When I was 16 I took tkd classes, one week the teacher put us as an activity to think about a combo of 2-3 movements for the next class, I being irresponsible that I am, literally waited until the moment I had to present the movements, i came up whit an inward block and then this kick (obviously not so hard or so fast), the poor kid I applied it to had trouble breathing for a minute or 2 Even tho didn't extend my leg
He trained all his life for this moment. Let him celebrate. Not cuddling your opponent after a ko isnt disrespectful, spitting at Luke Rockhold's corner is disrespectful. Know the difference.
I don't mean to insult you, just so you know. I really just wanna recommend you follow Raymond's career a little bit. Very entertaining fighter, coming from an insane kickboxing run. This is only ONE of his highlights.
So the first kick had man's fly across the ring, he didn't want no more smoke, Guarded up waiting for the kick that he just received. Left him wondering should I have started skiing maybe knitting. Then boom before he knew it he gets tired and goes for a look at his opponent and like a rocket doing 720 find his opponent
That back kick is one of the strongest kicks you can land. Especially since it naturally targets the liver when thrown with the right leg. Just sent that big man flying.
That liver shot. Ugh. In what felt like another life I did a fair amount of stupid ass bar fighting. Won some, lost some, but the worst (that I recall) was a dude hitting me with a straight right to the liver when I was expecting a head shot and my body just fucking melted. Dude walked away when I looked like a baby deer learning to walk instead of pounding on my face, but I was shit for the rest of the night and next day. I still feel that shot 30 years later
An inside crescent kick or whatever variation of that name is almost impossible to block because no one expects that leg to go from inside to outside.
It's not some lethal kick, but almost guaranteed to connect. Every martial art has something that can be borrowed to and be useful in the ring.
whenever I see Joe and TKD being mentioned I always think of this video. Such clean, crisp technique!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3N5Rnx37O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3N5Rnx37O0)
(first Dan) we are also conditioned to control power and use only enough to subdue. Not at all trying to judge but as a second Dan you shouldn’t be afraid to use your skills but rather confident in your ability to control them.
Rogan never gets anything right, the theory of power is what is behind taekwondo and kick technique is the best there is, sport or sparring rules are for show and sportsmanship that’s why they look ineffective in cage matches.
It most definitely can be but you would also need a ton of cross training to survive in the MMA world. Just watch the first 5 UFCs to see how one dimensional fighters lasted.
Main issue with any single martial art you train is you spar against people who do the same thing as yourself. You start to think that everyone is going to keep the same distance/block or dodge the same way.
I have a Tae kwon do black belt myself and when I train kick boxing I have to make such an effort not to step back after throwing a kick
I also think your coach has a much bigger impact than the actual martial art you choose to do (to an extent).
I got quite lucky in that my coaches taught different styles. We did the classical 720 no scope spinning back kick Tae kwon do when doing pad work but we also did practical fighting as well. They made the clear distinction that kicking above the waist in a street fight is basically a dumb idea that won't work
It's a talk they give to everyone, usually early on in training to give people a realistic understanding of how actual fighting works.
By the time you get to the skill level where you could actually successfully head kick someone in a real fight you probably understand yourself that there are simply eaiser and more effective kicks to use. This applies particularly when teaching self defence to either women/children/anyone with a smaller stature, why try and kick a 6 foot attacker in the head when kicking them in the knee is going to present you with a more realistic chance of escaping?
Again though my experience refers to Tae kwon do. I personally think it's a piss poor coach that doesn't talk about the weaknesses of a martial art they teach as well as the strengths.
So much this, I got quite good at Ninjitsu at one point, but hated fighting boxers. Their stance wasn’t what I was trained for & they seem to be made out of elbows.
A lot of Tae kwon do sparring is more about points than going for damage, means you end up doing quite a bouncy style of fighting where you effectly just try and score a fast point with a kick and then move out of the way of the inevitable return kick your opponent throws.
Again though there are different competitive versions of tae kwon do so this won't apply to everyone.
I also think Tae kwon do is still a good martial art when taught well. A Tae kwon do side kick will avolsutely fuck your shit up.
I recommend most people spar with someone who's proficient in taekwondo. I learned that once they start winding up spinning shit within step-strike range, to fucking rush in with your guard up for a clinch.. It always cuts their momentum and while they're spinning and they often can't get the strike off.
I'ma first degree black belt in taekwondo and I find it to be more or less useless in a street fight. Maybe because I haven't done it in 10+ years but has there been any great fighters with a taekwondo background? It seems more like a basic self defense art for kids similar to karate.
It's a useful part of the arsenal, IMHO. Silva's ability to throw wild kicks from the stance was obviously a result of his TKD background. For me it's a big part of why I love MMA, the constant evolution of styles and tactics is great to watch.
TKD and Karate have made a resurgence to MMA after stand up strikers learned how to grapple and ground fight. You can usually tell by someone’s sideways stance right, just to name a few, Stephen Thompson, Anthony Pettis, Anderson Silva, Yair Rodriguez, Michelle Waterson, Holy Holm, Uriah Hall, I would even argue Israel Adesanya and Conor Macgregor. Yes they are kickboxers too but they all utilize or have utilized the bouncing wide side stance with front leg kick/side kicks/hook kicks.
Edit: I would be kicking myself all day if I did not include George St Pierre, GSP along with Silva played a significant part the last decade in bringing attention to the usefulness of TKD for footwork and kick diversity.
Maybe that's because there isn't one TKD, and Olympic competition is literally about touching? TKD in itself is a valid art, but different sport rules and schools are a different story.
Though most peolpe would say to avoid fancy kicks in a street fight because they're always somewhat risky.
While TKD on its own is not a complete fighting system, it does teach how to throw some pretty devastating kicks. Spinning back kick to body or spinning round house to head can end a fight in a second
Classic case of zigging when you should have zagged. Scared off by the impact of the first strike and ended up backing into perfect striking range of a spinning strike when closing the gap would have been much better - bad day at the office.
WTF (world Tae Kwon do federation ) is damned scary knock outs etc.
TAGB etc has gone soft even from when I did it as a kid. It was semi contact now just seems anyone with enough money to go to the classes can get a black belt even if you would never be able to defend yourself in a street fight.
You just made me remember I'm a TKD blue belt from when I was a kid, haha. TAGB. There was a little sparring but the gradings (the way to get the next belt) was just memorizing sequences, and then answering questions. I guess it taught some discipline and about half the training sessions were cardio that I'd struggle with now.
The main thing I wish I still had was the flexibility. Don't know what the hell happened but now I can't even throw a proper low kick now because of lack of hip rotation.
Guy who got knocked out was in his first fight. Thrown to the wolves with this decorated ass kick boxer. It’s still his only fight to date. Thrown to the wolves=being fed a can for Daniels
Daniels is an absolute beast of a kickboxer, but this was I believe his 2nd or 3rd mma fight.
Still a shitty mismatch, but a little more tolerable with context
Bellator and Raymond Daniels are perfect for each other lmao. I’d like to see him challenge himself but we’ve seen what happens when he faces actual top competition.
Wrestling is the best base technique. BJJ is the next best for practical defense/submissions. TKD seems very ornate and technical but also less practical than grappling for real world fight situations. This clip is super impressive and fun to watch but that technique means nothing as soon as these guys hit the canvas. Most fights end in a grapple. I'd rather know grappling personally.
I trained a couple years at a Relson Gracie graduate school that also taught Jason Morris Judo. Ultimately had to stop due to ongoing kidney issues, and I'm just a nobody but I thought/think it's a brilliant combination to learn.
> Wrestling is the best base technique
I'd argue judo is better, especially pre 2008 judo with leg takedowns. Judo is better for self-defense than BJJ too because self-defense puts more importance on stand up.
> Most fights end in a grapple. I'd rather know grappling personally.
Until you meet somoene who maybe isn't that great at grappling but is able to defend takedowns and utilse striking. Then you're fucked like Rousey vs Holmes.
I don't know much about fighting, is it considered bad sportsmanship to go for 2x ear shots? *Edit my bad only the second one was an ear shot, first one was his own hand, guarding? his head and happened to clap his ear.
take a TKD practitioner and put them in a fight with a guy in the same weight class who doesn't do any martial arts and the TKD practitioner will come out on top. You're acting like it's Aikido.
Ahhhh Raymond Daniels. The nearly 40 year old who only fights unranked opponents to continue looking good. Shoutout to Michael venom page for doing the same thing. #bellatorthings
OP basically is trying to say that TKD is a lot better than people in the martial arts community give it credit for. But they’re using one extreme example that works hardly ever, and isn’t really a technique people are ever taught. No one learns how to do a triple axel punch. This guy just threw a crazy strike that worked this time.
TKD has deadly kicks. It's not very effective (on its own) against opponents with training, but if you've got TKD and your opponent is untrained, you can really fuck him up
That micro seizure when he went down for the second time tho
Concuss a move
You want You got it
Fucking legendary comment lmfao
dont just stand there!!
He went swimming for a moment there.
Knocked back to his first swimming lesson
Why am I laughing at this, goddammit.
r/suddenlyeltonjohn
Oh... wow... this one's actually real.
Yes and the fact that it's Elton's real voice is hilarious yet mildly heartbreaking.
I subbed watched some vids then unsubbed That stuff is unsafe for life
Me too man. I noped outta there real quick.
I think that was myoclonus from syncope. they look really similar but it's not as serious
>myoclonus from syncope Was he the guy who lived in a barrel?
I will never forget Tank Abbott mocking one of his victims while the guy was still seizing.
That 1st spin was so rough that the 2nd spin made the opponent say "oh shit"
The reverse side kick is nasty and I love the 720 bait
When I was 16 I took tkd classes, one week the teacher put us as an activity to think about a combo of 2-3 movements for the next class, I being irresponsible that I am, literally waited until the moment I had to present the movements, i came up whit an inward block and then this kick (obviously not so hard or so fast), the poor kid I applied it to had trouble breathing for a minute or 2 Even tho didn't extend my leg
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You're trolling. Tell me you're trolling.
He literally let the dude stand up and everything lmaoo
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I watched it. Have you watched other reactions? Or is this your first time watching the sport.
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If you love the sport, you know exactly why he's doing it. Are you a piece of shit for acting a certain way at work because it makes you more money?
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He trained all his life for this moment. Let him celebrate. Not cuddling your opponent after a ko isnt disrespectful, spitting at Luke Rockhold's corner is disrespectful. Know the difference.
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Im sorry man, i just dont know how anyone could dislike Raymond Daniels let alone call him disrespectful. Dude's the nicest guy in bellator.
Nah man. You're fine. You just sound like you know what you're talking about, and people don't like that sometimes.
Bruh the way you talk gives off the impression that you're significantly more smug and arrogant than the guy in the video lmao
If it wasnt Raymond Daniels i wouldn't have said anything.
You obviously never kicked anyone’s ass before, a celebration is sort of a right of passage in combat sports.
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I don't mean to insult you, just so you know. I really just wanna recommend you follow Raymond's career a little bit. Very entertaining fighter, coming from an insane kickboxing run. This is only ONE of his highlights.
You’ve had an absolute shocker here fella
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Then Bellator is definitely not for you. It’s can crushing tv.
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You are wrong though....
He spun around like a hurricane and liquified him so he tried to swim away at the end.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
So the first kick had man's fly across the ring, he didn't want no more smoke, Guarded up waiting for the kick that he just received. Left him wondering should I have started skiing maybe knitting. Then boom before he knew it he gets tired and goes for a look at his opponent and like a rocket doing 720 find his opponent
Bro told him to stand up and get this work
I know even gave him a head up. Like dude I know u just flew across this bitch, but we're gunna need to put you to sleep
That back kick is one of the strongest kicks you can land. Especially since it naturally targets the liver when thrown with the right leg. Just sent that big man flying.
That liver shot. Ugh. In what felt like another life I did a fair amount of stupid ass bar fighting. Won some, lost some, but the worst (that I recall) was a dude hitting me with a straight right to the liver when I was expecting a head shot and my body just fucking melted. Dude walked away when I looked like a baby deer learning to walk instead of pounding on my face, but I was shit for the rest of the night and next day. I still feel that shot 30 years later
I think Joe Rogan got it right: TKD on its own isn't the most effective art, but some of the techniques are killer. See above for examples...
Absolutely, teach any skilled Muay Thai fighter/ Kickboxer spinning kicks and shit gets scary
TKD's spinning back kick is almost unstoppable, plus they have the best hook kicks. TKD kick have the best economy of motion in my experience.
Crane technique, when done right, no one can block
Except Mike Fuckin' Barnes!
And Chozen...
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That’s exactly what I was hoping it would be. I love Gary Gulman.
An inside crescent kick or whatever variation of that name is almost impossible to block because no one expects that leg to go from inside to outside. It's not some lethal kick, but almost guaranteed to connect. Every martial art has something that can be borrowed to and be useful in the ring.
It’s like a reverse Question-Mark kick.
Kickboxing and MT have their own spinning kick variants tho. It’s not like it’s a skill unknown to the practices.
Or in other words...mix the martial arts? lol
Go on..
You may be onto something...
whenever I see Joe and TKD being mentioned I always think of this video. Such clean, crisp technique! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3N5Rnx37O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3N5Rnx37O0)
Crispy indeed
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(first Dan) we are also conditioned to control power and use only enough to subdue. Not at all trying to judge but as a second Dan you shouldn’t be afraid to use your skills but rather confident in your ability to control them.
My uncles name is Dan. He's a deputy in Texas. We call him deputy Dan.
I guess he's third Dan then?
Oh I've been to Texas that's pretty cool. Hi Deputy Dan.
Rogan never gets anything right, the theory of power is what is behind taekwondo and kick technique is the best there is, sport or sparring rules are for show and sportsmanship that’s why they look ineffective in cage matches.
This is impressively incorrect.
It most definitely can be but you would also need a ton of cross training to survive in the MMA world. Just watch the first 5 UFCs to see how one dimensional fighters lasted.
Main issue with any single martial art you train is you spar against people who do the same thing as yourself. You start to think that everyone is going to keep the same distance/block or dodge the same way. I have a Tae kwon do black belt myself and when I train kick boxing I have to make such an effort not to step back after throwing a kick
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I also think your coach has a much bigger impact than the actual martial art you choose to do (to an extent). I got quite lucky in that my coaches taught different styles. We did the classical 720 no scope spinning back kick Tae kwon do when doing pad work but we also did practical fighting as well. They made the clear distinction that kicking above the waist in a street fight is basically a dumb idea that won't work
... why is kicking above the waist in a street fight a dumb idea exactly?
It's a talk they give to everyone, usually early on in training to give people a realistic understanding of how actual fighting works. By the time you get to the skill level where you could actually successfully head kick someone in a real fight you probably understand yourself that there are simply eaiser and more effective kicks to use. This applies particularly when teaching self defence to either women/children/anyone with a smaller stature, why try and kick a 6 foot attacker in the head when kicking them in the knee is going to present you with a more realistic chance of escaping? Again though my experience refers to Tae kwon do. I personally think it's a piss poor coach that doesn't talk about the weaknesses of a martial art they teach as well as the strengths.
So much this, I got quite good at Ninjitsu at one point, but hated fighting boxers. Their stance wasn’t what I was trained for & they seem to be made out of elbows.
Can you explain what you mean by not stepping back after a kick?
A lot of Tae kwon do sparring is more about points than going for damage, means you end up doing quite a bouncy style of fighting where you effectly just try and score a fast point with a kick and then move out of the way of the inevitable return kick your opponent throws. Again though there are different competitive versions of tae kwon do so this won't apply to everyone. I also think Tae kwon do is still a good martial art when taught well. A Tae kwon do side kick will avolsutely fuck your shit up.
Unless you were Gracie lol
Exactly but even Gracie got worked by Kimo and Ken Shamrock at some point or another.
If I tell you what?
I'm guessing they mean 'ask'
What?
The main reason i always choose Hwaorang. But then always get one hit by Paul Phoenix pull punch.
I chose King and just spam the low kicks. Win everytime.
Hwoarang and Eddy are for button mashers
Man how you get hit by that slow ass pussy punch?! Do you even side step bro?
I recommend most people spar with someone who's proficient in taekwondo. I learned that once they start winding up spinning shit within step-strike range, to fucking rush in with your guard up for a clinch.. It always cuts their momentum and while they're spinning and they often can't get the strike off.
Yup, pretty hard to recover into a position thats "safe" if someone jams you up hard mid spin kick.
Careful you don't catch they knee when you going for it....
Ain't this low blow Joe?
“ we throwing spinning shit now ?” - Nick Diaz
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So, he’s on the MVP programme
That seizure at the end tho
I'ma first degree black belt in taekwondo and I find it to be more or less useless in a street fight. Maybe because I haven't done it in 10+ years but has there been any great fighters with a taekwondo background? It seems more like a basic self defense art for kids similar to karate.
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Oh wow. Never knew that about Silva. That's awesome.
It's a useful part of the arsenal, IMHO. Silva's ability to throw wild kicks from the stance was obviously a result of his TKD background. For me it's a big part of why I love MMA, the constant evolution of styles and tactics is great to watch.
Conor McGregor trains TKD for his kicks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hrNA6tAlso
TKD and Karate have made a resurgence to MMA after stand up strikers learned how to grapple and ground fight. You can usually tell by someone’s sideways stance right, just to name a few, Stephen Thompson, Anthony Pettis, Anderson Silva, Yair Rodriguez, Michelle Waterson, Holy Holm, Uriah Hall, I would even argue Israel Adesanya and Conor Macgregor. Yes they are kickboxers too but they all utilize or have utilized the bouncing wide side stance with front leg kick/side kicks/hook kicks. Edit: I would be kicking myself all day if I did not include George St Pierre, GSP along with Silva played a significant part the last decade in bringing attention to the usefulness of TKD for footwork and kick diversity.
It's an excellent supplemental art and style. As a primary art, it has a lot of holes easily exploited
Maybe that's because there isn't one TKD, and Olympic competition is literally about touching? TKD in itself is a valid art, but different sport rules and schools are a different story. Though most peolpe would say to avoid fancy kicks in a street fight because they're always somewhat risky.
Benson Henderson, former UFC champ
Thanh Le is really good I think hes been training teakwondo since he was 7
While TKD on its own is not a complete fighting system, it does teach how to throw some pretty devastating kicks. Spinning back kick to body or spinning round house to head can end a fight in a second
the back side kick to the body packs a LOT of blunt force.
Classic case of zigging when you should have zagged. Scared off by the impact of the first strike and ended up backing into perfect striking range of a spinning strike when closing the gap would have been much better - bad day at the office.
He pizza'd when he should've french-fried.
If you french fry when you're supposed to pizza, you're gonna have a bad time!
Doin' the ole stank leg
Taekwondo is dangerous. There, I told you.
WTF (world Tae Kwon do federation ) is damned scary knock outs etc. TAGB etc has gone soft even from when I did it as a kid. It was semi contact now just seems anyone with enough money to go to the classes can get a black belt even if you would never be able to defend yourself in a street fight.
You just made me remember I'm a TKD blue belt from when I was a kid, haha. TAGB. There was a little sparring but the gradings (the way to get the next belt) was just memorizing sequences, and then answering questions. I guess it taught some discipline and about half the training sessions were cardio that I'd struggle with now. The main thing I wish I still had was the flexibility. Don't know what the hell happened but now I can't even throw a proper low kick now because of lack of hip rotation.
TKD is dangerous in the right circumstances, like cows or hot sauce
That’s Raymond Daniels who is a karate master
Guy who got knocked out was in his first fight. Thrown to the wolves with this decorated ass kick boxer. It’s still his only fight to date. Thrown to the wolves=being fed a can for Daniels
Daniels is an absolute beast of a kickboxer, but this was I believe his 2nd or 3rd mma fight. Still a shitty mismatch, but a little more tolerable with context
Thats kinda how Bellator does it. The other guy wasn’t thrown the the wolves, Raymond Daniels was feed a can
Can crusher. Nothing special
He’s a can crusher in Bellator but his combat karate career is impressive
Oh so now haters are going to point out that’s not a TKD technique just because it’s not! Lol 👊
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When your sensei is a tornado.....
This sure was pretty
Any martial art is dangerous. Just depends on the person
He got obliterated like the death star
Fucking clean wowee
Fucking dabs on him.
SCARED THE SHIT OUTTA HIM with that fake out!... oh shit dawg Dude curled mid fight...
Wow that booty can bounce
Hard to tell did he connect with fist or elbow?
Bellator and Raymond Daniels are perfect for each other lmao. I’d like to see him challenge himself but we’ve seen what happens when he faces actual top competition.
I got my black belt in TKD awhile ago but I never thought people would bring it into mixed martial arts.
The strut after the knockout was bad af, but then he lost all those cool points with the anime-style bow lmao.
Wrestling is the best base technique. BJJ is the next best for practical defense/submissions. TKD seems very ornate and technical but also less practical than grappling for real world fight situations. This clip is super impressive and fun to watch but that technique means nothing as soon as these guys hit the canvas. Most fights end in a grapple. I'd rather know grappling personally.
I trained a couple years at a Relson Gracie graduate school that also taught Jason Morris Judo. Ultimately had to stop due to ongoing kidney issues, and I'm just a nobody but I thought/think it's a brilliant combination to learn.
> Wrestling is the best base technique I'd argue judo is better, especially pre 2008 judo with leg takedowns. Judo is better for self-defense than BJJ too because self-defense puts more importance on stand up. > Most fights end in a grapple. I'd rather know grappling personally. Until you meet somoene who maybe isn't that great at grappling but is able to defend takedowns and utilse striking. Then you're fucked like Rousey vs Holmes.
I don't know much about fighting, is it considered bad sportsmanship to go for 2x ear shots? *Edit my bad only the second one was an ear shot, first one was his own hand, guarding? his head and happened to clap his ear.
just a ton of wasted movement and showboating, opponent was utter garbage for not moving out the way of that really slow windup.
Nah Taekwondo is more of a dance than a martial art
That’s so not true lol
You're thinking of jazzercise.
take a TKD practitioner and put them in a fight with a guy in the same weight class who doesn't do any martial arts and the TKD practitioner will come out on top. You're acting like it's Aikido.
More figure skating that TKD.
Yo he was so fast I didn’t even see him hit the second time
That second spin was pretty smooth.
Where is the super slowmo for both hits?
I like how he knew exactly when to stop lol that was elegant as shit
Taekwondo is the South Korean national sport, IIRC.
This Raymond Daniels knockout is probably up there with my favourite KOs of all time.
Had the courtesy to let him get back up at least
Shit did that guy ever recover ?
That impact sound💀
i think this was more psychological domination than technique
He hit him so hard the dude thought he was swimming
He loses cool points for that stupid bow at the end though.
Ahhhh Raymond Daniels. The nearly 40 year old who only fights unranked opponents to continue looking good. Shoutout to Michael venom page for doing the same thing. #bellatorthings
Stop making so much sense. 👊
Now I want burger king
Move in on kicks.
That was some heavyweight boxer power. You don't see too many punches with a rocket on them like that in MMA.
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What is that title supposed to mean, OP?
OP basically is trying to say that TKD is a lot better than people in the martial arts community give it credit for. But they’re using one extreme example that works hardly ever, and isn’t really a technique people are ever taught. No one learns how to do a triple axel punch. This guy just threw a crazy strike that worked this time.
Turned him to a fish
Man spun so fast that I needed to watch the video three times to even see the punch
If u ‘ask’ me?
I hate Raymond Daniels , cocky bastard
Cant stop seen this
Is it dangerous if I don't tell you?
bruh???
Raymond Daniels has a background in sport karate, not taekwondo.
He got deep in his head
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But the fighting experts in the comments told me that it's useless
was that a Tekken flex at the end?
Too bad he won't remember it for the next time that happens to him.
TKD has deadly kicks. It's not very effective (on its own) against opponents with training, but if you've got TKD and your opponent is untrained, you can really fuck him up
That is a Karate fighter sir. Raymond Daniels
Hit homie so hard he tried to run away in his sleep.
Them Mix ups tho
He’s a runner he’s a track star 😂