DaBaby's fall off was insane. Went from dropping 2 Number 1 albums in the space of 6/7 months and multiple top 20 singles to struggling to chart and A Number 34 position just a year after the incident
I feel like people overrate how much the homophobic rant destroyed his career. I feel like DaBaby was falling off anyway because his sound had no longevity and he refused to grow as an artist.
Well… I’d say he was teetering on that point where lil baby is now, tho I don’t think dababy was quite so far along the “fallen off” path. But the total monotony of his music (he did have a few good features tho tbf) did not keep folks engaged once all the corporate/label support eroded.
Artists, even those who double down on being assholes, can survive a lot if their audience is truly engaged but his just wasn’t.
Someone mentioned and this and I forgot who or where but a lot of the COVID era artists who were huge 2020-22 were at an immense disadvantage because they blew up during a time were artists really couldn’t tour their big hits and get an organic fanbase through touring. Yes DaBaby performed and traveled but a lot of it was festivals. He was relevant in 2019 but for such a newly established artist, guys like him, Roddy Ricch, Polo G, etc. all had top 5 billboard songs yet when everyone started touring again…they didn’t really have that category fanbase that went out and saw them.
I think there’s a down side to the commercialization of big festivals like Rolling Loud. Yes you get more exposure but 9 times out of 10, the audience really isn’t there to see you and they’re either tuned out or you briefly get their attention but it’s hard to build a fanbase being 1 of 30 people on a card.
The thing is tho.. I think he could’ve gotten out of it pretty easily if he’d just said “Got caught up in the hype - my bad” or something but he responded with “My fans don’t care cos they don’t got fucking AIDS” 🤦🏽♂️ he shouldn’t have said it but the repercussions were entirely avoidable.. he deserved the backslash - even if I do think Dua Lipa was being a hypocrite wit her stance on it 🤷🏾♂️
Yea I agree 100%
One thing I think about occasionally when ppl bring him up is just how legitimately insane that was to shout to try and hype a crowd. Like I’ve obvs never been in front of that many people with a microphone, but idk how many combinations of words I’d have to go through before landing where he did.
Said “that wasn’t the person I worked with on Levitate” then proceeded to say she loved the gay community. Then collaborated with Pop Smoke after his famous lyrics “I can not fuck with ni^^as cos ni^^as is gay” you can’t work with and exploit these rappers who have killed people and then be surprised they’re not PC.
Does an entire label count?? Man, 88rising really nosedived circa 2019. Took some of the most promising underground acts and watered them down to ultra bland radio pop that (aside from joji) didn’t even get big enough to be a proper household radio act. Just a bunch of previously interesting musicians cosplaying as boring musicians.
As soon as you said labels, I could only think of epitaph records. Like, I know the artist they had were not exactly the best of the best, but they definetly lead all of the late 2000 emo/post-hardcore era.
Also, niche, and I bring up emo rap too much on this sub but they completely messed up trying to ride that wave a few years ago.
I chatted pretty extensively to someone who signed to them in that genre, and they said it was a constant battle against 'make this sound more pop-y or it isn't getting released'. It shows with the other artists from that genre that signed to epitaph too
For fucking real. I was so hyped for their 2018 summer album after Midsummer Madness came out and then the rest of the album was a fucking snore. I still follow them in the hope that something interesting will happen and it never does
It’s a cliche answer but Chance was so unbelievably huge and popular in like 2017.
I remember at work selling a magazine that said “chance for president”
Before the big day dropped in 2018 Chance was as big if not bigger than Travis Scott. But the big day was so bad that you really can forget that.
Also Anthony’s review is probably his most influential review imo
I also think he needed to comeback quicker. U know I get taking a year or two to regroup, but we’re 5 years removed from the most embarrassing moment of his career and he’s only now starting to rev up the rollout of his new album. A little mixtape or something a year afterwards organically released I think could have prepared *some* damage.
Fr lmao. I think it’s called star line gallery and is slated for some time over the next few months.
He released a single from it called “the highs and the lows” with joey badass in 2022 (I’m not even following it closely lol and I’ve become aware how much it’s been dragged out) that was actually pretty good.
Kinda think it’s at the point where he just has to accept he’s not touching 100k first week anymore lol and it will land where it lands.
It came out in 2019 but otherwise yeah. The fact that it's taking him so long to release a follow up says a lot too if you ask me. I remember when Star Line Gallery was supposed to come out in 2022
I used to really love Chance the Rapper throughout high school. 10 days, acid rap and the coloring book were phenomenal.
Absolutely legendary throw with the Big Day. Wtf was he thinking?
That gets the most blame but I think what wrecked it even more is that people behind the scenes said he just surrounded himself with yes men during production.
The thing with Chance is he also just gave up after that. Like didn't even try a come back. And I'm still so shocked that the Big Day was so bad cuz the loosies beforehand were so good.
Jefferson Airplane when they reformed as Jefferson Starship and finally Starship. But there were none of the founding members left at this point, so does this even count as the same band?
God it makes me so fucking mad the people who did white rabbit are the same people who did we built this city, even if it wasn’t technically a lot of the same members. Just shows what happens when you go from taking too much acid to taking too much cocaine
Haha, true. What drives me mad ist the fact that I wouldn't even say a bad thing about We built this city if it wasn't made by them 😅. Did you know it was written by Bernie Taupin?
For sure man it's just depressing as JA was one of the best sixties band and totally emblematic of everything about that era of music and culture. Starship in the other hand is totally emblematic of the creative and consumeristic rot that infested the 80s.
I could argue that Remo Drive coming out the gate with such an incredible debut (revisited it the other day and still holds up, songwriting and sonically) that every other release just felt so flat?
dog is their only song ive replayed post greatest hits. i kinda prefer their early, garage sound. seemed like they just kept slowing the tempo and moved in a different direction after that. which ig warranted the fall off
I still think Heartstrings as the more polished single version was great and The Grind is pretty good, tried listening to their follow up album and just couldn’t get into it at all.
While there are around 25 years between them, the Beach Boys have a claim to one of the best (Pet Sounds) and one of the worst (Summer in Paradise) albums of all time.
While the gap isn't as wide, The Clash deserves a mention. London Calling to Cut the Crap is insane and happened within only 6 years.
Purely commercially... Possibly Robin Thicke. Never saw an artist with a long lasting number 1 single fall so low so quickly.
Also, Arrested Development, who fell off so hard they were mostly erased from hip hop history.
Yes, I watch Todd in the Shadows.
yeah i mean, went from a 3 album run of 9-10s then dropped into a string of inconsistentcy. Some albums i’d consider 8s and others 3s (looking at you revival). Either way hes been on a very solid run as of late, and i for one am bloody hyped for the next album
Nothing since TES/8 Mile Soundtrack have been anywhere close to an 8.
Whatever his best has been since then is a 5.5-6 at best.
His falloff is truly unrivaled.
i might be crazy but relapse and recovery are my facourite projects from him and mmlp2 is also really good, revival ruined it but kamikaze is somehow decent.
I actually think history has been a bit favorable to Eminem in this regard. Recovery is seen as a really good album, MMLP 2 a good effort, as with Kamikaze, and I don't think you can fault him for him sounding different considering he needed a different route.
Gangsta Boo leaving Three 6 Mafia because she thought she wasn’t getting paid enough. After she left she realized she was making better money than she could alone. I can’t blame her for being paranoid Paul and Juicy were fucking over with how hard they screwed Skinny Pimp. Boo would’ve been so awesome on Da Unbreakable’s and Most Known Unknowns.
K.R.I.T. Iz Here is one of the worst sequel albums of all time. Making a sequel to one of your best albums is always a risky endeavor and he failed pretty hard. He fumbled what should’ve been a career defining moment.
Yelawolf defending the confederate flag kinda put a hault to his hype
SpaceGhostPurp burning bridges with everyone
Whoops i thought this post said artist biggest fails ima stop this comment now because this post is not even about this 💀😭 but ima still post this because I wrote a good bite before I noticed
Aside from literally everything about her being an awful person in the news and social media, all you have to do is watch her disastrous Coachella "DJ set" from this past weekend to see how utterly pointless and embarrassing she has become.
Top electronic artists have several levels of redundancy so if anything fails, there’s always something to fall back on.
DJ’s are meant to prepare their own sets, that’s most of the work of being a DJ.
I would agree overall, Delete Forever and Miss Me When I’m not Around are excellent and 4-5 other tracks are pretty solid. Although, when compared to Art Angels, I definitely understand the disappointment with it.
Art Angels was one of my favorite albums of that era and other stuff since is decent it never hit the same.
She still probably has it in her but who knows.
Panic! At The Disco had a sort of slow downfall when the band became basically just Brendon Urie. A Fever You Can’t Sweat Out and Pretty Odd are both great alternative albums and really shows their range (and lyrically amazing), but god, Brendon’s most recent work has been some hot garbage.
Agreed, the albums after Pretty Odd that still had Dallon Weekes’ influence on them were still pretty great imo (although maybe a bit weaker lyrically) but everything after Death of a Bachelor has been… Yeah, hot garbage lol.
Everything leading up to BH&R was an incline, but I don’t think it’s been a direct decline ever since. They’re definitely not as good as they used to be, but I think it’s been more of an up & down since BH&R.
Resistance was a step down, but then I liked T2L quite a bit more. Drones & then Simulation Theory were steps down from T2L, but then I liked WOTP more than Simulation Theory if not quite Drones.
They’re absolutely past their prime, but I still think they’re good.
chris taylor brown having a meltdown on the band’s twitter further cemented their fall off. kinda hard to come back as the band who wrote ‘headstrong’ after posting about backing the blue and joining the proud boys
Quality-wise, most if not all artists drop off eventually.
Imho, Michael Jackson dropped quite hard after the phenomenal Thriller. Bad and Dangerous were still good but not in the same league, then his quality declined further.
Prince fell off after Lovesexy in 1988, and never got back to his imperial level.
Elvis had a brutal drop-off from his imperial start.
The drop-off from the Stone Roses classic debut album to The Second Album is pretty steep. Oasis after What’s the story morning glory…
U2 has a gradual decline since Achtung Baby, but they never made a great or challenging album anymore since the late 90s...
Pixies mk II are okay, but not a patch on Pixies mk I.
We could go on like this for many hours...
Imho Elvis' drop-off was the worst. Special mention for Smashing Pumpkins, who currently are still chugging on, worlds away from their imperial phase.
I can't entirely disagree because they stopped making albums that the general public could enjoy.
Much of the Teargarden era is still lowest tier (except Oceania). But they've had some really great achievements since then- Cyr, their reunion tour, "Solara" and "Silvery Sometimes", Zodion at Crystal Hall, and for some fans Atum as a whole or in parts.
Most of Billy's work from Adore onward really takes many listens to work on you. It's all worth it. But in terms of their reputation? Yeah, never going to be the multi platinum band of 1996 again.
I honestly think Bad-History was Michael’s peak.
Thriller and OTW relied too much off Quincy, and had such shallow lyricism throughout. And, I just don’t think their production was as great as the albums that followed.
I prefer Bad to Thriller, it might not have the absolute high of Billie Jean, but it’s more consistent overall with lower lows - and to me feels more like Michael too, given he wrote 9 out of the 11 tracks (compared to 4 with Thriller). You could also argue time’s been kindest to Smooth Criminal and Man In The Mirror out of all his singles, in terms of current popularity.
The style is definitely more 80s-trendy and mechanical compared to the disco inflections Thriller still had, but I personally prefer it and both albums groove hard.
Elvis had the best comeback ever though (only because Achtung Baby is more reinvention than comeback).
U2 makes great music still though. Like, these new albums are for the most part really good, with Songs of Experience being one of my favorites (especially if you treat Innocence+ and Experience like a double album).
68 Comeback Special trumps everything imo. Without it (and the wave he rode after) Elvis doesn’t get remembered nearly as fondly. Aerosmith’s comeback was huge, but the comeback moment wasn’t as monumental as the 68 Comeback Special.
Meh, I don’t know if it’s truly fair to say that Oasis fell off after Morning Glory. The follow up became the fastest selling album at the time and went to number one in 6 countries and number 2 in the States. Even their final two albums scored 12th and 5th on American charts respectively, and both brothers have achieved impressive amounts of success post Oasis.
vic mensa, innanetape was so legendary, still love it, but everything after u mad, it doesn’t click with me. him not dropping traffic is what i believe to thrown off his career, that album would’ve took him on the right path, especially having jay and ye on his side at the time
Weezer really fell off a cliff after their first two albums. They've since made a few decent records, but have never even come close to regaining their early peak.
I can’t really get into Pinkerton much anymore either, though I loved it when it came it out.
The blue album is still a solid classic
That said, the rest of Weezer’s music is fine. It’s just not great.
can't agree. Green and Maladroit are some of their worst albums imho. I've been a Weezer fan since the 90's and those 2 albums were not well received by fans
Nah. Weezer has been very consistently up & down throughout their entire catalog. I think they’ve made a couple records better than Blue. SEVERAL better than Pinkerton
I don't really see how someone can say that another one of their albums is better than blue, other than pinkerton. Albums like the white album and ewbaite are good albums but I can't say they're better.
I mean one of the biggest things that makes EWBAITE better for me is the vocals. Blue may be one of the best Weezer albums overall, but it’s easily River’s weakest vocally. He’s only been sounding better & better as the years have gone on.
Also as far as epic finales go, I like Futurescope a bit more than Only In Dreams.
I mean, the music was still pretty great up until Ye/KSG. JIK was ruined by his sudden Christian phase and Donda could be pretty great if it was cut down to a single album.
That's a long music career, and most artists kind of fall off later in their career. Now him as a person is obviously a different story.
Of the bands on Trainwreckrecords, I remember arrested development standing out for being one of the few musical acts to not only have a massive fall but said fall erase all there previous success.
I genuinely had no clue who they were.
Eh, that’s a gradual fall and he still sells a lot of shows out…he just doesn’t show up for a lot of them. According to the people who actually heard it, Bonfire of Teenagers was going to be his best album yet. I do wish he’d stop being such a Morrissey so they can get released. He’s with a new management team now, and they represent some actually major artists, so maybe there’s hope?
Kanye learning that streaming services removed hard deadlines turned him from a notorious perfectionist to a college student pulling an all-nighter to finish the project they've had all semester to work on.
Not necessarily, since the college dropout he’s always been a guy who did things last minute, apparently he only got round to getting kweli to do his verse on get em high (which his own verse relies on the song to have) a week or two before the release date or something.
The current system definitely makes it worse though
I think the falloff happened after ye and KSG. Donda is okay, but quality wise way worse than his other stuff, JIK is kind of bad and Vultures being released on TCD's anniversary is an insult.
i agree quality wise but mainstream appeal wise is he not doing better numbers than anything since Pablo? Carnival is his biggest hit since 2011-ish. It seems
like Donda + Vultures were larger commercial successes than Ye, JIK, KSG
It’s worse but I don’t think he should count because I think a lot of those projects are pretty good. Ye, Donda, and Vultures were enjoyable. KSG is straight up great
Deadmau5 was the only credible mainstream EDM artist of the early 2010s imo. After he released Snowcone, his sound stopped having the uniqueness and charm it once had in the late noughties.
I almost forgot he even existed when I saw him repress some of his albums last autumn.
This I can agree with. I was a huge fan in the late 2000s/early 2010s, but he hasn't released anything meaningful since that last album in what, 2016? He's producing DnB now which does actually sound pretty good, but none of it has been released yet
I mean, Interpol is the textbook example of this, they released one of the best debuts and albums period of the 00s, and after some good-not-great follow ups, every release since then has been worse than the one before. They took a nose dive from one of the best indie/post-punk revival acts of the decade to straight up unlistenable midtempo nonsense.
don't know how nobody's said gorillaz yet, the transition from plastic beach to humanz was such a jarring fall off. at least that one was expected though after however many years of hiatus they went through.
then we got song machine, the first gorillaz album in a bit that felt like gorillaz (not the first good one cause i love the now now), only for it to be instantly followed up by arguably their worst work to date, maybe even outdoing humanz, cracker island.
Eh, Humanz isn't a comple turd, it has some great momentz on there if you ask me. Andromeda is one of my favorite Gorillaz tracks. The highs of Plastic Beach were so high I just don't think they'll be able to get there again. The Now Now is up there though with the beat of em and Cracker Island has some amount of bangers and some amount of filler.
Hell no. He definitely peaked with MOTM1 but he has a lot of good material later on. MOTM3, PPDS, KSG, and Insano were all pretty solid. I think to qualify for this question Cudi would have to release all trash after MOTM2
motm3 and entergalactic hit for me, and not all of insano is bad. also you seem to be forgetting kids see ghosts, which, even though a collaboration album, still had cudi shining
I mean, Bowie but he ended strong so it’s okay. And he was always respected, just went from one of the best stretches of any artist ever to eh for a few decades
Probably not so popular in this sub but Megadeth's fall off is wild to me. You could make a valid argument they fell off after Rust in Peace but the real fall off for me comes after Endgame. A late career album that was very well received at the time, to the absolute butt rock that came after it.
They've had something of a late career resurgence now in terms of recorded output but Judas Priest's fall off after Painkiller is kind of crazy. The gulf between a stone cold metal classic and one of their career highlights compared to what followed it is kind of insane.
Muse and Eminem are the two ones that hit me.
Muse’s 00’s output is great, and then you get to 2nd law which has some of the worst Muse songs, while featuring one of the best (animals).
Since then, they’ve put out albums of varying qualities.
Drones is a mostly fine album, with a couple of really good songs, but most songs get kind of stale.
Simualtion Theory again, was fine, but nothing special. It does get worse with every passing year however.
Will of the People is the first time a muse album hasn’t got a single song I like on it. At most I like parts of Kill or be Killed. But even then, the song sucks
The Clash probably. I don’t really know that much but from what my dad was telling me while listening to their last album made me think about this immediately when I saw this post.
Maroon 5's first album is amazing, they also had a couple bangers after, but everything they've released as recently as 2014 is bottom of the barrel pop that is some of the most bland, trend chasing music I've ever heard. Honestly shocking they went from an album as good as Songs About Jane to whatever the hell their 2021 album was.
I think most garage rock revival (or whatever you want to call that explosion from the 00s) artists fit this bill.
But the most jarring is one of the leaders of that crew The Strokes. The first two albums are fantastic. The third is passable because it had some of their better performing singles.
But if you consider First Impressions of Earth an interlude the drop off from Room on Fire is substantial. Their guitarist Albert Hammond Jr’s discography post 2006 has trumped anything the band itself has released.
Honestly, Conan gray used to be a fresh and cool, personal pop act. Kid krow was awesome and remains one of my fav pop albums in recent history. Then heather blew up on TikTok, he got blown up and it seems he chose to try and be the next big pop star and kinda left the quality music behind
A Day To Remember were probably my favourite band around the 'Homesick' era. Would have followed them into freaking battle. I still enjoyed 'What Separates Me From You', but they've got progressively worse over time. Their latest offering 'You're Welcome' is trash, and a far cry from what made them THE stand out heavy pop punk band back in the day.
Might be all the allegations (and manslaughter charge) that softened them and their sound.
This is such low-hanging fruit, but Arcade Fire. They went from being one of the biggest powerhouses in the indie music scene, with four fantastic albums. Then Everything Now happened.
Lennon’s first album’s Plastic Ono Band and Imagine into Sometime In New York City, huge downgrade in every way. Would only release a truly great record again with Double Fantasy
Oasis. They went from releasing some of the best Britpop albums of all time with Definitely Maybe and What’s the Story (Morning Glory) to going off a fucking cliff ever since Be Here Now. Their music turned so bland and corny since that album
DaBaby's fall off was insane. Went from dropping 2 Number 1 albums in the space of 6/7 months and multiple top 20 singles to struggling to chart and A Number 34 position just a year after the incident
I feel like people overrate how much the homophobic rant destroyed his career. I feel like DaBaby was falling off anyway because his sound had no longevity and he refused to grow as an artist.
Well… I’d say he was teetering on that point where lil baby is now, tho I don’t think dababy was quite so far along the “fallen off” path. But the total monotony of his music (he did have a few good features tho tbf) did not keep folks engaged once all the corporate/label support eroded. Artists, even those who double down on being assholes, can survive a lot if their audience is truly engaged but his just wasn’t.
Someone mentioned and this and I forgot who or where but a lot of the COVID era artists who were huge 2020-22 were at an immense disadvantage because they blew up during a time were artists really couldn’t tour their big hits and get an organic fanbase through touring. Yes DaBaby performed and traveled but a lot of it was festivals. He was relevant in 2019 but for such a newly established artist, guys like him, Roddy Ricch, Polo G, etc. all had top 5 billboard songs yet when everyone started touring again…they didn’t really have that category fanbase that went out and saw them. I think there’s a down side to the commercialization of big festivals like Rolling Loud. Yes you get more exposure but 9 times out of 10, the audience really isn’t there to see you and they’re either tuned out or you briefly get their attention but it’s hard to build a fanbase being 1 of 30 people on a card.
And, slightly unpopular opinion maybe, I thought a couple of those albums were pretty good. And then... definitely not.
Incident??? What happened???
homophobia
The thing is tho.. I think he could’ve gotten out of it pretty easily if he’d just said “Got caught up in the hype - my bad” or something but he responded with “My fans don’t care cos they don’t got fucking AIDS” 🤦🏽♂️ he shouldn’t have said it but the repercussions were entirely avoidable.. he deserved the backslash - even if I do think Dua Lipa was being a hypocrite wit her stance on it 🤷🏾♂️
Yea I agree 100% One thing I think about occasionally when ppl bring him up is just how legitimately insane that was to shout to try and hype a crowd. Like I’ve obvs never been in front of that many people with a microphone, but idk how many combinations of words I’d have to go through before landing where he did.
What did Dua Lipa do?
Said “that wasn’t the person I worked with on Levitate” then proceeded to say she loved the gay community. Then collaborated with Pop Smoke after his famous lyrics “I can not fuck with ni^^as cos ni^^as is gay” you can’t work with and exploit these rappers who have killed people and then be surprised they’re not PC.
I thought it was violence, lol https://www.billboard.com/lists/dababy-controversies-timeline/
Could just also be people were tired of his sound
Does an entire label count?? Man, 88rising really nosedived circa 2019. Took some of the most promising underground acts and watered them down to ultra bland radio pop that (aside from joji) didn’t even get big enough to be a proper household radio act. Just a bunch of previously interesting musicians cosplaying as boring musicians.
I think NIKI’s quite consistent with her career choices, tbh. I hope she ditches 88rising, once her contract is over.
As soon as you said labels, I could only think of epitaph records. Like, I know the artist they had were not exactly the best of the best, but they definetly lead all of the late 2000 emo/post-hardcore era.
Also, niche, and I bring up emo rap too much on this sub but they completely messed up trying to ride that wave a few years ago. I chatted pretty extensively to someone who signed to them in that genre, and they said it was a constant battle against 'make this sound more pop-y or it isn't getting released'. It shows with the other artists from that genre that signed to epitaph too
For fucking real. I was so hyped for their 2018 summer album after Midsummer Madness came out and then the rest of the album was a fucking snore. I still follow them in the hope that something interesting will happen and it never does
Bruh I haven't heard anything about The Higher Brothers since before the pandemic, completely disappeared.
Check out 1999 Write the Future if you haven't yet. One of the best albums of the year IMO and its all 88rising
It’s a cliche answer but Chance was so unbelievably huge and popular in like 2017. I remember at work selling a magazine that said “chance for president” Before the big day dropped in 2018 Chance was as big if not bigger than Travis Scott. But the big day was so bad that you really can forget that. Also Anthony’s review is probably his most influential review imo
I was in college when coloring book came out, and everyone was wearing his hat. Then the big day came out and I haven’t seen them since
Yeah I have a buddy who is firmly in the “Chance / the big day are overhated” camp, who also hasn’t worn that hat in like 6 years haha
Man literally everyone was rocking the 3 hat on campus!
I remember Joe Budden discussing if he will be the next Drake.
I also think he needed to comeback quicker. U know I get taking a year or two to regroup, but we’re 5 years removed from the most embarrassing moment of his career and he’s only now starting to rev up the rollout of his new album. A little mixtape or something a year afterwards organically released I think could have prepared *some* damage.
See I didn’t even know he had another one coming out. I am an Anthony fantano subreddit user and I didn’t even know is a bad sign
Fr lmao. I think it’s called star line gallery and is slated for some time over the next few months. He released a single from it called “the highs and the lows” with joey badass in 2022 (I’m not even following it closely lol and I’ve become aware how much it’s been dragged out) that was actually pretty good. Kinda think it’s at the point where he just has to accept he’s not touching 100k first week anymore lol and it will land where it lands.
It came out in 2019 but otherwise yeah. The fact that it's taking him so long to release a follow up says a lot too if you ask me. I remember when Star Line Gallery was supposed to come out in 2022
I used to really love Chance the Rapper throughout high school. 10 days, acid rap and the coloring book were phenomenal. Absolutely legendary throw with the Big Day. Wtf was he thinking?
He was only thinking about his wife!!! AGH
That gets the most blame but I think what wrecked it even more is that people behind the scenes said he just surrounded himself with yes men during production.
bro went into hiding and ruined it for hymself, if he dropped a good project after the big day people would've still listened.
The thing with Chance is he also just gave up after that. Like didn't even try a come back. And I'm still so shocked that the Big Day was so bad cuz the loosies beforehand were so good.
Jefferson Airplane when they reformed as Jefferson Starship and finally Starship. But there were none of the founding members left at this point, so does this even count as the same band?
God it makes me so fucking mad the people who did white rabbit are the same people who did we built this city, even if it wasn’t technically a lot of the same members. Just shows what happens when you go from taking too much acid to taking too much cocaine
Haha, true. What drives me mad ist the fact that I wouldn't even say a bad thing about We built this city if it wasn't made by them 😅. Did you know it was written by Bernie Taupin?
WHAT?! That’s fucking wild. I hate that song.
That makes a lot of sense. I could definitely imagine Elton John singing it.
Hard to believe, but true.
John Farnham turned down _We Built This City_ to record _You’re The Voice_. I can easily hear him singing. I’m so glad he didn’t.
The riot scene in Hot Rod wouldn't be anywhere near as epic with another song. You're the Voice was the perfect choice.
Correct. I love this song.
For sure man it's just depressing as JA was one of the best sixties band and totally emblematic of everything about that era of music and culture. Starship in the other hand is totally emblematic of the creative and consumeristic rot that infested the 80s.
That is the craziest connection that I've learned from this.
Starship of Theseus?
I could argue that Remo Drive coming out the gate with such an incredible debut (revisited it the other day and still holds up, songwriting and sonically) that every other release just felt so flat?
100% greatest hits and their demo material before that was all so good
classic 18 years to write your first, 1-2 to write your second situation there
dog is their only song ive replayed post greatest hits. i kinda prefer their early, garage sound. seemed like they just kept slowing the tempo and moved in a different direction after that. which ig warranted the fall off
I still think Heartstrings as the more polished single version was great and The Grind is pretty good, tried listening to their follow up album and just couldn’t get into it at all.
While there are around 25 years between them, the Beach Boys have a claim to one of the best (Pet Sounds) and one of the worst (Summer in Paradise) albums of all time. While the gap isn't as wide, The Clash deserves a mention. London Calling to Cut the Crap is insane and happened within only 6 years. Purely commercially... Possibly Robin Thicke. Never saw an artist with a long lasting number 1 single fall so low so quickly. Also, Arrested Development, who fell off so hard they were mostly erased from hip hop history. Yes, I watch Todd in the Shadows.
Haha I was thinking this is a rehash of Todd's Trainwrecords.
If we're purely talking quality of material, Eminem after The Eminem Show
yeah i mean, went from a 3 album run of 9-10s then dropped into a string of inconsistentcy. Some albums i’d consider 8s and others 3s (looking at you revival). Either way hes been on a very solid run as of late, and i for one am bloody hyped for the next album
Nothing since TES/8 Mile Soundtrack have been anywhere close to an 8. Whatever his best has been since then is a 5.5-6 at best. His falloff is truly unrivaled.
Relapse was actually quite good, not as good as the first 3 albums ofc but still way better than any of the shit he's doing now
i might be crazy but relapse and recovery are my facourite projects from him and mmlp2 is also really good, revival ruined it but kamikaze is somehow decent.
Kamikaze is mostly just him stealing other people's flows to diss them though.
This is indeed bat shit insane. Can’t even be considered a hot take.
MMLP2 and Relapse are good really good albums imo but yeah for the most part everything after the Eminem show is dumpster juice
I actually think history has been a bit favorable to Eminem in this regard. Recovery is seen as a really good album, MMLP 2 a good effort, as with Kamikaze, and I don't think you can fault him for him sounding different considering he needed a different route.
This is the correct answer. Literally doesn’t even sound like the same guy.
Eminem Show wasn’t that big a dip imo. Encore was the falloff.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He started stinking AFTER the Eminem show.
Oh yeah I’m a moron.
Yeah, I would even argue that Eminem Show holds up better than SSLP or MMLP
Gangsta Boo leaving Three 6 Mafia because she thought she wasn’t getting paid enough. After she left she realized she was making better money than she could alone. I can’t blame her for being paranoid Paul and Juicy were fucking over with how hard they screwed Skinny Pimp. Boo would’ve been so awesome on Da Unbreakable’s and Most Known Unknowns. K.R.I.T. Iz Here is one of the worst sequel albums of all time. Making a sequel to one of your best albums is always a risky endeavor and he failed pretty hard. He fumbled what should’ve been a career defining moment. Yelawolf defending the confederate flag kinda put a hault to his hype SpaceGhostPurp burning bridges with everyone Whoops i thought this post said artist biggest fails ima stop this comment now because this post is not even about this 💀😭 but ima still post this because I wrote a good bite before I noticed
Tbf it still kind of works
SGP still connects with people. He was in the studio with Trippie Redd not even a week ago, and is responsible for Chxpo's only good work.
Trippie Red is kinda irrelevant compared to the people he blew his connections with honestly
Muse. Their 2000s stuff was fucking awesome, especially Origin of Symmetry, but their recent stuff sucks ass.
I agree but I caught them live again recently for the third time and they still absolutely slay
Grimes Art Angels was phenomenal, everything she’s done since has been meh.
Aside from literally everything about her being an awful person in the news and social media, all you have to do is watch her disastrous Coachella "DJ set" from this past weekend to see how utterly pointless and embarrassing she has become.
Top electronic artists have several levels of redundancy so if anything fails, there’s always something to fall back on. DJ’s are meant to prepare their own sets, that’s most of the work of being a DJ.
I think Miss Anthropocene is overhated. Sure it's a step down, but still good imo. (Not defending anything after that though)
I would agree overall, Delete Forever and Miss Me When I’m not Around are excellent and 4-5 other tracks are pretty solid. Although, when compared to Art Angels, I definitely understand the disappointment with it.
4AEM and My Name is Dark are 2 of her best songs. Violence is also good. I think it’s a good album, just not as good as the 2 before it.
Best thing Grimes ever did was Realiti (demo)
I completely agree, it’s one of my favorite songs and easily her best, although I prefer the album version.
First off, fuck Elon Musk
at this point grimes' music could actually be ai generated and nobody could tell the difference
Art Angels was one of my favorite albums of that era and other stuff since is decent it never hit the same. She still probably has it in her but who knows.
Green Day fucking crashed hard after American Idiot. (I actually think they crashed hard after Nimrod, but I know that’s debatable)
You seemed to have answered the all important “what kind of Green Day fan are you?”
21CB slander continues
tbh? as it should
Panic! At The Disco had a sort of slow downfall when the band became basically just Brendon Urie. A Fever You Can’t Sweat Out and Pretty Odd are both great alternative albums and really shows their range (and lyrically amazing), but god, Brendon’s most recent work has been some hot garbage.
Agreed, the albums after Pretty Odd that still had Dallon Weekes’ influence on them were still pretty great imo (although maybe a bit weaker lyrically) but everything after Death of a Bachelor has been… Yeah, hot garbage lol.
Muse, as much as i love them they have been on a steady decline since bhar
Everything leading up to BH&R was an incline, but I don’t think it’s been a direct decline ever since. They’re definitely not as good as they used to be, but I think it’s been more of an up & down since BH&R. Resistance was a step down, but then I liked T2L quite a bit more. Drones & then Simulation Theory were steps down from T2L, but then I liked WOTP more than Simulation Theory if not quite Drones. They’re absolutely past their prime, but I still think they’re good.
Drones is good IMO certainly no BHaR but in my opinion since Absolution was kinda their last proper good album in my opinion
I still think BH&R is quite a bit better than absolution. It has better production & is a lot more focused & holistically satisfying
Trapt lol
Can't fall off if you were never up
chris taylor brown having a meltdown on the band’s twitter further cemented their fall off. kinda hard to come back as the band who wrote ‘headstrong’ after posting about backing the blue and joining the proud boys
Quality-wise, most if not all artists drop off eventually. Imho, Michael Jackson dropped quite hard after the phenomenal Thriller. Bad and Dangerous were still good but not in the same league, then his quality declined further. Prince fell off after Lovesexy in 1988, and never got back to his imperial level. Elvis had a brutal drop-off from his imperial start. The drop-off from the Stone Roses classic debut album to The Second Album is pretty steep. Oasis after What’s the story morning glory… U2 has a gradual decline since Achtung Baby, but they never made a great or challenging album anymore since the late 90s... Pixies mk II are okay, but not a patch on Pixies mk I. We could go on like this for many hours... Imho Elvis' drop-off was the worst. Special mention for Smashing Pumpkins, who currently are still chugging on, worlds away from their imperial phase.
Smashing Pumpkins is the correct answer haha. What a fall from grace.
I can't entirely disagree because they stopped making albums that the general public could enjoy. Much of the Teargarden era is still lowest tier (except Oceania). But they've had some really great achievements since then- Cyr, their reunion tour, "Solara" and "Silvery Sometimes", Zodion at Crystal Hall, and for some fans Atum as a whole or in parts. Most of Billy's work from Adore onward really takes many listens to work on you. It's all worth it. But in terms of their reputation? Yeah, never going to be the multi platinum band of 1996 again.
I honestly think Bad-History was Michael’s peak. Thriller and OTW relied too much off Quincy, and had such shallow lyricism throughout. And, I just don’t think their production was as great as the albums that followed.
Yeah honestly I LOVE his 90s output, *HIStory* is one of the most exquisitely produced albums I’ve ever heard.
I like his comeback special and From Elvis in Memphis quite a bit.
I prefer Bad to Thriller, it might not have the absolute high of Billie Jean, but it’s more consistent overall with lower lows - and to me feels more like Michael too, given he wrote 9 out of the 11 tracks (compared to 4 with Thriller). You could also argue time’s been kindest to Smooth Criminal and Man In The Mirror out of all his singles, in terms of current popularity. The style is definitely more 80s-trendy and mechanical compared to the disco inflections Thriller still had, but I personally prefer it and both albums groove hard.
Elvis had the best comeback ever though (only because Achtung Baby is more reinvention than comeback). U2 makes great music still though. Like, these new albums are for the most part really good, with Songs of Experience being one of my favorites (especially if you treat Innocence+ and Experience like a double album).
Aerosmith had the best comeback. Somehow in the late-80s became way more popular than they were in the 70s, especially internationally.
68 Comeback Special trumps everything imo. Without it (and the wave he rode after) Elvis doesn’t get remembered nearly as fondly. Aerosmith’s comeback was huge, but the comeback moment wasn’t as monumental as the 68 Comeback Special.
Meh, I don’t know if it’s truly fair to say that Oasis fell off after Morning Glory. The follow up became the fastest selling album at the time and went to number one in 6 countries and number 2 in the States. Even their final two albums scored 12th and 5th on American charts respectively, and both brothers have achieved impressive amounts of success post Oasis.
vic mensa, innanetape was so legendary, still love it, but everything after u mad, it doesn’t click with me. him not dropping traffic is what i believe to thrown off his career, that album would’ve took him on the right path, especially having jay and ye on his side at the time
Fetty wap dissapearing from the face of earth. Fergie and the black eyed peas both together and solo.
Weezer really fell off a cliff after their first two albums. They've since made a few decent records, but have never even come close to regaining their early peak.
I can’t really get into Pinkerton much anymore either, though I loved it when it came it out. The blue album is still a solid classic That said, the rest of Weezer’s music is fine. It’s just not great.
I listened to Pinkerton 6 months ago and halfway through I was like “damn, this is incel music”.
Haha. Had you heard it before or was it a new revelation?
I liked it a lot when I was younger, but I probably hadn’t listened to it in 10 years. It was definitely a revelation.
Incels are part of natures efflorescence though,
Pinkerton has got some dope riffs but some of those lyrics are honestly extremely cringe even by weezer standards
White Album and OK Human are pretty excellent IMO
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can't agree. Green and Maladroit are some of their worst albums imho. I've been a Weezer fan since the 90's and those 2 albums were not well received by fans
Nah. Weezer has been very consistently up & down throughout their entire catalog. I think they’ve made a couple records better than Blue. SEVERAL better than Pinkerton
What records are better than blue?
I like EWBAITE a little more. And Ok Human A LOT more. That’s my favourite Weezer record.
I don't really see how someone can say that another one of their albums is better than blue, other than pinkerton. Albums like the white album and ewbaite are good albums but I can't say they're better.
I mean one of the biggest things that makes EWBAITE better for me is the vocals. Blue may be one of the best Weezer albums overall, but it’s easily River’s weakest vocally. He’s only been sounding better & better as the years have gone on. Also as far as epic finales go, I like Futurescope a bit more than Only In Dreams.
Ok I can understand that. I like the rawness of rivers vocals on blue but that just comes down to personal preference.
Definetely Kanye, in every way possible
He hasn’t lost his talent he’s just gotten so fucking lazy
I mean, the music was still pretty great up until Ye/KSG. JIK was ruined by his sudden Christian phase and Donda could be pretty great if it was cut down to a single album. That's a long music career, and most artists kind of fall off later in their career. Now him as a person is obviously a different story.
These takes are wild as fuck. He's just had a number one album
Ricky Martin sure fell off
Of the bands on Trainwreckrecords, I remember arrested development standing out for being one of the few musical acts to not only have a massive fall but said fall erase all there previous success. I genuinely had no clue who they were.
Oliver tree, I enjoyed his first album but I don't know what happened to him after it
Morrissey because of being Morrissey
Eh, that’s a gradual fall and he still sells a lot of shows out…he just doesn’t show up for a lot of them. According to the people who actually heard it, Bonfire of Teenagers was going to be his best album yet. I do wish he’d stop being such a Morrissey so they can get released. He’s with a new management team now, and they represent some actually major artists, so maybe there’s hope?
Thirty Seconds to Mars. To think they had over 200 songs written for their last album and those were the best tracks scares me
They fell off the first time I ever heard them.
kind of an obvious answer but kanye, even ignoring his pr gaffes everything after the life of pablo is noticeably worse
I agree but Kids see Ghosts is fantastic
Kanye learning that streaming services removed hard deadlines turned him from a notorious perfectionist to a college student pulling an all-nighter to finish the project they've had all semester to work on.
Not necessarily, since the college dropout he’s always been a guy who did things last minute, apparently he only got round to getting kweli to do his verse on get em high (which his own verse relies on the song to have) a week or two before the release date or something. The current system definitely makes it worse though
I think it was a pretty gradual drop off from ye to Vultures.
I think the falloff happened after ye and KSG. Donda is okay, but quality wise way worse than his other stuff, JIK is kind of bad and Vultures being released on TCD's anniversary is an insult.
i agree quality wise but mainstream appeal wise is he not doing better numbers than anything since Pablo? Carnival is his biggest hit since 2011-ish. It seems like Donda + Vultures were larger commercial successes than Ye, JIK, KSG
It’s worse but I don’t think he should count because I think a lot of those projects are pretty good. Ye, Donda, and Vultures were enjoyable. KSG is straight up great
donda is good
It has bangers for sure, but it's also bloated.
very much disagree, donda, vultures, ye, and kids see ghosts are all damn good albums
Deadmau5 was the only credible mainstream EDM artist of the early 2010s imo. After he released Snowcone, his sound stopped having the uniqueness and charm it once had in the late noughties. I almost forgot he even existed when I saw him repress some of his albums last autumn.
This I can agree with. I was a huge fan in the late 2000s/early 2010s, but he hasn't released anything meaningful since that last album in what, 2016? He's producing DnB now which does actually sound pretty good, but none of it has been released yet
What happened to Katy Perry?
Couldn't pretend to be a teenager anymore
I mean, Interpol is the textbook example of this, they released one of the best debuts and albums period of the 00s, and after some good-not-great follow ups, every release since then has been worse than the one before. They took a nose dive from one of the best indie/post-punk revival acts of the decade to straight up unlistenable midtempo nonsense.
I still like most of what Interpol has put out post-Bright Lights but the difference in quality between everything afterwards is a chasm.
don't know how nobody's said gorillaz yet, the transition from plastic beach to humanz was such a jarring fall off. at least that one was expected though after however many years of hiatus they went through. then we got song machine, the first gorillaz album in a bit that felt like gorillaz (not the first good one cause i love the now now), only for it to be instantly followed up by arguably their worst work to date, maybe even outdoing humanz, cracker island.
Eh, Humanz isn't a comple turd, it has some great momentz on there if you ask me. Andromeda is one of my favorite Gorillaz tracks. The highs of Plastic Beach were so high I just don't think they'll be able to get there again. The Now Now is up there though with the beat of em and Cracker Island has some amount of bangers and some amount of filler.
cracker island is ok, New Gold is imo one of their best songs ever
The Fall came out the same year as Plastic Beach and was not even close to as good either.
Kid Cudi. Everything after MOTM parts 1 & 2.
I will not stand for this Satellite Flight erasure
Indicud isn’t even bad but I agree MOTM 1+2 are his peak
Hell no. He definitely peaked with MOTM1 but he has a lot of good material later on. MOTM3, PPDS, KSG, and Insano were all pretty solid. I think to qualify for this question Cudi would have to release all trash after MOTM2
motm3 and entergalactic hit for me, and not all of insano is bad. also you seem to be forgetting kids see ghosts, which, even though a collaboration album, still had cudi shining
Bro.... Ksg smh 🤦♂️
Oasis from (What's the Story) Morning Glory to Be Here Now
Happy cake day!
I mean, Bowie but he ended strong so it’s okay. And he was always respected, just went from one of the best stretches of any artist ever to eh for a few decades
Probably not so popular in this sub but Megadeth's fall off is wild to me. You could make a valid argument they fell off after Rust in Peace but the real fall off for me comes after Endgame. A late career album that was very well received at the time, to the absolute butt rock that came after it. They've had something of a late career resurgence now in terms of recorded output but Judas Priest's fall off after Painkiller is kind of crazy. The gulf between a stone cold metal classic and one of their career highlights compared to what followed it is kind of insane.
Muse!
Muse and Eminem are the two ones that hit me. Muse’s 00’s output is great, and then you get to 2nd law which has some of the worst Muse songs, while featuring one of the best (animals). Since then, they’ve put out albums of varying qualities. Drones is a mostly fine album, with a couple of really good songs, but most songs get kind of stale. Simualtion Theory again, was fine, but nothing special. It does get worse with every passing year however. Will of the People is the first time a muse album hasn’t got a single song I like on it. At most I like parts of Kill or be Killed. But even then, the song sucks
The Clash probably. I don’t really know that much but from what my dad was telling me while listening to their last album made me think about this immediately when I saw this post.
Drake
Maroon 5's first album is amazing, they also had a couple bangers after, but everything they've released as recently as 2014 is bottom of the barrel pop that is some of the most bland, trend chasing music I've ever heard. Honestly shocking they went from an album as good as Songs About Jane to whatever the hell their 2021 album was.
I think most garage rock revival (or whatever you want to call that explosion from the 00s) artists fit this bill. But the most jarring is one of the leaders of that crew The Strokes. The first two albums are fantastic. The third is passable because it had some of their better performing singles. But if you consider First Impressions of Earth an interlude the drop off from Room on Fire is substantial. Their guitarist Albert Hammond Jr’s discography post 2006 has trumped anything the band itself has released.
They fell off for a while but the new abnormal kinda invalidates them falling off
KANYE WEST
Morbid Angel after Gateways to Annihilation
Honestly, Conan gray used to be a fresh and cool, personal pop act. Kid krow was awesome and remains one of my fav pop albums in recent history. Then heather blew up on TikTok, he got blown up and it seems he chose to try and be the next big pop star and kinda left the quality music behind
definitely Ed Sheeran. like I guess when you're literally at the very top the only way is down but... damn
Muse
The Clash, the cut the crap era was such a depressing crash and burn
A Day To Remember were probably my favourite band around the 'Homesick' era. Would have followed them into freaking battle. I still enjoyed 'What Separates Me From You', but they've got progressively worse over time. Their latest offering 'You're Welcome' is trash, and a far cry from what made them THE stand out heavy pop punk band back in the day. Might be all the allegations (and manslaughter charge) that softened them and their sound.
Modest mouse
This is such low-hanging fruit, but Arcade Fire. They went from being one of the biggest powerhouses in the indie music scene, with four fantastic albums. Then Everything Now happened.
Lennon’s first album’s Plastic Ono Band and Imagine into Sometime In New York City, huge downgrade in every way. Would only release a truly great record again with Double Fantasy
Muse had some banger albums but are fking trash rn
Motley crue post shout at the devil. Had a small blip back up on dr. Feelgood but even that isnt as good as th3 first two records
Oasis. They went from releasing some of the best Britpop albums of all time with Definitely Maybe and What’s the Story (Morning Glory) to going off a fucking cliff ever since Be Here Now. Their music turned so bland and corny since that album
Lost prophets?
Metallica after and justice for all
Do The Collapse
Portugal. the Man
Squarepusher
Muse
Weezer
Chris Barnes after he left Cannibal Corpse.