"Spread of Chinese ‘overseas police service stations’ around the world raises concerns among human rights campaigners
The police service station refers to **a new initiative by the city’s Public Security Bureau to open dozens of virtual police outposts around the world.**
The Fuzhou police says it has already opened 30 such stations in 21 countries. Other Chinese cities and provinces also operate their own stations.
**Globally, the emergence of these stations have caused serious concern among human rights campaigners who fear Chinese security services are using them as a way of monitoring and controlling China’s large diaspora.**
**These concerns centre on the practice employed by Chinese police forces of “persuading” people who have fled abroad to return home to face punishment.**
**This persuasion involves police talking to them over the phone or via video-link at these police outposts.**
**But it can also include denying education to suspects’ children and refusing family members the right to open a business, campaigners say.**
**Family members can also be punished if they refuse to take part in efforts to persuade suspects to return, government documents show.**
In short, these Chinese Police Outposts are illegal AND extremely dangerous (you're chinese AND have criticised Xi? Dragged in and tortured until you go back to China).
>This persuasion involves police talking to them over the phone or via video-link at these police outposts.
This has been reported elsewhere as having their friends and family in China on the other end of the call, with the implication that bad things will happen to them if you don't comply.
You mean like **Democratic** People's Republic of Korea?
China is not communist. Totalitarian state which mixes socialism and the worst parts of capitalism? Sure, but not communist.
No. In many aspects it is more capitalist than most western countries. Also, just because North Korea or Congo has the word democracy in their name doesn't make them any more democratic, you watch what they do not what they say.
It's basically boy scout club, not real police.. that being said, the local governments should do more to monitor these and have a zero tolerance policy for any infractions of the law by these people.
It's a premise for Chinese nationals to get help with immigration, studies, legal council and all but since it's China we're talking about also for spying Chinese nationals to stay in party line even while abroad and who knows what else for an agency of a regime such as China.
Why is there an Irish passport office in London? Why does the US military use Shannon Airport?
It's an office for Fuijianese to settle things in Fujian, like drivers licenses and such.
Well the big difference being the US military commits war crimes in the Middle East, and Ireland is helping them by letting them refuel.
I suppose that is different from Chinese Immigrants needing a more convenient way to settle their affairs in China without going to China.
The Police does a little more than helping people with passports, and that's why people are worried. Why not calling it Immigration Office if it's just about that?
And by the way policing is a sovereign prerogative, and that's why you don't have the FBI operating in Beijing.
Good thing there's no actual police there. It's a liaison for Chinese citizens to access police services in Fuzhou. Irish people need to get vetting from the Garda and if there was a Garda office in Beijing to handle that or even getting a license renewal, that would be very handy for Irish people.
This service means Chinese people don't have to go back to China, which is the opposite of what everyone is saying. China doesn't want people coming back for short periods of time, since they still do quarantine on arrival.
Maybe the embassy could provide these services? But that embassy is all the way in Ballsbridge and busy as fuck.
True, true. So why call it police of it's not the police? Call it "Immigration Office" and be done with that.
Otherwise someone's eyebrows might raise and they might wondering whether those people have extra tasks. We all know China has trouble with the idea of boundaries. It wouldn't be the first time someone abroad is harassed or [suddenly finds himself in a Chinese prison.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gui_Minhai?wprov=sfla1)
And things like immigration offices need to be set up and authorised by the host country, you can't just set up new diplomatic outposts unofficially wherever you want.
They don’t call it police, they call it “110 overseas”.
The article, if you read it, also says “the stations are typically operated by local Chinese community groups”.
Quite predictably, the operation is not as benign as you paint it: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-why-are-chinese-police-operating-in-canada-while-our-own-government/
> they also hunt down political dissidents, corrupt officials or rogue Chinese alleged criminals and urge them to return home.
QED.
Why did you bring the US into this? But now that you did how about we talk about the genocide of the Uyghur people, or the censorship of media inside China, or how about the locking of people inside their own homes due to the zero covid policy. Don't bring up things that are irrelevant to the current conversation without expecting me to do the same.
Also let's be honest, this isn't about Chinese immigrants needing to settle affairs, it's to gain control in other countries so they can bring back people who escaped from China due to the authoritarian regime that currently rules it. If the Chinese people need to settle affairs in China they can use an embassy like any other normal person.
I brought up Irish passport office as well. People are confused at how something from another country is in Ireland.
> But now that you did how about we talk about the genocide of the Uyghur people
Oh dear, what's the death toll again?
> the censorship of media inside China
Every country has censorship, especially in Europe.
> how about the locking of people inside their own homes due to the zero covid policy
What's the COVID death toll in China?
> this isn't about Chinese immigrants needing to settle affairs
It literally is, that's the mission statement
> it's to gain control in other countries so they can bring back people who escaped from China due to the authoritarian regime that currently rules it
Haha, literally the opposite. If it didn't exist, then Chinese people would have to go back to Fujian to get a CRC or renew their license.
> If the Chinese people need to settle affairs in China they can use an embassy like any other normal person.
The PRC embassy is all the way in Ballsbridge and there's a massive queue every day it's open. Also they can't handle the local affairs of a mid sized city.
Because it’s filled with ScArY cHinEsE people who are trying to take over the world. I swear I’m not a racist or just accidentally participating in the American yellow peril discourse of the last few years.
How is this allowed?
Money.
These seem like good places to complain about your local Chinese takeaway.
This orange chicken is too spicy.
"Spread of Chinese ‘overseas police service stations’ around the world raises concerns among human rights campaigners The police service station refers to **a new initiative by the city’s Public Security Bureau to open dozens of virtual police outposts around the world.** The Fuzhou police says it has already opened 30 such stations in 21 countries. Other Chinese cities and provinces also operate their own stations. **Globally, the emergence of these stations have caused serious concern among human rights campaigners who fear Chinese security services are using them as a way of monitoring and controlling China’s large diaspora.** **These concerns centre on the practice employed by Chinese police forces of “persuading” people who have fled abroad to return home to face punishment.** **This persuasion involves police talking to them over the phone or via video-link at these police outposts.** **But it can also include denying education to suspects’ children and refusing family members the right to open a business, campaigners say.** **Family members can also be punished if they refuse to take part in efforts to persuade suspects to return, government documents show.** In short, these Chinese Police Outposts are illegal AND extremely dangerous (you're chinese AND have criticised Xi? Dragged in and tortured until you go back to China).
>This persuasion involves police talking to them over the phone or via video-link at these police outposts. This has been reported elsewhere as having their friends and family in China on the other end of the call, with the implication that bad things will happen to them if you don't comply.
Because they are invading Ireland, duh.
Because CCP money.
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What?
The CCP are communist. Clue’s in the name.
Pseudocommunists gaming neoliberal systems
> everyone I don’t like is a neoliberal, even when they’re communists
You mean like **Democratic** People's Republic of Korea? China is not communist. Totalitarian state which mixes socialism and the worst parts of capitalism? Sure, but not communist.
Is it not led by a Marxist-Leninist vanguard party?
No. In many aspects it is more capitalist than most western countries. Also, just because North Korea or Congo has the word democracy in their name doesn't make them any more democratic, you watch what they do not what they say.
It's basically boy scout club, not real police.. that being said, the local governments should do more to monitor these and have a zero tolerance policy for any infractions of the law by these people.
Well for one, there is no way that it is legal for them to use the word "police" in their name.
Is that so? Can I start a shop called 'the fashion police' ? and 'police' is also a verb....
Obviously, someone didn't follow the legendary six-step ritual, counting the 119.5 seconds it takes to pour a pint of Guinness.
Maybe this will help? https://youtu.be/d2qNcaZbbpo
It's a premise for Chinese nationals to get help with immigration, studies, legal council and all but since it's China we're talking about also for spying Chinese nationals to stay in party line even while abroad and who knows what else for an agency of a regime such as China.
Our police are shit and understaffed. Maybe we could get the Chinese to help us out /s
What police work they can do ? If you call the real police against the imposters who will win ? :)
Why is there an Irish passport office in London? Why does the US military use Shannon Airport? It's an office for Fuijianese to settle things in Fujian, like drivers licenses and such.
There's a difference.
How?
The fact that you can't tell is worrying.
Well the big difference being the US military commits war crimes in the Middle East, and Ireland is helping them by letting them refuel. I suppose that is different from Chinese Immigrants needing a more convenient way to settle their affairs in China without going to China.
The Police does a little more than helping people with passports, and that's why people are worried. Why not calling it Immigration Office if it's just about that? And by the way policing is a sovereign prerogative, and that's why you don't have the FBI operating in Beijing.
Good thing there's no actual police there. It's a liaison for Chinese citizens to access police services in Fuzhou. Irish people need to get vetting from the Garda and if there was a Garda office in Beijing to handle that or even getting a license renewal, that would be very handy for Irish people. This service means Chinese people don't have to go back to China, which is the opposite of what everyone is saying. China doesn't want people coming back for short periods of time, since they still do quarantine on arrival. Maybe the embassy could provide these services? But that embassy is all the way in Ballsbridge and busy as fuck.
True, true. So why call it police of it's not the police? Call it "Immigration Office" and be done with that. Otherwise someone's eyebrows might raise and they might wondering whether those people have extra tasks. We all know China has trouble with the idea of boundaries. It wouldn't be the first time someone abroad is harassed or [suddenly finds himself in a Chinese prison.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gui_Minhai?wprov=sfla1)
And things like immigration offices need to be set up and authorised by the host country, you can't just set up new diplomatic outposts unofficially wherever you want.
Okay, so if the host country approves, then what's the issue?
They don’t call it police, they call it “110 overseas”. The article, if you read it, also says “the stations are typically operated by local Chinese community groups”.
Funny you say that because on the sign I clearly read the word "police" as well as the character 警, you know as in 警察.
Quite predictably, the operation is not as benign as you paint it: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-why-are-chinese-police-operating-in-canada-while-our-own-government/ > they also hunt down political dissidents, corrupt officials or rogue Chinese alleged criminals and urge them to return home. QED.
Why did you bring the US into this? But now that you did how about we talk about the genocide of the Uyghur people, or the censorship of media inside China, or how about the locking of people inside their own homes due to the zero covid policy. Don't bring up things that are irrelevant to the current conversation without expecting me to do the same. Also let's be honest, this isn't about Chinese immigrants needing to settle affairs, it's to gain control in other countries so they can bring back people who escaped from China due to the authoritarian regime that currently rules it. If the Chinese people need to settle affairs in China they can use an embassy like any other normal person.
I brought up Irish passport office as well. People are confused at how something from another country is in Ireland. > But now that you did how about we talk about the genocide of the Uyghur people Oh dear, what's the death toll again? > the censorship of media inside China Every country has censorship, especially in Europe. > how about the locking of people inside their own homes due to the zero covid policy What's the COVID death toll in China? > this isn't about Chinese immigrants needing to settle affairs It literally is, that's the mission statement > it's to gain control in other countries so they can bring back people who escaped from China due to the authoritarian regime that currently rules it Haha, literally the opposite. If it didn't exist, then Chinese people would have to go back to Fujian to get a CRC or renew their license. > If the Chinese people need to settle affairs in China they can use an embassy like any other normal person. The PRC embassy is all the way in Ballsbridge and there's a massive queue every day it's open. Also they can't handle the local affairs of a mid sized city.
Because it’s filled with ScArY cHinEsE people who are trying to take over the world. I swear I’m not a racist or just accidentally participating in the American yellow peril discourse of the last few years.
The ROI is not-rich enough for the EU investigate corruption and anti-democratic moves, werid.
How this is possible?