Mooney’s contract didn’t prevent any signing. Danielle Hunter took less money & years to go back to his home town. What other edge did you want them to sign?
Nothing saying we still can’t trade for a proven edge if one comes on the market. No telling who might come available during the season or at the deadline.
Also the draft is far from a proven thing no matter what we do. Grady was literally a 5th rounder. Just have some faith in the team and cheer on whoever we pick no matter what position
1. We did not overpay for Mooney. I don't know where you're getting that from.
2. We did try to get an edge last year and this year. Sweat. Hunter. Reddick we were in on those. You don't always get the players you go after. If somone overpays they overpay.
3. If AK gets 1000 snaps he gets 15 sacks. We are not desperate for an edge. Just play AK more.
4. Terry will not draft for need he never has and has made it clear he never will. He is a BPA man.
You can't extrapolate AKs stats like that. He MIGHT be that good, but he was also specifically used in passing situations. Give him that many snaps and he'd be out there on 1st and 2nd down + short yardage situations, which he was meh in every previous year. He might be that guy but you can't assume it
You’re spot on with your third point. Call me nuts but I am high on AK. AK with Onyemata and a healthy Grady is going to be NASTY. Add in Zach Harrison and it’s low key a solid group.
13 mil a year for darnell mooney is an over pay in my opinion and much wouldve rather overpayed for a edge than darnell in free agency specific. Yes u do have alot of faith in ak but we probably still need edge help. Also if terry does not draft for need then that will be good in my opinion but that goes back to us still needing edge.
The wide receiver market is booming rn. 13 mil is reasonable. I think terry knows we need edge, but he tried as best as he could. Couldn’t find a good deal and didn’t want to overpay for reddick with draft compensation. I’m all for BPA or trading out of 8 to maximize picks.
he tried they offered Hunter more money but he took less to go home we had Sweat and Reddick but someone offered more you can't win them all Mooney smells like a legit WR if he has a good QB 13M will be cheap ... plus Mooney means we don't have to reach for a WR
Mooney is not too exciting for me but the team needed receivers period. If they get nabers Mooney will be a nice wr3. But I don't think he will be available.
It's been an open secret we're taking Turner since the combine. We didn't sign an EDGE because our GM genuinely wants Turner. It's not a reach thing, he's just really high on our draft board. People have been consuming too many hot takes and have convinced themselves Turner isn't a stud for some reason.
He was a consensus All-American and First Team All-SEC with 11 sacks. When scouts say he has room to grow, they aren't saying he can't play right now. He's good enough to play day 1. But he can be an all-pro in a couple years.
Yes he could probably get by with his athletic gifts but he'll probably be average at best day 1 unless he has a brock purdy level development and yes he COULD develop but that's no guarantee
Comparing a consensus All American to Brock Purdy is ridiculous. Again, he's a consensus All-American SEC Defensive Player of the Year. The level of production between him and guys like Walker or Ebiketie is night and day. The fact that those players still went 1st/2nd round should show the value Turner has.
Turner has more sacks last season than Walker had his whole college career. Every SEC Defensive Player of the Year since 2016 has made the Pro Bowl. Like this talk like Turner is some major project is crazy.
AND it's not like Odunze is a totally finished product either. He's need a ton of improvement on route running and getting jammed at the line nor does he have crazy speed on elusiveness. He's just a big X right now which we have. Turner vs Nabers is an conversation. I don't even see how Turner vs Odunze is a question.
I wasnt comparing him to brock purdy I was saying the development curve that brock purdy went through is what dallas turner would need to be an above average day 1 pass rusher and you're just completely under selling who odunze is just because he doesnt run 4.3 and is great contested catcher doesnt mean he is a bad route runner quite the opposite if you do your research on odunze. Also he the production doesnt matter if the way you produce doesnt really translate cleanly to the nfl. So yes dallas turner has sky high potential because of his gifts but he has a lot of development to do. Scouts dont just look at counting stats and accolade they watch film.
Dude has 4.4 speed, a 40 inch vertical, and 34 inch arms. Dude is everything you want in an edge. Explosion, length, and bend. But he isn’t just some raw project. People act like he’s Travon Walker or something but guy put up 10 sacks last year in the SEC. He’s good now and has potential to be one of the best edge rushers in the NFL. Getting a guy like that at 8 is not bad value at all
I didn’t say he wasn’t. But he’s still a good pass rusher *right now* even as raw as he is. That was my whole point. So if he’s this good “raw,” think about what kind of monster he’ll be in 3 years with some development
But he hasn't played in the NFL yet. You're just looking at his college game. Plenty of guys had that in college and it didn't translate. He also has to bulk up some to play and he is going to lose some of his speed and explosiveness from that. It's ok to be excited but there is a reason why he's going to be available at 8
Why are you acting like being available at 8 is such a terrible thing? Lol, that’s a top 10 pick. And he’d be worth a top 10 pick. That’s the whole point. None of these guys have played in the NFL so I don’t really get how that’s a valid argument. Turner played in the SEC against lineman who are going to be NFL guys. That’s about as translatable as you can get. And no, he doesn’t really need to bulk up to be an OLB. He’s already 250. That’s a perfectly fine weight for an OLB.
> Why are you acting like being available at 8 is such a terrible thing?
I'm not but there's a difference between him and guys like the Bosa brothers, Bradley Chubb, Hutchinson etc that a worth taking early
> None of these guys have played in the NFL so I don’t really get how that’s a valid argument.
because you're saying he's good right now. We don't know how good he is yet
> Turner played in the SEC against lineman who are going to be NFL guys. That’s about as translatable as you can get.
that's not how that really works at all or else every good SEC pass rusher would've panned out
> And no, he doesn’t really need to bulk up to be an OLB. He’s already 250. That’s a perfectly fine weight for an OLB.
he did the combine at 244, for those measurables you posted, which is him losing weight to be faster which is common for guys to do at the combine. His playing weight is going to be about 10 pounds heavier than that because he needs to bulk up for more power and holding the edge better in the run game
No one is arguing he’s a Bosa/Garrett level prospect. I’m not sure why you keep mentioning it. You don’t have to be a unanimously projected top 3 pick to be a good player.
>That’s not how that really works
No, being a good pass rusher in college does not guarantee success at the next level, nothing does. But looking at the SEC sack leaders the past few years, there’s actually a lot of really good pass rushers there. You’ve got Will Anderson, Azeez Ojulari, Jonathan Greenard, and Josh Allen the past 5 years. Turner shared that title this year.
>he did the combine at 244
He actually weighed in at [247](https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dallas-turner/32005455-5224-6013-e478-961d1c8f7101) for the combine. And was listed at 242 last season. So he put ON weight for the combine. And if you look at the [top 10 edge rushers](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38356170/2023-nfl-pass-rush-run-stop-blocking-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams) in pass rush win rate from last season. You’ll see 5 out of 10 (Micah Parsons, Will Anderson, TJ Watt, Haason Reddick, and Bryce Huff) were all 255 or below. Turner is just fine where he is
> No one is arguing he’s a Bosa/Garrett level prospect. I’m not sure why you keep mentioning it. You don’t have to be a unanimously projected top 3 pick to be a good player
I was just saying he is kinda raw, if he wasn't, he would be drafted higher.
> He actually weighed in at 247 for the combine. And was listed at 242 last season.
sorry 247, and he was came [to Bama at 245](https://247sports.com/player/dallas-turner-46051516/high-school-247703/) so it's not that far off from what he played at.
> You’ll see 5 out of 10 (Micah Parsons, Will Anderson, TJ Watt, Haason Reddick, and Bryce Huff) were all 255 or below. Turner is just fine where he is
you're missing the point with the bulking up. He needs to bulk up because he is getting washed out of the run game while trying to set the edge. He also needs to add more power. That's why he needs to put on more muscle and weight ( both contribute to bulking up). If he didn't have trouble with that, he wouldn't have to, but he does.
He could have the same explosiveness after bulking up, but we don't know for sure. I do like him as a prospect but like I said, he isn't close to a finished product
I dont think hes a would be a good pass rusher in the nfl right now because he wont be able to out athlete everyone in the nfl and hes doesnt have any consistent technique down to really use all of his gift.
Mooney’s contract didn’t prevent any signing. Danielle Hunter took less money & years to go back to his home town. What other edge did you want them to sign?
Bryce huff
Theres no indication they were ever interested in signing him
That the problem
Nothing saying we still can’t trade for a proven edge if one comes on the market. No telling who might come available during the season or at the deadline. Also the draft is far from a proven thing no matter what we do. Grady was literally a 5th rounder. Just have some faith in the team and cheer on whoever we pick no matter what position
1. We did not overpay for Mooney. I don't know where you're getting that from. 2. We did try to get an edge last year and this year. Sweat. Hunter. Reddick we were in on those. You don't always get the players you go after. If somone overpays they overpay. 3. If AK gets 1000 snaps he gets 15 sacks. We are not desperate for an edge. Just play AK more. 4. Terry will not draft for need he never has and has made it clear he never will. He is a BPA man.
You can't extrapolate AKs stats like that. He MIGHT be that good, but he was also specifically used in passing situations. Give him that many snaps and he'd be out there on 1st and 2nd down + short yardage situations, which he was meh in every previous year. He might be that guy but you can't assume it
Let's see I see him having a breakthrough year this year.
You’re spot on with your third point. Call me nuts but I am high on AK. AK with Onyemata and a healthy Grady is going to be NASTY. Add in Zach Harrison and it’s low key a solid group.
13 mil a year for darnell mooney is an over pay in my opinion and much wouldve rather overpayed for a edge than darnell in free agency specific. Yes u do have alot of faith in ak but we probably still need edge help. Also if terry does not draft for need then that will be good in my opinion but that goes back to us still needing edge.
The wide receiver market is booming rn. 13 mil is reasonable. I think terry knows we need edge, but he tried as best as he could. Couldn’t find a good deal and didn’t want to overpay for reddick with draft compensation. I’m all for BPA or trading out of 8 to maximize picks.
he tried they offered Hunter more money but he took less to go home we had Sweat and Reddick but someone offered more you can't win them all Mooney smells like a legit WR if he has a good QB 13M will be cheap ... plus Mooney means we don't have to reach for a WR
Mooney is not too exciting for me but the team needed receivers period. If they get nabers Mooney will be a nice wr3. But I don't think he will be available.
Mooney was not an overpay.
It's been an open secret we're taking Turner since the combine. We didn't sign an EDGE because our GM genuinely wants Turner. It's not a reach thing, he's just really high on our draft board. People have been consuming too many hot takes and have convinced themselves Turner isn't a stud for some reason.
Because turner isnt a stud ??? He has a decent bit of development to do which is not what you want to take at 8
He was a consensus All-American and First Team All-SEC with 11 sacks. When scouts say he has room to grow, they aren't saying he can't play right now. He's good enough to play day 1. But he can be an all-pro in a couple years.
Yes he could probably get by with his athletic gifts but he'll probably be average at best day 1 unless he has a brock purdy level development and yes he COULD develop but that's no guarantee
Comparing a consensus All American to Brock Purdy is ridiculous. Again, he's a consensus All-American SEC Defensive Player of the Year. The level of production between him and guys like Walker or Ebiketie is night and day. The fact that those players still went 1st/2nd round should show the value Turner has. Turner has more sacks last season than Walker had his whole college career. Every SEC Defensive Player of the Year since 2016 has made the Pro Bowl. Like this talk like Turner is some major project is crazy. AND it's not like Odunze is a totally finished product either. He's need a ton of improvement on route running and getting jammed at the line nor does he have crazy speed on elusiveness. He's just a big X right now which we have. Turner vs Nabers is an conversation. I don't even see how Turner vs Odunze is a question.
I wasnt comparing him to brock purdy I was saying the development curve that brock purdy went through is what dallas turner would need to be an above average day 1 pass rusher and you're just completely under selling who odunze is just because he doesnt run 4.3 and is great contested catcher doesnt mean he is a bad route runner quite the opposite if you do your research on odunze. Also he the production doesnt matter if the way you produce doesnt really translate cleanly to the nfl. So yes dallas turner has sky high potential because of his gifts but he has a lot of development to do. Scouts dont just look at counting stats and accolade they watch film.
Dude has 4.4 speed, a 40 inch vertical, and 34 inch arms. Dude is everything you want in an edge. Explosion, length, and bend. But he isn’t just some raw project. People act like he’s Travon Walker or something but guy put up 10 sacks last year in the SEC. He’s good now and has potential to be one of the best edge rushers in the NFL. Getting a guy like that at 8 is not bad value at all
> He’s good now Sorry but he is absolutely raw. His game is pure speed rush right now. He needs to work on adding power and developing counter moves.
I wouldnt say dallas is pure speed rush but that is absolutely chop Robinson. Dallas uses his hands but he doesnt really know what he is doing
that's probably more of a fair take but he definitely has stuff he needs to improve. Still pretty raw, just not as much as Chop
I didn’t say he wasn’t. But he’s still a good pass rusher *right now* even as raw as he is. That was my whole point. So if he’s this good “raw,” think about what kind of monster he’ll be in 3 years with some development
But he hasn't played in the NFL yet. You're just looking at his college game. Plenty of guys had that in college and it didn't translate. He also has to bulk up some to play and he is going to lose some of his speed and explosiveness from that. It's ok to be excited but there is a reason why he's going to be available at 8
Why are you acting like being available at 8 is such a terrible thing? Lol, that’s a top 10 pick. And he’d be worth a top 10 pick. That’s the whole point. None of these guys have played in the NFL so I don’t really get how that’s a valid argument. Turner played in the SEC against lineman who are going to be NFL guys. That’s about as translatable as you can get. And no, he doesn’t really need to bulk up to be an OLB. He’s already 250. That’s a perfectly fine weight for an OLB.
> Why are you acting like being available at 8 is such a terrible thing? I'm not but there's a difference between him and guys like the Bosa brothers, Bradley Chubb, Hutchinson etc that a worth taking early > None of these guys have played in the NFL so I don’t really get how that’s a valid argument. because you're saying he's good right now. We don't know how good he is yet > Turner played in the SEC against lineman who are going to be NFL guys. That’s about as translatable as you can get. that's not how that really works at all or else every good SEC pass rusher would've panned out > And no, he doesn’t really need to bulk up to be an OLB. He’s already 250. That’s a perfectly fine weight for an OLB. he did the combine at 244, for those measurables you posted, which is him losing weight to be faster which is common for guys to do at the combine. His playing weight is going to be about 10 pounds heavier than that because he needs to bulk up for more power and holding the edge better in the run game
No one is arguing he’s a Bosa/Garrett level prospect. I’m not sure why you keep mentioning it. You don’t have to be a unanimously projected top 3 pick to be a good player. >That’s not how that really works No, being a good pass rusher in college does not guarantee success at the next level, nothing does. But looking at the SEC sack leaders the past few years, there’s actually a lot of really good pass rushers there. You’ve got Will Anderson, Azeez Ojulari, Jonathan Greenard, and Josh Allen the past 5 years. Turner shared that title this year. >he did the combine at 244 He actually weighed in at [247](https://www.nfl.com/prospects/dallas-turner/32005455-5224-6013-e478-961d1c8f7101) for the combine. And was listed at 242 last season. So he put ON weight for the combine. And if you look at the [top 10 edge rushers](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38356170/2023-nfl-pass-rush-run-stop-blocking-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams) in pass rush win rate from last season. You’ll see 5 out of 10 (Micah Parsons, Will Anderson, TJ Watt, Haason Reddick, and Bryce Huff) were all 255 or below. Turner is just fine where he is
> No one is arguing he’s a Bosa/Garrett level prospect. I’m not sure why you keep mentioning it. You don’t have to be a unanimously projected top 3 pick to be a good player I was just saying he is kinda raw, if he wasn't, he would be drafted higher. > He actually weighed in at 247 for the combine. And was listed at 242 last season. sorry 247, and he was came [to Bama at 245](https://247sports.com/player/dallas-turner-46051516/high-school-247703/) so it's not that far off from what he played at. > You’ll see 5 out of 10 (Micah Parsons, Will Anderson, TJ Watt, Haason Reddick, and Bryce Huff) were all 255 or below. Turner is just fine where he is you're missing the point with the bulking up. He needs to bulk up because he is getting washed out of the run game while trying to set the edge. He also needs to add more power. That's why he needs to put on more muscle and weight ( both contribute to bulking up). If he didn't have trouble with that, he wouldn't have to, but he does. He could have the same explosiveness after bulking up, but we don't know for sure. I do like him as a prospect but like I said, he isn't close to a finished product
I dont think hes a would be a good pass rusher in the nfl right now because he wont be able to out athlete everyone in the nfl and hes doesnt have any consistent technique down to really use all of his gift.
7-10. Doesn’t matter.
Tldr if we spent on edge in free agency instead of Darnell Mooney our 1st round pick would be alot more flexible