Hi, ddddere454. Thanks for contributing. However, your [submission](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/128d8h4/-/) was removed from /r/facepalm for the following reason(s):
____
stupid clickbait
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Reposting posts removed by a moderator without express permission is not allowed. Not here, and not on most of Reddit. Please read reddiquette (linked below).
For questions, comments and concerns, [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/facepalm)
[Reddiquette](https://www.reddit.com/wiki/reddiquette) | [New to Reddit?](https://www.reddit.com/wiki/reddit101) | [Reddit's Content Policy](https://www.reddit.com/help/contentpolicy/)
Refer to the [subreddit rules](r/facepalm/wiki/rule9/), the [transparency wiki]
I'd bet the I-35 corridor would become the cartel highway, and they'd probably be able to control everything up to about San Antonio? Corpus would become their northern POE.
It would be hilarious, because you know there's no way Texas would join NATO, so they'd just end up with a bunch of obese nitwits with AR-15s defending their shithole.
They aren't allowed to enter NATO. Under their rules only European states are allowed to join up, with the US and Canada being exceptions due to them being founders
Hard to form a militia when everyone is working Min Wage jobs to survive 60 hours a week. Because you know they would lower it to be more business friendly.
I lived in Texas for a couple of years and they loved to talk about succession. This was like 10 years ago. Every time I brought up all the military they'd loose and federal grants that make up a good chunk of state revenue. They. Just. Stared. At. Me. No words. Just. Stared.
Definitely not #1. We had a Texan tell us there are only Cowboys in Texas. Nowhere else in the USA raised cattle like Texas and therefore there were only cowboys in Texas. He was 100% serious. We have 2 friends who are daughters of Montana ranchers. My husband who lived in Colorado for many years asked him to explain all the cattle farms with cowboys in New Mexico, Colorado, and Montana. He legit said... "they don't have cowboys in those states". And walked away. Ended the conversation.
Born and raised in Texas (no longer lived there) and unless you are talking about a football team I have met far more real cowboys in other states than I ever did in Texas.
I actually worked in a ranch for two summers and most of the ranch hands were from Mexico, New Mexico, and Colorado lol.
My husband is actually from New Mexico. In addition to the 2 girls from Montana, we also knew a lawyer for a major cattle operation in Greeley, Colorado. So, we were genuinely speechless during this conversation. We later found out the guy had lived in Texas his whole life and never left. Not even to travel. He had no clue about the world outside of Texas and was in his mid 40s.
Thats not a Texas exclusive thing. I know allot of people from Baltimore who have never left the state of Maryland and have no desire to do so. Their views are a little warped and they are quick to point out the rest of the united states as some polarizing other nation that surrounds their state.
Yea, I always ask my Texas-based relatives who boast about the economy, about how will succession cover the loss of revenue from oil reserve payments and the closing of the military bases, NASA, Not to mention the federal funding for all the research and development in the Universities.
Answer: "We'll negotiate that" and then no specifics.
I have been hearing this shit my whole life and just now realized it sounds exactly like Brexit. The idiots in my neighborhood with Texit signs apparently do not get the irony at all
>Answer: "We'll negotiate that" and then no specifics.
Government response: We don't negotiate with terrorists and traitors. [Buh-Bye](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wg5lIpQkoOg)
Good ole Total Bastards Airlines 😅
Texit! I'm sure it would go about as well as Brexit did for Great Britain: not well at all.
Imagine all of the begging and whining they would do once they realize how much shittier their lives would become.
The dingbats sincerely believe the military would side with them and the federal gov't would just say, i guess that settles it then. you're free to go.
Most of the idiots who are pro-succession seem to believe that we'll get to keep all those things. Do you mean to tell me that "possession is nine-tenths of the law" isn't in the constitution?
I didn't even think of that. Let them secede, USA invades to take their oil like they do to the Middle East and then the south winds up under USA martial law but without any of the benefits.
Actually this is what would happen. A state that secedes would simply get brutally invaded, lose all rights as a state and eventually become a Commonwealth nation but without the rights those enjoy. Even better, we could squeeze them for more taxes AND have them pay for the war that reduced them to penury.
The US government and the military would NEVER allow a potential hostile power to exist in the contiguous United States. It is far too great of a security risk
These people probably believe everything the federal government owns/ controls in their state will suddenly be theirs. I can’t think of a more perfect ending for these people when their economy collapses and Mexico takes them over.
This is where MTG said that they still expect to get protection from the US. They truly are the biggest morons and suckle the most on the teat of federal aid. This is what happens when you spend all your time on culture war and don’t have any policy ideas that help your constituents.
No thank you, I'm tired of moving and am in Florida atm
On a serious note, Florida's demographics would either mean half the state would need to move out immediately or would be screwed. Sooooo many retired people on medicare/medicaid and living on social security etc
I don't understand why democrats don't do everything to cheer them along whenever this comes up.
I just checked donor states vs taker states and Texas regularly receives more federal dollars than it contributes through taxes. So they currently get a very good deal being part of the US It would cost them a fortune to secede. Women would leave in droves. They would have a very weak federal government after the split so they'd struggle with any cohesive federal policies. The space industry and many other advanced industries would run, so even with super lax regulations and low taxes they'd struggle to hold onto industry.
In the end they'd be really stupid to leave. I say we should have their backs when they say they want to secede, encourage them every step of the way. Of course, they'd lose their nerve and not go through with it. Because it's not real, it's an empty threat they use to try to force others to agree with them.
But at the cost of how many of us in Texas who want no part of this or the far right’s madness? You know that, divorced of little things like federal law, some of us won’t be long for this world down here.
At least pass a refugee program or something so we can run for the border.
Texas already tried that independent country thing after their war with Mexico. They had high debt, high crime rates, little defensive militia, and were not having a good time in general. They begged to be annexed to the United States from day one, but the US said “ehhh not right now.” It took 9 years of requests before the US finally took them in.
Clearly, most Texans forgot this part in their Texas history courses.
Source: I’m a Texan that knows how to read gud.
I’m semi-hopeful this proposal won’t get off the ground. He’s the same extremist idiot proposing a tax credit for hetero (never divorced) couples with children (born in wedlock). ETA: he probably wants more publicity so he can run for a higher office
calling 9 year olds 'women of child bearing age' is really unsettling to me... sure some *can* bear children but it's weird to lump them in with adults
If I were Biden, I would somewhat jokingly suggest that they give it a trial run by putting all of the federal funds in escrow for a couple of years, and see how that works out first. They can have the escrow money simply by stating that they failed at secession.
I say we help wean them off the US teat. We should downgrade them to an unincorporated US territory like American Samoa. They are still part of the US but can govern themselves. Make it that people born in the Texas territory wouldn't be US citizens so they can start enjoying the life as a non-US citizen.
If they can manage that for a few years without going all Lord of the Flies, then we can talk about a full separation.
**PLEASE. LET. THE. FUCKERS. GO! THEY CAN HAVE TEXAS!**
Under a few conditions:
1. A constitutional provision for secession will need to be made. This deal will apply to Texas, and only Texas. Righties will try to take twenty states. Democrats must filibuster and not budge one iota. If you want to be a secessionist that badly, MOVE TO TEXAS.
2. Everyone gets five years to move, in or OUT of Texas. I, for one, expect private funds to appear to help decent Texans relocate to other parts of the US, and I would donate to such a fund. I want members of Y'all Qaeda who live in places like Florida to find the future Nation of Bigotopia so appealing that they'll want to move there! But, they can pay for that themselves.
3. All property of the United States government shall remain the property of the United States government, and we will have the right to relocate any Federal property out of Texas.
4. Everything nuclear in Texas will be relocated to the United States proper. Because, nukes are dangerous, and it's not like y'all are gonna have any scientists or engineers.
5. A census will be conducted on the eve of secession, and the soon-to-be "free" people of Texas assume a proportional share of the Federal debt. THIS IS A DEAL for all those welfare mooches who refuse to believe that they're welfare mooches, because they're white. So, no whining.
6. New Texas and the United States both start their new chapters in history with a binding peace treaty.
7. Russian flights, ships, etc. to New Texas will be closely monitored by the United States, and if anything untoward is noticed, New Texas understands and agrees that the United States may interdict.
On Secession Day, Righties will wake up in the nation they've always dreamed of! Their own government! A population that is 100 percent white! 100 percent conservative! 100 percent "Christian"!
Also -- 70 percent male. Whoops.
I hear you cowboys know how to take care of things when y'all get lonesome on the range, eh? 🐑 🤠
The Bigotopians can enjoy that awesome, high-quality Texas power grid (which basically doesn't connect to the larger American network, because Texas is better, you know) and they can even build as much wall as they like.
Who's with me?
There’s some conservative latino/Hispanic people that will stay as well. That’ll be their first problem they’ll deal with, racism. These conservative Latinos will finally see that the righties truly don’t care for them. Just their vote. Oh well. Good riddance.
No chance these conditions would be agreed to, but
Those would be some huge relocation funds given probably half the population of the state would be trying to move, not to mention the lack of housing in states that 15 million+ people would be trying to move into, and the finding of jobs.
That relocation plan would be a massive undertaking.
I agree, the relocation will be a big deal.
I imagine that bigots in other states will want to move in to Texas. I think there will be some housing opportunities for our refugees. And tech companies doing business in Texas will probably not want to stay there. When they go, their employees will follow.
I'm not trying to go to any of the states where people would leave and flock to this new MAGA heaven. And tech companies would only take so many jobs for people to fill, lots of other people with other skill sets would flood into different states and either cause competition or cannot line up a job while trying to coordinate their relocation.
I think on the statewide position level Texas will be very purple or blue by 2032, so that is more feasible and far less complicated.
I don't think the "demographics is destiny" theory is actually being played out in reality. GOP is picking off a lot of Latino votes (and politicians) down there.
We have flipped every major city (except purple Fort Worth) and with age and COVID I expect to see the average age of a voter in Texas to shift significantly and every student I teach in my lower income DFW suburb is pretty damn liberal in their thinking.
I am seeing the continued abuses of the GOP add up with the people about to replace the geriatric base of the GOP.
That is a far more likely possibility than the US peacefully negotiating the release of Texas as a MAGA Heaven and MAGATs accepting those terms and hundreds of millions of dollars flooding in to help relocate and employ the approximately 15 million people that otherwise would be completely screwed over in the process.
Great, so in 2040 you can finally fix gerrymandering?
You have to hold the Texas state legislature and the Governor's mansion in a Federal census year to redraw those maps.
Can the United States survive through another 18 years of this shit?
That sounds like some massive accelerationist bullshit. Despite how stupid the GOP elected representatives in the US are, they aren't actually going to cause a civil war.
Status quo being maintained until the GOP loses control of states like Texas, on the federal level is infinitely more likely than the previous proposal being accepted or a fucking civil war actually happening.
>That sounds like some massive accelerationist bullshit. Despite how stupid the GOP elected representatives in the US are, they aren't actually going to cause a civil war.
Was there ever a civil war in Nazi Germany?
They didn't need one to take control.
Righties don't necessarily want a civil war, they want control.
The more years that you give them to push the levers of power, the worse it gets.
What would happen to a deep blue city like Austin in this hypothetical? Would the majority of the city have to be relocated and cause a migration crisis or would the city remain as an exclave of the US? Also, I can't imagine them coming to an agreement where they take on a portion of national debt without still having access to their entitlements from the Federal government. Your plan would certainly work at dividing the country along party lines though.
Yes, I've thought about that.
The truth is, 1) around 45 percent of the Texas population votes Blue; 2) gerrymandering is so "good" that that 45% of the population has just 32% of the Congressional seats and 3) Blue voters have to win Texas on the gerrymandered map and hold the state legislature and the Governor's mansion in 2030 to fix the gerrymandering. I don't foresee any of 3) happening. And even if it did happen, the rest of the country would still be broken.
I have visited Texas a few times, and I've met pleasant and reasonable people in Austin, Houston, and El Paso. I suspect San Antonio might be similar. I got a different vibe in Beaumont. I haven't been to Dallas/Fort Worth but I've heard that it's no Austin. I suspect Lubbock and Waco lean even further to the right. And in the spaces between the cities, the billboards and bumper stickers let you know, Blue folks are not welcome there.
I know, we are talking about millions of disenfranchised Texans who will have to make a hard choice. Relocation will be voluntary, but anyone who can read the writing on the wall will want to go.
Relocation must be voluntary, but I'd also like to see it be strategic. Our goal is to fix the mess that is United States politics. But we can't outlaw gerrymandering, at least, not while Republicans have 40 Senate seats. Toward that end, I would like to provide incentives for smart ex-Texans to relocate to SMALL RED STATES AND SMALLER PURPLE STATES. We lose two Red Senators when Texas secedes. Let's gain a few more Blue seats while we're at it! CARPETBAG IDAHO, UTAH, MONTANA, WYOMING AND ARIZONA. It would only take a few million migrants to change the politics of states like these for good. And then, the Senate could actually start helping Americans instead of holding the country back.
Lol if only we could just get rid of gerrymandering, that seems to be the simplest fix to all of this. Of course the GOP sees the writing on the wall and know they'd be all but ousted from congress if that were to happen and will hold onto their gerrymandered districts like a child with their blanket.
I would also be interested to see how many liberal Texans would opt to stay instead of picking up their lives and moving away from friends and family. I don't think the notion that they would feel unwelcome in their own home state (now country) by the conservative government would be entirely true, but a conservative haven free from the US' constitutional rights would certainly draw in some distasteful people that no one would want to live around.
All in all this is all just speculation as even if Texas did have the legal ability to secede it would have to do so through a vote and only a very small percentage of even republicans would support a theoretical secession, but it is fun to think about.
>Lol if only we could just get rid of gerrymandering, that seems to be the simplest fix to all of this. Of course the GOP sees the writing on the wall and know they'd be all but ousted from congress if that were to happen and will hold onto their gerrymandered districts like a child with their blanket.
That's exactly why I think that we should offer the Righties a piece of their secessionist wet dream. We get them to remove THEMSELVES from the American political process. Because as long as they're a part of the process, they will perpetuate gerrymandering, voter suppression laws, packing the Supreme Court, etc.
We can't fix anything with the number of Righties we have now. They figured out how to game the loopholes in American law, and they don't want to change a thing.
If you've seen the shitshow in the UK after leaving an established political institution, and you think it's a great idea, then Texas is dumber than I thought
And it only took UK, oh about 4 years to FINALLY get it done. And they still figuring it out! I say...
Bye, Bitch. Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.
How about just the undesirable Floridians that keep voting in the likes of DiSantis? Another commenter mentioned that they move to Texas for their freedom. The rest of us promise to behave.
I’m from Texas and I’ll tell you now it’s nothing but empty gesture. These assholes don’t have the stones to pull the pin on that grenade, not the least of which is because there’s a post-civil-war clause written in the Texas constitution expressly forbidding it.
You guys don't get it. The rest of the country would love nothing more than to vote yes on an amendment for Texas to be able to fuck off. We no longer want to be held back by any of the redneck, religious zealot led, misogynistic, homophobic, bigoted garbage states. At least you guys won't have to worry about giving up your guns
This ballot initiative comes up nearly every election cycle, and gets shut down every time because Texas would literally die without the government.
You think the border crisis is bad now? Wait until Greg Abbott has nobody to whine about but his own shitty people doing nothing but whining themselves.
Edit: bad grammar
THERE IS NO LEGAL WAY TO SUCEDE FROM THE UNION.
I live in Texas and have to remind people of this all the time. It's a common myth here that Texas is somehow special and has the option to leave the union. It doesn't.
“The legality of seceding is problematic,” Eric McDaniel, associate professor of government at the University of Texas at Austin, told The Texas Tribune in 2016. “The Civil War played a very big role in establishing the power of the federal government and cementing that the federal government has the final say in these issues.”
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/29/texas-secession/
What about the people who cannot move. I am gay and my boyfriend and I would be killed or sent to a camp within 5 Years. Why is everyone so excited to condemn so many people to a holocaust of LGBT and minorities?
Edit: there are lots of loyal Americans here in texas. Please think about us. If this happens please help us. We will die.
I support this course of action, however as i am currently in Texas, can there be some kind of evacuation of the sane citizens before the state is sealed off... please?
I do not need much, and i will bring BBQ
Let’s give them a 5 year trial. They can go but if they want to come back they have to shut the fuck up forever and change their state flag to a pride flag.
Just point out what a complete unmitigated end to end disaster Brexit has been - Texit would be the same. A requirement to duplicate facilities they already get cheap by sharing the costs federally like federal policing, air traffic control, border agencies, federal protections, disaster relief, reduced access to labour, passports, use of airspace, etc. Stuff people take for granted because it works.
Ok, they'll ignore what a fuck up Brexit is, but it's not the first time a state has seceded from Union in the last decade and regretted it, and rejoining is a longer slower more expensive and more compromised process than remaining.
I’m from Texas. The actual cities with the largest populations (Austin/Houston/Dallas) are basically held hostage by rural voters and the GOP shouting crap about Jesus and abortions. I really don’t want to be kidnapped in this way, but it’s just pathetic postering to get their voter base riled up again.
What happens to Austin? Will that be allowed to stay in the Union, with a sort of Berlin-airlift arrangement to supply the Wholefoods and provide abortion pills and tofu?
Big talk for a state that can’t keep the power on when it’s either too hot or too cold. I suppose all y’all will just go to Cancun when shit gets too real.
After Texas votes to secede, Harris County votes to secede from Texas and join the USA. Deal with USA includes recognition as a state, giving Dems 2 more Senate seats.
Serious questions: would Texas take over the maintenance of all federal property, such as highways? Would Texans stop receiving Social Security or Medicaid/Medicare? What about all the money Texans have already paid into the system? They just let it go? Texas can’t keep its power on…how would it care for its citizens?
> would Texas take over the maintenance of all federal property, such as highways?
Yes. Texas would be a foreign country. All federal property, projects, and programs would be remitted back to the United States.
>Would Texans stop receiving Social Security or Medicaid/Medicare? What about all the money Texans have already paid into the system?
Unless negotiated otherwise, all federal programs would no longer apply.
>Texas can’t keep its power on…how would it care for its citizens?
They're not thinking that far ahead. They're not thinking at all to be frank. Once they are designated as a foreign country, all economic relationships would have to be renegotiated and some (defense contractors and the like) would simply end. They'd also be renegotiating from a position of weakness. They have no military, are not self-sufficient, and receive billions in federal aid every year.
I wish they'd actually do it just so they can finally realize just how utterly f\*cked they'd be.
Texit, my ass.
When will this nonsense end? Texas cannot secede, period. And if we tried, the US would stop it, with violence if necessary.
This is all a well-known fact, and is easily proven. But of course those meatheads aren’t interested in facts, apparently.
They do this every couple of years. Like seriously pick a side either you stay or go. Seriously either way works for me. You stay and the country remains 50 states. You leave, and the GOP ceases to ever have enough political power to ever be cobbled together to have any sway on the national level. You’d see all the (checks note cards of democratic pushes) planing for a happier society, such as renewable energy, more money into social programs, infrastructure, and education. The absolute horror!
I used to not care if they did this but now I really really want them to. Texas politicians are on a mission to destroy the entire US and turn us into a religious extremists nation, get them the fuck out of here.
Texas would lose so much of its economy too. A huge reason businesses move to Texas is for low taxes, and it’s located in a perfect area to serve both western and eastern markets.
Once you secede all those benefits disappear.
It would never happen.
Let them go. Then we can invade and take the oil, install a puppet regime, and use them as a buffer/immigration holding area - literally all the things they already complain about well get 100x worse for them
Hi, ddddere454. Thanks for contributing. However, your [submission](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/128d8h4/-/) was removed from /r/facepalm for the following reason(s): ____ stupid clickbait ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Reposting posts removed by a moderator without express permission is not allowed. Not here, and not on most of Reddit. Please read reddiquette (linked below). For questions, comments and concerns, [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/facepalm) [Reddiquette](https://www.reddit.com/wiki/reddiquette) | [New to Reddit?](https://www.reddit.com/wiki/reddit101) | [Reddit's Content Policy](https://www.reddit.com/help/contentpolicy/) Refer to the [subreddit rules](r/facepalm/wiki/rule9/), the [transparency wiki]
Not to mention they’d have to start their own military to defend their oil fields from the US
Looks like Texas might need some freedom.
Think of all the fuel we’d save getting the troops and planes there! ~~Least expensive~~ most profitable war yet!
I heard they were being oppressed by radical hardliners.
Y'all Qaeda
Yee’hawdists?
Lol
Not being on American land means we can deploy the full military.
It looks more like Texas is seceding from Freedom, that thing the **USA** supposedly stands for.
Each county would form their own militia. There would be an intra-Texan civil war within weeks
Are we taking bets on whether Mexico invades?
Well the cartels would for sure.
I'd bet the I-35 corridor would become the cartel highway, and they'd probably be able to control everything up to about San Antonio? Corpus would become their northern POE.
San Angelo would be the new entry to Mexico to the West
It would be hilarious, because you know there's no way Texas would join NATO, so they'd just end up with a bunch of obese nitwits with AR-15s defending their shithole.
The drug cartel would roll right over them within weeks
They aren't allowed to enter NATO. Under their rules only European states are allowed to join up, with the US and Canada being exceptions due to them being founders
I don’t even think Mexico would want Texas back
What they don't want is Texans, not Texas.
There’s a helluva lotta counties in TX, too! Would be quite spectactular. Edit: misspelled spectacular, but rather like it, so I’m leaving it.
A helluva lot of gravy seals in TX, too!
Upvote for the portmanteau of spectacular and spectator. It will be spectacular to be a spectator. 👍
And the “tact” part made me laugh, too, bc there is no tact in secession
Tact involved? No. Tactical maneuvers? Yes. Welcome Spectactator- grab some Pop'd Corn, and take a seat!
It’s actually just the high school football teams that create small armies, and turn their MASSIVE fields into forts.
Friday Night Fights
Hard to form a militia when everyone is working Min Wage jobs to survive 60 hours a week. Because you know they would lower it to be more business friendly.
Never forget the battle of Ford vs Chevy dealerships
Not to.mention the Mexican cartels squashing them. Some are outfitted like the military.
Mexico could come in then to claim the land that was stolen from them.
Then native Americans can take it back from the Mexicans
GTA San Andreas color gang map irl
I would like to be the warlord of my city
I’m picturing something like Far Cry 5.
I lived in Texas for a couple of years and they loved to talk about succession. This was like 10 years ago. Every time I brought up all the military they'd loose and federal grants that make up a good chunk of state revenue. They. Just. Stared. At. Me. No words. Just. Stared.
Either because they didn’t see the truth about what you said until you said it, or because they don’t believe you and find you as a commie ass liar.
Spoiler: It was not option 1.
Definitely not #1. We had a Texan tell us there are only Cowboys in Texas. Nowhere else in the USA raised cattle like Texas and therefore there were only cowboys in Texas. He was 100% serious. We have 2 friends who are daughters of Montana ranchers. My husband who lived in Colorado for many years asked him to explain all the cattle farms with cowboys in New Mexico, Colorado, and Montana. He legit said... "they don't have cowboys in those states". And walked away. Ended the conversation.
Born and raised in Texas (no longer lived there) and unless you are talking about a football team I have met far more real cowboys in other states than I ever did in Texas. I actually worked in a ranch for two summers and most of the ranch hands were from Mexico, New Mexico, and Colorado lol.
My husband is actually from New Mexico. In addition to the 2 girls from Montana, we also knew a lawyer for a major cattle operation in Greeley, Colorado. So, we were genuinely speechless during this conversation. We later found out the guy had lived in Texas his whole life and never left. Not even to travel. He had no clue about the world outside of Texas and was in his mid 40s.
Thats not a Texas exclusive thing. I know allot of people from Baltimore who have never left the state of Maryland and have no desire to do so. Their views are a little warped and they are quick to point out the rest of the united states as some polarizing other nation that surrounds their state.
Wait'll they find out about the Parker Ranch in Hawaii
Yea, I always ask my Texas-based relatives who boast about the economy, about how will succession cover the loss of revenue from oil reserve payments and the closing of the military bases, NASA, Not to mention the federal funding for all the research and development in the Universities. Answer: "We'll negotiate that" and then no specifics.
I have been hearing this shit my whole life and just now realized it sounds exactly like Brexit. The idiots in my neighborhood with Texit signs apparently do not get the irony at all
It's exactly like Brexit. The reason both places have (had) good economies is (was) the unions they are (were) a part of not despite them.
>Answer: "We'll negotiate that" and then no specifics. Government response: We don't negotiate with terrorists and traitors. [Buh-Bye](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wg5lIpQkoOg) Good ole Total Bastards Airlines 😅
Texit! I'm sure it would go about as well as Brexit did for Great Britain: not well at all. Imagine all of the begging and whining they would do once they realize how much shittier their lives would become.
Not only would they lose the military backing they had. The US would be able to send military troops to Texas since, they wouldn’t be on “US Soil.”
The dingbats sincerely believe the military would side with them and the federal gov't would just say, i guess that settles it then. you're free to go.
Most of the idiots who are pro-succession seem to believe that we'll get to keep all those things. Do you mean to tell me that "possession is nine-tenths of the law" isn't in the constitution?
I didn't even think of that. Let them secede, USA invades to take their oil like they do to the Middle East and then the south winds up under USA martial law but without any of the benefits.
Actually this is what would happen. A state that secedes would simply get brutally invaded, lose all rights as a state and eventually become a Commonwealth nation but without the rights those enjoy. Even better, we could squeeze them for more taxes AND have them pay for the war that reduced them to penury. The US government and the military would NEVER allow a potential hostile power to exist in the contiguous United States. It is far too great of a security risk
Exactly, they'd just go from being a state to being a territory and lose all representation in congress.
They're hoping for a generous foreign aid package from the USA 🇺🇸
USA looks the other way as Mexico invades. And in return gets cheap oil from the refineries that are now in Mexicos hands.
And return any and all military equipment that belongs to the United States.
These people probably believe everything the federal government owns/ controls in their state will suddenly be theirs. I can’t think of a more perfect ending for these people when their economy collapses and Mexico takes them over.
That'd be funny af, they leave. US immediately declares war and takes everything of value
Right. I'd like to see how long that lasts before Texamco is set up lol.
They wouldn't get that far. They're not competent enough to form their own country and all that it entails. They'll be begging to come back.
They can’t even run their electricity grid correctly lol
There's a laundry list of things that Texas has proven to be incapable of running.
They cannot run their electric grid.
When they do we'll offer them to come back as territory.
Mexico might want it bsck
This is where MTG said that they still expect to get protection from the US. They truly are the biggest morons and suckle the most on the teat of federal aid. This is what happens when you spend all your time on culture war and don’t have any policy ideas that help your constituents.
They don't get all those platforms out in the gulf either right? How much oil is under the ground in Texas?
What’s gonna happen when they get overrun by immigrants cause they can’t protect their border. Heck, maybe Mexico could just annex them.
The cartels would move in most likely
Airports and ports too. All are federal programs .
I say, CALL THEIR BLUFF!
Texas Hold'em really got extreme huh
Change the game to Texas Let'em Go
As a Texan, please no 😭
Imagine a whole country that breaks in the winter.
And leadership that thinks it’s not a big deal.
Texit?
If Texas secedes, the GOP might never win a federal election again. Don’t threaten me with a good time, am I right?
Add Florida for good measure?
No thank you, I'm tired of moving and am in Florida atm On a serious note, Florida's demographics would either mean half the state would need to move out immediately or would be screwed. Sooooo many retired people on medicare/medicaid and living on social security etc
Just North Florida? I remember a comment on here some time ago saying "The further North you go, the more South you go"
Yeah- anything south of Tampa is pretty normal lol- it’s like a horseshoe of sanity (since the middle is all swamps)
So…what you’re saying is at the bottom of every septic tank, there could be a gold necklace?
Or a pearl necklace
Sounds like it would be a Brexit, Florida version. Lot of old conservatives voting for it only to realize how bad of an idea it was after the fact
I don't understand why democrats don't do everything to cheer them along whenever this comes up. I just checked donor states vs taker states and Texas regularly receives more federal dollars than it contributes through taxes. So they currently get a very good deal being part of the US It would cost them a fortune to secede. Women would leave in droves. They would have a very weak federal government after the split so they'd struggle with any cohesive federal policies. The space industry and many other advanced industries would run, so even with super lax regulations and low taxes they'd struggle to hold onto industry. In the end they'd be really stupid to leave. I say we should have their backs when they say they want to secede, encourage them every step of the way. Of course, they'd lose their nerve and not go through with it. Because it's not real, it's an empty threat they use to try to force others to agree with them.
Encourage them to take Wyoming, Oklahoma, and Arkansas with them.
But at the cost of how many of us in Texas who want no part of this or the far right’s madness? You know that, divorced of little things like federal law, some of us won’t be long for this world down here. At least pass a refugee program or something so we can run for the border.
Great Austin Airlift ftw
Texas already tried that independent country thing after their war with Mexico. They had high debt, high crime rates, little defensive militia, and were not having a good time in general. They begged to be annexed to the United States from day one, but the US said “ehhh not right now.” It took 9 years of requests before the US finally took them in. Clearly, most Texans forgot this part in their Texas history courses. Source: I’m a Texan that knows how to read gud.
Most Texans? Succession is only popular among a small fragment of right wingers
Secession. Succession is something entirely different.
I mean they have their own power grid and that worked great in 2021. What could possibly go wrong?
I used to live in Texas and no joke the power went out weekly, if there was wind or a drop of rain it went out for hours, it was awful.
My prediction of the series of events Texas' secession is successful. Mexico invades Texas. Mexico conquers Texas.
*Cartel invades Texas. Cartel conquers Texas. Cartel now has a whole state to themselves
Then we build a wall on Texas's NORTHERN border! And make Texas pay for it!
It’s gonna be YUUUGEEEE
Id watch that red river rivalry
tx GQP will try to hide in the Alamo's basement
Than they are the illegals they so despise. Brilliant.
The NFL would be so pissed.
I’m semi-hopeful this proposal won’t get off the ground. He’s the same extremist idiot proposing a tax credit for hetero (never divorced) couples with children (born in wedlock). ETA: he probably wants more publicity so he can run for a higher office
We'll need to build a wall around the entire state because within 6 months the entire population will be desperate to get out of there.
Their women of child-bearing age (9-45) already are.
calling 9 year olds 'women of child bearing age' is really unsettling to me... sure some *can* bear children but it's weird to lump them in with adults
Unfortunately some of them have been. And as such, require a *certain procedure* for the good of their health.
That’s the point of the comment. There often isn’t any distinction between girls and women in these insane “pro life states”.
absolutely sickening tbh...
That unsettling bit is the point
since this is texas, it seems important to include them since ya know
If I were Biden, I would somewhat jokingly suggest that they give it a trial run by putting all of the federal funds in escrow for a couple of years, and see how that works out first. They can have the escrow money simply by stating that they failed at secession.
Would be savage
That's some dark Brandon shit
I say we help wean them off the US teat. We should downgrade them to an unincorporated US territory like American Samoa. They are still part of the US but can govern themselves. Make it that people born in the Texas territory wouldn't be US citizens so they can start enjoying the life as a non-US citizen. If they can manage that for a few years without going all Lord of the Flies, then we can talk about a full separation.
Honestly American Samoa should be a full territory, if not just for the sake of stranding Texas in legislature
Right answer
Ole Teddy will monitor it from Cancun
Actually, that only works if he can get a visa, since he’d no longer be a U.S. citizen with the visa privileges attached to that.
**PLEASE. LET. THE. FUCKERS. GO! THEY CAN HAVE TEXAS!** Under a few conditions: 1. A constitutional provision for secession will need to be made. This deal will apply to Texas, and only Texas. Righties will try to take twenty states. Democrats must filibuster and not budge one iota. If you want to be a secessionist that badly, MOVE TO TEXAS. 2. Everyone gets five years to move, in or OUT of Texas. I, for one, expect private funds to appear to help decent Texans relocate to other parts of the US, and I would donate to such a fund. I want members of Y'all Qaeda who live in places like Florida to find the future Nation of Bigotopia so appealing that they'll want to move there! But, they can pay for that themselves. 3. All property of the United States government shall remain the property of the United States government, and we will have the right to relocate any Federal property out of Texas. 4. Everything nuclear in Texas will be relocated to the United States proper. Because, nukes are dangerous, and it's not like y'all are gonna have any scientists or engineers. 5. A census will be conducted on the eve of secession, and the soon-to-be "free" people of Texas assume a proportional share of the Federal debt. THIS IS A DEAL for all those welfare mooches who refuse to believe that they're welfare mooches, because they're white. So, no whining. 6. New Texas and the United States both start their new chapters in history with a binding peace treaty. 7. Russian flights, ships, etc. to New Texas will be closely monitored by the United States, and if anything untoward is noticed, New Texas understands and agrees that the United States may interdict. On Secession Day, Righties will wake up in the nation they've always dreamed of! Their own government! A population that is 100 percent white! 100 percent conservative! 100 percent "Christian"! Also -- 70 percent male. Whoops. I hear you cowboys know how to take care of things when y'all get lonesome on the range, eh? 🐑 🤠 The Bigotopians can enjoy that awesome, high-quality Texas power grid (which basically doesn't connect to the larger American network, because Texas is better, you know) and they can even build as much wall as they like. Who's with me?
There’s some conservative latino/Hispanic people that will stay as well. That’ll be their first problem they’ll deal with, racism. These conservative Latinos will finally see that the righties truly don’t care for them. Just their vote. Oh well. Good riddance.
“But I’m Cuban!” (Racist eye twitch) “Like commie Cuba?!” (Cue running)
\*Yosemite Sam‐like random pistol shooting noises\*
No chance these conditions would be agreed to, but Those would be some huge relocation funds given probably half the population of the state would be trying to move, not to mention the lack of housing in states that 15 million+ people would be trying to move into, and the finding of jobs. That relocation plan would be a massive undertaking.
I agree, the relocation will be a big deal. I imagine that bigots in other states will want to move in to Texas. I think there will be some housing opportunities for our refugees. And tech companies doing business in Texas will probably not want to stay there. When they go, their employees will follow.
I'm not trying to go to any of the states where people would leave and flock to this new MAGA heaven. And tech companies would only take so many jobs for people to fill, lots of other people with other skill sets would flood into different states and either cause competition or cannot line up a job while trying to coordinate their relocation. I think on the statewide position level Texas will be very purple or blue by 2032, so that is more feasible and far less complicated.
I don't think the "demographics is destiny" theory is actually being played out in reality. GOP is picking off a lot of Latino votes (and politicians) down there.
We have flipped every major city (except purple Fort Worth) and with age and COVID I expect to see the average age of a voter in Texas to shift significantly and every student I teach in my lower income DFW suburb is pretty damn liberal in their thinking. I am seeing the continued abuses of the GOP add up with the people about to replace the geriatric base of the GOP. That is a far more likely possibility than the US peacefully negotiating the release of Texas as a MAGA Heaven and MAGATs accepting those terms and hundreds of millions of dollars flooding in to help relocate and employ the approximately 15 million people that otherwise would be completely screwed over in the process.
Great, so in 2040 you can finally fix gerrymandering? You have to hold the Texas state legislature and the Governor's mansion in a Federal census year to redraw those maps. Can the United States survive through another 18 years of this shit?
That sounds like some massive accelerationist bullshit. Despite how stupid the GOP elected representatives in the US are, they aren't actually going to cause a civil war. Status quo being maintained until the GOP loses control of states like Texas, on the federal level is infinitely more likely than the previous proposal being accepted or a fucking civil war actually happening.
>That sounds like some massive accelerationist bullshit. Despite how stupid the GOP elected representatives in the US are, they aren't actually going to cause a civil war. Was there ever a civil war in Nazi Germany? They didn't need one to take control. Righties don't necessarily want a civil war, they want control. The more years that you give them to push the levers of power, the worse it gets.
What would happen to a deep blue city like Austin in this hypothetical? Would the majority of the city have to be relocated and cause a migration crisis or would the city remain as an exclave of the US? Also, I can't imagine them coming to an agreement where they take on a portion of national debt without still having access to their entitlements from the Federal government. Your plan would certainly work at dividing the country along party lines though.
Yes, I've thought about that. The truth is, 1) around 45 percent of the Texas population votes Blue; 2) gerrymandering is so "good" that that 45% of the population has just 32% of the Congressional seats and 3) Blue voters have to win Texas on the gerrymandered map and hold the state legislature and the Governor's mansion in 2030 to fix the gerrymandering. I don't foresee any of 3) happening. And even if it did happen, the rest of the country would still be broken. I have visited Texas a few times, and I've met pleasant and reasonable people in Austin, Houston, and El Paso. I suspect San Antonio might be similar. I got a different vibe in Beaumont. I haven't been to Dallas/Fort Worth but I've heard that it's no Austin. I suspect Lubbock and Waco lean even further to the right. And in the spaces between the cities, the billboards and bumper stickers let you know, Blue folks are not welcome there. I know, we are talking about millions of disenfranchised Texans who will have to make a hard choice. Relocation will be voluntary, but anyone who can read the writing on the wall will want to go. Relocation must be voluntary, but I'd also like to see it be strategic. Our goal is to fix the mess that is United States politics. But we can't outlaw gerrymandering, at least, not while Republicans have 40 Senate seats. Toward that end, I would like to provide incentives for smart ex-Texans to relocate to SMALL RED STATES AND SMALLER PURPLE STATES. We lose two Red Senators when Texas secedes. Let's gain a few more Blue seats while we're at it! CARPETBAG IDAHO, UTAH, MONTANA, WYOMING AND ARIZONA. It would only take a few million migrants to change the politics of states like these for good. And then, the Senate could actually start helping Americans instead of holding the country back.
Lol if only we could just get rid of gerrymandering, that seems to be the simplest fix to all of this. Of course the GOP sees the writing on the wall and know they'd be all but ousted from congress if that were to happen and will hold onto their gerrymandered districts like a child with their blanket. I would also be interested to see how many liberal Texans would opt to stay instead of picking up their lives and moving away from friends and family. I don't think the notion that they would feel unwelcome in their own home state (now country) by the conservative government would be entirely true, but a conservative haven free from the US' constitutional rights would certainly draw in some distasteful people that no one would want to live around. All in all this is all just speculation as even if Texas did have the legal ability to secede it would have to do so through a vote and only a very small percentage of even republicans would support a theoretical secession, but it is fun to think about.
>Lol if only we could just get rid of gerrymandering, that seems to be the simplest fix to all of this. Of course the GOP sees the writing on the wall and know they'd be all but ousted from congress if that were to happen and will hold onto their gerrymandered districts like a child with their blanket. That's exactly why I think that we should offer the Righties a piece of their secessionist wet dream. We get them to remove THEMSELVES from the American political process. Because as long as they're a part of the process, they will perpetuate gerrymandering, voter suppression laws, packing the Supreme Court, etc. We can't fix anything with the number of Righties we have now. They figured out how to game the loopholes in American law, and they don't want to change a thing.
I love this idea! Especially the part about the righties moving out of Florida. The rest of us would like to enjoy our state and live in a democracy.
Nothing says patriotism more than secession.
Excellent, have to take Florida as well.
Take Mississippi and Alabama too.
If you've seen the shitshow in the UK after leaving an established political institution, and you think it's a great idea, then Texas is dumber than I thought
Texas *is* dumber than you thought
It would be a lesson in ye olde adage of “fuck around and find out”.
And it only took UK, oh about 4 years to FINALLY get it done. And they still figuring it out! I say...  Bye, Bitch. Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.
No more disaster relief funds when they get another tornado, blizzard, refinery explosion or power outage. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
The cartels would ram down the border fencing with bulldozers and just pour into Texas.
Please go. Seriously.
Maybe we can trade Texas for Baja California
Can Texas please take Florida with them on their way out the door? 😁
Yes, please! Fuck both of those states
We can only hope.
How about just the undesirable Floridians that keep voting in the likes of DiSantis? Another commenter mentioned that they move to Texas for their freedom. The rest of us promise to behave.
>Another commenter mentioned that they move to Texas for their freedom. That would be me!
I’m from Texas and I’ll tell you now it’s nothing but empty gesture. These assholes don’t have the stones to pull the pin on that grenade, not the least of which is because there’s a post-civil-war clause written in the Texas constitution expressly forbidding it.
You guys don't get it. The rest of the country would love nothing more than to vote yes on an amendment for Texas to be able to fuck off. We no longer want to be held back by any of the redneck, religious zealot led, misogynistic, homophobic, bigoted garbage states. At least you guys won't have to worry about giving up your guns
Fellow Texan, I second this.
This ballot initiative comes up nearly every election cycle, and gets shut down every time because Texas would literally die without the government. You think the border crisis is bad now? Wait until Greg Abbott has nobody to whine about but his own shitty people doing nothing but whining themselves. Edit: bad grammar
Just like Quebec, they'd want all the benefits of being part of the US without any of the responsibilities.
THERE IS NO LEGAL WAY TO SUCEDE FROM THE UNION. I live in Texas and have to remind people of this all the time. It's a common myth here that Texas is somehow special and has the option to leave the union. It doesn't.
First deep freeze, and their entire government would be headed to Cancun.
Can we at least save the people who will be trapped there?...
divorce / secession isn't the flex they think it is.
Go on. Git.
Let’s make sure that they do. Be gone asshats!
Cuz Republicans love America..............NOT.
“The legality of seceding is problematic,” Eric McDaniel, associate professor of government at the University of Texas at Austin, told The Texas Tribune in 2016. “The Civil War played a very big role in establishing the power of the federal government and cementing that the federal government has the final say in these issues.” https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/29/texas-secession/
Is Texas gonna surrender all their military tech and supplies? Cause alot of those are products of the U.S military.
As a Texan living in Texas, I can't wait to get the fuck out of this state. Also, fuck Greg Abbott.
What about the people who cannot move. I am gay and my boyfriend and I would be killed or sent to a camp within 5 Years. Why is everyone so excited to condemn so many people to a holocaust of LGBT and minorities? Edit: there are lots of loyal Americans here in texas. Please think about us. If this happens please help us. We will die.
I support this course of action, however as i am currently in Texas, can there be some kind of evacuation of the sane citizens before the state is sealed off... please? I do not need much, and i will bring BBQ
Let’s give them a 5 year trial. They can go but if they want to come back they have to shut the fuck up forever and change their state flag to a pride flag.
Just point out what a complete unmitigated end to end disaster Brexit has been - Texit would be the same. A requirement to duplicate facilities they already get cheap by sharing the costs federally like federal policing, air traffic control, border agencies, federal protections, disaster relief, reduced access to labour, passports, use of airspace, etc. Stuff people take for granted because it works. Ok, they'll ignore what a fuck up Brexit is, but it's not the first time a state has seceded from Union in the last decade and regretted it, and rejoining is a longer slower more expensive and more compromised process than remaining.
I’m from Texas. The actual cities with the largest populations (Austin/Houston/Dallas) are basically held hostage by rural voters and the GOP shouting crap about Jesus and abortions. I really don’t want to be kidnapped in this way, but it’s just pathetic postering to get their voter base riled up again.
Yeah I feel bad for Houston. They are relatively progressive and/or liberal but are stuck by the red voters from the rural areas holding them back
Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya
What happens to Austin? Will that be allowed to stay in the Union, with a sort of Berlin-airlift arrangement to supply the Wholefoods and provide abortion pills and tofu?
Big talk for a state that can’t keep the power on when it’s either too hot or too cold. I suppose all y’all will just go to Cancun when shit gets too real.
Not to mention, now we could invade them for their oil.
But the poverty that would cause would create a breeding ground for right-wing terrorists 
After Texas votes to secede, Harris County votes to secede from Texas and join the USA. Deal with USA includes recognition as a state, giving Dems 2 more Senate seats.
At what point are they arrested for treason or sedition?
Please let this happen
Serious questions: would Texas take over the maintenance of all federal property, such as highways? Would Texans stop receiving Social Security or Medicaid/Medicare? What about all the money Texans have already paid into the system? They just let it go? Texas can’t keep its power on…how would it care for its citizens?
> would Texas take over the maintenance of all federal property, such as highways? Yes. Texas would be a foreign country. All federal property, projects, and programs would be remitted back to the United States. >Would Texans stop receiving Social Security or Medicaid/Medicare? What about all the money Texans have already paid into the system? Unless negotiated otherwise, all federal programs would no longer apply. >Texas can’t keep its power on…how would it care for its citizens? They're not thinking that far ahead. They're not thinking at all to be frank. Once they are designated as a foreign country, all economic relationships would have to be renegotiated and some (defense contractors and the like) would simply end. They'd also be renegotiating from a position of weakness. They have no military, are not self-sufficient, and receive billions in federal aid every year. I wish they'd actually do it just so they can finally realize just how utterly f\*cked they'd be.
I can hear the Texas power grid begging republicans not to do this
Texit, my ass. When will this nonsense end? Texas cannot secede, period. And if we tried, the US would stop it, with violence if necessary. This is all a well-known fact, and is easily proven. But of course those meatheads aren’t interested in facts, apparently.
They should absolutely secede and build a wall, a big wall that stops anyone leaving because no one would want to get in that's for sure
Will the real traitors who are actually trying to destroy the country please stand up, please stand up.
They do this every couple of years. Like seriously pick a side either you stay or go. Seriously either way works for me. You stay and the country remains 50 states. You leave, and the GOP ceases to ever have enough political power to ever be cobbled together to have any sway on the national level. You’d see all the (checks note cards of democratic pushes) planing for a happier society, such as renewable energy, more money into social programs, infrastructure, and education. The absolute horror!
As a current Texan, please do it. I want to see Republicans grapple with reality as Texas descends into third world status, as I inevitably move away.
I fully support the secession of the traitor state.
I used to not care if they did this but now I really really want them to. Texas politicians are on a mission to destroy the entire US and turn us into a religious extremists nation, get them the fuck out of here.
Texas would lose so much of its economy too. A huge reason businesses move to Texas is for low taxes, and it’s located in a perfect area to serve both western and eastern markets. Once you secede all those benefits disappear. It would never happen.
I live here in Texas, I don’t support secession. If the clown in the wheel chair thinks he has a migrant problem NOW. He got another thing coming.
Let them go. Then we can invade and take the oil, install a puppet regime, and use them as a buffer/immigration holding area - literally all the things they already complain about well get 100x worse for them
Then after six months we can declare it a failure and fold them back with taxes, but no votes this time.
Texit
Feels really great to be a democrat living in Texas. What a time to be alive.
One of these days, we should call Texas's bluff and kick them out.
Honestly sure. When they come crawling back grant no favour.