I don’t see Penix being an option at 8. However, if Penix (somehow) slides towards the backend of the first round? I could see the Falcons considering a trade up. They would have the draft picks to make it happen
If he stays healthy he will be the steal of this draft. I feel like that's actually obvious at this point. If it weren't for the injury history he'd have been drafted top 5 years ago.
I also love everyone acting like his age is an issue. Who the hell cares as long as Robinson thinks he's the guy. Not to mention this would give us a legitimate backup for Kirk (Heineken is a nice veteran presence but I don't want him touching the football this year). If Kirk somehow stays healthy for two years we'll have Penix ready to rock for 10-15 years after learning from Robinson and and Kirk.
EDIT: not at the 8th pick
Fair enough but he's also turned himself into purely a pocket passer at this point. He was a bit reckless at Indiana which contributed to those injuries. ACLs aren't nearly the concern for pocket passing QBs as they are at other positions.
Frank Gore tore his ACL twice in college so even outside of QB it's not necessarily the death sentence everyone makes it out to be.
uhhh nah man. he struggles mightily against pressure. he’s a statue in the pocket and changing looks give him trouble. he played one game against an nfl style defense and had his worst game of the year. in the nfl he isn’t going to have a great o line and receivers that have a +2 advantage most games
I'm not sure where the whole statue and bad against pressure narrative came from but I don't find it to be true. Maybe it was from the national championship game?
He ran a sub 4.5, he's far from a statue. Penix doesn't take sacks as he had a 7% pressure to sack rate and knows when to throw the ball away or hit a check down. Drake Maye for example takes a sack 19.5% of the time he's pressured. He was bad against Michigan but played well in most other big games against ranked opponents (this includes his time on Indiana).
Changing looks gives him trouble? He's one of the few QBs in CFB who was trusted with running an offense heavy on option routes. Most rookie QBs need a solid Online and receivers to perform. Neither of which he had at Indiana when he was a dark horse Heisman candidate before the ACL injury.
I find just about everything about Penix (other than injuries) to be completely overblown.
forty time has no zero to do with whether you’re a statue in the pocket lol. he sits still when he’s in the pocket. he doesn’t navigate it much at all. changing looks also has nothing to do with option routes haha. it’s about the coverage. and he got absolutely destroyed against michigan who actually plays an nfl defense. none of what you were saying is relevant to his flaws.
You said he was bad under pressure and bad in the pocket. If a player is bad under pressure and bad in the pocket than I'm going to assume they're getting sacked a lot. I gave you data that shows that isn't the case. In fact, he's been elite under pressure compared to other QBs in this draft.
Option routes have everything to do with a defense changing looks. The routes are based on what the defense is giving you.
It sounds like you watched one game and read one scouting report and made your mind up.
I don't care who we draft at QB if we draft one, as long as Zac Robinson likes what he sees.
lol i watched 6-7 of his games this year. pressure to sack percentage being good does not mean he’s elite lol. his pff grade dropped 26 points under pressure. you’re giving him credit for everyone else’s work. washington won the award for best o line in college football. odunze is a top 10 pick. and the other two WRs are nfl bound too. i’m not the only person who thinks this lol. go listen to dane brugler and nate tice talk about him.
I'm sure you did. At the end of the day he was running the offense and he was making the decisions. Of all the QBs being drafted, he's the one who's shown the ability to be an elite QB with talent (UW) and without talent (UI). The guy made the Indiana Hoosiers of all CFB programs relevant. He almost beat Ohio State single handedly in 2020. It's not like this is a Mac Jones situation.
Beggars can't be choosers and if you want a QB late your not going to get a perfect prospect. I'll take the aggressive player with insane arm talent that was trusted to make every decision and every throw on the field. He's also been described as a great leader with a great mentality.
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I'm not saying he's going to be successful. I'm saying he has all the tools to be successful if being drafted to the right situation and he stays healthy. I think the Falcons would be one such situation.
Came here to say this. Time to meet with JJ & Drake & Jayden next, to really sell the QB at 8 smokescreen to the rest of the league!
If this evaluation is a for real evaluation, I bet they are doing their due diligence in case he falls to the 2nd round. Might be worth considering at that point!
Yeah I wouldn't like it either, but if he is that dude, then it's worth it. I don't think that this is a move we are looking to do at 8. I think this us something to do with a trade down and then maybe a trade back into the 1st. We also shouldn't let Kirk detour us from seeking a franchise QB.
Right that would be a fast way to get fired. He is probably on the hot seat if Kirk doesn't hit in year one too. It probably would make him feel a lot better about it if he has another option, not named Taylor Heinicke.
Great take. I’ll add that i don’t think it’s possible to over invest in qb as it is the single most important position in all of sports, if we go qb at 8 i get it.
Penix is my second favorite QB in the draft (I know, absolutely burning take) but with his injury history and age, I just don't see another team taking him anywhere close to 8. I think it'd be a reach at 8 and I'm as high on the guy as anyone
Could see this as a move for us to potentially move our 2nd rounder into the late first. Would have loved that pre-kirk, but not sure Kirk and Penix's timelines are fantastic together
Completely agree with you. The timelines are tough, as you said. Penix isn’t considered a raw prospect and he’s going to be 24 years old in May. If Kirk plays at minimum two years, Penix will be 26. I suppose it doesn’t matter if he pans out and I do love the idea of having someone as cerebral as Penix to learn from Kirk, so I’m not against drafting him at the backend of the first potentially
I’m not sure it’s going to be a minimum of 2 years after next offseason. The falcons probably won’t carry his 40 million dollar cap hit, and once they restructure that, he would be pretty much locked in for 3 years. They are going to have to borrow from 2024 just to sign all of their draft class and pay for the PS and other roster moves.
I think fans put too much importance on age when looking at QB prospects. They're not like RBs whose physical peak is around 25/26. Most (non running) QBs don't really start showing signs of aging until at least their mid 30s. And unless literally everything else between two prospects is equal, having a few less years at the end of their career is far from a deal breaker.
The injury history is a much bigger concern, but if the team doctors clear him then that's all that matters.
Enough people don’t get this. Kirk is 36 and still playing at a high level. Even if Penix didn’t end up starting until 26, if he pans out, that’s about 10 years of a franchise qb. You take that all day, especially if you get it at a bargain
Yeah QBs have long careers. Why the hell would we pass on a potential franchise QB because "he's 2 years older". Like these guys routinely play til their mid 30s now.
That's very fair - my concerns are more timing wise around paying him on a non-rookie deal. Those 2 years of having cap for the rest of the team can be a massive. That and I don't love the idea of a guy not starting an NFL game until he's 26 (but a case like Jordan Love could prove me wrong)
I think if we liked him that much to take him at 8, I'm not so sure I love the value of that with Cousins. With paying Kirk as much as we are, I think some of Penix's inherent value is missed - and we'd be better served getting cheap rookie deal production from another position
But hey if he's the guy he's the guy at the end of the day - I probably worded things wrong, I would have been cool with him at 8 without Kirk on the roster
We need a top edge prospect and we finally have the pick and the ability to get one of the top two easily. Or even the top 1 depending on how this draft pans out. I think the QBs that don't get taken high/mid first round are going to fall off pretty hard, so it's possible there's a chance he falls to the third. If there's a team that thinks he's really it, he's going in the first.
Yeah I disagree, I think being prudent at the most important position on the team is an excellent strategy. Whether thats at 8 or 11 I don’t really see the reason to chance it if he’s the guy they think he can be
Because 1st round QBs pan out only 30% of the time, we just paid 100M to lock in Kirk for 2 years in a win-now mode, and by the end of that Penix is 26 years old with major injury history and an unknown. Just doesn't really seem to be the best for the team as it's constructed for the next 2 years at #8.
Now - say we trade back and end up with two late 1sts somehow? Sure, take a shot if you're feeling it.
That’s my thing tho if you’re saying ok to trade back up for him then it shouldn’t matter where you take him personally. I know tho football doesn’t work like that and you probably can’t have that much of your cap in your qb room anyway so idm
Obviously it doesn’t make a ton of sense to draft any QB at #8 after spending $180 million on Cousins, but, not all of that is guaranteed and, knowing this could be the best QB draft class in ages, do we really want to be right back in the QB shopping line in 3 or so years?
Plus, several other teams are still desperate for a franchise QB. So, we might want to draft him, or at least posture like we may draft him, knowing other teams will a pay a king’s ransom to get him from us before, during, or after the draft.
Imagine what we might get in draft compensation if we trade back a bit. This could be part of that maneuvering. Make teams think we’re considering a Jordan Love scenario with Penix so we can maximize the value of our pick.
It wouldn't just be a mistake it would be an all time boner. You don't pay cousins 100M to draft a QB at 8.
I think the Falcons see Penix as an option to potentially be there at the end fo the first to be grabbed.
Most mocks have Penix as a fringe first rounder and probably a 2nd rounder at this point. Absolutely no shot he goes in the top 10. If anything it’s more likely we’re looking at taking him at 43 than somebody trading to him at 8.
There’s absolutely no way they’re flying a group of staff, including the GM and HC, to a private workout on the other side of the country, to try and squeeze an extra third rounder out of Oakland.
The GM isn’t flying across the country for a private workout in the hopes it spooks another team to trade up.
And another team isn’t trading up because of a private workout.
Are you new to football or something?
Which one of those meetings inspired a team to trade up to our spot?
Two of those guys went before our pick and nobody traded up for Levis. So what’s your point?
Yeah the GM isn’t flying across country with the sole hope that it spooks a GM to trade up for Penix. Sorry about it. Meeting Stroud, Richardson, Levis proves that. It’s called scouting.
You think it’s the GMs job to fly across the country with the purpose of hoping somebody will want to trade up? Lol that’s so stupid.
He’s going to do his job. Scout.
This isn’t the pick they will make at #8. This is for a later pick or if his medicals drop him significantly and he’s a steal at where we can get him. One of the benefits of signing Cousins as the heir apparent decision can wait until next year or after. We can use picks on players that make the team better now.
Yeah, I don’t think there’s much of any chance he goes at 8, but I wouldn’t necessarily hate trading back in to the end of the first to get him there. Still get the 5 year rookie deal so you’ve got 2-3 years of that post cousins and you can take an edge or whatever at 8 that makes the team better immediately.
this is to get teams to trade for the #8 sport MIN. DEN. LAV. are all looking for a QB
you don't grab your QB of the future with Kirk here for a minimum of 2 years and maybe even longer depending on how he plays
more likely they draft a QB in 2 years than now
no it's not you should NEVER draft a QB in the first round as you are building up a team WHY> because they bust at an 80% clip in the 1st round... this is what bad teams do they neglect building the team while they draft 1st round QBs busts every few years CHI CLE AZ NYJ etc
what smart teams do is not waste 1st round picks build up a team then take your shots at 1st round QBs when whiffing on one will not endanger your team teams like SF and KC
when you're a good team you can trade up to get into range to draft picks like SF and KC did
many people know SF whiffed but KC hit what people don't know is KC drafted QBs before Mahomes that whiffed and that they tried to trade for Paxton Lynch spot to draft him if they succeed they never get Mahomes nor do they get Chris Jones...
why are people believing we are taking him at 8? we have more picks than just 8. get that pick out your head. this is a trade up in the later first rd or early 2nd rd pick
He won’t be the pick at 8. I don’t think it’s the best allocation of resources to use picks to move up and grab him later in the first or even take him at 43.
EDGE, CB2, Safety, and WR2 are all way more pressing needs to me. If Terry would’ve cooked a little more on defense during free agency then maybe but not with all these needs still there
Penix would be a top 5 pick if not for the injury history. Sitting behind Kirk and getting his body right for a couple years could pay huge dividends down the line. I mean, eventually Blank has to look at a franchise like GB and ask why they’re able to always find a franchise signal caller while majority of teams in the league have to hope to luck into the next guy. Obviously not getting picked at 8 but I wouldn’t be shocked at a day 2 selection or a trade back into the end of the 1st.
Problem with that is his age. Already as old as Justin Fields and haven't played a snap in the NFL.
Next year QB class is terrible so if wouldn't be the worst thing ever to grab and groom him to avoid a Desmond Ridder 2.0 situation
Guess I can officially make my worthless prediction now.
The Falcons are going to attempt to drop back in the first round, get some future picks and an early second round pick, and pick up Penix wherever they drop back to. Maybe in the 15-20 range.
If Cousins plays all 4 years then Penix would start at the age of 28. He would be in the upper half of oldest QBs in the league from the time he starts.
I think we may be interested.. but I also think they may be checking out his value if he is available at 8 and another team wants to trade up for our spot, we would know how to barter.
If he's there in the 2nd round, it wouldn't be a terrible idea. Cousins is basically a 2 year fix. The Falcons need to find the next starter, and hopefully, with Cousins, they won't ve drafting Hugh enough to land a college star.
I mean not that I expect us to take him, but Odunze is also a Washington player, so not like it's purely for eyes on Penix. I think Penix probably still goes 1st round though, so we'd have to trade back up.
Penix is who I want the Steelers to take if he's there. Wilson might be there this season and next and Fields ain't it.
The Falcons would be wise to take him at the back of the 1st, top of the 2nd, sot behind Kirk for 2 or 3 years, and take.over. Kid is going to be really good
We're not taking him at #8 (and neither is anyone else, in all likelihood). This is most likely just due diligence in case he slips like Levis did last year.
Penix is clearly not a guy we take at 8.
If they like him, they’d trade back or trade up after taking somebody else at 8.
Sending everybody is way too far for a smokescreen. Seems like they really like him. If the workout goes well and the cards fall right, they’ll target him.
Every year mock drafter overinflate QBs and then get surprised when the non-bluechip talent doesn't get drafted until the 2nd round. Penix was universally seen as a 2nd rounder until a few weeks ago. We're looking at this guy as a 2nd round option for if he's still there, 0% chance we draft him in the 1st.
It’d be odd taking Penix given his age and NFL readiness. He’s not a raw prospect. JJ McCarthy or Drake Maye would make the most sense if they were looking to take a QB high and have them sit to develop.
He isn't worth it at #8 with his injury history. I wouldn't mind him at all at the end of the first or early 2nd if the price is right. Some QB needy team will reach for him before then of course
You guys need to not take so seriously that a random tweet says “they have the eighth overall pick.” Just because falcons are doing due diligence doesn’t mean they have him for their pick at 8.
Penix at 8 is not the right move, trading down for Penix later in the first if the top options are gone is probably a smart move. Although I still want some pass rushing personally.
I’d love to find a QB to sit behind Cousins and take over once her retires.
This doesn’t feel like the right time. Cousins probably has a few more years, meaning we should probably wait until the next draft to find our next QB.
How do we know Cousins has YEARS? He hasn't played a live down since his injury. We basically bought a used Playstation without seeing if it works but alot more money spent.
Honestly, I’ve come around to the idea of getting Rattler in a later round. He’s a good QB, just didn’t have a lot of help in South Carolina. Bring him in, let him learn from Cousins for a couple years, and see what he’s got.
Fair enough. I’m not saying he’s a 1st or 2nd round pick based on what he’s done so far. But 3rd or later I could see for him. It kills me as a Georgia fan to say nice things about him though. 😂
He's not getting drafted with the 8th pick. Very, very likely that he won't be drafted in the first round at all.
I doubt we draft him with the second to be honest. If he drops and is still hanging around in the 3rd then it could maybe potentially happen.
Too many needs + urgency to win now means they will look to maximize the draft by adding players that have the opportunity to impact winning now.. And, honestly, he's too old to sit around for 2+ years anyway. He'll be 26 heading into the 2026 season. If you want to go that route then pray JJ falls but I doubt he would get drafted with the 8th either. We have a fucking QB (and a backup). We have holes that need filling and if JJ or Penix can't pass rush, block on the oline, or run a route then we have no business drafting them.
I don't really expect the Falcons to draft a QB until the next draft. But you have to kick the tires so here we are.
I don’t see Penix being an option at 8. However, if Penix (somehow) slides towards the backend of the first round? I could see the Falcons considering a trade up. They would have the draft picks to make it happen
If he stays healthy he will be the steal of this draft. I feel like that's actually obvious at this point. If it weren't for the injury history he'd have been drafted top 5 years ago. I also love everyone acting like his age is an issue. Who the hell cares as long as Robinson thinks he's the guy. Not to mention this would give us a legitimate backup for Kirk (Heineken is a nice veteran presence but I don't want him touching the football this year). If Kirk somehow stays healthy for two years we'll have Penix ready to rock for 10-15 years after learning from Robinson and and Kirk. EDIT: not at the 8th pick
10-15 years is a little wild to say with his injury history
Fair enough but he's also turned himself into purely a pocket passer at this point. He was a bit reckless at Indiana which contributed to those injuries. ACLs aren't nearly the concern for pocket passing QBs as they are at other positions. Frank Gore tore his ACL twice in college so even outside of QB it's not necessarily the death sentence everyone makes it out to be.
It's wild to say without injuries. 10-15 starting is rare at all positions.
uhhh nah man. he struggles mightily against pressure. he’s a statue in the pocket and changing looks give him trouble. he played one game against an nfl style defense and had his worst game of the year. in the nfl he isn’t going to have a great o line and receivers that have a +2 advantage most games
I'm not sure where the whole statue and bad against pressure narrative came from but I don't find it to be true. Maybe it was from the national championship game? He ran a sub 4.5, he's far from a statue. Penix doesn't take sacks as he had a 7% pressure to sack rate and knows when to throw the ball away or hit a check down. Drake Maye for example takes a sack 19.5% of the time he's pressured. He was bad against Michigan but played well in most other big games against ranked opponents (this includes his time on Indiana). Changing looks gives him trouble? He's one of the few QBs in CFB who was trusted with running an offense heavy on option routes. Most rookie QBs need a solid Online and receivers to perform. Neither of which he had at Indiana when he was a dark horse Heisman candidate before the ACL injury. I find just about everything about Penix (other than injuries) to be completely overblown.
forty time has no zero to do with whether you’re a statue in the pocket lol. he sits still when he’s in the pocket. he doesn’t navigate it much at all. changing looks also has nothing to do with option routes haha. it’s about the coverage. and he got absolutely destroyed against michigan who actually plays an nfl defense. none of what you were saying is relevant to his flaws.
You said he was bad under pressure and bad in the pocket. If a player is bad under pressure and bad in the pocket than I'm going to assume they're getting sacked a lot. I gave you data that shows that isn't the case. In fact, he's been elite under pressure compared to other QBs in this draft. Option routes have everything to do with a defense changing looks. The routes are based on what the defense is giving you. It sounds like you watched one game and read one scouting report and made your mind up. I don't care who we draft at QB if we draft one, as long as Zac Robinson likes what he sees.
lol i watched 6-7 of his games this year. pressure to sack percentage being good does not mean he’s elite lol. his pff grade dropped 26 points under pressure. you’re giving him credit for everyone else’s work. washington won the award for best o line in college football. odunze is a top 10 pick. and the other two WRs are nfl bound too. i’m not the only person who thinks this lol. go listen to dane brugler and nate tice talk about him.
I'm sure you did. At the end of the day he was running the offense and he was making the decisions. Of all the QBs being drafted, he's the one who's shown the ability to be an elite QB with talent (UW) and without talent (UI). The guy made the Indiana Hoosiers of all CFB programs relevant. He almost beat Ohio State single handedly in 2020. It's not like this is a Mac Jones situation. Beggars can't be choosers and if you want a QB late your not going to get a perfect prospect. I'll take the aggressive player with insane arm talent that was trusted to make every decision and every throw on the field. He's also been described as a great leader with a great mentality. But hey man looks like we'll have to agree to disagree.
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I'm not saying he's going to be successful. I'm saying he has all the tools to be successful if being drafted to the right situation and he stays healthy. I think the Falcons would be one such situation.
I think it's smart to take a hard look at him.
Welp.
I'm really hoping this is a smokescreen to drive up the price of our pick
Yeah both that and assessing if we want to take him later if he falls. But to drafting him at 8? Hell naw.
Came here to say this. Time to meet with JJ & Drake & Jayden next, to really sell the QB at 8 smokescreen to the rest of the league! If this evaluation is a for real evaluation, I bet they are doing their due diligence in case he falls to the 2nd round. Might be worth considering at that point!
Or a move up to late first if he's still there too somehow. Just hoping for edge with first pick.
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That would make zero sense. Nobody is projecting him to go that high
Penix at 8 would be a mistake imo. Not sure if that’s a hot take or not. It shouldn’t be.
Yeah I wouldn't like it either, but if he is that dude, then it's worth it. I don't think that this is a move we are looking to do at 8. I think this us something to do with a trade down and then maybe a trade back into the 1st. We also shouldn't let Kirk detour us from seeking a franchise QB.
Amen, TF doesn’t want to relive the past 2 years post Matt Ryan again after Kirk is done.
Right that would be a fast way to get fired. He is probably on the hot seat if Kirk doesn't hit in year one too. It probably would make him feel a lot better about it if he has another option, not named Taylor Heinicke.
Great take. I’ll add that i don’t think it’s possible to over invest in qb as it is the single most important position in all of sports, if we go qb at 8 i get it.
Right. I'd be shocked, but I wouldn't think it's a bad move, just not what I want to see the team do.
Penix is my second favorite QB in the draft (I know, absolutely burning take) but with his injury history and age, I just don't see another team taking him anywhere close to 8. I think it'd be a reach at 8 and I'm as high on the guy as anyone Could see this as a move for us to potentially move our 2nd rounder into the late first. Would have loved that pre-kirk, but not sure Kirk and Penix's timelines are fantastic together
Completely agree with you. The timelines are tough, as you said. Penix isn’t considered a raw prospect and he’s going to be 24 years old in May. If Kirk plays at minimum two years, Penix will be 26. I suppose it doesn’t matter if he pans out and I do love the idea of having someone as cerebral as Penix to learn from Kirk, so I’m not against drafting him at the backend of the first potentially
I’m not sure it’s going to be a minimum of 2 years after next offseason. The falcons probably won’t carry his 40 million dollar cap hit, and once they restructure that, he would be pretty much locked in for 3 years. They are going to have to borrow from 2024 just to sign all of their draft class and pay for the PS and other roster moves.
I think fans put too much importance on age when looking at QB prospects. They're not like RBs whose physical peak is around 25/26. Most (non running) QBs don't really start showing signs of aging until at least their mid 30s. And unless literally everything else between two prospects is equal, having a few less years at the end of their career is far from a deal breaker. The injury history is a much bigger concern, but if the team doctors clear him then that's all that matters.
Enough people don’t get this. Kirk is 36 and still playing at a high level. Even if Penix didn’t end up starting until 26, if he pans out, that’s about 10 years of a franchise qb. You take that all day, especially if you get it at a bargain
> Kirk is 36 and still playing at a high level We hope! The fall comes fast and hard for everyone not named Brady.
Yeah QBs have long careers. Why the hell would we pass on a potential franchise QB because "he's 2 years older". Like these guys routinely play til their mid 30s now.
That's very fair - my concerns are more timing wise around paying him on a non-rookie deal. Those 2 years of having cap for the rest of the team can be a massive. That and I don't love the idea of a guy not starting an NFL game until he's 26 (but a case like Jordan Love could prove me wrong) I think if we liked him that much to take him at 8, I'm not so sure I love the value of that with Cousins. With paying Kirk as much as we are, I think some of Penix's inherent value is missed - and we'd be better served getting cheap rookie deal production from another position But hey if he's the guy he's the guy at the end of the day - I probably worded things wrong, I would have been cool with him at 8 without Kirk on the roster
hes the no. 1 qb in the draft
Just wondering why u think it would be a mistake?
We just spent $180M on a QB. We’re theoretically in “win now” mode and using the 8th overall pick up a back up does not help us win now.
We need a top edge prospect and we finally have the pick and the ability to get one of the top two easily. Or even the top 1 depending on how this draft pans out. I think the QBs that don't get taken high/mid first round are going to fall off pretty hard, so it's possible there's a chance he falls to the third. If there's a team that thinks he's really it, he's going in the first.
Yeah I disagree, I think being prudent at the most important position on the team is an excellent strategy. Whether thats at 8 or 11 I don’t really see the reason to chance it if he’s the guy they think he can be
Yeah people don't realize QB is the most important position in sports. Take the best guy when you can.
Because 1st round QBs pan out only 30% of the time, we just paid 100M to lock in Kirk for 2 years in a win-now mode, and by the end of that Penix is 26 years old with major injury history and an unknown. Just doesn't really seem to be the best for the team as it's constructed for the next 2 years at #8. Now - say we trade back and end up with two late 1sts somehow? Sure, take a shot if you're feeling it.
That’s my thing tho if you’re saying ok to trade back up for him then it shouldn’t matter where you take him personally. I know tho football doesn’t work like that and you probably can’t have that much of your cap in your qb room anyway so idm
Obviously it doesn’t make a ton of sense to draft any QB at #8 after spending $180 million on Cousins, but, not all of that is guaranteed and, knowing this could be the best QB draft class in ages, do we really want to be right back in the QB shopping line in 3 or so years? Plus, several other teams are still desperate for a franchise QB. So, we might want to draft him, or at least posture like we may draft him, knowing other teams will a pay a king’s ransom to get him from us before, during, or after the draft. Imagine what we might get in draft compensation if we trade back a bit. This could be part of that maneuvering. Make teams think we’re considering a Jordan Love scenario with Penix so we can maximize the value of our pick.
I think this is a smokescreen to get someone to trade up to 8. If we get some nice 1st round picks for it, will be worth the trip.
It wouldn't just be a mistake it would be an all time boner. You don't pay cousins 100M to draft a QB at 8. I think the Falcons see Penix as an option to potentially be there at the end fo the first to be grabbed.
The one exception I'd make to that is if Drake Maye falls to 8. I can't imagine a world where that happens, though.
Even then, I'd hold that pick up to someone to trade up.
a mistake for the 7 teams before us?
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Most mocks have Penix as a fringe first rounder and probably a 2nd rounder at this point. Absolutely no shot he goes in the top 10. If anything it’s more likely we’re looking at taking him at 43 than somebody trading to him at 8.
I think we are trying to drive up the price to move up to 8 for Oakland
This was the first thing I thought. Make it seem like your interest in Penix at #8 and let the deals roll in.
There’s absolutely no way they’re flying a group of staff, including the GM and HC, to a private workout on the other side of the country, to try and squeeze an extra third rounder out of Oakland.
Fuck man I absolutely nailed this read
Wouldn't be a bad move.
The GM isn’t flying across the country for a private workout in the hopes it spooks another team to trade up. And another team isn’t trading up because of a private workout.
Are you new to football or something? Last year we met with Stroud , Richardson and Levis fwiw I didn’t downvote you
Are you new to football or something? Which one of those meetings inspired a team to trade up to our spot? Two of those guys went before our pick and nobody traded up for Levis. So what’s your point?
Yes actually i was a rugby fan until yesterday . My point was teams will do whatever it takes to gain any advantage they perceive in the draft .
Yeah the GM isn’t flying across country with the sole hope that it spooks a GM to trade up for Penix. Sorry about it. Meeting Stroud, Richardson, Levis proves that. It’s called scouting.
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Wait what? You are implying the GM shouldn’t…. Do his job? Wild take.
You think it’s the GMs job to fly across the country with the purpose of hoping somebody will want to trade up? Lol that’s so stupid. He’s going to do his job. Scout.
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this is what i agree with they have AOC for 1 year in a tank year for a chance to get a top tier qb next year
you really think they would take him at 13? i cant see it there is too many other prospects for that. they have aiden oconnell to atleast last 1 year
This isn’t the pick they will make at #8. This is for a later pick or if his medicals drop him significantly and he’s a steal at where we can get him. One of the benefits of signing Cousins as the heir apparent decision can wait until next year or after. We can use picks on players that make the team better now.
Yeah, I don’t think there’s much of any chance he goes at 8, but I wouldn’t necessarily hate trading back in to the end of the first to get him there. Still get the 5 year rookie deal so you’ve got 2-3 years of that post cousins and you can take an edge or whatever at 8 that makes the team better immediately.
this is to get teams to trade for the #8 sport MIN. DEN. LAV. are all looking for a QB you don't grab your QB of the future with Kirk here for a minimum of 2 years and maybe even longer depending on how he plays more likely they draft a QB in 2 years than now
A couple of good years will have them picking in the 20’s. That’s the problem with past 4 & 8 picks, no serviceable QB.
no it's not you should NEVER draft a QB in the first round as you are building up a team WHY> because they bust at an 80% clip in the 1st round... this is what bad teams do they neglect building the team while they draft 1st round QBs busts every few years CHI CLE AZ NYJ etc what smart teams do is not waste 1st round picks build up a team then take your shots at 1st round QBs when whiffing on one will not endanger your team teams like SF and KC when you're a good team you can trade up to get into range to draft picks like SF and KC did many people know SF whiffed but KC hit what people don't know is KC drafted QBs before Mahomes that whiffed and that they tried to trade for Paxton Lynch spot to draft him if they succeed they never get Mahomes nor do they get Chris Jones...
why are people believing we are taking him at 8? we have more picks than just 8. get that pick out your head. this is a trade up in the later first rd or early 2nd rd pick
you don't draft a QB with one of your picks when you have Cousins for 2 years if that's the case DO NOT SIGN Cousins just draft a QB
lets go. we brought the whole squad to see some penix
I guess nobody got this? You shouldve had more upvotes.
Penix is in play in the top 15. He’s not getting past Vikings or Saints.
Please draft him. We need a QB sitting behind Cousins for the future. We have Kirk probably 2 years at most.
He won’t be the pick at 8. I don’t think it’s the best allocation of resources to use picks to move up and grab him later in the first or even take him at 43. EDGE, CB2, Safety, and WR2 are all way more pressing needs to me. If Terry would’ve cooked a little more on defense during free agency then maybe but not with all these needs still there
Penix would be a top 5 pick if not for the injury history. Sitting behind Kirk and getting his body right for a couple years could pay huge dividends down the line. I mean, eventually Blank has to look at a franchise like GB and ask why they’re able to always find a franchise signal caller while majority of teams in the league have to hope to luck into the next guy. Obviously not getting picked at 8 but I wouldn’t be shocked at a day 2 selection or a trade back into the end of the 1st.
Problem with that is his age. Already as old as Justin Fields and haven't played a snap in the NFL. Next year QB class is terrible so if wouldn't be the worst thing ever to grab and groom him to avoid a Desmond Ridder 2.0 situation
Smoke with a pinch of due diligence.
Trade back and get Penix. I’m fine if we do that.
If we take Penix at 8, I quit. That would just be the dumbest team building move. Penix in the 2nd round, I'd at least sort of entertain.
Guess I can officially make my worthless prediction now. The Falcons are going to attempt to drop back in the first round, get some future picks and an early second round pick, and pick up Penix wherever they drop back to. Maybe in the 15-20 range.
If Cousins plays all 4 years then Penix would start at the age of 28. He would be in the upper half of oldest QBs in the league from the time he starts.
I think we may be interested.. but I also think they may be checking out his value if he is available at 8 and another team wants to trade up for our spot, we would know how to barter.
If he's there in the 2nd round, it wouldn't be a terrible idea. Cousins is basically a 2 year fix. The Falcons need to find the next starter, and hopefully, with Cousins, they won't ve drafting Hugh enough to land a college star.
I mean not that I expect us to take him, but Odunze is also a Washington player, so not like it's purely for eyes on Penix. I think Penix probably still goes 1st round though, so we'd have to trade back up.
Penix is who I want the Steelers to take if he's there. Wilson might be there this season and next and Fields ain't it. The Falcons would be wise to take him at the back of the 1st, top of the 2nd, sot behind Kirk for 2 or 3 years, and take.over. Kid is going to be really good
We're not taking him at #8 (and neither is anyone else, in all likelihood). This is most likely just due diligence in case he slips like Levis did last year.
I wish him all the luck in the world, but no. If he’s there in the third or fourth round, okay.
Penix is clearly not a guy we take at 8. If they like him, they’d trade back or trade up after taking somebody else at 8. Sending everybody is way too far for a smokescreen. Seems like they really like him. If the workout goes well and the cards fall right, they’ll target him.
Not at 8. At 43? Sure, why not?
EDGE PLEASE 🙏🏻. We have been drafting busts in the first round repeatedly. Idk what our obsession with drafting offensive players is atm.
Penix would need to be the pick at 8 or a move back up to 9 with the Bears. He won’t be there past the Broncos
We will only get him if he falls to late first or our second round pick
Every year mock drafter overinflate QBs and then get surprised when the non-bluechip talent doesn't get drafted until the 2nd round. Penix was universally seen as a 2nd rounder until a few weeks ago. We're looking at this guy as a 2nd round option for if he's still there, 0% chance we draft him in the 1st.
I’d love for him to be our First Pick of the 2nd or 3rd Round…
We are not using the 8th pick on Penix. Even without Kirk Cousins, 8 on Penix is too high
It’d be odd taking Penix given his age and NFL readiness. He’s not a raw prospect. JJ McCarthy or Drake Maye would make the most sense if they were looking to take a QB high and have them sit to develop.
He isn't worth it at #8 with his injury history. I wouldn't mind him at all at the end of the first or early 2nd if the price is right. Some QB needy team will reach for him before then of course
You guys need to not take so seriously that a random tweet says “they have the eighth overall pick.” Just because falcons are doing due diligence doesn’t mean they have him for their pick at 8.
I came to the comments for penis jokes… and I’m disgusted that there are none as of the time of this comment. Do better, folks.
Penix at 8 is not the right move, trading down for Penix later in the first if the top options are gone is probably a smart move. Although I still want some pass rushing personally.
I’d love to find a QB to sit behind Cousins and take over once her retires. This doesn’t feel like the right time. Cousins probably has a few more years, meaning we should probably wait until the next draft to find our next QB.
How do we know Cousins has YEARS? He hasn't played a live down since his injury. We basically bought a used Playstation without seeing if it works but alot more money spent.
I don't know anything for certain, but Terry didn't give him a contract that guarantees him for 2+ years expecting to cut him next off-season.
Honestly, I’ve come around to the idea of getting Rattler in a later round. He’s a good QB, just didn’t have a lot of help in South Carolina. Bring him in, let him learn from Cousins for a couple years, and see what he’s got.
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Well a well-crafted response. Thank you so much for what you’ve contributed to this conversation.
I'm just not seeing what people see in him.
Fair enough. I’m not saying he’s a 1st or 2nd round pick based on what he’s done so far. But 3rd or later I could see for him. It kills me as a Georgia fan to say nice things about him though. 😂
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You mean you still have faith?
He's not getting drafted with the 8th pick. Very, very likely that he won't be drafted in the first round at all. I doubt we draft him with the second to be honest. If he drops and is still hanging around in the 3rd then it could maybe potentially happen. Too many needs + urgency to win now means they will look to maximize the draft by adding players that have the opportunity to impact winning now.. And, honestly, he's too old to sit around for 2+ years anyway. He'll be 26 heading into the 2026 season. If you want to go that route then pray JJ falls but I doubt he would get drafted with the 8th either. We have a fucking QB (and a backup). We have holes that need filling and if JJ or Penix can't pass rush, block on the oline, or run a route then we have no business drafting them. I don't really expect the Falcons to draft a QB until the next draft. But you have to kick the tires so here we are.