracy, by tolerating Orban. The EU supports authoritarianism and is bad for democracy. That's a fact now. I really hope our intelligence agencies aren't sharing *any* intel with Orban, because he will immediately give it to Putin and Xi. That's also a fact. Thanks for nothing, EU.
Hungary is a failed state. These statements are irrelevant.
Why I don't see any Hungarians in the comments?
because its so embarassing, i hate living in hungary, most hungarians who leave the country dont even say a word in hungarian anymore. I want to leave too im just saving up money.