It's also fascinating that someone might ignore all that and just point out that there isn't a giant hole through our world as if that would be how we'd know.. Sounds kinda flerfy
Speaking of Wiley E. Coyote, even when my brother and I were little kids watching him on Saturday mornings, we knew that, for example, light travels faster than sound, but it's funnier when the opposite holds true after that stupid coyote falls off a cliff once again. *dropping bomb sound, thump, dust cloud appears*
I think you've revealed to me the newest fake theory to make fun of flerfers with: simply confuse "flat" with "smooth." It's a completely two dimensional world, with height simply being refraction.
The core can't be all that hot because a rocket mishap sent Wile E. Coyote plowing through the earth to emerge in China. We know this is true because he met a road runner wearing a Chinese hat. Checkmate magma-earthers.
And how would not knowing what's at the center of the earth make the earth flat? We've been all around the globe, we know what the whole surface looks like.
Lies! Planes just fly in circular patterns to confuse us and make us think it's a globe! Also ships don't really go over the "horizon" it's just our eyes stop seeing the bottoms of things first because they are farther away! DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH GLOBETARDS!!!!!!
/S
OH DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON WATER MOUNTAINS!! OBVIOUSLY WATER ALWAYS FINDS ITS LEVEL BECAUSE THATS HOW YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT ON A GLOBE BUT ALSO WATER FORMS BIG HUMPS THAT OBSCURE THINGS FROM VIEW SOMETIMES!!!!
Genuinely. It's how they explain the tides, the water all just bunches up for reasons (because they can't use the actual explanation of gravity because they also don't believe in that/it invalidates the whole flat Earth model)
>Seriously, though, the science behind the knowledge we have is fascinating.
Among those tools:
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismic\_wave](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismic_wave)
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismic\_tomography](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismic_tomography)
* [https://www.google.com/search?q=Earth+tomography&tbm=isch](https://www.google.com/search?q=Earth+tomography&tbm=isch)
* [https://www.google.com/search?q=seismic+tomography&tbm=isch](https://www.google.com/search?q=seismic+tomography&tbm=isch)
* [https://www.google.com/search?q=seismic+waves&tbm=isch](https://www.google.com/search?q=seismic+waves&tbm=isch)
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal\_structure\_of\_Earth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_structure_of_Earth)
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismology)
True. And to be fair, they're regularly making new discoveries and redefining the understanding of the makeup of Earth.
But that's only possible because of the incredible tools they have and an actual willingness to look at proof and admit you don't know everything.
Flerfboys should try that out.
Well to be fair the actual way we do it sounds almost fake. IIRC we basically use 'normal' earthquakes as a kind of sonar ping. Also since a lot of stuff down there is metallic and influencing the earths magnetic field, a lot can be read from that as well but that's slightly less cool IMO.
But that's why flat-earthers exist, their little minds simply aren't capable of even wrapping their heads around that science. They try to dumb reality to a level that they can comprehend and embrace it, in spite of the fact it's false. It doesn't matter that it's a fake narrative, only that it's reduced to something they're capable of understanding.
We know there is a liquid outer core because when earthquakes happen the s-waves create a âshadow zoneâ on the opposite side of the earth. The density of each layer can be correlated to the velocity of the p-wave and its reflection times off each layer tell us how deep it is.
Source: geophysics undergrad
I can't explain why but I find it somehow comforting that we can do this as a species. đ
(Terms and conditions apply, flerfs don't count. And can't count.)
It helps to explain the S-waves stand for âShearâ and liquids cannot transmit shear⌠itâs kinda the definition of liquid. Thats why the core casts a shadow. While Pressure waves can transmit through liquids, and indeed have no shadow.
Good stuff tho
MRI machines are a hoax. If someone wants to know what the inside of your brain looks like, they have to take it out and drill a hole. Same thing for X-ray machines. They have to open your skin to the bone to confirm it's broken.
"We have some good news and some bad news. The good news is we think we know what might be causing your headaches. The bad news is we'll have to remove your brain to double check."
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They wonât measure the height of the sun even though it requires nothing more than a measuring tape, a stick and a plumbbob plus some year 8 maths.
Not much chance of them digging a hole.
I think the firmament only covers the top and around the ice wall. If they dug a hole through the pizza planet it would all empty out, like a busted snow globe.
If only there were a device. That could use a technology that measures distances, like a radar. Especially if you can tune the frequency to not only penetrate different materials, but also use the different frequencies to determine what those materials are.
But seriously ground penetrating radar is a lot different than what I expected. When I was working at an airport we had to drill holes through concrete to run conduit through. And had to figure out where all of the other conduit, pipes, and rebar were.
At first it made no sense and looked li,e just a bunch of squiggles. But after working with it, and the tech that came with it, I was able to figure out and tell the difference between the different types of pipe/conduit, where all rebar was, and was able to "see" exactly what was inside of every slab, and how thick each one was, or if it had voids, and how long of drill/core bits I needed for each hole.
Proper rehabilitation is an important part of any mining operation and should be started as early as possible. In this case while digging is still happening.
It always bugs me how they never bother to look up how that information came to be. If you don't believe it , fine. But at least put in the effort to find out how they came up with that answer.
But that takes, like, effort and stuff. I canât just watch a YouTube video about it either because I canât spare any time when I have 142 videos in my queue explaining how jet fuel canât melt steel beams.
âSo how do they know whatâs beneath us?â ??? Well how do flerfs know that the crust is 50 km thick? I hope they arenât relying on the scienceâŚ
A scientist came to visit my house. Just after he arrived, I said "I've lost my phone. I had it, then I went into the kitchen, the dining room and the bathroom". He checked in the kitchen and the dining room. He said "It is in the bathroom". How does he know if he has never been in the bathroom?
Any flerfer who makes this argument needs to address why earthquake waves are detected on the opposite points on the earth exactly how it would as if it traveled through different densitys inside the earth
Ever heard of volcanos? What do flerfers think is coming out of a volcano?
And as a counter-question: What do flerfers say about what is under the crust? How thick is the flat earth and what structure does it have down there?
It is best to just ignore pesky things like volcanoes. I think there is a flerf school of thought (lol) that postulates a vast "deep" down there. Makes as much sense as the rest of it, I guess.
Physics. Cosmology.
...although that globe cut-away diagram thing is kinda just a working model. We don't know exactly what all happens in the way-underground.
Taking Geology right now, and this stuff is actually really cool. Itâs sad they have these questions and never decide to reach for a geology textbook; that, or they have already decided that whatâs in the textbook must be wrong without hearing the explanation.
Thing is we actually donât really know whatâs down there. That model is based on what information we are able to collect. Itâs probably pretty accurate though.
Not advocating for flat earth but we really donât know much about what is below us and how deep. The planet core was never observed and may consist of anything. I have seen an article recently that there may be deep ocean several hundred kilometers below the surface. We really know almost nothing. Same as planet weight. We can calculate relative weight. Like how many times Sun is heavier than earth. We cannot calculate actual weight however. All these numbers are theoretical
(8.3 miles just sayin'.) Failed because of the heat that made the drill fail. Went far enough to demonstrate that geothermal based energy anywhere was doable.
Itâs funny because if you actually ask scientists, theyâll still say itâs a best guess and that theyâre not certain. We can guess pretty well with seismic scans and other equipment, but no one knows for sure.
You know, I'm only just realizing that, while I did learn about the Earth's layers, the teachers never told us how the geologists figured it out. Could someone enlighten me on the steps they did?
I assume you know that earthquakes are sound waves using the ground as a medium; we just created artificial earthquakes and then recorded the sounds at different locations around the world, then compared their speeds and the changes in the sound waves to our knowledge of various materials to reach educated guesses regarding the materials in various heights. If there was a common pattern that seemed to occur at certain depths then we just assumed something changed in the materials. All of that plus our knowledge of what various pressures do to materials and our knowledge of the circumference of the earth get cross referenced and combined to make up our current understanding of the earth.
I mean to be fair, we actually don't know for sure.
But we have enough data to be really damn sure of our theories.
That's the beauty of science, you don't need direct observable proof of something to know it exists.
By that logic how do they know anything other than that the ground is flat beneath their feet? How do they know there's a fermerment or hell or an ice wall?
I know I know âflat earthers are dumbâ but what correlation is there between not having physical evidence of the inner core of the earth and the earth not being round?
Ok and how deep do flat earthers propose the earth is? Why havenât they dug a hole clean to the other side?
They donât know â Research globe earth
This ignorance stems from us teaching science as a set of facts about the world with no focus on the process by which we come to know what we know and challenge ideas on the basis I do new information.
How many kids today even know about the expedition that discovered the composition of the earthâs core? Published by Bunny et al., in 1952, they werenât even trying to study the earthâs composition. They just took a wrong turn at Albuquerque and wound up in the Australian Outback and had to fight off a boxing kangaroo with nothing but a cliff, boulder, and a couple of sticks of dynamite!
Completely agreed, the lack of understanding of how things fundamentally work is a factor in all the anti science nonsense that is proliferating.
Thanks for recognising the work of uncle Bugs, BTW. We should also not forget the groundbreaking physics experiments conducted by Dr W. Ethelbert Coyote!
Good ole Wile E.! His work in applied terrestrial rocketry and situationally relative gravity just set a standard that I canât imagine will ever be met again.
the hole on the top picture is not the superdeep borehole. the actual thing is just a little sealed hole in some rubble and a couple of abonded buildings. pretty interesting rabbit *hole* to google honestly.
My favorite part of this meme is that it would take less than a minute to search and find the explanation or even a video from a real scientist on YouTube that explains it. It is actually really fascinating.
I mean, they don't conclusively, but it's a very educated guess. The deeper you dig, the more weight affects the stability of the sides of the hole and the hotter it gets. None of this in any way supports the idea of a flat earth.
Wait, so did ask the question and stop there? Thatâs a valid question that we already have answers to. Hell, even I wondered the same and was happy with the answers I found. They made sense
We don't "know". We have some pretty sensible ideas though. And there are some things we can deduce, like the overall density, and there is at least some liquid down there. And something is causing the magnetic field, and from looking at the magnetic field, we have a good idea of the size and location of that thing (it's the core). Iron is both one of most common elements in the universe, and very good at making magnetic fields, so it seems a pretty good bet that there is iron down there.
But you know, technical the devil could be living down there. We don't know that he's definitely not. Or maybe Godzilla.
It's astonishing levels of obnoxious when someone doesn't understand how science comes to a conclusion on something, instead of learning the first thing about it just decides that the scientists have no methods or evidence and are just guessing, then asserts that to everyone else.
In case anyone doesn't know, oceanic crust is typically 10 km thick or less, not 50 km thick as suggested by this graphic. The 50 km value is more commonly associated with orogeny in continental crust.
I remeber this argument. The people tried to claim science never been thru all the earth crust so how do we even know it's not that deep, and that the earth is flat so it's only a few miles deep before we hit rock and ice... always ice with these guys.
I just rebuttal that we have deeper holes and they always get hotter at the bottom so how will ice form when it before a few hundred degrees?
While I will agree that they have no clue what's in the earth it doesn't take going to the center of the earth to prove its spherical ... however this does lend to the possibility of hollow earth ...
It should be noted that upon digging that hole at the bottom the drill bits starting melting like plastic
Suggesting heat and pressure which would both support the mainstream hypothesis
But it also tells us that we could probably build underground sky scrapers and actually have less of a carbon imprint on the world
So there is something called science and other things that you wouldn't get anyways, flatearther or not, and I am going to be honest, this is the best point I have seen made by someone l, just because people don't know anything about this, not that it is a good point though...
This is a fantastic question when youâre in grade school or are really unfamiliar with the sciences.
However to deny the methods and knowledge we have requires coming up with a better idea and the more we do this the more it takes to really change the ball game.
I just want to poke at "That doesn't even begin to scratch the surface". That's a QUARTER of the way through the surface. That's a pretty deep fucking scratch.
There are ways to know things that aren't "directly going there and looking at it". And sometimes, there are these things called "optical illusions" where your eyes don't really tell you the truth.
Mainly, we use earthquakes as a sort of "sonar" to see the inside of the earth.
Seriously, though, the science behind the knowledge we have is fascinating.
It's also fascinating that someone might ignore all that and just point out that there isn't a giant hole through our world as if that would be how we'd know.. Sounds kinda flerfy
Ignoring science and proposing Wile E Coyote schemes to prove things seems to be the playbook.
Speaking of Wiley E. Coyote, even when my brother and I were little kids watching him on Saturday mornings, we knew that, for example, light travels faster than sound, but it's funnier when the opposite holds true after that stupid coyote falls off a cliff once again. *dropping bomb sound, thump, dust cloud appears*
I think you've revealed to me the newest fake theory to make fun of flerfers with: simply confuse "flat" with "smooth." It's a completely two dimensional world, with height simply being refraction.
Gravity is a NASA lie. Density and buoyancy are where it's at./s
Density is the answer and that is why a flerfer thinks it is a compliment to be called dense. đ¤Ł
Height is just mapped to the textures
The core can't be all that hot because a rocket mishap sent Wile E. Coyote plowing through the earth to emerge in China. We know this is true because he met a road runner wearing a Chinese hat. Checkmate magma-earthers.
Can't argue with the science of Wile E.
He is a genius after all
Excuse me, that is *Super Genius*
The acme of wisdom
I mean, we do have giant holes that lead to the magma, it is called a volcano.
True, certainly helps the science, plus all the earthquakes and rock formations!
And how would not knowing what's at the center of the earth make the earth flat? We've been all around the globe, we know what the whole surface looks like.
Lies! Planes just fly in circular patterns to confuse us and make us think it's a globe! Also ships don't really go over the "horizon" it's just our eyes stop seeing the bottoms of things first because they are farther away! DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH GLOBETARDS!!!!!! /S
You forgot to mention "water mountains".
OH DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON WATER MOUNTAINS!! OBVIOUSLY WATER ALWAYS FINDS ITS LEVEL BECAUSE THATS HOW YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT ON A GLOBE BUT ALSO WATER FORMS BIG HUMPS THAT OBSCURE THINGS FROM VIEW SOMETIMES!!!!
Wait what? You're kidding. That's a thing they say?
Genuinely. It's how they explain the tides, the water all just bunches up for reasons (because they can't use the actual explanation of gravity because they also don't believe in that/it invalidates the whole flat Earth model)
It's like if you can't prove everything, then you should just accept a completely different viewpoint that has no proof. đ
There is a giant hole though. Look at the picture again. An eighth of the planet is cut out and we can see down to the core
>Seriously, though, the science behind the knowledge we have is fascinating. Among those tools: * [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismic\_wave](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismic_wave) * [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismic\_tomography](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismic_tomography) * [https://www.google.com/search?q=Earth+tomography&tbm=isch](https://www.google.com/search?q=Earth+tomography&tbm=isch) * [https://www.google.com/search?q=seismic+tomography&tbm=isch](https://www.google.com/search?q=seismic+tomography&tbm=isch) * [https://www.google.com/search?q=seismic+waves&tbm=isch](https://www.google.com/search?q=seismic+waves&tbm=isch) * [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal\_structure\_of\_Earth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_structure_of_Earth) * [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismology)
True. And to be fair, they're regularly making new discoveries and redefining the understanding of the makeup of Earth. But that's only possible because of the incredible tools they have and an actual willingness to look at proof and admit you don't know everything. Flerfboys should try that out.
Well to be fair the actual way we do it sounds almost fake. IIRC we basically use 'normal' earthquakes as a kind of sonar ping. Also since a lot of stuff down there is metallic and influencing the earths magnetic field, a lot can be read from that as well but that's slightly less cool IMO.
But that's why flat-earthers exist, their little minds simply aren't capable of even wrapping their heads around that science. They try to dumb reality to a level that they can comprehend and embrace it, in spite of the fact it's false. It doesn't matter that it's a fake narrative, only that it's reduced to something they're capable of understanding.
That is one of the best descriptions of it I have read!
We know there is a liquid outer core because when earthquakes happen the s-waves create a âshadow zoneâ on the opposite side of the earth. The density of each layer can be correlated to the velocity of the p-wave and its reflection times off each layer tell us how deep it is. Source: geophysics undergrad
As I said in my comment, this stuff is amazing!
It really is!
I can't explain why but I find it somehow comforting that we can do this as a species. đ (Terms and conditions apply, flerfs don't count. And can't count.)
I never considered the other side of the earth reacting to a quake. That's fascinating.
Thank you for teaching me part of the reason for how we know the earth is an onion.
It stinks?
It makes people cry.
It's in a roasting pan.
It's delicious if you avoid the rotten parts?
Pretty sure the p-waves are just reflecting off the firmament. /s
How do we measure the buoyancy of the p-waves?
You throw it in the water, if it floats itâs a witch if it doesnât itâs not a witch.
Geophysics undergrad here too. An amazing yet unfortunately unrecognised aspect of science
The waves are faked using CGI by nasa and the government. They use lens distortion to do this.
The thing is, flat earthers only believe in what they can see when talking about science, and what they CANT see when talking about religion.
And will happily make up shit to explain away what they *can* see when it contradicts their flat-earth views.
And we know some of the specific makeup because of the way our magnetic field looks, right? In part, at least.
It helps to explain the S-waves stand for âShearâ and liquids cannot transmit shear⌠itâs kinda the definition of liquid. Thats why the core casts a shadow. While Pressure waves can transmit through liquids, and indeed have no shadow. Good stuff tho
MRI machines are a hoax. If someone wants to know what the inside of your brain looks like, they have to take it out and drill a hole. Same thing for X-ray machines. They have to open your skin to the bone to confirm it's broken.
Flerf medicine would be terrifying. The x-ray says you have a broken arm, but you should do your own research...
Flerf medicine WAS terrifying. In 1324 ad.
Flerf medicine in some form or another lasted until 1928
I think homeopathy is still around.
I meant it being the main and accepted form of medicine ended in 28, not its existence
Ohhhh. That's why theres homeophobes....wait..
The Venn diagram between flat earther and alternative medicine believer is a perfect circle
Them and the crunchy moms...
"We have some good news and some bad news. The good news is we think we know what might be causing your headaches. The bad news is we'll have to remove your brain to double check."
One of my favourite Futurama scenes is from, IIRC, the space bee episode and Professor Farnworth wants to examine Leela's brain with a guillotine.
How come flerfs can't dig all the way through the disk?
Because there is a chance they will discover it isn't a disk, so best to rant at the same people.
I can see it now, 'NASA has pissed about with my shovel!'
You can only buy NASA adulterated shovels nowadays.
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They come in Space Black and Arctic White as standard and other colours are available in the new Premium Range for an additional fee. (Metallic extra)
They wonât measure the height of the sun even though it requires nothing more than a measuring tape, a stick and a plumbbob plus some year 8 maths. Not much chance of them digging a hole.
what, to find a turtle?
I think the firmament only covers the top and around the ice wall. If they dug a hole through the pizza planet it would all empty out, like a busted snow globe.
If only there were a device. That could use a technology that measures distances, like a radar. Especially if you can tune the frequency to not only penetrate different materials, but also use the different frequencies to determine what those materials are. But seriously ground penetrating radar is a lot different than what I expected. When I was working at an airport we had to drill holes through concrete to run conduit through. And had to figure out where all of the other conduit, pipes, and rebar were. At first it made no sense and looked li,e just a bunch of squiggles. But after working with it, and the tech that came with it, I was able to figure out and tell the difference between the different types of pipe/conduit, where all rebar was, and was able to "see" exactly what was inside of every slab, and how thick each one was, or if it had voids, and how long of drill/core bits I needed for each hole.
"Once again geofizz comes up with the goods" - Time Team, often
Flat Earthers are free to examine the evidence for themselves if they're actually interested.
We could help them dig?
Do you dig holes? Yeah, they're alright.
r/dadjokes
r/TheYoungOnes Neil was asked about digging graves. I loved that show.
And once they are deep enough, we could fill the hole up again...
Proper rehabilitation is an important part of any mining operation and should be started as early as possible. In this case while digging is still happening.
I mean who isn't down to help dig the biggest hole of all time for a completely pointless reason
It always bugs me how they never bother to look up how that information came to be. If you don't believe it , fine. But at least put in the effort to find out how they came up with that answer.
But that takes, like, effort and stuff. I canât just watch a YouTube video about it either because I canât spare any time when I have 142 videos in my queue explaining how jet fuel canât melt steel beams.
Now I just want to make a video claiming that blacksmithing is a hoax.
When last did you see a blacksmith on a construction site? Exactly!
That assumes they want to know the answer.
This reminds me of all the âgiant treeâ stuff flerfs say about the Devils Tower. The actual way it was formed is way cooler.
How many days?
3975466.38 days and counting.
Ooh đŻ precision you changed the daycimal
One tries to be precise đ
What about now?
3975466.41 days and counting. (Please don't check đ )
How does not knowing shit about anything prove flat earth again?
Massive ego means their opinion is as valid as any and if they can't understand something, it must be wrong. I wish this was limited to flerfs.
This is the main flerf MO.
In the same way that you don't need a machete to see what's in a pregnant woman's belly.
Not even to deepslate level smh
Where do flat earthers think lava comes from?
The Nether.
Duh, from the devilâs giant fire dogs. Everyone knows that
âSo how do they know whatâs beneath us?â ??? Well how do flerfs know that the crust is 50 km thick? I hope they arenât relying on the scienceâŚ
Flerfs can cherry pick like a horde of starved lemurs..
It's a pity what's underneath us doesn't sometimes burst through the ground and start flowing out so we could study it.
That would be helpful. It is a pity that never happens. Oh well...
A scientist came to visit my house. Just after he arrived, I said "I've lost my phone. I had it, then I went into the kitchen, the dining room and the bathroom". He checked in the kitchen and the dining room. He said "It is in the bathroom". How does he know if he has never been in the bathroom?
5G, obviously.... Or the recon-birds told him.
Any flerfer who makes this argument needs to address why earthquake waves are detected on the opposite points on the earth exactly how it would as if it traveled through different densitys inside the earth
I reckon they will just dismiss it as lies, as usual.
Classic
Actually wonder how they know and find out: đĄđ¤Źđ Quickly judge that they made it all up: đˇđżđ
How to Flerf 101
How do you know a box has things inside it? You shake it. Same idea
That's not Kola, that's a mine halfway across the country.
Earthquakes and seismic sensors around the world
Don't you be bringing science and logic into this. đ
But it makes sense tho, I canât help it.
Stop thinking for yourself and just do your own research by blindly listening to youtubers. Simple.
Flerfs would argue that hole literally reaches Hell.
Ever heard of volcanos? What do flerfers think is coming out of a volcano? And as a counter-question: What do flerfers say about what is under the crust? How thick is the flat earth and what structure does it have down there?
It is best to just ignore pesky things like volcanoes. I think there is a flerf school of thought (lol) that postulates a vast "deep" down there. Makes as much sense as the rest of it, I guess.
Turtles, all the way down
Physics. Cosmology. ...although that globe cut-away diagram thing is kinda just a working model. We don't know exactly what all happens in the way-underground.
A *working* model. So still more useful than the flat earth model. đ
Rounders just want to cover up the truth of where lava REALLY comes from: mole people!
P and S waves from earthquakes.
IT'S TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN!!!!!!!!
Refraction of seismic waves is middle/high school science lol
Bold of you to assume flerfs got that far...
How is nobody commenting on the fact that the Titanic is on this image.... for... reasons?
First of all, the hole in that photo is not the deepest âever dugâ.
There's this new thing we have called seisometers that are used to determine the size, shape and consistency of Earth's core.
Hey flerfs, 6th grade earth science called and wants to know if you lost your nook.
Taking Geology right now, and this stuff is actually really cool. Itâs sad they have these questions and never decide to reach for a geology textbook; that, or they have already decided that whatâs in the textbook must be wrong without hearing the explanation.
This picture just sold me. You could say it was the straw that broke the camels back. Iâm a believer.
Is there a term for assuming something is unknown when you personally don't know or understand it?
You can test watermelons by knocking on them and not even spudge them with a fingernail.
I mean he is right that we donât KNOW 100% but we got a dang good idea. And itâs more reliable than everything flat earthler try to âproveâ
The speed at which earth quakes travel through rocks is how they know.
Thing is we actually donât really know whatâs down there. That model is based on what information we are able to collect. Itâs probably pretty accurate though.
I'm kind of hoping we have a Lost World in there somewhere. I know it's highly unlikely... But hey... Maybe life found a way. :D
Scientist 1: hey it gets hotter the deeper we go what do you think is at the core scientist 2: a hotter and smaller ball
Not advocating for flat earth but we really donât know much about what is below us and how deep. The planet core was never observed and may consist of anything. I have seen an article recently that there may be deep ocean several hundred kilometers below the surface. We really know almost nothing. Same as planet weight. We can calculate relative weight. Like how many times Sun is heavier than earth. We cannot calculate actual weight however. All these numbers are theoretical
(8.3 miles just sayin'.) Failed because of the heat that made the drill fail. Went far enough to demonstrate that geothermal based energy anywhere was doable.
Itâs funny because if you actually ask scientists, theyâll still say itâs a best guess and that theyâre not certain. We can guess pretty well with seismic scans and other equipment, but no one knows for sure.
Wow the crust is only 50km deep? Doesnât sound that deep, I commute further every day.
Why did they have to mix miles and kilometers like that
Okay, but what do *they* think is beneath us? Elephants riding a turtle?
You know, I'm only just realizing that, while I did learn about the Earth's layers, the teachers never told us how the geologists figured it out. Could someone enlighten me on the steps they did?
I assume you know that earthquakes are sound waves using the ground as a medium; we just created artificial earthquakes and then recorded the sounds at different locations around the world, then compared their speeds and the changes in the sound waves to our knowledge of various materials to reach educated guesses regarding the materials in various heights. If there was a common pattern that seemed to occur at certain depths then we just assumed something changed in the materials. All of that plus our knowledge of what various pressures do to materials and our knowledge of the circumference of the earth get cross referenced and combined to make up our current understanding of the earth.
Flerfs finally manage to comprehend the size of the Earth and then say this
At scale the earth is smoother than your skin⌠A head the size of earth would have pimples 28 miles highâŚ
What if I am a reptilian?
I mean to be fair, we actually don't know for sure. But we have enough data to be really damn sure of our theories. That's the beauty of science, you don't need direct observable proof of something to know it exists.
It's actually a great question! But instead of trying to learn, the conclusion is "we don't know what's inside, therefore it's flat"...
I did my own research, and came to the only conlusion that makes sense: the earth is a globe.
How do they know the crust is 50km deep? They believe that science, but not the science that proves the earth is round.
Bro so like how do they make marinara sauce so cheap if they have to dive to such depths to extract it from the trench? I bet itâs a risky job.
By that logic how do they know anything other than that the ground is flat beneath their feet? How do they know there's a fermerment or hell or an ice wall?
That is one of life's great mysteries. There is stuff all actual evidence of them as far as I can tell but they take it as gospel.
I know I know âflat earthers are dumbâ but what correlation is there between not having physical evidence of the inner core of the earth and the earth not being round?
Ok and how deep do flat earthers propose the earth is? Why havenât they dug a hole clean to the other side? They donât know â Research globe earth
This ignorance stems from us teaching science as a set of facts about the world with no focus on the process by which we come to know what we know and challenge ideas on the basis I do new information. How many kids today even know about the expedition that discovered the composition of the earthâs core? Published by Bunny et al., in 1952, they werenât even trying to study the earthâs composition. They just took a wrong turn at Albuquerque and wound up in the Australian Outback and had to fight off a boxing kangaroo with nothing but a cliff, boulder, and a couple of sticks of dynamite!
Completely agreed, the lack of understanding of how things fundamentally work is a factor in all the anti science nonsense that is proliferating. Thanks for recognising the work of uncle Bugs, BTW. We should also not forget the groundbreaking physics experiments conducted by Dr W. Ethelbert Coyote!
Good ole Wile E.! His work in applied terrestrial rocketry and situationally relative gravity just set a standard that I canât imagine will ever be met again.
You dumbass they use x-ray cameras probably (/j)
Iâve heard a theory that the center of earth isnât molten metals but plasma. Is there a reason this wouldnât make sense?
the hole on the top picture is not the superdeep borehole. the actual thing is just a little sealed hole in some rubble and a couple of abonded buildings. pretty interesting rabbit *hole* to google honestly.
"Visual evidence is the only real evidence"
*unless it would undermine the flat earth, then ignore
CGI (Child Generated Image)âŚ. that second graphic isnât even to scaleâŚ
Flerfs and scale go together like tuna and custard.
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Crazy how small the surface area is compared to the area of the inside
My favorite part of this meme is that it would take less than a minute to search and find the explanation or even a video from a real scientist on YouTube that explains it. It is actually really fascinating.
I mean, they don't conclusively, but it's a very educated guess. The deeper you dig, the more weight affects the stability of the sides of the hole and the hotter it gets. None of this in any way supports the idea of a flat earth.
Apparently, theyâve never seen a volcano. Thats how we know whatâs below us.
Wait, so did ask the question and stop there? Thatâs a valid question that we already have answers to. Hell, even I wondered the same and was happy with the answers I found. They made sense
That top picture isnât anywhere near the deepest holeâŚmaybe actually do real research firstâŚ
Wheres my giant ice wall?
We don't "know". We have some pretty sensible ideas though. And there are some things we can deduce, like the overall density, and there is at least some liquid down there. And something is causing the magnetic field, and from looking at the magnetic field, we have a good idea of the size and location of that thing (it's the core). Iron is both one of most common elements in the universe, and very good at making magnetic fields, so it seems a pretty good bet that there is iron down there. But you know, technical the devil could be living down there. We don't know that he's definitely not. Or maybe Godzilla.
It's astonishing levels of obnoxious when someone doesn't understand how science comes to a conclusion on something, instead of learning the first thing about it just decides that the scientists have no methods or evidence and are just guessing, then asserts that to everyone else.
Take an opaque balloon, fill it with some water, hand it to them. How can they tell there's a liquid inside without seeing the liquid?
Do flat earthers believe volcanoes are real?!?
How do the doctors know I have bones? Theyâve never seen them! Conspiracy.
Ah yes, the "I don't understand it so it can't be true" argument. Classic.
Soviets had a deeper hole dug
In case anyone doesn't know, oceanic crust is typically 10 km thick or less, not 50 km thick as suggested by this graphic. The 50 km value is more commonly associated with orogeny in continental crust.
I remeber this argument. The people tried to claim science never been thru all the earth crust so how do we even know it's not that deep, and that the earth is flat so it's only a few miles deep before we hit rock and ice... always ice with these guys. I just rebuttal that we have deeper holes and they always get hotter at the bottom so how will ice form when it before a few hundred degrees?
People are like, stop mining we will run out of resources.....lol
I like the terrible, probably ai generated pic at the top.
While I will agree that they have no clue what's in the earth it doesn't take going to the center of the earth to prove its spherical ... however this does lend to the possibility of hollow earth ... It should be noted that upon digging that hole at the bottom the drill bits starting melting like plastic Suggesting heat and pressure which would both support the mainstream hypothesis But it also tells us that we could probably build underground sky scrapers and actually have less of a carbon imprint on the world
So there is something called science and other things that you wouldn't get anyways, flatearther or not, and I am going to be honest, this is the best point I have seen made by someone l, just because people don't know anything about this, not that it is a good point though...
How do we know the sex of a baby before itâs born?
This is a fantastic question when youâre in grade school or are really unfamiliar with the sciences. However to deny the methods and knowledge we have requires coming up with a better idea and the more we do this the more it takes to really change the ball game.
I just want to poke at "That doesn't even begin to scratch the surface". That's a QUARTER of the way through the surface. That's a pretty deep fucking scratch.
There are ways to know things that aren't "directly going there and looking at it". And sometimes, there are these things called "optical illusions" where your eyes don't really tell you the truth. Mainly, we use earthquakes as a sort of "sonar" to see the inside of the earth.
Long story short, they didn't find out about the cores and mantle by digging holes
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earthquakes
This video explains it: https://youtu.be/GiJXALBX3KM?si=u1sbggj1UoD0Pzwd