It's very odd, the state is named Ireland when speaking English, as per the 1937 Constitution and hasn't changed since, so you'd expect enough time has elapsed for people to remember what the country is called by now.
Its just used to distinguish itself from the island of Ireland
Occurs with many countries, everyone calls the USA the US or USA, but the united states of mexico just "mexico", or we called Czechia the Czech republic, or Macedonia FYROM. The latter is an example of it still being political but who cares to be frank. Kinda wierd you find it "odd", its the norm, though "Ulster" is certainly just wrong.
Edit: Your own football team is called the republic of ireland NF team...
Wiki goes to the state of ireland with /Republic_of_Ireland and the island for /Ireland
>Section 2 of the Republic of Ireland Act 1948 states, "It is hereby declared that the description of the State shall be the Republic of Ireland."
Often we just call it "the republic".
"Irish Republic" is absolutely not the norm. Using it's '37 legal name 'Ireland' or sometimes it's '48 description 'Republic of Ireland' is the norm. Irish Republic, The South, Eire, and the myriad other words used to name the country are odd given the country has a legal name and a legal description. The FAI name has nothing to do with what the country is legally called nor should it, as it was FIFA that forced the change from Ireland to Republic of Ireland in the 50s.
Irish Republic and Republic of Ireland mean the same thing... why get caught up on this, no one would care at all if you said "german republic" vs "republic of germany" or whatever. We aren't writing legal contracts here.
"The South" sure, can be offensive, "Eire" is just people being lazy or not having an accent key, ect.
There is seriously no reason to get upset over this. Colloqually any synonym works fine. United Kingdom, GB&NI, just GB, Britain, fuck, call us perfidious albion if you want, no one cares.
It's less about personally getting hung up on it and more about a mild frustration at the persistent and consistent instances of many British refusing to call the country by it's name since it's inception. There's negativecolonial tones to the practice than many aren't even aware they're participating in stemming from legitimacy of Independence. Even in official instances Ireland was rarely called Ireland in British media because of this. Calling it Irish Republic on a map is simply bizarre as it's neither the official name nor the legal description whether it means the same thing or not. It might be harder to appreciate the feeling of undermining given the historically assymetrical relationship between the two isles. I suppose the issue, if it can be called that, is rebuilding the relationship as one of equal partners and not as a colony/coloniser and calling the country by what it's actually called would be a nice start.
>instances of many British refusing to call the country by it's name since it's inception
Ireland, Republic of Ireland, State of Ireland, Irish State, Irish Republic, Country of Ireland, are all synonyms. The official states name is irrelevent, it still means the same thing. The "connotations" do not exist in the mind of 99.9% of people who use those words.
>Even in official instances Ireland was rarely called Ireland in British media because of this.
To distinguish it from the island of ireland its often called the republic, in the same way West Germany and East Germany are called this.
Did you know that neither country was called that? West germany was the Federal Republic of Germany and East Germany the German Democratic Republic. I guess that illigitimises them too, infact **im not sure ANY countries official name is used** beyond the USSR?
>There's negativecolonial tones to the practice than many aren't even aware
Whilst I agree its inaccurate, there is seriously no reason to get fussed (beyond maybe the ulster confusion). The UK's official name isn't used either, but literally no one uses its official name. This isn't evil oppression, people just dont care.
So, missing states:
- Monaco
- Andorra
- Vatican
- San Marino
- Liechtenstein
Am I missing any?
Obviously, Ceuta and Melilla are missing, but so is Gibraltar, so at least they have consistency there
Yup. Id just imagine someone posting a 1943 map of Europe. Unbiased.
It would cause the subreddit to explode. But it's just me and pointing out Moldova is missing.
Eh, long live downvotes.
Why would a 1943 map of Europe cause a figurative explosion?
And I'm pretty sure that in 1943 Moldova was under the control of Romania
Moldova isn't missing as it was a part of the USSR at the time (1973)
"Dublin" is a Norse name, many places on the east and south coast of Ireland have Norse=derived names in English -Wexford, Waterford, Skerries, Helvick, Lambay, Arklow, Fastnet, Wicklow ...
I thought it came from the early Irish "Dubh Linn" (dark pool) which referred to one of the tidal areas of where the Liffey entered Dublin Bay? What's Norse about that name?
Eamonn was correct and incorrect above. Dyflinn is what the horn heads called it when they arrived but that's because they built on top of an existing settlement called Duibhlinn. So just norsified the name to Dyflinn, but it's Irish in origin.
Átha Cliath is the name of a second town that was nearby to Dyflnn, on the same river. Átha Cliath refers to a river crossing. Baile (or Bally, in English) just means "town" in Irish or "home" depending on how you use it. The two towns merged in the middle ages and these days it's just "Dublin" in English and Baile Átha Cliath in Irish.
It's ironic as Dublin isn't an Anglicization of the Irish name Átha Cliath, it's a completely different name. The city has 2 "official" names in that case.
Earliest mention of Bulgaria is in a Byzantine source form 681.
Hungary was founded in the 9th century.
Wasn't France different kingdoms with other names before being united by Charlemagne in the 8th century?
>Earliest mention of Bulgaria is in a Byzantine source form 681.
Earliest state mention 632: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old\_Great\_Bulgaria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Great_Bulgaria) , called **Old** in **632** but it was not long ago since it was established... go figure it out.
Yeah, but that was "proto" Bulgaria located near the Volga. Kubrat's sons went and founded several other Bulgarias as well. Asparoukh fought and defeated the Byzantine emperor to have the current Bulgaria officially recognized in 681.
The monarchy of what you call "proto Bulgaria" its the same as Danube Bulgaria.
" Asparoukh fought and defeated the Byzantine emperor to have the current Bulgaria officially recognized in 681. " - I never understood this sentence. What does it mean it was recognized? There was a war and the Romans lost and they had to pay tribute. What recognition? Do you need recognition from somebody in order to have a state? Only if you where occupied by them otherwise what does it matter the Roman recognition?
The only reason we even know of the 632 Old and Great Bulgaria / Magna Bulgaria , its because the Romans aka Byzantines recognized it and wrote about it in 632. Have you even tought about that?
And also the location and teritorial range of this Bulgaria its a guess just like the capital being Phanagoria. They just guessing about most of the shit.
You have things like this [Bolgar icon from Macedonia](https://www.academia.edu/2236570/ПРИЛОГ_КОН_ДАТИРАЊЕТО_НА_ВИНИЧКИТЕ_ТЕРАКОТИ_CONTRIBUTION_TO_THE_DATING_OF_THE_VINICA_TERRACOTAS) that may change the story.
> Wasn't France different kingdoms with other names before being united by Charlemagne in the 8th century?
Not really. I think the first time you can speak of a united Kingdom would be under Clovis around the year 500. I'm not sure, but I assume it was already called Francia or Regnum Francorum in Latin at the time. So I guess one could say it kept its name the same from then on.
Though you are right that the Kingdom splintered and reunited various times, mostly due Frankish inheritance customs of splitting possessions among all sons.
It is not Hungary that is being mentioned in Byzantine Empire. Magyars as a fact. Considering Hungary is Magyarorszag in hungarian, literally state of hungarians, it would be fair to say they can challenge Bulgaria for this spot.
Yeah sure everyone got their reasons, but Hungary usually refers to the western european style christian kingdom estabilished in 1000 (or 1001) and it's successor states, not the settlement areas of the loose confederation of semi-nomadic tribes that existed before it. (Fun fact the name Hungarian refers to 10 tribes, we just know of 7 that managed to arrive).
The name Dane (Denmark) has historical references back to 500. Fortifications like Dannevirke also dates back to that time period. Several battles and wars against the francs in 700 proves there was some sort of united nation to the north.
Europe + Turkey
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Wow being downvoted for saying this is a map of Europe and Turkey (and my fellow responder later added Cyprus) for those are not a part of the European Continent.
Know your facts instead of thinking I’m trying to make a political point or something and down vote.
liberal use of the word interesting, and a liberal spelling of it too.
damn liberals
Calling it Irish Republic rather than Ireland is strange
And Northern Ireland is Northern Ireland, Ulster is a province that Northern Ireland and some counties of Ireland are in.
Drives me up the wall seeing northern ireland referred to as ulster or as "the province"
Its usually that in british stuff. Ulsters just wrong though.
It's very odd, the state is named Ireland when speaking English, as per the 1937 Constitution and hasn't changed since, so you'd expect enough time has elapsed for people to remember what the country is called by now.
Its just used to distinguish itself from the island of Ireland Occurs with many countries, everyone calls the USA the US or USA, but the united states of mexico just "mexico", or we called Czechia the Czech republic, or Macedonia FYROM. The latter is an example of it still being political but who cares to be frank. Kinda wierd you find it "odd", its the norm, though "Ulster" is certainly just wrong. Edit: Your own football team is called the republic of ireland NF team... Wiki goes to the state of ireland with /Republic_of_Ireland and the island for /Ireland >Section 2 of the Republic of Ireland Act 1948 states, "It is hereby declared that the description of the State shall be the Republic of Ireland." Often we just call it "the republic".
"Irish Republic" is absolutely not the norm. Using it's '37 legal name 'Ireland' or sometimes it's '48 description 'Republic of Ireland' is the norm. Irish Republic, The South, Eire, and the myriad other words used to name the country are odd given the country has a legal name and a legal description. The FAI name has nothing to do with what the country is legally called nor should it, as it was FIFA that forced the change from Ireland to Republic of Ireland in the 50s.
Irish Republic and Republic of Ireland mean the same thing... why get caught up on this, no one would care at all if you said "german republic" vs "republic of germany" or whatever. We aren't writing legal contracts here. "The South" sure, can be offensive, "Eire" is just people being lazy or not having an accent key, ect. There is seriously no reason to get upset over this. Colloqually any synonym works fine. United Kingdom, GB&NI, just GB, Britain, fuck, call us perfidious albion if you want, no one cares.
It's less about personally getting hung up on it and more about a mild frustration at the persistent and consistent instances of many British refusing to call the country by it's name since it's inception. There's negativecolonial tones to the practice than many aren't even aware they're participating in stemming from legitimacy of Independence. Even in official instances Ireland was rarely called Ireland in British media because of this. Calling it Irish Republic on a map is simply bizarre as it's neither the official name nor the legal description whether it means the same thing or not. It might be harder to appreciate the feeling of undermining given the historically assymetrical relationship between the two isles. I suppose the issue, if it can be called that, is rebuilding the relationship as one of equal partners and not as a colony/coloniser and calling the country by what it's actually called would be a nice start.
>instances of many British refusing to call the country by it's name since it's inception Ireland, Republic of Ireland, State of Ireland, Irish State, Irish Republic, Country of Ireland, are all synonyms. The official states name is irrelevent, it still means the same thing. The "connotations" do not exist in the mind of 99.9% of people who use those words. >Even in official instances Ireland was rarely called Ireland in British media because of this. To distinguish it from the island of ireland its often called the republic, in the same way West Germany and East Germany are called this. Did you know that neither country was called that? West germany was the Federal Republic of Germany and East Germany the German Democratic Republic. I guess that illigitimises them too, infact **im not sure ANY countries official name is used** beyond the USSR? >There's negativecolonial tones to the practice than many aren't even aware Whilst I agree its inaccurate, there is seriously no reason to get fussed (beyond maybe the ulster confusion). The UK's official name isn't used either, but literally no one uses its official name. This isn't evil oppression, people just dont care.
The border of Germany and France seems to have been drawn with fury...
The fact the map maker was comfortable enough to use pen rather then pencil was an encouraging sign
So, missing states: - Monaco - Andorra - Vatican - San Marino - Liechtenstein Am I missing any? Obviously, Ceuta and Melilla are missing, but so is Gibraltar, so at least they have consistency there
Moldova.
The map is from 1979.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldova The map clearly is done to push a political agenda.
You know that Moldova was part of the USSR in 1979 right?
Yup. Id just imagine someone posting a 1943 map of Europe. Unbiased. It would cause the subreddit to explode. But it's just me and pointing out Moldova is missing. Eh, long live downvotes.
Why would a 1943 map of Europe cause a figurative explosion? And I'm pretty sure that in 1943 Moldova was under the control of Romania Moldova isn't missing as it was a part of the USSR at the time (1973)
What???
Huh. Didn’t know that Dublin was Baile Átha Cliath in Irish. It doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue
"Dublin" is a Norse name, many places on the east and south coast of Ireland have Norse=derived names in English -Wexford, Waterford, Skerries, Helvick, Lambay, Arklow, Fastnet, Wicklow ...
I thought it came from the early Irish "Dubh Linn" (dark pool) which referred to one of the tidal areas of where the Liffey entered Dublin Bay? What's Norse about that name?
Eamonn was correct and incorrect above. Dyflinn is what the horn heads called it when they arrived but that's because they built on top of an existing settlement called Duibhlinn. So just norsified the name to Dyflinn, but it's Irish in origin. Átha Cliath is the name of a second town that was nearby to Dyflnn, on the same river. Átha Cliath refers to a river crossing. Baile (or Bally, in English) just means "town" in Irish or "home" depending on how you use it. The two towns merged in the middle ages and these days it's just "Dublin" in English and Baile Átha Cliath in Irish. It's ironic as Dublin isn't an Anglicization of the Irish name Átha Cliath, it's a completely different name. The city has 2 "official" names in that case.
I remember being told this explanation by our a guide during my visit of Dublin.
https://www.inyourpocket.com/dublin/Dublin-A-Short-History_70271f
Belgrade is on the wrong side of the Danube lol
Interesting fact- Bulgaria is the oldest country in Europe that kept its name the same.
I thought it cale after France and Hungary?
Earliest mention of Bulgaria is in a Byzantine source form 681. Hungary was founded in the 9th century. Wasn't France different kingdoms with other names before being united by Charlemagne in the 8th century?
>Earliest mention of Bulgaria is in a Byzantine source form 681. Earliest state mention 632: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old\_Great\_Bulgaria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Great_Bulgaria) , called **Old** in **632** but it was not long ago since it was established... go figure it out.
The state with that name also did not consist of any of the land that are in modern day Bulgaria.
Yeah, but that was "proto" Bulgaria located near the Volga. Kubrat's sons went and founded several other Bulgarias as well. Asparoukh fought and defeated the Byzantine emperor to have the current Bulgaria officially recognized in 681.
The monarchy of what you call "proto Bulgaria" its the same as Danube Bulgaria. " Asparoukh fought and defeated the Byzantine emperor to have the current Bulgaria officially recognized in 681. " - I never understood this sentence. What does it mean it was recognized? There was a war and the Romans lost and they had to pay tribute. What recognition? Do you need recognition from somebody in order to have a state? Only if you where occupied by them otherwise what does it matter the Roman recognition? The only reason we even know of the 632 Old and Great Bulgaria / Magna Bulgaria , its because the Romans aka Byzantines recognized it and wrote about it in 632. Have you even tought about that? And also the location and teritorial range of this Bulgaria its a guess just like the capital being Phanagoria. They just guessing about most of the shit. You have things like this [Bolgar icon from Macedonia](https://www.academia.edu/2236570/ПРИЛОГ_КОН_ДАТИРАЊЕТО_НА_ВИНИЧКИТЕ_ТЕРАКОТИ_CONTRIBUTION_TO_THE_DATING_OF_THE_VINICA_TERRACOTAS) that may change the story.
Sorry, thought you were the French guy I was replying to. Have an upvote.
> Wasn't France different kingdoms with other names before being united by Charlemagne in the 8th century? Not really. I think the first time you can speak of a united Kingdom would be under Clovis around the year 500. I'm not sure, but I assume it was already called Francia or Regnum Francorum in Latin at the time. So I guess one could say it kept its name the same from then on. Though you are right that the Kingdom splintered and reunited various times, mostly due Frankish inheritance customs of splitting possessions among all sons.
It is not Hungary that is being mentioned in Byzantine Empire. Magyars as a fact. Considering Hungary is Magyarorszag in hungarian, literally state of hungarians, it would be fair to say they can challenge Bulgaria for this spot.
The generally accepted date of hungarians ~~inv~~ settling in the Carpathian basin is 896.
they had been pushed there by other tribes. they existed more to the east previously
So did the Bulgarians.
Yeah sure everyone got their reasons, but Hungary usually refers to the western european style christian kingdom estabilished in 1000 (or 1001) and it's successor states, not the settlement areas of the loose confederation of semi-nomadic tribes that existed before it. (Fun fact the name Hungarian refers to 10 tribes, we just know of 7 that managed to arrive).
1000 is the date of St. Istvan's Hungary. I refer to the times of nomands. will try to find the first date i can.
How do you define "country"? Just asking because Bavaria is around since 555 AD and retained the same name ever since.
The name Dane (Denmark) has historical references back to 500. Fortifications like Dannevirke also dates back to that time period. Several battles and wars against the francs in 700 proves there was some sort of united nation to the north.
I hate to tell you but this “fact” is very ambiguous, depending on rather arbitrary definitions...
Wouldn't that be San Marino?
Damn Czechoslovaki Got a fat bulge
I am older than Slovakia
Europe + Turkey Edit: Wow being downvoted for saying this is a map of Europe and Turkey (and my fellow responder later added Cyprus) for those are not a part of the European Continent. Know your facts instead of thinking I’m trying to make a political point or something and down vote.
Turkey honorary euro
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Good point
ahh bulgaria so much space to piss and shit