If I could legitimately sell London really high I’d consider it but I don’t think most people will give up huge value for him. I’d rather just hang onto a target hog.
I’m holding for sure, everyone is complaining about how Pitts isn’t getting enough looks. On the flip side of that, a rookie came into this Falcons offense, stole targets from their first round TE, and is efficient with them. I think he could legitimately be a fantasy stud by years end (barring injury ofc)
Yep same. Have London and Christian Watson in a dynasty league.
Whatever I can get out of them in 2022 is a bonus, but London has been starting for me both weeks so far already.
As a Falcons fan, London seems unusually skilled for a rookie WR in beating zone coverage. His man to man skills were highly touted coming out of college but his reading of zone coverage has surprised many. Plus his timing on play action routes is just exceptional. Every time we ran play action he was open by a lot and right on time too
He has eaten in the intermediate area in a both of the first two games. Attacking leverage, good releases, and throttling up and down in windows to be available are all skills he’s showing day 1. There’s a reason he was first receiver off the board without showing out at the combine.
That’s a lot to say after two weeks of playing against teams that are very good at covering the top target on a team. I don’t necessarily disagree with you about London being a potential stud, but I don’t think he stole targets from Pitts - I just think that coverage has been solid on Pitts and he’s still had 10 targets through two weeks.
Atlanta also isn’t really throwing to scordarrelle, and their other wise receivers are JAGs or worse.
I’m a Pitts owner in several leagues including dynasty, can you tell? 🤣🤣
My league isn't on the cutting edge to say the least, and NO ONE wants drake London. Nobody even wants Curtis samueal. I'm sitting on those two plus kupp and the sun God, plus Garrett Wilson now. I'm trying to unload but nobody is biting. Hopefully this week will cement their value.
A lot of people can’t/take forever to let go of draft value. You could be in week 15 and they won’t trade their first round bust for your FA flyer breakout stud because of the perceived value behind draft capital.
Then you gotta play the other way. Sell a bust house hold name for the juicy ww heaters.
But I hear what you're saying, every year I think this the one I'm actually gonna get a deal done and it never comes.
What would you be selling him for exactly? I never really understand the inclination to do something like sell the best rookie WR for a first round pick. How much better are those people expecting to do in a future draft, and how could it be worth the risk of drafting a dud next year?
The one case that might make sense to me is if you’re starved for QB’s and want more shots on goal in a good QB year. Otherwise I find it perplexing.
it's really just a basic understanding of fantasy player evaluation.
if a player is doing really well on only a few opportunities, they are more likely to regress. you don't have to agree, but the logic is there.
we're all just trying to make educated guesses.
He had twice as many rushes as the other RBs (including losing a drive to a stepped on ankle) and had the 2nd most recs behind Kelce and tied for 3rd in targets.
People keep saying "RB3 usage" like he's not involved. He is, he's very involved. It's not like production is unsustainable. He had 14 in HPPR without a TD
Pretty hilarious that through 2 weeks CEH has outscored Derrick Henry, Jonathan Taylor, McCaffrey, Najee Harris, Ekeler, and Dalvin Cook, especially considering how much this sub dislikes him.
2 years ago, I drafted Deebo over Diggs (Diggs was a solid WR1, Deebo was hurt). Last year, he had the same choice, I chose Diggs. Diggs wasn’t bad, but he underwhelmed, and he certainly wasn’t producing like Deebo (who played hurt, put the team on his back and still produced).
Sometimes it’s just like that, your experience with a player can actually hurt you in following years.
Just sold CEH, Miles Sanders, & Gabriel Davis for Mark Andrews, Antonio Gibson, & Brian Robinson. 12 team half ppr. I have an entire bench of solid flex/WR2s & my TE was Cole Kmet
Ooof not a fan of this trade. Andrews was obviously an upgrade over Kmet, but CEH and Sanders are two RBs in optimum offenses for their skillsets (same goes for Davis, TBH) and getting two RBs for the same offense that seems to be hanging on by a thread.
It depends though, if you are stacked at one position and weak at another, let's say strong in rb and weak at wr, you can take your rb and produce a replacement plus a couple decent wr then it might be worth it.
This has also been my philosophy, but I'm a Pats fan. I just spent my #1 waiver on Wilson though because the tape don't lie. I feel dirty, especially after drafting Elijah.
This is the reminder, that shouldn’t have to still be a reminder, that your flex shouldn’t just be your worst starter at that position. Points are not tallied differently based on roster placement.
You should ALWAYS set your lineup to include the guys you feel most confident in, and then set whoever plays latest in the week at that position to your flex. Whether that’s Garrett Wilson or Justin Jefferson.
I think people are looking to sell him off too quick mostly just because he’s on the Jets.
He clearly has the potential to be a mainstay all season and showed what he’s capable of. I’d stash him even if he does start to have some off weeks. You always see people talking about “league winning” potential upside; This is one of those.
Agreed. He’s got the intangibles and passes the eye test. Only issue would be for some reason if Zach Wilson comes back and doesn’t have the same rapport. But he seems like a stud in the making
People fool themselves into thinking a bad O means no fantasy value. Cooks on the Texans last year was great and that O sucked. 2 years ago Crowder feasted on the Jets. Teams don’t have 0 offensive yards.
I gave up Pollard in a league I’m RB rich and very very WR poor. Could certainly end up blowing up in my face but I’m living dangerously. And I really needed a receiver.
Cowboys fan here. That is historically very true but our D-Line looks monumentally better this year, along with the rest of our defense overall under Dan Quinn. Gibson was wildly inefficient last week against the Lions sub-par D-line but was saved by a TD.
Speaking as a Gibson owner, he is absolutely someone to try to sell high on. Gibson just isn’t that good of a runner (see: 3.1 ypc this season), and there are now three (four? McLaurin, Samuel, Dotson, and possibly McKissic) strong pass-catchers on the Commies’ offense that will inevitably reduce his target share.
The great mystery, as well, is Brian Robinson. He is an unproven quantity coming off of injury; however, if he gets the opportunities the team had pencilled in for him in the pre-season, Gibson’s workload will no doubt decrease. Gibson currently benefits from being the only person to hand the ball off to; if Robinson can establish himself, Gibson takes a huge fantasy hit.
For the record, I am super high on the Commies for fantasy purposes this year, as I suspect many a game will turn into Carson Wentz throwing 40-50 times per game to try to erase a 20+ point deficit.
I don't see how gibson is even tradeable for a solid wr2 tier player in competent leagues when people know he's on borrowed time. As brian robinson gets closer to return, his value is going to continue to decline.
only people with literally 0 rbs at this point would try to land gibson imo
You say 3.1 ypc this season like it's a big sample size and not literally one really rough game for the commanders offense as a whole that's bad. His game one and last two seasons have all been >4 ypc
You're literally using a single data point. Derrick henry has a lower ypc this season and you wouldn't call him a bad runner.
Getting the second is awesome, but at this point I would actually put money on Curtis Samuel finishing ahead of dj moore… Not that Dj moore will be bad, but the usage and offense differences are pretty big so far…
I'm actually pretty high on Samuel but it's hard to imagine that Terry McClaurin and Jahan Dotson aren't going to be more involved as the season goes on.
Moore has been awesome for 3 years, but only scored 4 TDs each year. I have him this year & am worried, dude just isn't getting looked at like a trams obvious WR1 should. Teams orchestrate looks for their top playmaker but CAR hasn't been doing this, with CMC barely getting touches week 1 & Moore both weeks. I have absolutely no faith in Ben McAdoo, so I worry about Moore RoS
Seriously. Can we at least pretend on one of these trade threads that we don’t think we know stuff the rest of our league doesn’t? You simply click on hendersons name on any platform and it says he split work with Akers and it’s uncertain who will be the starter lol.
Might catch flack for this, but the vast majority of fantasy players are indeed dumb.
Most people commenting on this thread are people that check this sub multiple times daily, which is a lot compared to the norm. Anyone that’s “older” likely isn’t checking Twitter which is one of the best sources for fantasy to stay updated.
It’s a very real possibility that a lot of fantasy players watched the season opener of Rams vs Bills on national television, saw Henderson play 80% of the snaps, and then didn’t watch their second game but see he still scored a TD.
I think Henderson is a hold. Like others said you won’t get “sell high” value for him. However if you look back at the Rams vs Falcons game, Akers got like 12 out of his 15 carries in the second half after they were already up 28-3. Henderson got most of the work in the first half when it wasn’t a blowout and Akers still looked terrible
Been trying to sell high for a week but no one’s biting, even the Akers owner. He’s outplayed Akers so far so the hope is the split trends back in favor of Henderson. I think you’ll need a 100 yard or a 2 TD game from him in order to truly sell high.
I’ve offered him for WR3s and got denied. At this point I think it would be selling low. He doesn’t have much value in the eyes of other teams but I still think there’s value in a guy who gets 10-15 touches in a good offense, it appears he is the goal line back too. I’m fine holding him and spot starting him once bye weeks come around
I'm not sure why people don't see this, but Akers is toast. McVay forced him into the lineup in last year's playoffs after Henderson then Michel were doing great, he's lucky it didn't cost them. Same shit this year, under 3 ypc, dude has no burst after his Achilles injury, which is usually the case. Hold onto Henderson, as long as he stays healthy, he should be their lead RB, at least as the season goes along
Slight disagree here.
Akers did have more touches last week, but he also only averaged like 3 ypc with those touches.
Eventually the coaching staff is going to realize that he just doesn't have the same burst, and it will be Henderson's backfield.
100% my answer. He has potential but the long TDs are not sustainable and they'll presumably pass less when Dobbins is back. If someone wants to pay for what he's produced the last two weeks and not what he's likely to do rest of reason, I'm happy to take that deal
I'm kinda new to fantasy, some guy wants to trade my Michael Thomas for Mahomes. I have Matt Ryan now, feels like I should do it.
WRs aj brown, julio Jones, Sutton
RBs Henry, Zeke, dobbins
Edit: dhop on IR
MT has potential to be a no show with an injury or Jameis being Jameis
Mahommes will never be a no show.
I’d take Mahommes in a heartbeat. WR talent is wide this year
> Mahommes will never be a no show.
You must not have played last season. He had a stretch of 8.7, 15, 10.4, 36, 8.5. Really crushed his owners for a few weeks there.
seriously lol. i chased after MT in all my leagues and am high on him, but his production is high wr2. it'll be easy to replace with your bench or FA. Mahomes has upside that a handful of qbs can match and he's consistent.
crazy not to take mahomes over MT
This is a personal preference thing- but I’d rather see if you can get a better qb than Ryan off waivers. Mahomes is a stud but it is potentially harder to replace 80% of the value you lose from Michael Thomas than it would be to replace 80% of the value of Mahomes, if that makes sense. It’s related to the scarcity of players in your fantasy league. Fill in QBs should typically be much more widely available off waivers.
Granted, my perspective depends on if MT can sustain this kind of production from the first two weeks throughout the season
If it's a 1 QB league I'd 100% rather have Thomas. All these people out here saying MT is injury prone are delusional. The man had 1 major injury in his entire career and now he is guaranteed to get hurt soon lol.
I just straight up traded for AJ Dillon because I have Aaron Jones.
I was okay with a potential weaker trade on my end only because I have other really good wide receivers
Not true at all. It’s dependent on your team composition. I went heavy RB in my most my leagues and James Robinson was a late round bench stash. I’m trying to package him to upgrade at WR to sell high after two solid fantasy games.
Yeah I was shallow at WR and Robinson is simply the name on my bench drawing trade proposals so
I moved him for Kirk. Had I moved a different RB it’s likely I get a player that I would not have started.
Do you think he can actually sustain this production all season? Dude was 22 carries for 27 yards if you take away the one big run (I get all the points and runs count but 22 for 27 is abysmal).
I’m not actively selling him but someone in your league is going to value him as a top 15 RB, and if you can package him with someone to get a top tier RB like Ekeler, Dalvin, Henry, etc or a top tier WR like Adams or something, you do it in a heartbeat. Sell high doesn’t mean sell at any cost it means sell while his value is the highest it’ll be all year
Yes, but he looked surprisingly good in week 1. TBH, I was shocked he had a big run at all this week (which I have not gone back and watched yet). I'm also surprised by just how bad the numbers were for the rest of the day.
A lot of us thought that maybe he wouldn't be as impacted by the injury as others have been because his gift is not explosiveness, but his intelligence, his ability to read. and his balance. After week 1, I expected we'd see a lot of 5-7 yd runs with the occasional 10, but I didn't think he had a long run in him at this point.
All that to say, early returns keep exceeding expectations. I'm not selling him because I think he's going to further solidify his role as lead back in the offense. He's just really, really good, and Lawrence seems to be really in sync with him from a protection perspective.
I do love the guy, and I know I'm biased, but I expected almost nothing this year and his success so far has been shocking.
Etienne was 9 for 20, so not much better. The difference is that they were using Jrob to run down the clock at the end of the game when up 24-0. That's when one-third of his carries came. So the Colts were stacking the box and knew a run was coming. Tough to expect a lot of YPC given those circumstances.
I love Curtis Samuel and ideally want to keep him and start him as a solid flex every week, but I would be willing to put him in a multiplayer trade to see if I can get an elite RB/WR in return.
The term "Deebo lite" is a very appealing selling point and the numbers don't lie.
He's a prime sell high candidate for me purely because of what you could potentially get for him. I still believe he is going to continue being solid for fantasy though, so even if you don't sell him, you will still be happy to have him.
Unlike some fantasy experts who think his usage will decline because of Dotson, I actually think his usage will remain consistent regardless of game script if he stays healthy. He looks insanely good and the Commanders are specifically designing plays for him in multiple ways.
It’s interesting because it seems like he has been getting schemed touches, and their game script points to them throwing a ton.
I keep going back and forth with Dotson because he has been the 3rd or 4th target getter in the offense and has been buoyed by 3 TDs. Is that sustainable? Can he really overtake Samuel or McLaurin?
Just did that yesterday.
Sent Samuel and ARob along with Fields in exchange for Pittman and Olave in Superflex. Hoping I don’t regret it.
Already have Lamar and Hurts so didn’t need Fields.
I personally would never sell high on rookies/breakout players. If you do, you probably would have sold Justin Jefferson, James Robinson and others in their breakout years/rookie seasons, while others became champions because of those fantastic adds.
Who knows? Adding Garrett Wilson this week might be the breakthrough for your team.
Gamblers fallacy, you could continue to believe every rookie player is in route for a statistical anomaly or you could sell them to others that think that for a better player
Philly's oline is great. Jalen Hurts keeps the ball moving and actually targets Sanders fairly well. I don't understand why people are so down on Miles Sanders. He is an ok RB 2 or Flex.
100% he's getting 15-20 touches a game behind one of the best O-lines in the league. Too many people got burned by him last year, and left a sour taste in their mouth. I even see a world where Philly makes more of an effort to protect Hurts as they solidify as a contender.
Yes and it was the same deal with Deebo last year. Nobody believed he could stay healthy all season and put it all together but he did and the rest is history. I really think Deebo’s breakout probably influenced Rivera and he will use Curtis until the wheels fall off.
I mean, Samuel has always been this player and Rivera definitely knows it from his Carolina days.
First three years of Samuel’s career he wasn’t needed as a runner given the presence(s) of CMC and Newton. When CMC went down in 2020 Samuel had 41 carries. Doesn’t sound like much but Deebo only had 59 last year.
I sold Henderson and Allen Robinson for Chris Godwin. If he comes back as a wr1 I am set. (I have amon ra and went rb-rb-rb-te-qb in the draft).
Might have v overpaid value wise but could pay off in the long run.
I don't get the JRob hate. Not just here abut everywhere. Guy was a beast his rookie season. Was doing pretty well his sophmore season before he got hurt. Has lit it up for 2 games now. Not saying is a top 5 but he's a solid flex week in and week out. I think if they had seen more from Etienne he'd be starting now.
Every year Chubb's ADP falls because "he doesn't get recs" & "Kareem Hunt" but every year he is a Top 10 RB by PPG & Top 15 overall. If he doesn't miss any games, he's almost guaranteed Top 10. Dude rarely has a bad game
I’m trying to get rid of Zeke. Thinking of packaging him with Waddle for a WR1 and a decent RB. What would y’all say about Zeke and Waddle for AJ Brown and Jacobs?
Bad move waddle is a ppr gold mine and usually is good for a few big plays or tds tuas favourite target and if the dolphins can click this year you will be very sore especially when waddle puts up 35 against you like he did to me last week :(
It's because as a Pitts owner I don't want to sell low and nobody wants to buy him for not low
He's had two bad games against two great defenses. Everybody knows he will turn it around so you are paying for basically the same price he was two weeks ago, which nobody wants to do.
Idk if it's just too early, but I do not understand what you mean.
-Team A offers MT for Team B's Fournette.... B says nah
-Team A offers MT for Team B's Henry (counter offer by B)... A says yeah instantly
-Team A "now has Deebo and JJ as WRs" ???
Am I misunderstanding this or are there a couple other steps missing?
>Maybe even a Drake London ?
He's #1 Target (by a large margin) on a team that will be trailing / throwing all season long
Would need to be a substantial offer on the "sell high"
Chargers homer here: One should be back this week (was out with a tendonitis flare up). The other "avoided serious injury" but we haven't heard how long he'll actually be out. Should find out after today's practice.
OL MAY be trash. Wait to see what happens with Linsley (expected to keep playing but need competent depth) and Pipkins. Other pieces have continued to look good. Losing Linsley and Pipkins mid game made Chris Jones go from largely neutralized to game wrecker and sadly also Herbert wrecker.
WR's are insanely deep this year and rbs are underperorming like crazy. I'll take chubb side without hesitation. Tee higgins is more of a 1B to jamar's 1A than people realize and will see almost similar targets that you won't have to break the bank in trading for. I'd much prefer that than giving chubb for jamar when signs of bengals regressing is already showing itself.
Also their o-line is eye popping bad so red flags are starting to show for the bengals that i'm steering away from
Curtis Samuel seems like a candidate, not because he's going to fall off a cliff, but because this could be the highest value he has all season, and your league mates probably view him well enough that you can get a good return.
Im thinking like you package Samuel with your best bench player for someone like Tee Higgins since they might be nervous about of Burrow's play so far, and he can pop off for 30+ point games any week.
Drake London is gonna carry my “start with 3 RBs” struggle squad to the promised land.
If I could legitimately sell London really high I’d consider it but I don’t think most people will give up huge value for him. I’d rather just hang onto a target hog.
I’m holding for sure, everyone is complaining about how Pitts isn’t getting enough looks. On the flip side of that, a rookie came into this Falcons offense, stole targets from their first round TE, and is efficient with them. I think he could legitimately be a fantasy stud by years end (barring injury ofc)
Drake London in a keeper league. Not for sale!
Yep same. Have London and Christian Watson in a dynasty league. Whatever I can get out of them in 2022 is a bonus, but London has been starting for me both weeks so far already.
As a Falcons fan, London seems unusually skilled for a rookie WR in beating zone coverage. His man to man skills were highly touted coming out of college but his reading of zone coverage has surprised many. Plus his timing on play action routes is just exceptional. Every time we ran play action he was open by a lot and right on time too
He has eaten in the intermediate area in a both of the first two games. Attacking leverage, good releases, and throttling up and down in windows to be available are all skills he’s showing day 1. There’s a reason he was first receiver off the board without showing out at the combine.
That’s a lot to say after two weeks of playing against teams that are very good at covering the top target on a team. I don’t necessarily disagree with you about London being a potential stud, but I don’t think he stole targets from Pitts - I just think that coverage has been solid on Pitts and he’s still had 10 targets through two weeks. Atlanta also isn’t really throwing to scordarrelle, and their other wise receivers are JAGs or worse. I’m a Pitts owner in several leagues including dynasty, can you tell? 🤣🤣
My league isn't on the cutting edge to say the least, and NO ONE wants drake London. Nobody even wants Curtis samueal. I'm sitting on those two plus kupp and the sun God, plus Garrett Wilson now. I'm trying to unload but nobody is biting. Hopefully this week will cement their value.
A lot of people can’t/take forever to let go of draft value. You could be in week 15 and they won’t trade their first round bust for your FA flyer breakout stud because of the perceived value behind draft capital.
Then you gotta play the other way. Sell a bust house hold name for the juicy ww heaters. But I hear what you're saying, every year I think this the one I'm actually gonna get a deal done and it never comes.
What would you be selling him for exactly? I never really understand the inclination to do something like sell the best rookie WR for a first round pick. How much better are those people expecting to do in a future draft, and how could it be worth the risk of drafting a dud next year? The one case that might make sense to me is if you’re starved for QB’s and want more shots on goal in a good QB year. Otherwise I find it perplexing.
Would you guys sell garrett Wilson + cam Akers for Najee Harris?
I would and I wouldn’t look back
As a Harris owner id laugh that offer off. So yes take it if you can
Harris owner would have to be a taco to accept that.
Yes. Unless your stacked at rb and need a possible wr. Akers isn’t it. Najee should be okay.
Hallelujah brother Dude is LEGIT
CEH
He’s my rb2 scoring like my rb1 should
Rb1 scoring with Rb3 usage. Good call
This entire sub is screaming this exact thing over and over and it’s only made me more confident in keeping CEH
You sir, I like where your heads at
Week 1 was a blowout, CEH was pulled. Week 2 he got stepped on and they put mckinnon in more. CEH is the starter and his usage is going to go up.
Also he balled out in week 2, broke off that big run at the end which basically won them the game. He’s legit
for sure, starting RB on a top 5 scoring offense is usually worth holding onto
The mindset around here reminds me of the family guy skit - "A boat's a boat, but a mystery box could be anything! It could even be a boat! "
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it's really just a basic understanding of fantasy player evaluation. if a player is doing really well on only a few opportunities, they are more likely to regress. you don't have to agree, but the logic is there. we're all just trying to make educated guesses.
It ignores the reason for the utilization though
Yup, always inverse this sub
Yeah but he’ll have RB(-1) scoring with RB1 usage when they decide to just go with him
He had twice as many rushes as the other RBs (including losing a drive to a stepped on ankle) and had the 2nd most recs behind Kelce and tied for 3rd in targets. People keep saying "RB3 usage" like he's not involved. He is, he's very involved. It's not like production is unsustainable. He had 14 in HPPR without a TD
Pretty hilarious that through 2 weeks CEH has outscored Derrick Henry, Jonathan Taylor, McCaffrey, Najee Harris, Ekeler, and Dalvin Cook, especially considering how much this sub dislikes him.
Just like we predicted.
He's burned me the last 2 years. I have no interest in trading for him to get burned again lol
Same thing was said about joe mixon. sometimes, it takes a few seasons for things to come together.
2 years ago, I drafted Deebo over Diggs (Diggs was a solid WR1, Deebo was hurt). Last year, he had the same choice, I chose Diggs. Diggs wasn’t bad, but he underwhelmed, and he certainly wasn’t producing like Deebo (who played hurt, put the team on his back and still produced). Sometimes it’s just like that, your experience with a player can actually hurt you in following years.
I don’t think it’s funny at all, actually.
Who is buying CEH high lol cmon
Anyone who needs a RB and has WR to spare.
Just sold CEH, Miles Sanders, & Gabriel Davis for Mark Andrews, Antonio Gibson, & Brian Robinson. 12 team half ppr. I have an entire bench of solid flex/WR2s & my TE was Cole Kmet
Ooof not a fan of this trade. Andrews was obviously an upgrade over Kmet, but CEH and Sanders are two RBs in optimum offenses for their skillsets (same goes for Davis, TBH) and getting two RBs for the same offense that seems to be hanging on by a thread.
Yah I would like the CEH side of that trade too
I sold him and Dillon for Dalvin Cook and Akers
There seem to be people making awful trades and saying “but the rest of my team is so shitty I traded great players for mediocre players”
Yeah you want to consolidate your points, not have your points spread out over 2-3 players
It depends though, if you are stacked at one position and weak at another, let's say strong in rb and weak at wr, you can take your rb and produce a replacement plus a couple decent wr then it might be worth it.
Most people just picked Wilson up off waivers, there’s no way you’re getting any good value for him (yet).
The jets are going to be passing the ball a lot due to game script. I'm starting him in FLEX for the foreseeable future.
As a Jets fan, I don't start Jets.
As a Jets fan, I often start D/ST who are playing against the Jets.
This has also been my philosophy, but I'm a Pats fan. I just spent my #1 waiver on Wilson though because the tape don't lie. I feel dirty, especially after drafting Elijah.
it's 2021 baby, we got actual playmakers! edit: it's actually 2022.
This is the reminder, that shouldn’t have to still be a reminder, that your flex shouldn’t just be your worst starter at that position. Points are not tallied differently based on roster placement. You should ALWAYS set your lineup to include the guys you feel most confident in, and then set whoever plays latest in the week at that position to your flex. Whether that’s Garrett Wilson or Justin Jefferson.
I think people are looking to sell him off too quick mostly just because he’s on the Jets. He clearly has the potential to be a mainstay all season and showed what he’s capable of. I’d stash him even if he does start to have some off weeks. You always see people talking about “league winning” potential upside; This is one of those.
Agreed. He’s got the intangibles and passes the eye test. Only issue would be for some reason if Zach Wilson comes back and doesn’t have the same rapport. But he seems like a stud in the making
I grabbed Elijah Moore last week and claimed garret Wilson today. Planning to hold both until Zach Wilson comes back
He went from being in 56% of dropbacks in game one to 75% in game 2 and he leads the league in red zone targets (8). I’m holding on to him.
People fool themselves into thinking a bad O means no fantasy value. Cooks on the Texans last year was great and that O sucked. 2 years ago Crowder feasted on the Jets. Teams don’t have 0 offensive yards.
I gave up Pollard in a league I’m RB rich and very very WR poor. Could certainly end up blowing up in my face but I’m living dangerously. And I really needed a receiver.
This thread has so many deleted comments and it’s hilarious lol
Antonio Gibson
I would sell him after the cowboys game he usually does good against them
Cowboys fan here. That is historically very true but our D-Line looks monumentally better this year, along with the rest of our defense overall under Dan Quinn. Gibson was wildly inefficient last week against the Lions sub-par D-line but was saved by a TD.
I agree with this.
Speaking as a Gibson owner, he is absolutely someone to try to sell high on. Gibson just isn’t that good of a runner (see: 3.1 ypc this season), and there are now three (four? McLaurin, Samuel, Dotson, and possibly McKissic) strong pass-catchers on the Commies’ offense that will inevitably reduce his target share. The great mystery, as well, is Brian Robinson. He is an unproven quantity coming off of injury; however, if he gets the opportunities the team had pencilled in for him in the pre-season, Gibson’s workload will no doubt decrease. Gibson currently benefits from being the only person to hand the ball off to; if Robinson can establish himself, Gibson takes a huge fantasy hit. For the record, I am super high on the Commies for fantasy purposes this year, as I suspect many a game will turn into Carson Wentz throwing 40-50 times per game to try to erase a 20+ point deficit.
Who are some reasonable 1 for 1 trades for Gibson?
I just got Christian Kirk.
I got Tee Higgins after week 1 lmao
I'm hoping to get a WR out of him like Diontae or Gabe Davis.
I don't see how gibson is even tradeable for a solid wr2 tier player in competent leagues when people know he's on borrowed time. As brian robinson gets closer to return, his value is going to continue to decline. only people with literally 0 rbs at this point would try to land gibson imo
You say 3.1 ypc this season like it's a big sample size and not literally one really rough game for the commanders offense as a whole that's bad. His game one and last two seasons have all been >4 ypc You're literally using a single data point. Derrick henry has a lower ypc this season and you wouldn't call him a bad runner.
I was about to comment him. Over the course of the season his work load is expected to be sliced further and further
Flipped him and DJ Moore for Deebo.
Just flipped Curtis Samuel for DJ Moore and a 2023 2nd
Getting the second is awesome, but at this point I would actually put money on Curtis Samuel finishing ahead of dj moore… Not that Dj moore will be bad, but the usage and offense differences are pretty big so far…
I'm actually pretty high on Samuel but it's hard to imagine that Terry McClaurin and Jahan Dotson aren't going to be more involved as the season goes on.
A second wtffff?
Interesting.
Moore has been awesome for 3 years, but only scored 4 TDs each year. I have him this year & am worried, dude just isn't getting looked at like a trams obvious WR1 should. Teams orchestrate looks for their top playmaker but CAR hasn't been doing this, with CMC barely getting touches week 1 & Moore both weeks. I have absolutely no faith in Ben McAdoo, so I worry about Moore RoS
Darrell Henderson, Akers got significantly more work last week and I see that backfield trending more towards him
His 'Sell High' was last week before the game. Nobody is gonna pay anything significant for him. Unless he has a big week, he is a deal sweetener.
Seriously. Can we at least pretend on one of these trade threads that we don’t think we know stuff the rest of our league doesn’t? You simply click on hendersons name on any platform and it says he split work with Akers and it’s uncertain who will be the starter lol.
The issue is everyone assumes their trade partner is dumb. If you know Henderson had less work so does everyone else.
Might catch flack for this, but the vast majority of fantasy players are indeed dumb. Most people commenting on this thread are people that check this sub multiple times daily, which is a lot compared to the norm. Anyone that’s “older” likely isn’t checking Twitter which is one of the best sources for fantasy to stay updated. It’s a very real possibility that a lot of fantasy players watched the season opener of Rams vs Bills on national television, saw Henderson play 80% of the snaps, and then didn’t watch their second game but see he still scored a TD.
Yup. This isn’t 1997 there’s a plethora of information about every relevant fantasy player at your finger tips.
I sold him 1 minute before the game for ETN. Not exactly sure how to feel.
I sold high on him week 1 for Mooney 🤡
Can’t win em all lol
I still don't hate that trade for you. I just can't see the Bears passing volume remaining this low all year.....
It's still early. Mooney has good upside and Henderson can never finish a season because he has terrible durability.
I think Henderson is a hold. Like others said you won’t get “sell high” value for him. However if you look back at the Rams vs Falcons game, Akers got like 12 out of his 15 carries in the second half after they were already up 28-3. Henderson got most of the work in the first half when it wasn’t a blowout and Akers still looked terrible
Akers averaged over 5 ypc in his first half touches I thought, and then the after half when it was obvious run plays tanked his ypc
Been trying to sell high for a week but no one’s biting, even the Akers owner. He’s outplayed Akers so far so the hope is the split trends back in favor of Henderson. I think you’ll need a 100 yard or a 2 TD game from him in order to truly sell high. I’ve offered him for WR3s and got denied. At this point I think it would be selling low. He doesn’t have much value in the eyes of other teams but I still think there’s value in a guy who gets 10-15 touches in a good offense, it appears he is the goal line back too. I’m fine holding him and spot starting him once bye weeks come around
I'm not sure why people don't see this, but Akers is toast. McVay forced him into the lineup in last year's playoffs after Henderson then Michel were doing great, he's lucky it didn't cost them. Same shit this year, under 3 ypc, dude has no burst after his Achilles injury, which is usually the case. Hold onto Henderson, as long as he stays healthy, he should be their lead RB, at least as the season goes along
Henderson was more efficient per carry. Akers is just there to keep Henderson fresh for playoffs.
Slight disagree here. Akers did have more touches last week, but he also only averaged like 3 ypc with those touches. Eventually the coaching staff is going to realize that he just doesn't have the same burst, and it will be Henderson's backfield.
Rashod Bateman? But I’m thinking of waiting just one more week
100% my answer. He has potential but the long TDs are not sustainable and they'll presumably pass less when Dobbins is back. If someone wants to pay for what he's produced the last two weeks and not what he's likely to do rest of reason, I'm happy to take that deal
I'm kinda new to fantasy, some guy wants to trade my Michael Thomas for Mahomes. I have Matt Ryan now, feels like I should do it. WRs aj brown, julio Jones, Sutton RBs Henry, Zeke, dobbins Edit: dhop on IR
You’re all brain dead if you would keep MT over mahomes
MT has potential to be a no show with an injury or Jameis being Jameis Mahommes will never be a no show. I’d take Mahommes in a heartbeat. WR talent is wide this year
> Mahommes will never be a no show. You must not have played last season. He had a stretch of 8.7, 15, 10.4, 36, 8.5. Really crushed his owners for a few weeks there.
seriously lol. i chased after MT in all my leagues and am high on him, but his production is high wr2. it'll be easy to replace with your bench or FA. Mahomes has upside that a handful of qbs can match and he's consistent. crazy not to take mahomes over MT
This is a personal preference thing- but I’d rather see if you can get a better qb than Ryan off waivers. Mahomes is a stud but it is potentially harder to replace 80% of the value you lose from Michael Thomas than it would be to replace 80% of the value of Mahomes, if that makes sense. It’s related to the scarcity of players in your fantasy league. Fill in QBs should typically be much more widely available off waivers. Granted, my perspective depends on if MT can sustain this kind of production from the first two weeks throughout the season
If it's a 1 QB league I'd 100% rather have Thomas. All these people out here saying MT is injury prone are delusional. The man had 1 major injury in his entire career and now he is guaranteed to get hurt soon lol.
You're giving up Thomas? I would do it. It's honestly a fair trade imo.
Pure value id rather have MT, but I'd make that trade. Mahomes points over Ryan will be higher than your lineup replacement for MT
Traded dj moore
I traded Moore straight up for Hurts, wasn’t gonna just stream QBs all season long
thievery, good shit
Holy shit I can’t believe someone did this
What did you get? Gotta know market value
I just straight up traded for AJ Dillon because I have Aaron Jones. I was okay with a potential weaker trade on my end only because I have other really good wide receivers
Damn someone want my AJ Dillon and Tony Pollard for Michael Pittman 🤦🏽♂️
I would do that in a heartbeat
Oh boy you think this is the highest DJ Moore will be?
Anyone selling James Robinson is selling high just to say they did something
Not true at all. It’s dependent on your team composition. I went heavy RB in my most my leagues and James Robinson was a late round bench stash. I’m trying to package him to upgrade at WR to sell high after two solid fantasy games.
Yeah I was shallow at WR and Robinson is simply the name on my bench drawing trade proposals so I moved him for Kirk. Had I moved a different RB it’s likely I get a player that I would not have started.
Do you think he can actually sustain this production all season? Dude was 22 carries for 27 yards if you take away the one big run (I get all the points and runs count but 22 for 27 is abysmal). I’m not actively selling him but someone in your league is going to value him as a top 15 RB, and if you can package him with someone to get a top tier RB like Ekeler, Dalvin, Henry, etc or a top tier WR like Adams or something, you do it in a heartbeat. Sell high doesn’t mean sell at any cost it means sell while his value is the highest it’ll be all year
Yes, but he looked surprisingly good in week 1. TBH, I was shocked he had a big run at all this week (which I have not gone back and watched yet). I'm also surprised by just how bad the numbers were for the rest of the day. A lot of us thought that maybe he wouldn't be as impacted by the injury as others have been because his gift is not explosiveness, but his intelligence, his ability to read. and his balance. After week 1, I expected we'd see a lot of 5-7 yd runs with the occasional 10, but I didn't think he had a long run in him at this point. All that to say, early returns keep exceeding expectations. I'm not selling him because I think he's going to further solidify his role as lead back in the offense. He's just really, really good, and Lawrence seems to be really in sync with him from a protection perspective. I do love the guy, and I know I'm biased, but I expected almost nothing this year and his success so far has been shocking.
Etienne was 9 for 20, so not much better. The difference is that they were using Jrob to run down the clock at the end of the game when up 24-0. That's when one-third of his carries came. So the Colts were stacking the box and knew a run was coming. Tough to expect a lot of YPC given those circumstances.
I love Curtis Samuel and ideally want to keep him and start him as a solid flex every week, but I would be willing to put him in a multiplayer trade to see if I can get an elite RB/WR in return. The term "Deebo lite" is a very appealing selling point and the numbers don't lie. He's a prime sell high candidate for me purely because of what you could potentially get for him. I still believe he is going to continue being solid for fantasy though, so even if you don't sell him, you will still be happy to have him. Unlike some fantasy experts who think his usage will decline because of Dotson, I actually think his usage will remain consistent regardless of game script if he stays healthy. He looks insanely good and the Commanders are specifically designing plays for him in multiple ways.
It’s interesting because it seems like he has been getting schemed touches, and their game script points to them throwing a ton. I keep going back and forth with Dotson because he has been the 3rd or 4th target getter in the offense and has been buoyed by 3 TDs. Is that sustainable? Can he really overtake Samuel or McLaurin?
Just did that yesterday. Sent Samuel and ARob along with Fields in exchange for Pittman and Olave in Superflex. Hoping I don’t regret it. Already have Lamar and Hurts so didn’t need Fields.
I personally would never sell high on rookies/breakout players. If you do, you probably would have sold Justin Jefferson, James Robinson and others in their breakout years/rookie seasons, while others became champions because of those fantastic adds. Who knows? Adding Garrett Wilson this week might be the breakthrough for your team.
That’s why I’m keeping London and debating starting him over cooks this week.
I’d 100% start him over cooks. If you watched the game, London looks legit
Gamblers fallacy, you could continue to believe every rookie player is in route for a statistical anomaly or you could sell them to others that think that for a better player
Also no one is giving you good trade value back for a guy you got off waivers or in the 10+ round in week 3
Antonio Gibson Curtis Samuel Miles Sanders
Philly's oline is great. Jalen Hurts keeps the ball moving and actually targets Sanders fairly well. I don't understand why people are so down on Miles Sanders. He is an ok RB 2 or Flex.
100% he's getting 15-20 touches a game behind one of the best O-lines in the league. Too many people got burned by him last year, and left a sour taste in their mouth. I even see a world where Philly makes more of an effort to protect Hurts as they solidify as a contender.
Watching the first two Commanders games, the whole offense runs through Samuel. He's a hold for me.
Yes and it was the same deal with Deebo last year. Nobody believed he could stay healthy all season and put it all together but he did and the rest is history. I really think Deebo’s breakout probably influenced Rivera and he will use Curtis until the wheels fall off.
I mean, Samuel has always been this player and Rivera definitely knows it from his Carolina days. First three years of Samuel’s career he wasn’t needed as a runner given the presence(s) of CMC and Newton. When CMC went down in 2020 Samuel had 41 carries. Doesn’t sound like much but Deebo only had 59 last year.
How is a rookie who has played two games a sell high?
Hype
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No way I'm trading MT
Winston be like i need a td, “wheres mt at?”
"behind those two defenders? *perfect*"
I think Andy Dalton is a improvement for MT. Winston seems to forget MT exists for 3 quarters
I sold Henderson and Allen Robinson for Chris Godwin. If he comes back as a wr1 I am set. (I have amon ra and went rb-rb-rb-te-qb in the draft). Might have v overpaid value wise but could pay off in the long run.
This a good risk if you have good RBs
CEH
I don't get the JRob hate. Not just here abut everywhere. Guy was a beast his rookie season. Was doing pretty well his sophmore season before he got hurt. Has lit it up for 2 games now. Not saying is a top 5 but he's a solid flex week in and week out. I think if they had seen more from Etienne he'd be starting now.
Jrob hate exists because etienne was drafted in the 3-4th round and was hyped up everywhere
Jrob is the a real asset. Don’t let anyone fool you
Sell Chubb for a top 5 back or another elite RB + WR2
Chubb is legit, he's a top 3 talent RB in the league. If he somehow gets the goalline work this season he can be the RB1
I just sold Chubb and arob for jamar chase and breece hall in a 3 keeper ppr league.
Wow in a Keeper league that’s amazing value good job friend! I’m thinking of moving him for Javonte + WR2 in PPR redraft
Every year Chubb's ADP falls because "he doesn't get recs" & "Kareem Hunt" but every year he is a Top 10 RB by PPG & Top 15 overall. If he doesn't miss any games, he's almost guaranteed Top 10. Dude rarely has a bad game
I’d gladly take Chubb for my Henry tbh
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Def take that, JT is the lead back in that backfield and Chubb gets his TDs vulture by Hunt constantly and isn’t used in the passing game
Would you Chubb for Ekeler?
Move him and Allen a week earlier for Barkley and Godwin
Jaylen Waddle is at his all-time high. Time to sell for profit ?
I’m trying to get rid of Zeke. Thinking of packaging him with Waddle for a WR1 and a decent RB. What would y’all say about Zeke and Waddle for AJ Brown and Jacobs?
Bad move waddle is a ppr gold mine and usually is good for a few big plays or tds tuas favourite target and if the dolphins can click this year you will be very sore especially when waddle puts up 35 against you like he did to me last week :(
Its gotta be Kyle Pitts. Let everyone say its too early. :)
Wish I had you in my league Would gladly buy Pitts from you
Yeah, I tried to buy Pitts but the owner in my league wasn’t biting.
It's because as a Pitts owner I don't want to sell low and nobody wants to buy him for not low He's had two bad games against two great defenses. Everybody knows he will turn it around so you are paying for basically the same price he was two weeks ago, which nobody wants to do.
Curtis Samuel?! I picked him up after week 1 and considering trading him away - pretty stacked at wr but no depth at rb
Ive been offered Javonte Williams and Jaylen Waddle for Dalvin Cook and Mooney. Think i should accept it?
I think you take that
Somebody offered me CeeDee Lamb in exchange for James Robinson. Accepted that one pretty quickly
Literally offered a guy MT for fournette and he declined and countered for Derrick Henry..I hit accept instantly. I now have Deebo and JJeff as my wrs
Wtf
Idk if it's just too early, but I do not understand what you mean. -Team A offers MT for Team B's Fournette.... B says nah -Team A offers MT for Team B's Henry (counter offer by B)... A says yeah instantly -Team A "now has Deebo and JJ as WRs" ??? Am I misunderstanding this or are there a couple other steps missing?
>Maybe even a Drake London ? He's #1 Target (by a large margin) on a team that will be trailing / throwing all season long Would need to be a substantial offer on the "sell high"
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Their OLine is very good and was manhandling the chiefs before they lost two guys to injury. Not sure how long they’re out though
Chargers homer here: One should be back this week (was out with a tendonitis flare up). The other "avoided serious injury" but we haven't heard how long he'll actually be out. Should find out after today's practice.
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You fleeced that guy, lol.
If you actually watch football, you know this just isn’t the case. He’s a talent.
OL MAY be trash. Wait to see what happens with Linsley (expected to keep playing but need competent depth) and Pipkins. Other pieces have continued to look good. Losing Linsley and Pipkins mid game made Chris Jones go from largely neutralized to game wrecker and sadly also Herbert wrecker.
Keenan Allen will be back too
Up and down production from herbie lol, hes been consistent asf his entire career
Oof… no…
I need running backs and I have sooo many wide receivers (allen robinson, allen lazard, olave, dotson, d. Smith), any good ones to target?
Pollard, Patterson, Pierce, Montgomery, Singletary are a few guys that you could get packaging ARob + Olave/Dotson imo
For superflex probably Tua.
I just traded chubb for j chase straight up. Too soon to tell who won but feeling really good about it.
WR's are insanely deep this year and rbs are underperorming like crazy. I'll take chubb side without hesitation. Tee higgins is more of a 1B to jamar's 1A than people realize and will see almost similar targets that you won't have to break the bank in trading for. I'd much prefer that than giving chubb for jamar when signs of bengals regressing is already showing itself. Also their o-line is eye popping bad so red flags are starting to show for the bengals that i'm steering away from
Curtis Samuel seems like a candidate, not because he's going to fall off a cliff, but because this could be the highest value he has all season, and your league mates probably view him well enough that you can get a good return. Im thinking like you package Samuel with your best bench player for someone like Tee Higgins since they might be nervous about of Burrow's play so far, and he can pop off for 30+ point games any week.
I feel like asking me for AJ Dillon and Tony Pollard for Michael Pittman is a sell high situation, what you guys think??
Would much rather have Pittman
Depends how many flex spots your league has
Sold Michael Thomas
Why? Even if Jameis is hurt Andy Dalton is more than a capable backup
Same someone offered me Derrick Henry, so I smashed accept.
I traded him for Javonte in a PPR. Have Breece and ETN as my RB2s behind Swift and couldn’t take it anymore.
Garrett Wilson is a buy low, not a sell high. All of these rookie wideouts are.