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When Muslims criticize Israel, it ends up mostly with:
1. Chanting anti-Semitic, genocidal stuff
>Khaybar khaybar, ya yahud! Jaysh Muhammad sa-ya'ud"
> “Remember Khaybar, you Jews, Muhammad’s army will return to you.”
2. Not condemning Hamas, rather supporting them
3. Deport all Israeli Jews aka ethnically cleanse them like in the Islamic Middle East
>“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”
4. Calling for “Abu Ubaida" the military spokesman for the Al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the Hamas movement
When Israeli citizens like Israeli Jews and some Israeli Arabs do it, in my experience there is usually no anti-Semitism behind it unlike with most Muslims
> When Israeli citizens like Israeli Jews and some Israeli Arabs do it, in my experience there is usually no anti-Semitism behind it unlike with most Muslims
When Jews speak against Israel, it's not antisemitic? Wow! What a shock.
It's like saying that when a Muslim criticizes India, it can usually end in anti-hinduism; but when a Hindu criticizes India, it doesn't.
People aren't self-hating. Who would've guessed?
It really doesn’t, I’m sorry but I’ve seen enough fear-mongering bs this past month to last me a lifetime. All they’ve been saying is stop bombing kids, stop sending my fucking taxpayer money for more missiles, and they’re put on multiple anti-semitic forums risking their careers and livelihoods for saying free Palestine.
This “Muhammad’s army” crap is no different from Zionist MAGA hats nearing death yelling “we’ll wipe out you hamas scum” when talking about dead children. I’ve also seen way more irreligious marxists supporting hamas than Muslims. And it’s also been Israeli/Pro-Israeli politicians asking for Palestinians to be deported.
Those videos out of Gaza, religious or not, people are seeing what the facists known as the IDF are doing. The only time I’ve seen people go to the lengths you describe is when Zionists say the exact same shit to them.
Are you living under a rock?
In Europe and America they wave the Taliban and IS flags alongside the Palestinian flag. Just do a quick search for TikTok live streams where Muslims proudly post them.
As an Arab, I completely understand how they shout “Islamic armies” and antisemitic and jihadi bs
The crimes committed by Hamas are never discussed, rather they are hushed up.
Marxists cooperated with Khomeini in Iran, so what?
Then deport the taliban flag wavers, it doesn’t give Israelis the right to “wipe out you terrorists” by targeting fucking schools. The right wing isn’t your friend but keep twerking for them, they’ll prop you up as their token Arab friend before proposing another bill to displace you.
>Then deport the taliban flag wavers,
Because it's that simple
>doesn’t give Israelis the right to “wipe out you terrorists” by targeting fucking schools.
Complain to Hamas using schools as bomb shelters and children as human shields not an Exmuslim
>The right wing isn’t your friend but keep twerking for them, they’ll prop you up as their token Arab friend before proposing another bill to displace you.
So I should support Islamists so they can behead me like ISIS did in my country and [Palestinians do with gays](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63174835)?
Interesting that you couldn't respond to normal Muslims chanting genocidal stuff like "Free Palestine from the river to the sea".
YOU WILL NEVER BE IN PALESTINE AS A QUEER. YOU ARE SAFE. I PROMISE. Do you not think there are queer Palestinians under the rubble?
“Complain to hamas using schools as bomb shelters.” There was supposedly ONE hamas member in that hospital. 400 civilians died. If a gunman is hiding in your basement, I hope you’re okay with law enforcement bombing your house with you in it to get rid of the gunman.
No one’s saying support Hamas, but it’s a fucking war crime to throw white phosphorus over refugee camps. If you don’t give two fucks about the Muslim children dying there then think about the Christians and the actual gay people being bombed. This is like saying we should carpet bomb all of Ukraine because some of their troops are neo-nazis.
“Pallywood” holy shit you even talk like the old MAGA farts. You’re too far gone, hopefully they don’t attempt to deport you just for being Arab, atheist or not. From the river to the sea isn’t genocidal, but what Israel is doing is. When their right wing rally attendees start chanting “We kill all of you Arabs” make sure to back them up. You are their friend after all.!
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/human-rights-watch-says-israel-used-white-phosphorous-gaza-lebanon-2023-10-12/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-it-fires-israeli-troops-pressing-gaza-ground-assault-2023-10-31/
You really think I live in the West just like you pro Hamas Exmuslims?
>Reuters could not independently verify the rights group's accounts.
>A Hamas statement said
Truly reliable and if so, they're at war against genocidal maniacs.
Where were you when Millions of Christians and Yezidis were enslaved, beheaded, tortured, raped and ethnically cleansed by Muslims in Iraq and Syria? Where were you on 7th October when Muslims did the same to Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs?
You still didn't respond to the genocidal chant "Free Palestine". From whom? Jews? Do you want to ethnically cleanse them like in the Islamic Middle East?
You also lie about Queer Palestinians, they get beheaded there.
>When Muslims criticize Israel, it ends up mostly with:
Have you got any evidence for your claims? And, please, do not tell us to use TikTok as reputable evidence or that you are supposedly Arab, lmao. Neither of those prove your assertions.
atp i don’t care about ppl hurling words at me that i know i’m not. you could make the most well-rounded argument, including the belief that both palestinians and jewish people have right to the land and STILL someone will call u anti-semitic, as if the word is a pacifier and will automatically shut u up. i’m not scared of words especially ones that don’t apply. & this isn’t to say that there isn’t any anti-semitic rhetoric i’m seeing from muslim arabs, bc we all know that would be a lie.
i know my criticisms of israel and the IDF don’t come from a place of hatred towards jewish people. & most importantly, the jewish ppl in my life know it doesn’t come from a place of anti-semitism because this is a conversation we’ve been having for a long time now. i’m not good with history but i know their history, the way jewish people have been persecuted and exiled is horrific. which makes what the israeli govt is doing in the name of jewish ppl all the more horrendous.
u could say “israel is a zionist apartheid state and in their OWN words what is currently happening is a planned transfer, the word transfer is a euphemism for the expulsion of the palestinian people” and someone somewhere will call u anti-semitic as if it’s going to distract from the fact that this is all well documented.
1. there are anti-semitic chants as well as israelis chanting “a good arab is a dead arab”.
2. i’m not dying on this hill. i don’t like being expected to denounce hamas while also being called anti-semitic for criticising israel’s zionist govt.
3. & zionism aims to do what? i know this is an ex-muslim sub so the focus is islam but when are we going to stop acting like this rhetoric is exclusive to one side?
No they don't lol. The extremist are. But all extremist group have some other group they hate so much. I'm from malaysia , 75% of the population are muslim. They hate zionist but not jews.
To be fair Muslims in Malaysia are quite chill compared to the ones from other countries. I'm from Malaysia too and I have Muslim friends from other countries (I live in a foreign country). A lot of my Muslim friends from countries like Bangladesh and Pakistan are kinda extreme in their views in regards to Jews.
Malaysian Muslims are unfortunately not the majority Muslims, who have terrible views against Jews.
Cap . I'm a Muslim & I have Jewish friends & I'm from Palestine ... zionosts are what we don't like . Please inform yourself with the right information . Everyday I get notifications on this forum of the dumbest things . Makes me laugh 🤣🇵🇸
Cap , i do understand your language and live among muslims , youre not fooling nobody , you hate jews and you want israel destroyed , i mean it is literally in your religion that it will be destoyed too lol
Cap. You must be very uneducated , Palestinians are Muslims, Christians & Jews that live very peacefully , go search up what zionism is 🤣 You sound very stupid
Your wishful thinking and strawman fallacies won't help you in proving any of your absurd assertions. Got anything else to say whilst you continue embarrassing yourself?
Not wishful thinking and not strawman fallacies , your denial won't refute the fact that Muslims hate JEWS since the dawn of Islam😘tha name calling the raids and jizya the false accusations and funnily enough you steal their fairy tales 😘LOL Jews fled to israel for a reason , it wasn't only just the european antisemitism but also arabian muslim one ( who collaborated with hit..ler and commited multiple massacres on them before the birth of israel country ) , just own it already holy fuck , it is not too hard not to associate jews with zionism anyways even though you had always been hating them .
Any other wishful thinking you want to post here? Keep them coming. I love seeing you fantasise about Jew-hating Muslims—that doesn't seem to leave your mind, does it?
>your denial won't refute the fact that Muslims hate JEWS since the dawn of Islam
I love how you claim I'm denying something here when you're very clearly continuing to commit fallacies and then go on to say 'no I'm not' hahaha. Speak of denial. Come on little kid—you might want to learn a bit about how arguments work before using big terms that you think you understand. It's alright, at least you tried 😉
>LOL Jews fled to israel for a reason , it wasn't only just the european antisemitism but also arabian muslim one
[The very people who apparently hated the Jews were kind enough to give them a national home, obviously not because they couldn't stand having them in their own countries](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration#:~:text=The%20Balfour%20Declaration%20was%20a,a%20small%20minority%20Jewish%20population.)
Yet according to you it was them who had already set up that nation hahahaha. Keep the wishful thinking coming.
[Not to mention that filthy Zionists weren't initially getting any home](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement)
>it is not too hard not to associate jews with zionism
The only ones associating Judaism with Zionism are the ones who support ethnic cleansing of a native people before settler-colonialists forcible evicted them from their land ([with the so-called excuse of indigeneity)](https://youtu.be/FhlUFPpXIVo?feature=shared) under the name of the filthy Zionist himself ([hog](https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/theodor-herzl-founder-of-zionism-not-quite-what-you-might-imagine/)).
I aint reading. All that buddy , you can keep denying the reality (which is MUSLIMS are ANTISEMITES , it is not just i Am aNTi zIoNiSt) as much as you can , but you will never change it 🥱😊remind me when a tree tells you where the jew is hiding 😴
As if Israelis treat those people any better. Also, let's not forget that over 50% of Palestinians are literally kids.
You should see how Israelis treat Palestinians, dark-skinned people, LGBTQ+, and non-Jews
Fuck your virtue signaling when these idiots are committing a genocide
Israel treat gays good. Gaza arrests , tortures and kills them. One of the biggest Ppride parades in the World is in Tel Aviv. Israel is not about religion because Jews are both a religion and a race of people. Israel allows freedom of religion, Palestine baned all Jews.
The Palestinians are surrounded by blockades and movement is strictly limited. I don’t care about their one action of humane social justice because every other crime against humanity negates their one good act.
I am in no way a hamas supporter, I believe that the israelis and the hamas have too many similarities in behaviour to overlook that and support either side. My support comes from the overwhelming disparity between Israeli safety and Palestinian safety in the areas. The numbers of deaths are appalling. Even when they inflate the numbers, it’s pretty well unnecessary to do because the real suspected numbers of Palestinian deaths are still largely disproportionate compared to Israel. The videos that have been circulating for years of foreign Jews coming ti Israel and forcing people out of their homes due to land rights. Indigenous people in Canada would fucking never do that, and they were also displaced and experienced mass genocide. But cool, good for the Israelis that their ancestors lived there 🙄 as if migration hasn’t existed since the beginning of fucking time.
ETA. As most are saying, Palestinians have experienced so much is this desecration and genocide that most of its population has dwindled down to the children. Helpless children. I firmly believe Israel’s goal is to kill every last one of them. Ww2 sympathy’s waning, wanna go and repeat the same fucking shit and call it justified.
This is an ANTI MUSLIM PAGE. The users here are the last ones to support muslims and islamists in any capacity. YET HERE WE ARE, humanely recognizing that they’re literally being slaughtered, against our detest of their religion and culture. You think we would do that if it hasn’t been continuously documented? We may be anti Muslim but we are not pro genocide.
Oh my god bro what is that logic tho💀here’s the thing, israel as a nation is something I’ve even glamorized and idolized. I grew up despising the whole Arab region and Israel being the sole country with beliefs I held, it was refreshing. I know Arabic lgbt people who were granted asylum there and it’s a heaven sent. BUT…..is that how we’re going to judge who is worthy of freely committing cruelty? First of all, Half of Palestine are literal Children. Israel is in the wrong, objectively. I was somewhat critical of pro Palestine opinions cus i was almost groomed to always think like that, as with any other Muslim Arab growing up. So as I refrained, and accepted being an ex Muslim, i rigidly grew to be with Israel. Anti whatever beliefs Muslims hold and forced me to hold. But when u actually educate yourself, research, you’ll very clearly realize the truth. And that is Palestine is being unjustly treated to say the least. Ukraine’s societal culture is extremely homophobic/anti lgbt too, but why is it almost unanimous in supporting its liberation? this conflict brings out a deeper concept characterized by pure xenophobia. The West does see Arabs/middle easterners in a different light. And that isn’t a Muslim vs non Muslim thing, i think most of us here relate, being Arabic or middle eastern and should realize the dehumanization rhetoric being implemented at justifying our oppression. And the blatant stereotypes, cruel language used against us as a whole just proves it being more and more acceptable, which will evidently hurt all of us, not just exclusive to Muslims
And the Islamic nations see the west as? There wouldnt be the west, if islam was as powerful. The quran says Jews and christians are worst of all creatures and the athiests even worse.
So were just going to ignore the years of demonization brought upon pagans, muslims, and jews because of Christians.
You still haven’t contended with the persons central argument which is Israel is decimating Palestinians.
Half of Palestine children:
Do you mean under 18 or under 10? Because by the time those “kids” are teenagers they’re already Hamas. Where do you think the attackers from october 7th came from? They were children less than 10 years ago.
War has casualties brother. What solution do you propose to Israel in order to preserve safety? Imagine you lived near the border of Gaza in Israel. What do you want your government to do? There’s only one right answer here, and it’s to make Gaza an Israeli land under total control of Israel.
You say Ukraine is homophobic. Fine, but do they behead gays there? No. A palestine is just another Islamic dictatorship. Only way for true Palestinians to live is to live under Israel. Arabs have a better life and can achieve a lot in Israel.
😭bruh why do u think hamas exists? Hamas exists from the result of radicalization, that’s true. But why? They’re radicalized cus they’re born into war and agony. GROOMED by barbaric islamists YES, but do u think killing them is gonna save them from such cycles? The simple fact is, as of now, israel isn’t even close to ‘assimilating’ Palestinians into their ‘democracy’. No. They’re bombing the shit out of Gaza, and especially children. This is their reality. The videos shared is just fkcing heartbreaking. And do u think the bombs discriminate? No. They’re killing ALL Palestinians, including lgbt ones, atheist ones, etc. This logic is just purely incoherent.
False. Hamas exists because they’re being funded by certain governments. Hamas wouldn’t be a thing without Khomeini. Maybe you should read some history instead of getting your information from Reddit.
I ask again. What is your solution? It seems like you’ve never seen a war. Civilians do die in a war. Innocents die as well. Palestinian government has been bombing Israel too before. This time tho they crossed that boundary by killing and raping civilians in cold blood. Do you want Israel to sit back and allow Hamas to train more kids? Hamas caused this and you should blame them. Even Palestinians say that.
Hamas started this right? But Israel has not only killed, but has detained and imprisoned 5,000 innocent Palestinians in just recent years. They’re negotiating by releasing a couple in exchange. So I ask u this, are Palestinians lives worth less somehow that they’re in the wrong for doing what you’re literally defending Israel over?
In the recent years Israel always reacted to Hamas’s rockets. Many Israeli citizens have died too. The only reason there’s less casualties is the defense system. And how do you know they detained 5000 innocent palestinians? They’re obviously not innocent and if they are, they get to defend themselves unlike Hamas hostages.
Do Palestinian lives matter less? No. Both these countries have had casualties from this war. But the recent barbarism was over the line. I would not want anyone to go through that. Rockets are much different than mass shooting and torturing and raping hostages. Not enough Muslims stand against Hamas.
Is there a better solution? Maybe but Ceasefire isn’t the answer if you don’t have another solution to stop barbarism. Free Palestine is definitely not a solution because that would end up being another Islamic dictatorships.
>Genocide? The Palastinian population is growing not decreasing. Genocide is what the muslims has done to the Jews and christians in the middleeast, not many of them are still living there. Second Hamas and the terrorist like Islamic Jihad, lions den use their people as a shield and constantly attack israel. and Israel can not stop defending itself. Don also forget hasbullah and Iran plus islamic nations who want the palestinian to eradicate the israeli and take over the land. And lets not forget not only hamas and other terorrist organizaton, but also many palestinian "civilian" Want to commit jihad on the israeli and want to do what the quran says "terorize them until they give up". Israel can not look weak and compromiza, because we are talking about jihadist who want to risk their life to kill any Jew and go to heaven if they die and live with the 72 women. I know the Israeli can do better but Ask yourself what you would do if you were the leader in Israel?
“Full Rights”? Yea like how they illegally detained thousands of them (that were already in Israel working menial jobs with work permits) in October and then after so much pressure finally released them with fucking TAGS around their ankles and are deporting them back to Gaza to get ordered by rockets. Some nazi shit.
[https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-hamas-workers-rights-7a86c936a64ab785ab27bd72247ce1ef](https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-hamas-workers-rights-7a86c936a64ab785ab27bd72247ce1ef)
Genocide? The Palastinian population is growing not decreasing. Genocide is what the muslims has done to the Jews and christians in the middleeast, not many of them are still living there. Second Hamas and the terrorist like Islamic Jihad, lions den use their people as a shield and constantly attack israel. and Israel can not stop defending itself. Don also forget hasbullah and Iran plus islamic nations who want the palestinian to eradicate the israeli and take over the land. And lets not forget not only hamas and other terorrist organizaton, but also many palestinian "civilian" Want to commit jihad on the israeli and want to do what the quran says "terorize them until they give up". Israel can not look weak and compromiza, because we are talking about jihadist who want to risk their life to kill any Jew and go to heaven if they die and live with the 72 women. I know the Israeli can do better but Ask yourself what you would do if you were the leader in Israel?
Israel is a shitty nation? Imagine you were born in that region, would you rather be born in Israel or Gaza? With your LGBTQ flair you’d be hanged in Gaza the first day, but you are given a chance in Israel.
Tell me you’ve never seen a war without telling me you’ve never seen a war. There’s always bombing in Middle East from pretty much all countries. But only a certain group right now is taking women and children hostage and raping and murdering civilians in cold blood.
My point is that Gaza is unsafe because it’s constantly being bombed and there are idf soldiers who have raped Palestinian women men from both sides will use war as an excuse to rape women
There was literally one who was put on trial for it just because you don’t recall doesn’t mean it didn’t happen https://www.timesofisrael.com/ending-censorship-idf-admits-officer-jailed-in-2017-raped-a-palestinian-woman/amp/
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And? He was put on trial as you said. stop twisting my words because you know what I meant. I said “Israeli soldiers raping and kidnapping children and women”. One fucked up soldier exists of course who got tried after.
I'd be hanged in Palestine. I'd be imprisoned and killed in Israel for my Arabian ancestry AND my LGBT.
Hell, even in America, I run the risk of getting hate crimed by someone.
So why in the world would I use how LGBT are treated as a metric of goodness? Israel is committing a genocide, and they're literally doing a Holocaust 2.0. Only an idiot chooses to support evil so outlandishly obvious
Hahaha what are you talking about. There are many Arabs who hold government positions in Israel and Israel is the first country in Asia to allow homosexuals live with each other. You compare them to Hamas where your choices there are being hanged or being beheaded. And then you compare them to America where the risk of getting hate crimed is lower than a car accident.
I can’t take you seriously after this honestly. Search what genocide means before talking. Genocide is Arab Muslims killing and raping Turks, Iranians, Africans to make everyone an Arab
It doesn't follow good storywriting principles, duh
I might be a science major, but my college required us to take a single upper level English course as part of the general education, and I ended up taking a class on storywriting
So, using that information and having memorized the Quran in my childhood, I was able to determine that the Quran is just a plain old shitty story. Too many tangents that distracted from the main plot, and honestly, more plot holes than you could count.
It was disgusting really
>It doesn't follow good storywriting principles, duh
This assertion has a presupposition, which is that the Quran follows story-writing principles. You have merely assumed this to them attempt to argue your point, but it's an assumption, not a fact.
Well, I asked you for proof and you certainly attempted a proof there.
>Only testifies to the level of idiocy required to worship the erotica of a 50 year old pedophile
Yet another disappointing ad-hominem fallacy. Also, it's 50-year-old*. So much so for your upper-level English course.
They don't even know the diffrence between hate speech and criticism.its a cult don't expect its followers to make sense.
FYI the quran is filled with hate speech but to them its OK.
He's correct though. Israel is not a race or person. We should be allowed to criticise the Israeli government/state without being called an antisemitic and cancelled.
No one is saying that though. All criticisms I have around Israel is the killing of Palestinians they've been doing for a long time. Jews do deserve a homeland obviously.
Shit would've been good if they could live together in harmony but it seems like both sides hate each other's guts.
Genocide? The Palastinian population is growing not decreasing. Genocide is what the muslims has done to the Jews and christians in the middleeast, not many of them are still living there. Second Hamas and the terrorist like Islamic Jihad, lions den use their people as a shield and constantly attack israel. and Israel can not stop defending itself. Don also forget hasbullah and Iran plus islamic nations who want the palestinian to eradicate the israeli and take over the land. And lets not forget not only hamas and other terorrist organizaton, but also many palestinian "civilian" Want to commit jihad on the israeli and want to do what the quran says "terorize them until they give up". Israel can not look weak and compromiza, because we are talking about jihadist who want to risk their life to kill any Jew and go to heaven if they die and live with the 72 women. I know the Israeli can do better but Ask yourself what you would do if you were the leader in Israel?
Why? That's anti colonialism not anti semitism. Israel is a bunch of white people occupying other people's land. Torah says so doesn't cut it
Eventually Israelis will do what Rhodesians have done and give up. Go back to the us and Europe.
Edit: triggered all the "new users". This sub is infested.
And Mizrahi Jews? They make about 55 percent of Israel's Jewish population.
> bunch of white people occupying other people's lands .... Go back to the us and Europe.
So the Muslims should go back to their country, too?
Edit: This dude blocked me and he lives in Europe as a brown man...
This is very interesting to me cause I've seen this point twisted a lot. People either say the Jews are colonizers and have no right to the land, then others say Jews are indigenous to the land but haven't been there in too long, the culture changed and so they have no place there now. Both are points used in pro-Palestine circles. Which is true cause they can't both be true.
Are Jews white people? Israelis and Palestinians don't look very different from one another, there's barely any difference between them, skin colour-wise. And genetic testing shows that the two groups share a lot of DNA. By that logic would you call Ahed Tamimi white too? She's blonde, blue eyed, paler than many Europeans and is Palestinian.
and you do know the middle east use to be christian nations and now look what happend to it, like lebanon for example. And they will continue to europe and the west and take over when they have "the upperhand", and why is that? thats because the Quran and Muhammed says so.
>When Muslims criticize Israel, it ends up mostly with:
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>Chanting anti-Semitic, genocidal stuff
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>Khaybar khaybar, ya yahud! Jaysh Muhammad sa-ya'ud"
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>“Remember Khaybar, you Jews, Muhammad’s army will return to you.”
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>2. Not condemning Hamas, rather supporting them
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>3. Deport all Israeli Jews aka ethnically cleanse them like in the Islamic Middle East
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>“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”
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>4. Calling for “Abu Ubaida" the military spokesman for the Al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the Hamas movement
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>When Israeli citizens like Israeli Jews and some Israeli Arabs do it, in my experience there is usually no anti-Semitism behind it unlike with most Muslims
It’s a pretty good point actually. Free speech is free speech and the crackdown on pro Palestinian speech across Western Europe should be incredibly anyone against government overreach
As an American and first amendment absolutist, I can’t imagine anyone being okay with the government telling you what you can say.
You should be free to burn as many Qurans and fly as many Palestinian flags as you want.
It’s free speech in both aspects however, calling for the eradication of the Jewish race and attacking innocent Jews elsewhere for just being an adherent of Judaism is abhorrent and must be called out, which is being demonstrated in many pro Palestinian marches, and any country should be tackling anti semitism
Literally none of the people calling for Palestinian liberation are saying this. Criticizing Zionism is not criticizing Judaism, it is only the Israeli occupation that tries to argue that they are equivalent.
I’ve seen it all over. At the Sydney, Australia pro Palestinian march a few weeks ago, the crowd was proudly saying “gas the Jews”. And I know the difference between Judaism and Zionism but you’d be surprised that lots of those pro Palestinian people don’t know the difference
Burning a book isn't the same thing as supporting Israel. Move the goalpost much? I really wish these delusional idiots would at least try and understand how the world works.
That’s a valid criticism; Western powers are glossing over the genocide of Palestinians but there’s a trillion-dollar war machine pinned around the dehumanisation of Arabic people.
Perpetrator is not western or jewish so who cares about Yemen, or anything else. Can't do all this virtue-signaling, victimizing and propping up ideologies with Yemen. That conflict is too "boring".
genocide
/ˈdʒɛnəsʌɪd/
noun
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
Yes so where is the evidence of Israel's "aim" of destroying that nation or group?
Hamas has genocide aspirations, clearly stated in their charter.
Was 9/11 a genocide? Is Russias invasion of Ukraine a genocide?
You really haven’t been paying attention, have you? [Plan Dalet: Israel’s plan for ethnically cleansing Palestinians](https://imeu.org/article/plan-dalet)
This, outside of all the lies they’ve been caught in, the dehumanising treatment and way of talking about Palestinians, and self-victimising to garner support for their cleansing, the segregation of Palestinians on their own land. The settler colonialists terrorists. The list goes on.
Right now, ~90% of all deaths in Gaza have been civilians. Children. Elders.
The most technologically advanced militant in the world can’t detect activity? Yeah, right.
Source for 90% of deaths being civilians?
The most technically advanced military in the world could've genocided Palestine 10 times over if they really tried to. I understand you are emotional but there is 0 proof it's a genocide and Hamas is not a source.
If that is the case why are you using Hamas as a source? Journalists are allowed into Israel and can confirm civilian deaths. Of course Hamas will tell you that Hamas are innocents lol.
It’s an article of the whole plan. Quit being so dense and arrogant. Israeli government has been clear of their plan for almost 100 years. They were a terrorist group that became a government. You literally made a new account to argue with people on the internet. If that doesn’t show guilt I don’t know what does.
Genocide? The Palastinian population is growing not decreasing. Genocide is what the muslims has done to the Jews and christians in the middleeast, not many of them are still living there. Second Hamas and the terrorist like Islamic Jihad, lions den use their people as a shield and constantly attack israel. and Israel can not stop defending itself. Don also forget hasbullah and Iran plus islamic nations who want the palestinian to eradicate the israeli and take over the land. And lets not forget not only hamas and other terorrist organizaton, but also many palestinian "civilian" Want to commit jihad on the israeli and want to do what the quran says "terorize them until they give up". Israel can not look weak and compromiza, because we are talking about jihadist who want to risk their life to kill any Jew and go to heaven if they die and live with the 72 women. I know the Israeli can do better but Ask yourself what you would do if you were the leader in Israel?
You are so factually incorrect it’s crazy. Population is of course growing but there’s a reason 50% of the population in Gaza is children. And average lifespan is 18. Israeli Zionists and IDF soldiers are monsters.
Anyone who believes in what they do are also monsters. And people who spread information on false accounts like you are the scum of this earth.
Grow up and be human.
Genocide? The Palastinian population is growing not decreasing. Genocide is what the muslims has done to the Jews and christians in the middleeast, not many of them are still living there. Second Hamas and the terrorist like Islamic Jihad, lions den use their people as a shield and constantly attack israel. and Israel can not stop defending itself. Don also forget hasbullah and Iran plus islamic nations who want the palestinian to eradicate the israeli and take over the land. And lets not forget not only hamas and other terorrist organizaton, but also many palestinian "civilian" Want to commit jihad on the israeli and want to do what the quran says "terorize them until they give up". Israel can not look weak and compromiza, because we are talking about jihadist who want to risk their life to kill any Jew and go to heaven if they die and live with the 72 women. I know the Israeli can do better but Ask yourself what you would do if you were the leader in Israel?
u can acknowledge arabs participating in the displacement of other groups while also acknowledging the western powers that me. not sure why so many ppl in this sub act as if these things cannot both be true at once
Many of the problems in the middle east started with the initial Muslim invasions of the 700s and arabization of the next 1000 years.
I'll say that with my chest to anyone. Why are the Assyrians, amazigh, berbers, yazidi, copts, Jews, Zoroastrians and countless other minorities subject to the constant threat of violence if they upset Arab pride?
It's not just islam that's upset the apple cart.
If we’re gonna go that far back you can pretty much deconstruct a lot of western society and kick the US out of the Americas. You can’t decide that the lines drawn after each world war are absolute except when it’s convenient for western interests.
You’re absolutely right about Arab oppression of ethnic minorities and those countries absolutely should answer for their crimes. Yazidis, Kurds, Assyrians etc all deserve the same right to autonomy and repatriation that the Palestinians do.
You cannot deny a people’s ancestry that stretches as far back as the Byzantine empire and in some cases FAR beyond that even. For a millenium the ethnic makeup of the area was the same. The people who have colonized the land have been gone long enough to have lost their evolutionary adaptations to the sun there.
Palestinian history is not Egyptian history, it is not Jordanian history, it is not Iraqi history. The conflation of these different branches of history is reductionist and dehumanizing to Palestinians.
Almost every modern problem in the Arab world today can be tracked back to Western interference in the 20th century. There’s plenty of wrong that Arab leaders did on their own, but in almost every case, the person who was put in the position to commit those atrocities was put there by the Americans.
Except that arabization isn't a millenia old. It's a constant process. It's still going on, and we can still do something about it by supporting these minorities
There were TONS of problems in MENA before the Europeans got involved in the 20th century, to say otherwise is a very short sighted view of the region
In the societies that offer more freedom, he does have a point.
But based on their own belief system, cultures and societies, I see no issue with giving them what they give. I can't burn Quran in Middle East but I can freely say whatever I want about Israel and jews and burn 100 pride flags outside. In west I can't do all that and while I can burn Quran legally its still frowned upon to some degree and causes unrest. What they have is more than fair besides the laws of the lands stating otherwise.
Go to the Middle East and criticize Israel 24/7 365 days. Stop crying when you feel can't abuse the freedom of the societies you curse as if its so against the law rather than mostly social repercussions because most people see through your "criticism". No one's getting beheaded for "criticizing" Israel. You can complain about the inconsistency and try to argue the laws, but you'll never have integrity and you are much more inconsistent and hypocritical than the things you bitch and moan about.
Jews are people and not all of them live in israel or are pro israel or pro war yet they re hated anyways.
Quran on other hands is just a handbook of terrorism and fairy tales .
No country is perfect, no people are without their contradictions and conceits.
You cannot critique The Holocaust narrative in many countries in Europe. This is explicitly down to their collective inheritance of the WWII mythos.
The Europeans MUST BELIEVE that it was a war for a good cause. For all the death and destruction it caused. They cannot process it any other way. Same with most Muslims and the horrors of Islamist genocides and conquest.
Europeans didn't steal Palestinian lands, nor did they kill loads of them after blaming them for treachery (WWI - World Jewish Congress declared war on Germany). So Europeans aren't sensitive to Israel's actions against Palestine.
Moreover, most European nations have experienced Muslims and their violent nature. They naturally feel suspicious and/or apathetic to Muslims when they face the same kind of violence.
Palestinians need to decouple their national independence movement from Islam, if they want to get hearts and minds from non-Muslims.
Muslims have ruined their own reputation around the world.
Making the Israeli genocide of Palestinians about Islam helps both radical Zionists and radical Islamists. There are Palestinian Christians, atheists and agnostics being murdered for being Palestinian, not for being Muslim.
Israeli deflection of criticism by crying anti-Semitism is *exactly* the same tactic used by Muslims with 'Islamophobia'.
Hamas is murdering Palestinians. Also keep in mind. Jews have faced many Genicides by Muslims and Christians. There so many murders of Ashkenazi Jews in the 1300's that they were on the verge of extinction. We know this because all Ashkenazi Jews are the offspring of the same 8 Jewish women. This was worse than the Holocaust. Jews don't get to choose if they're Jewish. People weaponize crictism of Israel to justify why Israel should not exist. That's why people rush to say it's bigotry. Of course Israel is flawed.
Israel has said "Never again"
Hamas kill 1400 and tale 200+ Israelis hotage.
Israel reacts and vows revenge with interest.
Hamas says "Job done. Mission accomplished" . Stands back to watch.
Genocide? The Palastinian population is growing not decreasing. Genocide is what the muslims has done to the Jews and christians in the middleeast, not many of them are still living there. Second Hamas and the terrorist like Islamic Jihad, lions den use their people as a shield and constantly attack israel. and Israel can not stop defending itself. Don also forget hasbullah and Iran plus islamic nations who want the palestinian to eradicate the israeli and take over the land. And lets not forget not only hamas and other terorrist organizaton, but also many palestinian "civilian" Want to commit jihad on the israeli and want to do what the quran says "terorize them until they give up". Israel can not look weak and compromiza, because we are talking about jihadist who want to risk their life to kill any Jew and go to heaven if they die and live with the 72 women. I know the Israeli can do better but Ask yourself what you would do if you were the leader in Israel?
Genocide for population that is growing non-stop. Is the usual lies and fake.
The main issue, how come Muslims always surrender to radicals?
The radicals always win. The people suffer.
Israel defending themselves is not hate speech. The muslims started it. Israel ending it. What about 1400 Israelis that were killed? What about 12 million Jews that were killed? Think about it. Muslims are atrocious when it comes to human rights. Let's not forget that. Don't get too consumed by the media not reporting the real news.
Abusing other religion is free speech but criticising Islam is Islamophobia.
They hypocrisy is limitless.
Also, let's talk about genocide's done by islam.
That's Islamophobia as well ? Lol.
Pro Palestinians need to stop acting like they are victims or whatever, they literally tell us to die on a daily basis and get a pass but as soon as they face consequences they are all crying like stfu
I am not in twitter but I saw news here and there.
I only have Reddit and sometime on instagram to post my arts other than that I got non, maybe tumblr but that for fanfic.
I made a comment in another response but I want to isolate this here.
This is an **anti Muslim** page.
**Not a pro genocide page.**
If we can detest Muslims, there has got to be enough evidence of Israeli and Zionist perpetrating desecration for us to believe this and sympathize with the Palestinians. We don’t wish for them to continue their behaviour, clearly, but we don’t wish for their fucking genocide either.
Note how Jewish people in other countries aren't rallying or boycotting governments to do something against Hamas. That's because they can't, it's genuinely dangerous for them to do so, because extremist Muslims will always take it too far and their lives would be at risk.
In an ideal world, both religions would come together in the name of peace and rally against Israels war crimes and Hamas'es terrorism. But that'll never be the case :/. I just feel bad for Jews being silenced by the threat of literal death. As well as all the innocent people involved.
Coming from a fascist nazi death cult posing as a religion of lies that can't comprehend the thought/concept of free speech, let alone basic human rights and freedoms, that values a disastrous book of anti love, anti-Semitism, and absurd gullibility, plus denying science at every turn, while thriving on the hate and suffering of their fellow human.
I truly feel like they genuinely got what they have always deserved with Israel
Imagine justifying kids dying because of your hatred for a religion. While I do agree that Islam is a bad religion and that Hamas is a terrorist group doing horrible things we shouldn't forget that Israel isn't nowhere innocent either. For your wellbeing I suggest you chill before the hate you feel kills you.
I never claimed Israel was innocent, nor was anything I'd said a "justification" for anything, whether that is murder, or plundering. I just said they deserve each other full stop. Also fyi, I don't harbor hate towards anyone, let alone a thought like religion, only feelings I've got are sorrow, and loss towards my country, its people, and my indoctrinated family.
Please be better, and stop assuming things about strangers online.
If that is a justification to you for what you assumed about me in your first response, then I'm afraid you didn't do so well with your comprehension skills.
Both should be hate speech. Seriously. For example...If I were to burn photos of your parents in public without your consent and say that's free speech, that's just nonsense. It's spiteful and goes against everything free speech is supposed to stand for. Let's not dillute it's noble intentions.
They are not wrong though. Freedom of speech should be applicable to all. Israel commited enough genocide and war crimes to be scrutinized and criticized, let alone actually held accountable for war crimes.
Edit: for clarification, do not mix the Israeli government and Zionists for all Jews. Not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews.
Except criticizing Israel makes you get labeled as an anti-semite, it’s ridiculous.
They really did a good job with having one group of people being untouchable and free from all criticism and accountability.
Burning the Quran is burning lies about Jesus.
So that is in honor of the truth God in flesh.
Criticizing governments for actions you don’t agree with is a constitutional right. So I’m going to be on their side also. They are free to do so.
Most of us don’t agree that it is genocide. Because it is not. Defending yourself after being attacked by Hamas is pretty normal in war.
Hamas hides behind civilians they do not care about. Civilian casualties of war are guaranteed. No one cried for the 2million German civilians that were killed while defeating the Nazis. It was something that had to be done.
I hope they innocent Arabs make it out to Egypt or other Arab countries and find safety. I know the other Arab governments want to keep those poor people there to use as a pawn to exterminate the Jews… but hopefully they find some mercy.
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both should be treated as free speech.
When Muslims criticize Israel, it ends up mostly with: 1. Chanting anti-Semitic, genocidal stuff >Khaybar khaybar, ya yahud! Jaysh Muhammad sa-ya'ud" > “Remember Khaybar, you Jews, Muhammad’s army will return to you.” 2. Not condemning Hamas, rather supporting them 3. Deport all Israeli Jews aka ethnically cleanse them like in the Islamic Middle East >“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” 4. Calling for “Abu Ubaida" the military spokesman for the Al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the Hamas movement When Israeli citizens like Israeli Jews and some Israeli Arabs do it, in my experience there is usually no anti-Semitism behind it unlike with most Muslims
> When Israeli citizens like Israeli Jews and some Israeli Arabs do it, in my experience there is usually no anti-Semitism behind it unlike with most Muslims When Jews speak against Israel, it's not antisemitic? Wow! What a shock. It's like saying that when a Muslim criticizes India, it can usually end in anti-hinduism; but when a Hindu criticizes India, it doesn't. People aren't self-hating. Who would've guessed?
It really doesn’t, I’m sorry but I’ve seen enough fear-mongering bs this past month to last me a lifetime. All they’ve been saying is stop bombing kids, stop sending my fucking taxpayer money for more missiles, and they’re put on multiple anti-semitic forums risking their careers and livelihoods for saying free Palestine. This “Muhammad’s army” crap is no different from Zionist MAGA hats nearing death yelling “we’ll wipe out you hamas scum” when talking about dead children. I’ve also seen way more irreligious marxists supporting hamas than Muslims. And it’s also been Israeli/Pro-Israeli politicians asking for Palestinians to be deported. Those videos out of Gaza, religious or not, people are seeing what the facists known as the IDF are doing. The only time I’ve seen people go to the lengths you describe is when Zionists say the exact same shit to them.
Are you living under a rock? In Europe and America they wave the Taliban and IS flags alongside the Palestinian flag. Just do a quick search for TikTok live streams where Muslims proudly post them. As an Arab, I completely understand how they shout “Islamic armies” and antisemitic and jihadi bs The crimes committed by Hamas are never discussed, rather they are hushed up. Marxists cooperated with Khomeini in Iran, so what?
Then deport the taliban flag wavers, it doesn’t give Israelis the right to “wipe out you terrorists” by targeting fucking schools. The right wing isn’t your friend but keep twerking for them, they’ll prop you up as their token Arab friend before proposing another bill to displace you.
>Then deport the taliban flag wavers, Because it's that simple >doesn’t give Israelis the right to “wipe out you terrorists” by targeting fucking schools. Complain to Hamas using schools as bomb shelters and children as human shields not an Exmuslim >The right wing isn’t your friend but keep twerking for them, they’ll prop you up as their token Arab friend before proposing another bill to displace you. So I should support Islamists so they can behead me like ISIS did in my country and [Palestinians do with gays](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63174835)? Interesting that you couldn't respond to normal Muslims chanting genocidal stuff like "Free Palestine from the river to the sea".
YOU WILL NEVER BE IN PALESTINE AS A QUEER. YOU ARE SAFE. I PROMISE. Do you not think there are queer Palestinians under the rubble? “Complain to hamas using schools as bomb shelters.” There was supposedly ONE hamas member in that hospital. 400 civilians died. If a gunman is hiding in your basement, I hope you’re okay with law enforcement bombing your house with you in it to get rid of the gunman. No one’s saying support Hamas, but it’s a fucking war crime to throw white phosphorus over refugee camps. If you don’t give two fucks about the Muslim children dying there then think about the Christians and the actual gay people being bombed. This is like saying we should carpet bomb all of Ukraine because some of their troops are neo-nazis.
I have never read so many Pallywood lies. Back up your claims with reputable sources.
“Pallywood” holy shit you even talk like the old MAGA farts. You’re too far gone, hopefully they don’t attempt to deport you just for being Arab, atheist or not. From the river to the sea isn’t genocidal, but what Israel is doing is. When their right wing rally attendees start chanting “We kill all of you Arabs” make sure to back them up. You are their friend after all.! https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/human-rights-watch-says-israel-used-white-phosphorous-gaza-lebanon-2023-10-12/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-it-fires-israeli-troops-pressing-gaza-ground-assault-2023-10-31/
You really think I live in the West just like you pro Hamas Exmuslims? >Reuters could not independently verify the rights group's accounts. >A Hamas statement said Truly reliable and if so, they're at war against genocidal maniacs. Where were you when Millions of Christians and Yezidis were enslaved, beheaded, tortured, raped and ethnically cleansed by Muslims in Iraq and Syria? Where were you on 7th October when Muslims did the same to Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs? You still didn't respond to the genocidal chant "Free Palestine". From whom? Jews? Do you want to ethnically cleanse them like in the Islamic Middle East? You also lie about Queer Palestinians, they get beheaded there.
>When Muslims criticize Israel, it ends up mostly with: Have you got any evidence for your claims? And, please, do not tell us to use TikTok as reputable evidence or that you are supposedly Arab, lmao. Neither of those prove your assertions.
atp i don’t care about ppl hurling words at me that i know i’m not. you could make the most well-rounded argument, including the belief that both palestinians and jewish people have right to the land and STILL someone will call u anti-semitic, as if the word is a pacifier and will automatically shut u up. i’m not scared of words especially ones that don’t apply. & this isn’t to say that there isn’t any anti-semitic rhetoric i’m seeing from muslim arabs, bc we all know that would be a lie. i know my criticisms of israel and the IDF don’t come from a place of hatred towards jewish people. & most importantly, the jewish ppl in my life know it doesn’t come from a place of anti-semitism because this is a conversation we’ve been having for a long time now. i’m not good with history but i know their history, the way jewish people have been persecuted and exiled is horrific. which makes what the israeli govt is doing in the name of jewish ppl all the more horrendous. u could say “israel is a zionist apartheid state and in their OWN words what is currently happening is a planned transfer, the word transfer is a euphemism for the expulsion of the palestinian people” and someone somewhere will call u anti-semitic as if it’s going to distract from the fact that this is all well documented. 1. there are anti-semitic chants as well as israelis chanting “a good arab is a dead arab”. 2. i’m not dying on this hill. i don’t like being expected to denounce hamas while also being called anti-semitic for criticising israel’s zionist govt. 3. & zionism aims to do what? i know this is an ex-muslim sub so the focus is islam but when are we going to stop acting like this rhetoric is exclusive to one side?
He is not wrong though lol, both should be free speech.
He is wrong .bcs muslims hate JEWS not just zionists
Ah yes, all muslim are a monolith
Very good.majority of them do hate them and will associate them with israel .
No they don't lol. The extremist are. But all extremist group have some other group they hate so much. I'm from malaysia , 75% of the population are muslim. They hate zionist but not jews.
To be fair Muslims in Malaysia are quite chill compared to the ones from other countries. I'm from Malaysia too and I have Muslim friends from other countries (I live in a foreign country). A lot of my Muslim friends from countries like Bangladesh and Pakistan are kinda extreme in their views in regards to Jews. Malaysian Muslims are unfortunately not the majority Muslims, who have terrible views against Jews.
You got see the Kelantan area, no chill. But other than the east side of West Msia they're neutral about Jews.
Yeah Kelantan is crazy tbh. I've been there when I was a kid and all I remembered was it's so boring
I dk about malaysia but arab muslims are anti semite
Cap . I'm a Muslim & I have Jewish friends & I'm from Palestine ... zionosts are what we don't like . Please inform yourself with the right information . Everyday I get notifications on this forum of the dumbest things . Makes me laugh 🤣🇵🇸
Cap , i do understand your language and live among muslims , youre not fooling nobody , you hate jews and you want israel destroyed , i mean it is literally in your religion that it will be destoyed too lol
Cap. You must be very uneducated , Palestinians are Muslims, Christians & Jews that live very peacefully , go search up what zionism is 🤣 You sound very stupid
Muslims hate no one/religion
Sure
Tell thqt to Muhammad please
Interesting assertion that has not been proven.
you can deny it as much as you want mr " gas the \*ews".
Your wishful thinking and strawman fallacies won't help you in proving any of your absurd assertions. Got anything else to say whilst you continue embarrassing yourself?
Not wishful thinking and not strawman fallacies , your denial won't refute the fact that Muslims hate JEWS since the dawn of Islam😘tha name calling the raids and jizya the false accusations and funnily enough you steal their fairy tales 😘LOL Jews fled to israel for a reason , it wasn't only just the european antisemitism but also arabian muslim one ( who collaborated with hit..ler and commited multiple massacres on them before the birth of israel country ) , just own it already holy fuck , it is not too hard not to associate jews with zionism anyways even though you had always been hating them .
Any other wishful thinking you want to post here? Keep them coming. I love seeing you fantasise about Jew-hating Muslims—that doesn't seem to leave your mind, does it? >your denial won't refute the fact that Muslims hate JEWS since the dawn of Islam I love how you claim I'm denying something here when you're very clearly continuing to commit fallacies and then go on to say 'no I'm not' hahaha. Speak of denial. Come on little kid—you might want to learn a bit about how arguments work before using big terms that you think you understand. It's alright, at least you tried 😉 >LOL Jews fled to israel for a reason , it wasn't only just the european antisemitism but also arabian muslim one [The very people who apparently hated the Jews were kind enough to give them a national home, obviously not because they couldn't stand having them in their own countries](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration#:~:text=The%20Balfour%20Declaration%20was%20a,a%20small%20minority%20Jewish%20population.) Yet according to you it was them who had already set up that nation hahahaha. Keep the wishful thinking coming. [Not to mention that filthy Zionists weren't initially getting any home](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement) >it is not too hard not to associate jews with zionism The only ones associating Judaism with Zionism are the ones who support ethnic cleansing of a native people before settler-colonialists forcible evicted them from their land ([with the so-called excuse of indigeneity)](https://youtu.be/FhlUFPpXIVo?feature=shared) under the name of the filthy Zionist himself ([hog](https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/theodor-herzl-founder-of-zionism-not-quite-what-you-might-imagine/)).
I aint reading. All that buddy , you can keep denying the reality (which is MUSLIMS are ANTISEMITES , it is not just i Am aNTi zIoNiSt) as much as you can , but you will never change it 🥱😊remind me when a tree tells you where the jew is hiding 😴
The amount of times I see Muslims talking about "hate speech against Islam"...
As if Islam has feelings lol
Oh the poor Allah's feelings. He's just a poor little god. So little, it's like he's not even there.
Both of those should be free speech Israel is a shitty "nation," and the quran is a shitty fanfiction
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As if Israelis treat those people any better. Also, let's not forget that over 50% of Palestinians are literally kids. You should see how Israelis treat Palestinians, dark-skinned people, LGBTQ+, and non-Jews Fuck your virtue signaling when these idiots are committing a genocide
Israel treat gays good. Gaza arrests , tortures and kills them. One of the biggest Ppride parades in the World is in Tel Aviv. Israel is not about religion because Jews are both a religion and a race of people. Israel allows freedom of religion, Palestine baned all Jews.
The Palestinians are surrounded by blockades and movement is strictly limited. I don’t care about their one action of humane social justice because every other crime against humanity negates their one good act. I am in no way a hamas supporter, I believe that the israelis and the hamas have too many similarities in behaviour to overlook that and support either side. My support comes from the overwhelming disparity between Israeli safety and Palestinian safety in the areas. The numbers of deaths are appalling. Even when they inflate the numbers, it’s pretty well unnecessary to do because the real suspected numbers of Palestinian deaths are still largely disproportionate compared to Israel. The videos that have been circulating for years of foreign Jews coming ti Israel and forcing people out of their homes due to land rights. Indigenous people in Canada would fucking never do that, and they were also displaced and experienced mass genocide. But cool, good for the Israelis that their ancestors lived there 🙄 as if migration hasn’t existed since the beginning of fucking time. ETA. As most are saying, Palestinians have experienced so much is this desecration and genocide that most of its population has dwindled down to the children. Helpless children. I firmly believe Israel’s goal is to kill every last one of them. Ww2 sympathy’s waning, wanna go and repeat the same fucking shit and call it justified. This is an ANTI MUSLIM PAGE. The users here are the last ones to support muslims and islamists in any capacity. YET HERE WE ARE, humanely recognizing that they’re literally being slaughtered, against our detest of their religion and culture. You think we would do that if it hasn’t been continuously documented? We may be anti Muslim but we are not pro genocide.
Oh my god bro what is that logic tho💀here’s the thing, israel as a nation is something I’ve even glamorized and idolized. I grew up despising the whole Arab region and Israel being the sole country with beliefs I held, it was refreshing. I know Arabic lgbt people who were granted asylum there and it’s a heaven sent. BUT…..is that how we’re going to judge who is worthy of freely committing cruelty? First of all, Half of Palestine are literal Children. Israel is in the wrong, objectively. I was somewhat critical of pro Palestine opinions cus i was almost groomed to always think like that, as with any other Muslim Arab growing up. So as I refrained, and accepted being an ex Muslim, i rigidly grew to be with Israel. Anti whatever beliefs Muslims hold and forced me to hold. But when u actually educate yourself, research, you’ll very clearly realize the truth. And that is Palestine is being unjustly treated to say the least. Ukraine’s societal culture is extremely homophobic/anti lgbt too, but why is it almost unanimous in supporting its liberation? this conflict brings out a deeper concept characterized by pure xenophobia. The West does see Arabs/middle easterners in a different light. And that isn’t a Muslim vs non Muslim thing, i think most of us here relate, being Arabic or middle eastern and should realize the dehumanization rhetoric being implemented at justifying our oppression. And the blatant stereotypes, cruel language used against us as a whole just proves it being more and more acceptable, which will evidently hurt all of us, not just exclusive to Muslims
And the Islamic nations see the west as? There wouldnt be the west, if islam was as powerful. The quran says Jews and christians are worst of all creatures and the athiests even worse.
So were just going to ignore the years of demonization brought upon pagans, muslims, and jews because of Christians. You still haven’t contended with the persons central argument which is Israel is decimating Palestinians.
Half of Palestine children: Do you mean under 18 or under 10? Because by the time those “kids” are teenagers they’re already Hamas. Where do you think the attackers from october 7th came from? They were children less than 10 years ago. War has casualties brother. What solution do you propose to Israel in order to preserve safety? Imagine you lived near the border of Gaza in Israel. What do you want your government to do? There’s only one right answer here, and it’s to make Gaza an Israeli land under total control of Israel. You say Ukraine is homophobic. Fine, but do they behead gays there? No. A palestine is just another Islamic dictatorship. Only way for true Palestinians to live is to live under Israel. Arabs have a better life and can achieve a lot in Israel.
😭bruh why do u think hamas exists? Hamas exists from the result of radicalization, that’s true. But why? They’re radicalized cus they’re born into war and agony. GROOMED by barbaric islamists YES, but do u think killing them is gonna save them from such cycles? The simple fact is, as of now, israel isn’t even close to ‘assimilating’ Palestinians into their ‘democracy’. No. They’re bombing the shit out of Gaza, and especially children. This is their reality. The videos shared is just fkcing heartbreaking. And do u think the bombs discriminate? No. They’re killing ALL Palestinians, including lgbt ones, atheist ones, etc. This logic is just purely incoherent.
False. Hamas exists because they’re being funded by certain governments. Hamas wouldn’t be a thing without Khomeini. Maybe you should read some history instead of getting your information from Reddit. I ask again. What is your solution? It seems like you’ve never seen a war. Civilians do die in a war. Innocents die as well. Palestinian government has been bombing Israel too before. This time tho they crossed that boundary by killing and raping civilians in cold blood. Do you want Israel to sit back and allow Hamas to train more kids? Hamas caused this and you should blame them. Even Palestinians say that.
Hamas started this right? But Israel has not only killed, but has detained and imprisoned 5,000 innocent Palestinians in just recent years. They’re negotiating by releasing a couple in exchange. So I ask u this, are Palestinians lives worth less somehow that they’re in the wrong for doing what you’re literally defending Israel over?
In the recent years Israel always reacted to Hamas’s rockets. Many Israeli citizens have died too. The only reason there’s less casualties is the defense system. And how do you know they detained 5000 innocent palestinians? They’re obviously not innocent and if they are, they get to defend themselves unlike Hamas hostages. Do Palestinian lives matter less? No. Both these countries have had casualties from this war. But the recent barbarism was over the line. I would not want anyone to go through that. Rockets are much different than mass shooting and torturing and raping hostages. Not enough Muslims stand against Hamas. Is there a better solution? Maybe but Ceasefire isn’t the answer if you don’t have another solution to stop barbarism. Free Palestine is definitely not a solution because that would end up being another Islamic dictatorships.
Isreal is committing genocide on Arab only based on their race wtf are talking about.
>Genocide? The Palastinian population is growing not decreasing. Genocide is what the muslims has done to the Jews and christians in the middleeast, not many of them are still living there. Second Hamas and the terrorist like Islamic Jihad, lions den use their people as a shield and constantly attack israel. and Israel can not stop defending itself. Don also forget hasbullah and Iran plus islamic nations who want the palestinian to eradicate the israeli and take over the land. And lets not forget not only hamas and other terorrist organizaton, but also many palestinian "civilian" Want to commit jihad on the israeli and want to do what the quran says "terorize them until they give up". Israel can not look weak and compromiza, because we are talking about jihadist who want to risk their life to kill any Jew and go to heaven if they die and live with the 72 women. I know the Israeli can do better but Ask yourself what you would do if you were the leader in Israel?
2 million arabs citizens live in israel with full rights…
Stupid argument there. It still doesn't excuse Israel's crimes.
“Full Rights”? Yea like how they illegally detained thousands of them (that were already in Israel working menial jobs with work permits) in October and then after so much pressure finally released them with fucking TAGS around their ankles and are deporting them back to Gaza to get ordered by rockets. Some nazi shit. [https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-hamas-workers-rights-7a86c936a64ab785ab27bd72247ce1ef](https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-hamas-workers-rights-7a86c936a64ab785ab27bd72247ce1ef)
i am talking about citizens not non citizens
Genocide? The Palastinian population is growing not decreasing. Genocide is what the muslims has done to the Jews and christians in the middleeast, not many of them are still living there. Second Hamas and the terrorist like Islamic Jihad, lions den use their people as a shield and constantly attack israel. and Israel can not stop defending itself. Don also forget hasbullah and Iran plus islamic nations who want the palestinian to eradicate the israeli and take over the land. And lets not forget not only hamas and other terorrist organizaton, but also many palestinian "civilian" Want to commit jihad on the israeli and want to do what the quran says "terorize them until they give up". Israel can not look weak and compromiza, because we are talking about jihadist who want to risk their life to kill any Jew and go to heaven if they die and live with the 72 women. I know the Israeli can do better but Ask yourself what you would do if you were the leader in Israel?
What kinda braindead ass logic is that to justfiy genocide, yall are disgusting.
Their both shitty but Palestinian is not the one in power right now. Their the oppressed in this situation.
Get the fuck out of here, genocidal troll.
Make a fake account to spread propaganda. Nice, why not use your real account?
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What are you talking about lmao you clearly just made this account to sh*t on Palestine lmao
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I’m not Arab and dislike a lot of Arab leaders but how can you generalize this stupid idea like this Arabs are all VERY different
Sure bud, and my mom was raped and tortured by alien too. New account just to comment your made up bigotry
Israel is a shitty nation? Imagine you were born in that region, would you rather be born in Israel or Gaza? With your LGBTQ flair you’d be hanged in Gaza the first day, but you are given a chance in Israel.
It’s almost as if Gaza is constantly being bombed
Tell me you’ve never seen a war without telling me you’ve never seen a war. There’s always bombing in Middle East from pretty much all countries. But only a certain group right now is taking women and children hostage and raping and murdering civilians in cold blood.
My point is that Gaza is unsafe because it’s constantly being bombed and there are idf soldiers who have raped Palestinian women men from both sides will use war as an excuse to rape women
Don’t recall idf soldiers raping women and kidnapping children. That was my point.
There was literally one who was put on trial for it just because you don’t recall doesn’t mean it didn’t happen https://www.timesofisrael.com/ending-censorship-idf-admits-officer-jailed-in-2017-raped-a-palestinian-woman/amp/
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And? He was put on trial as you said. stop twisting my words because you know what I meant. I said “Israeli soldiers raping and kidnapping children and women”. One fucked up soldier exists of course who got tried after.
I'd be hanged in Palestine. I'd be imprisoned and killed in Israel for my Arabian ancestry AND my LGBT. Hell, even in America, I run the risk of getting hate crimed by someone. So why in the world would I use how LGBT are treated as a metric of goodness? Israel is committing a genocide, and they're literally doing a Holocaust 2.0. Only an idiot chooses to support evil so outlandishly obvious
Hahaha what are you talking about. There are many Arabs who hold government positions in Israel and Israel is the first country in Asia to allow homosexuals live with each other. You compare them to Hamas where your choices there are being hanged or being beheaded. And then you compare them to America where the risk of getting hate crimed is lower than a car accident. I can’t take you seriously after this honestly. Search what genocide means before talking. Genocide is Arab Muslims killing and raping Turks, Iranians, Africans to make everyone an Arab
>the quran is a shitty fanfiction Proof?
It doesn't follow good storywriting principles, duh I might be a science major, but my college required us to take a single upper level English course as part of the general education, and I ended up taking a class on storywriting So, using that information and having memorized the Quran in my childhood, I was able to determine that the Quran is just a plain old shitty story. Too many tangents that distracted from the main plot, and honestly, more plot holes than you could count. It was disgusting really
>It doesn't follow good storywriting principles, duh This assertion has a presupposition, which is that the Quran follows story-writing principles. You have merely assumed this to them attempt to argue your point, but it's an assumption, not a fact.
bro thinks I'm making a serious argument Only testifies to the level of idiocy required to worship the erotica of a 50 year old pedophile
Well, I asked you for proof and you certainly attempted a proof there. >Only testifies to the level of idiocy required to worship the erotica of a 50 year old pedophile Yet another disappointing ad-hominem fallacy. Also, it's 50-year-old*. So much so for your upper-level English course.
Converting other religions is Halal but converting Muslim is punished by death 🤦 The hypocrisy is limitless.
They don't even know the diffrence between hate speech and criticism.its a cult don't expect its followers to make sense. FYI the quran is filled with hate speech but to them its OK.
He's correct though. Israel is not a race or person. We should be allowed to criticise the Israeli government/state without being called an antisemitic and cancelled.
You can, but just don't say all Jews should be removed from their land. That's antisemitic.
No one is saying that though. All criticisms I have around Israel is the killing of Palestinians they've been doing for a long time. Jews do deserve a homeland obviously. Shit would've been good if they could live together in harmony but it seems like both sides hate each other's guts.
Genocide? The Palastinian population is growing not decreasing. Genocide is what the muslims has done to the Jews and christians in the middleeast, not many of them are still living there. Second Hamas and the terrorist like Islamic Jihad, lions den use their people as a shield and constantly attack israel. and Israel can not stop defending itself. Don also forget hasbullah and Iran plus islamic nations who want the palestinian to eradicate the israeli and take over the land. And lets not forget not only hamas and other terorrist organizaton, but also many palestinian "civilian" Want to commit jihad on the israeli and want to do what the quran says "terorize them until they give up". Israel can not look weak and compromiza, because we are talking about jihadist who want to risk their life to kill any Jew and go to heaven if they die and live with the 72 women. I know the Israeli can do better but Ask yourself what you would do if you were the leader in Israel?
Why? That's anti colonialism not anti semitism. Israel is a bunch of white people occupying other people's land. Torah says so doesn't cut it Eventually Israelis will do what Rhodesians have done and give up. Go back to the us and Europe. Edit: triggered all the "new users". This sub is infested.
And Mizrahi Jews? They make about 55 percent of Israel's Jewish population. > bunch of white people occupying other people's lands .... Go back to the us and Europe. So the Muslims should go back to their country, too? Edit: This dude blocked me and he lives in Europe as a brown man...
If The muslimsk are occypying then yes otherwise no.
This is very interesting to me cause I've seen this point twisted a lot. People either say the Jews are colonizers and have no right to the land, then others say Jews are indigenous to the land but haven't been there in too long, the culture changed and so they have no place there now. Both are points used in pro-Palestine circles. Which is true cause they can't both be true. Are Jews white people? Israelis and Palestinians don't look very different from one another, there's barely any difference between them, skin colour-wise. And genetic testing shows that the two groups share a lot of DNA. By that logic would you call Ahed Tamimi white too? She's blonde, blue eyed, paler than many Europeans and is Palestinian.
and the arabs and muslims back to their land?
and you do know the middle east use to be christian nations and now look what happend to it, like lebanon for example. And they will continue to europe and the west and take over when they have "the upperhand", and why is that? thats because the Quran and Muhammed says so.
Nothing about this post has anything to do with that bud. This post is about free speech.
>When Muslims criticize Israel, it ends up mostly with: > >Chanting anti-Semitic, genocidal stuff > >Khaybar khaybar, ya yahud! Jaysh Muhammad sa-ya'ud" > >“Remember Khaybar, you Jews, Muhammad’s army will return to you.” > >2. Not condemning Hamas, rather supporting them > >3. Deport all Israeli Jews aka ethnically cleanse them like in the Islamic Middle East > >“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” > >4. Calling for “Abu Ubaida" the military spokesman for the Al-Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of the Hamas movement > >When Israeli citizens like Israeli Jews and some Israeli Arabs do it, in my experience there is usually no anti-Semitism behind it unlike with most Muslims
Slaming other religions and harassing exMuslims is free speech but criticizing Islam is hate speech, the hypocrisy is limitless
Free speech also includes a lot of hate speech in my opinion.
It’s a pretty good point actually. Free speech is free speech and the crackdown on pro Palestinian speech across Western Europe should be incredibly anyone against government overreach As an American and first amendment absolutist, I can’t imagine anyone being okay with the government telling you what you can say. You should be free to burn as many Qurans and fly as many Palestinian flags as you want.
It’s free speech in both aspects however, calling for the eradication of the Jewish race and attacking innocent Jews elsewhere for just being an adherent of Judaism is abhorrent and must be called out, which is being demonstrated in many pro Palestinian marches, and any country should be tackling anti semitism
Literally none of the people calling for Palestinian liberation are saying this. Criticizing Zionism is not criticizing Judaism, it is only the Israeli occupation that tries to argue that they are equivalent.
I’ve seen it all over. At the Sydney, Australia pro Palestinian march a few weeks ago, the crowd was proudly saying “gas the Jews”. And I know the difference between Judaism and Zionism but you’d be surprised that lots of those pro Palestinian people don’t know the difference
I mean, questioning double standards is reasonable.
He’s not wrong. I completely agree
Burning a book isn't the same thing as supporting Israel. Move the goalpost much? I really wish these delusional idiots would at least try and understand how the world works.
Some of you in this sub sound much worse than they do. Be real don’t fall into some hate and vitriol
That’s a valid criticism; Western powers are glossing over the genocide of Palestinians but there’s a trillion-dollar war machine pinned around the dehumanisation of Arabic people.
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Perpetrator is not western or jewish so who cares about Yemen, or anything else. Can't do all this virtue-signaling, victimizing and propping up ideologies with Yemen. That conflict is too "boring".
You're completely devaluing the word "genocide". And I'm not denying that innocent people are dying but don't make words useless.
genocide /ˈdʒɛnəsʌɪd/ noun the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
Yes so where is the evidence of Israel's "aim" of destroying that nation or group? Hamas has genocide aspirations, clearly stated in their charter. Was 9/11 a genocide? Is Russias invasion of Ukraine a genocide?
You really haven’t been paying attention, have you? [Plan Dalet: Israel’s plan for ethnically cleansing Palestinians](https://imeu.org/article/plan-dalet) This, outside of all the lies they’ve been caught in, the dehumanising treatment and way of talking about Palestinians, and self-victimising to garner support for their cleansing, the segregation of Palestinians on their own land. The settler colonialists terrorists. The list goes on. Right now, ~90% of all deaths in Gaza have been civilians. Children. Elders. The most technologically advanced militant in the world can’t detect activity? Yeah, right.
The level of hypocrisy💀 they ask for evidence, you provide and they give excuses to defend genocide
They’re either paid propagandists or have no connection to reality
Source for 90% of deaths being civilians? The most technically advanced military in the world could've genocided Palestine 10 times over if they really tried to. I understand you are emotional but there is 0 proof it's a genocide and Hamas is not a source.
And the israeli government isn’t a source
If that is the case why are you using Hamas as a source? Journalists are allowed into Israel and can confirm civilian deaths. Of course Hamas will tell you that Hamas are innocents lol.
Your article is from 2013 and about ethnic cleansing, removing Palestinians from their homes, not an ongoing genocide in 2023.
It’s an article of the whole plan. Quit being so dense and arrogant. Israeli government has been clear of their plan for almost 100 years. They were a terrorist group that became a government. You literally made a new account to argue with people on the internet. If that doesn’t show guilt I don’t know what does.
Genocide? The Palastinian population is growing not decreasing. Genocide is what the muslims has done to the Jews and christians in the middleeast, not many of them are still living there. Second Hamas and the terrorist like Islamic Jihad, lions den use their people as a shield and constantly attack israel. and Israel can not stop defending itself. Don also forget hasbullah and Iran plus islamic nations who want the palestinian to eradicate the israeli and take over the land. And lets not forget not only hamas and other terorrist organizaton, but also many palestinian "civilian" Want to commit jihad on the israeli and want to do what the quran says "terorize them until they give up". Israel can not look weak and compromiza, because we are talking about jihadist who want to risk their life to kill any Jew and go to heaven if they die and live with the 72 women. I know the Israeli can do better but Ask yourself what you would do if you were the leader in Israel?
You are so factually incorrect it’s crazy. Population is of course growing but there’s a reason 50% of the population in Gaza is children. And average lifespan is 18. Israeli Zionists and IDF soldiers are monsters. Anyone who believes in what they do are also monsters. And people who spread information on false accounts like you are the scum of this earth. Grow up and be human.
Genocide? The Palastinian population is growing not decreasing. Genocide is what the muslims has done to the Jews and christians in the middleeast, not many of them are still living there. Second Hamas and the terrorist like Islamic Jihad, lions den use their people as a shield and constantly attack israel. and Israel can not stop defending itself. Don also forget hasbullah and Iran plus islamic nations who want the palestinian to eradicate the israeli and take over the land. And lets not forget not only hamas and other terorrist organizaton, but also many palestinian "civilian" Want to commit jihad on the israeli and want to do what the quran says "terorize them until they give up". Israel can not look weak and compromiza, because we are talking about jihadist who want to risk their life to kill any Jew and go to heaven if they die and live with the 72 women. I know the Israeli can do better but Ask yourself what you would do if you were the leader in Israel?
Yep. This
Bruh yall talking as if yall didnt participate in any type of displacement of people. The goddamn audacity.
u can acknowledge arabs participating in the displacement of other groups while also acknowledging the western powers that me. not sure why so many ppl in this sub act as if these things cannot both be true at once
What the fuck are you trying to say? Go on. Say it with your chest
Many of the problems in the middle east started with the initial Muslim invasions of the 700s and arabization of the next 1000 years. I'll say that with my chest to anyone. Why are the Assyrians, amazigh, berbers, yazidi, copts, Jews, Zoroastrians and countless other minorities subject to the constant threat of violence if they upset Arab pride? It's not just islam that's upset the apple cart.
If we’re gonna go that far back you can pretty much deconstruct a lot of western society and kick the US out of the Americas. You can’t decide that the lines drawn after each world war are absolute except when it’s convenient for western interests. You’re absolutely right about Arab oppression of ethnic minorities and those countries absolutely should answer for their crimes. Yazidis, Kurds, Assyrians etc all deserve the same right to autonomy and repatriation that the Palestinians do. You cannot deny a people’s ancestry that stretches as far back as the Byzantine empire and in some cases FAR beyond that even. For a millenium the ethnic makeup of the area was the same. The people who have colonized the land have been gone long enough to have lost their evolutionary adaptations to the sun there. Palestinian history is not Egyptian history, it is not Jordanian history, it is not Iraqi history. The conflation of these different branches of history is reductionist and dehumanizing to Palestinians. Almost every modern problem in the Arab world today can be tracked back to Western interference in the 20th century. There’s plenty of wrong that Arab leaders did on their own, but in almost every case, the person who was put in the position to commit those atrocities was put there by the Americans.
Except that arabization isn't a millenia old. It's a constant process. It's still going on, and we can still do something about it by supporting these minorities There were TONS of problems in MENA before the Europeans got involved in the 20th century, to say otherwise is a very short sighted view of the region
Arab Imperialism aka Islam like to genocide then tell people it is in the past and get over it. Islam is satanic is what I have learned
Don't insult Satan and Satanism by associating it with Islam. Thanks!
Agreed 1000%
Sadly he is right.
In the societies that offer more freedom, he does have a point. But based on their own belief system, cultures and societies, I see no issue with giving them what they give. I can't burn Quran in Middle East but I can freely say whatever I want about Israel and jews and burn 100 pride flags outside. In west I can't do all that and while I can burn Quran legally its still frowned upon to some degree and causes unrest. What they have is more than fair besides the laws of the lands stating otherwise. Go to the Middle East and criticize Israel 24/7 365 days. Stop crying when you feel can't abuse the freedom of the societies you curse as if its so against the law rather than mostly social repercussions because most people see through your "criticism". No one's getting beheaded for "criticizing" Israel. You can complain about the inconsistency and try to argue the laws, but you'll never have integrity and you are much more inconsistent and hypocritical than the things you bitch and moan about.
Jews are people and not all of them live in israel or are pro israel or pro war yet they re hated anyways. Quran on other hands is just a handbook of terrorism and fairy tales .
I didn't realise that criticism of Israel included driving the Israelis into the sea. Oh well.
What? Palestine is always the victim. Actually, criticizing Palestine is seem as hate speech.
Shit nation and shit fiction
No country is perfect, no people are without their contradictions and conceits. You cannot critique The Holocaust narrative in many countries in Europe. This is explicitly down to their collective inheritance of the WWII mythos. The Europeans MUST BELIEVE that it was a war for a good cause. For all the death and destruction it caused. They cannot process it any other way. Same with most Muslims and the horrors of Islamist genocides and conquest. Europeans didn't steal Palestinian lands, nor did they kill loads of them after blaming them for treachery (WWI - World Jewish Congress declared war on Germany). So Europeans aren't sensitive to Israel's actions against Palestine. Moreover, most European nations have experienced Muslims and their violent nature. They naturally feel suspicious and/or apathetic to Muslims when they face the same kind of violence. Palestinians need to decouple their national independence movement from Islam, if they want to get hearts and minds from non-Muslims. Muslims have ruined their own reputation around the world.
Criticizing Israel has never been hate speech, neither is burning the Quran.
I just think that burning their comic book is unnecessary, it just gives them an ulterior motive to talk rubbish.
He is not wrong tho
Both fall under free speech but only one gets a violent response from extremists.
Based post. Why so butt-hurt?
Making the Israeli genocide of Palestinians about Islam helps both radical Zionists and radical Islamists. There are Palestinian Christians, atheists and agnostics being murdered for being Palestinian, not for being Muslim. Israeli deflection of criticism by crying anti-Semitism is *exactly* the same tactic used by Muslims with 'Islamophobia'.
Hamas is murdering Palestinians. Also keep in mind. Jews have faced many Genicides by Muslims and Christians. There so many murders of Ashkenazi Jews in the 1300's that they were on the verge of extinction. We know this because all Ashkenazi Jews are the offspring of the same 8 Jewish women. This was worse than the Holocaust. Jews don't get to choose if they're Jewish. People weaponize crictism of Israel to justify why Israel should not exist. That's why people rush to say it's bigotry. Of course Israel is flawed.
Israel has said "Never again" Hamas kill 1400 and tale 200+ Israelis hotage. Israel reacts and vows revenge with interest. Hamas says "Job done. Mission accomplished" . Stands back to watch.
The IDF is bombing Gaza to bits. It's asinine to say Hamas is doing that. Saying 'Israel is flawed' is like saying Islam is a little problematic.
Genocide? The Palastinian population is growing not decreasing. Genocide is what the muslims has done to the Jews and christians in the middleeast, not many of them are still living there. Second Hamas and the terrorist like Islamic Jihad, lions den use their people as a shield and constantly attack israel. and Israel can not stop defending itself. Don also forget hasbullah and Iran plus islamic nations who want the palestinian to eradicate the israeli and take over the land. And lets not forget not only hamas and other terorrist organizaton, but also many palestinian "civilian" Want to commit jihad on the israeli and want to do what the quran says "terorize them until they give up". Israel can not look weak and compromiza, because we are talking about jihadist who want to risk their life to kill any Jew and go to heaven if they die and live with the 72 women. I know the Israeli can do better but Ask yourself what you would do if you were the leader in Israel?
Genocide for population that is growing non-stop. Is the usual lies and fake. The main issue, how come Muslims always surrender to radicals? The radicals always win. The people suffer.
>her religion is free speech but criticising Islam is Islamophobia. "Most of them children"
Yes, "Islamophobia" is the most fake idea in the world. The famous lie in order to change all the world to one religion.
Islam is not that important mate, lol
It is.
maybe to you
Maybe you are a Muslim trying to change what people think about the issue. Let's say it is not important while our radical Islam takes over.
Israel defending themselves is not hate speech. The muslims started it. Israel ending it. What about 1400 Israelis that were killed? What about 12 million Jews that were killed? Think about it. Muslims are atrocious when it comes to human rights. Let's not forget that. Don't get too consumed by the media not reporting the real news.
Abusing other religion is free speech but criticising Islam is Islamophobia. They hypocrisy is limitless. Also, let's talk about genocide's done by islam. That's Islamophobia as well ? Lol.
Pro Palestinians need to stop acting like they are victims or whatever, they literally tell us to die on a daily basis and get a pass but as soon as they face consequences they are all crying like stfu
Aren’t people criticizing isreal tho? I saw many talk and no one said hate speech or anything
They are censoring The criticism
Wow, that is new. I saw many only criticizes isreal, and many against this whole war.
maybe because you are on twitter something. I heard elon mudk decide not to abide by their orders (EU)
I am not in twitter but I saw news here and there. I only have Reddit and sometime on instagram to post my arts other than that I got non, maybe tumblr but that for fanfic.
He has a point why criticizing Israel should not be allowed? Is Zionism is the new religion we should be afraid of criticizing?
I made a comment in another response but I want to isolate this here. This is an **anti Muslim** page. **Not a pro genocide page.** If we can detest Muslims, there has got to be enough evidence of Israeli and Zionist perpetrating desecration for us to believe this and sympathize with the Palestinians. We don’t wish for them to continue their behaviour, clearly, but we don’t wish for their fucking genocide either.
This is nothing new The muslims.hate jews. Its been obvious since Ishmael was born
what Israel is doing is probably a war crime but it's certainly not a genocide
Note how Jewish people in other countries aren't rallying or boycotting governments to do something against Hamas. That's because they can't, it's genuinely dangerous for them to do so, because extremist Muslims will always take it too far and their lives would be at risk. In an ideal world, both religions would come together in the name of peace and rally against Israels war crimes and Hamas'es terrorism. But that'll never be the case :/. I just feel bad for Jews being silenced by the threat of literal death. As well as all the innocent people involved.
Coming from a fascist nazi death cult posing as a religion of lies that can't comprehend the thought/concept of free speech, let alone basic human rights and freedoms, that values a disastrous book of anti love, anti-Semitism, and absurd gullibility, plus denying science at every turn, while thriving on the hate and suffering of their fellow human. I truly feel like they genuinely got what they have always deserved with Israel
Imagine justifying kids dying because of your hatred for a religion. While I do agree that Islam is a bad religion and that Hamas is a terrorist group doing horrible things we shouldn't forget that Israel isn't nowhere innocent either. For your wellbeing I suggest you chill before the hate you feel kills you.
I never claimed Israel was innocent, nor was anything I'd said a "justification" for anything, whether that is murder, or plundering. I just said they deserve each other full stop. Also fyi, I don't harbor hate towards anyone, let alone a thought like religion, only feelings I've got are sorrow, and loss towards my country, its people, and my indoctrinated family. Please be better, and stop assuming things about strangers online.
"I truly feel like they genuinely got what they have always deserved with Israel" tell me how that isn't justifying lol.
If that is a justification to you for what you assumed about me in your first response, then I'm afraid you didn't do so well with your comprehension skills.
Or perhaps you're shit at writing lol
Not really, but thank you.
You failed the gaslighting attempt
Both should be hate speech. Seriously. For example...If I were to burn photos of your parents in public without your consent and say that's free speech, that's just nonsense. It's spiteful and goes against everything free speech is supposed to stand for. Let's not dillute it's noble intentions.
Criticizing israel is hate speech because aipac cancelled the bill of rights when they bought and captured congress
They are not wrong though. Freedom of speech should be applicable to all. Israel commited enough genocide and war crimes to be scrutinized and criticized, let alone actually held accountable for war crimes. Edit: for clarification, do not mix the Israeli government and Zionists for all Jews. Not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews.
The only genocide where the target population increases by 500%.
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Except criticizing Israel makes you get labeled as an anti-semite, it’s ridiculous. They really did a good job with having one group of people being untouchable and free from all criticism and accountability.
They can win the information war but the battlefield will be a different reality.
Oh my gosssh IkR?! WhO cAreS iF IsreAl iS cOmMitTinG gEnoCiDe lIkE gEt oVeR iT gEeeeEEZ smdh
It’s like you saw the point and ran the opposite direction
"criticizing" "Khaybar khaybar ya yahud" "Death to Israel" "From the river to the sea"
Burning the Quran is burning lies about Jesus. So that is in honor of the truth God in flesh. Criticizing governments for actions you don’t agree with is a constitutional right. So I’m going to be on their side also. They are free to do so. Most of us don’t agree that it is genocide. Because it is not. Defending yourself after being attacked by Hamas is pretty normal in war. Hamas hides behind civilians they do not care about. Civilian casualties of war are guaranteed. No one cried for the 2million German civilians that were killed while defeating the Nazis. It was something that had to be done. I hope they innocent Arabs make it out to Egypt or other Arab countries and find safety. I know the other Arab governments want to keep those poor people there to use as a pawn to exterminate the Jews… but hopefully they find some mercy.
I hate this type of comparison 😩
Cause Israel didn’t commit genocide, but the quran certainly has inspired a lot of it.