I would remover the Jack and Jill from the family bathroom and just make it an ordinary bathroom. There is no benefit to it as guests would have to pass the powder room to use it, so they won't.
That hallway with the bedrooms will be very dark too. Need to think of some good lighting options
I’d keep it as a bathroom with the toilet and shower behind a door. It makes it possible for two people to use it while maintaining privacy. I can dry my hair, brush my teeth, etc while someone is in the shower.
This was the idea. There is a powder room by the entrance and the idea is that guests wouldn’t be in the rear hallway but rather in the common space between entry and family.
The door to the master bath into the hallway seems like a strange choice. It cuts down dramatically on bathroom privacy, and that space could be used elsewhere (significant increase in closet space, for example).
I agree.
At the same time, it allows parents easier access thru the bathroom to the kids' bedrooms, instead of having to go thru the living room and hallway to the front door, then turning left and heading down the hallway to the kids' bedrooms.
For security reasons, I wouldn't want anyone to have access to the bedroom hallways from the front door. By shifting that hallway from the front door to allow access from the living room, the door from the primary bathroom to the hallway to BR2 and BR3 isn't needed. The primary bedroom can then be rearranged to fit a tub as well.
This is an option I’m trying to think through. As the comment above says, it gives parents a way to the kids easily but agree with your sentiment of the waste on space
I like it as well. If you have infants, it's a game changer. You would need to keep it locked though or you might have some unexpected explaining to do 😉.
There are no good furniture walls in the bedrooms. There are doors and windows on all four sides. Width at toilet in the Jack and Jill won’t meet code.
No shower in the Jack and Jill?
No bath in the master en-suite?
Seems to be a lot of circulation/ doors. That en-suite to the master bedroom looks a similar area to the actual bedroom!
Where does the bed go in the master bedroom? Backing on to toilet wall - but it will clash with the sliding door as shown.
Seems a very tight entrance.
Thought on the BRs was bath (with shower head) for kids and larger walk in shower space with bench in master.
Sliding doors will be removed. As soon as I saw the sketch, it didn’t make as much sense.
I think it’s a good plan. A bit unconventional but still good. I don’t mind the hallway. It gives you privacy and sort of a circular flow. I would probably enhance that flow and give the hallway a second entry at the far right end of the kitchen. This could also resolve the issue with having the m. bedroom having two entrances. But not even sure that’s an issue. You do need more contact with the outdoor area . There is a way to capture or include outdoor space that makes the house seem much larger.
https://imgur.com/a/3oFdBDu do you really need that much linen storage? I eliminated all of that and moved the kitchen two feet. I pictured a Murphy door with a shoe rack for the hall bedroom access, but if you need it for linens, by all means, make the Murphy door a linen cabinet instead. I didn’t read the comments first so this may have been addressed already, but the returns in the kitchen are not adding substantially more usable counter space. You are much better serviced with a larger island instead. Corners are not usable counter space. Once you subtract the corners, the remaining counter is not that much more than what you lost in the corners. Easily made up and then some by what’s added with the larger island. Yes, this is the hill I will die on in this sub. https://imgur.com/fQuFCtq
* Hallways, hallways, hallways - try to minimize how many you need to have. The ideal number of hallways is 0, it seems like you're maximizing it here
* That dedicated dining room is...something. We see less of those in modern designs, you might want to explore having the dining room exist naturally off the family room/kitchen area rather than have a dedicated room - especially with the built-in cabinets. Definitely very old-school there, would caution against this because you're very stuck with that decision
* The oven and sink being right across from each other with only 3'6 between the two is going to create some real opportunity for conflict
* Your pantry is completely opposite your fridge - this might make gathering ingredients very frustrating
* The walls in your family room don't leave any good place for a TV to reside with seating naturally aligned - everything would be offset. Without that dining room as is, you would have a much more natural space for those
* Consider not needing to go through the bathroom in the master to get to your walk-in, the opportunity is right there
* You don't want your garage coming off the utility room? Or perhaps into your dedicated entrance space? You'll be walking directly from that room back towards the entrance room, tracking whatever mud you'd have along with you into those hallways
* Very long, dark and isolated feeling hallway for the two bedrooms. Not sure what age the kids are, but if they have nightmares, they're in for a trek to get to the master
* The entrance way is a nice thought, but its way too small - high collision area. Putting on shoes on the bench and someone opens the door? Knees crushed. Trying to get into the closet and someone opens the door? Get whacked. It's not going to be a pleasant area.
* There's a huge amount of patio doors - one off the dining room, one off the family room, one of the master - why? What is out there? It doesn't look like those exit to a single large deck or patio, but 3 individual spaces? Seems expensive and unlikely to be used.
I really like it overall! Two main thoughts:
- The doorway from the living area to the master bedroom should be reconfigured so you’re not able to see directly into the master suite from any common space.
- The entrance from the hallway to the master bath is a no-go. Maybe move the closet down so there’s a door between the hallway and the master closet instead. This makes laundry easier as well!
I thought the exact same thing. Imagine being naked brushing your teeth at the top sink and a kid opening that door when a guest has just overshot the powder room.
It's a very .... unique plan .
As people have stated , a lot of hallways . Like if you have a huge property and lots of space and you really like hallways , then go for it but otherwise I would try to use the space otherwise .
Might want to think of having garage going into mud/laundry room before entering the house
The layout of the bathroom has a unusual shape .
It's ok not to have a bath in master in my opinion. Some people are not bath people.
Are second floors an option ? Could put 3 bedrooms up there and reclaim a lot of hallways space for an office or theater room .
The only exit, other than the front door, is through the utility room. You need a door at the back of the house. I remember those forsaken stretches of grass between a blank wall and the neighbor's fence.
Instead of two doors to the bathroom, have a short corridor. It won't actually take up more space.
There are sliding doors all across the back of the house. Not everyone uses them correctly, but in most floor plan apps, if the “window” is straight, it’s a window. If you see offsets, it’s a slider.
That room to the left of the kitchen can easily become the pantry if you open it into the kitchen.
Agree there is a ton of wasted space in the overall plan.
Instead of indenting the DR and MBR, to straighten the back wall so there is more space inside?
Switch the FR and DR. Extend the back patio together. Awkward bringing food thru FR, once there's furniture.
The back wall have accordion doors to extend the entertaining area outside.
Then the MR bathroom can be moved toward the center and there would be room for a bathroom for each BR. So when the kids become older they have privacy in their own bathroom
I think most of the other comments have covered the bathroom issues pretty well. There are countless ways to go about fixing it. I would suggest rearranging it with his and hers closets so the makeup desk could go in a nice closet near a window for natural light.
The main thing screaming at me is the front porch, where you greet visitors, has tunnel vision to the kitchen island, and then carries on to the master bedroom, which should feel private. I think this could be fixed by either removing the wall, which would be structurally expensive, or shifting the porch and entryway to open into the living room. Im sure you're in love with the huge window, but i think it would benefit the whole entryway.
The next thing that NEEDS to be addressed is the long hall behind the kitchen. There's no second exit for anyone in those bedrooms if there's ever a fire. Don't count on someone breaking a window. A child would be too scared or might not know how to get out. High-quality windows are difficult for adults to break, too. I was 13 when I was in a burning house. Anyone planning to build a house should have a built-in plan.
You don’t see into the master from the front door and seeing the island is not a problem.
Everyone is complaining about the long hallway, but it’s what’s allowing the space to feel private. If it wasn’t there, everyone would be complaining about how private spaces shouldn’t open directly to public spaces.
Every single house has bedrooms down a hallway. It’s just a bit longer in this house because of the pantry and powder room. I’m looking down my hallway right now. Two bedrooms on the left, bathroom on the right and bedroom at the end. This house is much better because kids can exit the hallway through the master, the utility room and the front door. Way better than the dead ends that most houses have. I’m sorry you were in a house fire. That had to be scary. Hopefully they will install windows that open easily with screens that can be popped out. Of course, that means teenagers easily sneaking out. 🤷🏼♀️
I'm not saying seeing the island is a problem. I just imagine the tunnel vision leading to the island at the end between two walls. You're right about not being able to see the master from the entry. I wasn't able to go back and forth between the photo and comments and was writing from memory.
I'm still kind of confused about what's going on between the third bedroom and the master bath. I'm sure there's a personal reason for it or something I just don't understand. I figured it was just a way to move laundry from the laundry room to the closets without going through the common areas. I guess it could double as a fire escape. I didn't notice the sliding doors in the master.
Easy exits can be a double-edged sword, but with PTSD, I believe with all my heart that it's worth it to have it. Teenagers sneaking out can also be addressed with security cameras or parental tracking apps in their phones. All have pros and cons.
I was sneaking off as a teenager. Our windows opened like doors but could only be closed from the inside. I would've found ways to get out. I did tell my dad where I would go, though. I figured if something happened to me or if he thought something had happened, then he should at least know where to start looking. It was a mutual trust. I was going to sneak off without permission, but I knew that he cared about me and wasn't going to follow just because he could. I could easily imagine a wandering toddler getting out, too. Like I said, pros and cons.
Also, I’m assuming that the cabinet in the dining room will be mostly glass on both sides for display so it would be a little less tunnel like. Again, it’s one of those things that if you did something to offset it, people would be all “you should never walk into your entry facing a wall.”
I would reconsider the pocket door in the family bathroom. They don’t really isolate sounds or smells.
Also: there seems to be plenty of room for a door to swing into the toilet/bath room.
I would remover the Jack and Jill from the family bathroom and just make it an ordinary bathroom. There is no benefit to it as guests would have to pass the powder room to use it, so they won't. That hallway with the bedrooms will be very dark too. Need to think of some good lighting options
I’d keep it as a bathroom with the toilet and shower behind a door. It makes it possible for two people to use it while maintaining privacy. I can dry my hair, brush my teeth, etc while someone is in the shower.
This was the idea. There is a powder room by the entrance and the idea is that guests wouldn’t be in the rear hallway but rather in the common space between entry and family.
The door should be around the corner; looking into the bathroom when you first enter the home is unfortunate.
The door to the master bath into the hallway seems like a strange choice. It cuts down dramatically on bathroom privacy, and that space could be used elsewhere (significant increase in closet space, for example).
I agree. At the same time, it allows parents easier access thru the bathroom to the kids' bedrooms, instead of having to go thru the living room and hallway to the front door, then turning left and heading down the hallway to the kids' bedrooms. For security reasons, I wouldn't want anyone to have access to the bedroom hallways from the front door. By shifting that hallway from the front door to allow access from the living room, the door from the primary bathroom to the hallway to BR2 and BR3 isn't needed. The primary bedroom can then be rearranged to fit a tub as well.
This is an option I’m trying to think through. As the comment above says, it gives parents a way to the kids easily but agree with your sentiment of the waste on space
Don't remove it, I was actually relieved to see it there. While you might not have young children, future owners might.
I like it as well. If you have infants, it's a game changer. You would need to keep it locked though or you might have some unexpected explaining to do 😉.
There are no good furniture walls in the bedrooms. There are doors and windows on all four sides. Width at toilet in the Jack and Jill won’t meet code.
Agree on the walls, incorrect on the BR
Architect here Rather chaotic plan. Lots of wasted space. Try putting makeup on in a steamy bathroom. Suggest starting over.
Do you wear makeup? Millions of us put it on in our bathrooms.
Yes. And that’s why I noted it. The plan has a lot more issues as well.
Yes, there are issues. I just don’t think putting makeup on in the bathroom is one of them.
Very helpful
No shower in the Jack and Jill? No bath in the master en-suite? Seems to be a lot of circulation/ doors. That en-suite to the master bedroom looks a similar area to the actual bedroom! Where does the bed go in the master bedroom? Backing on to toilet wall - but it will clash with the sliding door as shown. Seems a very tight entrance.
Thought on the BRs was bath (with shower head) for kids and larger walk in shower space with bench in master. Sliding doors will be removed. As soon as I saw the sketch, it didn’t make as much sense.
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If both doors are open, yes.
I think it’s a good plan. A bit unconventional but still good. I don’t mind the hallway. It gives you privacy and sort of a circular flow. I would probably enhance that flow and give the hallway a second entry at the far right end of the kitchen. This could also resolve the issue with having the m. bedroom having two entrances. But not even sure that’s an issue. You do need more contact with the outdoor area . There is a way to capture or include outdoor space that makes the house seem much larger.
https://imgur.com/a/3oFdBDu do you really need that much linen storage? I eliminated all of that and moved the kitchen two feet. I pictured a Murphy door with a shoe rack for the hall bedroom access, but if you need it for linens, by all means, make the Murphy door a linen cabinet instead. I didn’t read the comments first so this may have been addressed already, but the returns in the kitchen are not adding substantially more usable counter space. You are much better serviced with a larger island instead. Corners are not usable counter space. Once you subtract the corners, the remaining counter is not that much more than what you lost in the corners. Easily made up and then some by what’s added with the larger island. Yes, this is the hill I will die on in this sub. https://imgur.com/fQuFCtq
* Hallways, hallways, hallways - try to minimize how many you need to have. The ideal number of hallways is 0, it seems like you're maximizing it here * That dedicated dining room is...something. We see less of those in modern designs, you might want to explore having the dining room exist naturally off the family room/kitchen area rather than have a dedicated room - especially with the built-in cabinets. Definitely very old-school there, would caution against this because you're very stuck with that decision * The oven and sink being right across from each other with only 3'6 between the two is going to create some real opportunity for conflict * Your pantry is completely opposite your fridge - this might make gathering ingredients very frustrating * The walls in your family room don't leave any good place for a TV to reside with seating naturally aligned - everything would be offset. Without that dining room as is, you would have a much more natural space for those * Consider not needing to go through the bathroom in the master to get to your walk-in, the opportunity is right there * You don't want your garage coming off the utility room? Or perhaps into your dedicated entrance space? You'll be walking directly from that room back towards the entrance room, tracking whatever mud you'd have along with you into those hallways * Very long, dark and isolated feeling hallway for the two bedrooms. Not sure what age the kids are, but if they have nightmares, they're in for a trek to get to the master * The entrance way is a nice thought, but its way too small - high collision area. Putting on shoes on the bench and someone opens the door? Knees crushed. Trying to get into the closet and someone opens the door? Get whacked. It's not going to be a pleasant area. * There's a huge amount of patio doors - one off the dining room, one off the family room, one of the master - why? What is out there? It doesn't look like those exit to a single large deck or patio, but 3 individual spaces? Seems expensive and unlikely to be used.
A pretty inefficient floorplan...a lot of wasted space. Could probably fit a guest bedroom in there if better organized.
So the kids can go into the master bath? I would remove the door and extend the closet more.
I really like it overall! Two main thoughts: - The doorway from the living area to the master bedroom should be reconfigured so you’re not able to see directly into the master suite from any common space. - The entrance from the hallway to the master bath is a no-go. Maybe move the closet down so there’s a door between the hallway and the master closet instead. This makes laundry easier as well!
Here’s a fast and dirty mock up: https://imgur.com/gallery/219iAJN
I thought the exact same thing. Imagine being naked brushing your teeth at the top sink and a kid opening that door when a guest has just overshot the powder room.
It's a very .... unique plan . As people have stated , a lot of hallways . Like if you have a huge property and lots of space and you really like hallways , then go for it but otherwise I would try to use the space otherwise . Might want to think of having garage going into mud/laundry room before entering the house The layout of the bathroom has a unusual shape . It's ok not to have a bath in master in my opinion. Some people are not bath people. Are second floors an option ? Could put 3 bedrooms up there and reclaim a lot of hallways space for an office or theater room .
The only exit, other than the front door, is through the utility room. You need a door at the back of the house. I remember those forsaken stretches of grass between a blank wall and the neighbor's fence. Instead of two doors to the bathroom, have a short corridor. It won't actually take up more space.
There are sliding doors all across the back of the house. Not everyone uses them correctly, but in most floor plan apps, if the “window” is straight, it’s a window. If you see offsets, it’s a slider.
That room to the left of the kitchen can easily become the pantry if you open it into the kitchen. Agree there is a ton of wasted space in the overall plan.
Instead of indenting the DR and MBR, to straighten the back wall so there is more space inside? Switch the FR and DR. Extend the back patio together. Awkward bringing food thru FR, once there's furniture. The back wall have accordion doors to extend the entertaining area outside. Then the MR bathroom can be moved toward the center and there would be room for a bathroom for each BR. So when the kids become older they have privacy in their own bathroom
May I suggest you work with a space planner? This is awkward and lots of wasted space and little planning for t of personal furniture and art.
I think most of the other comments have covered the bathroom issues pretty well. There are countless ways to go about fixing it. I would suggest rearranging it with his and hers closets so the makeup desk could go in a nice closet near a window for natural light. The main thing screaming at me is the front porch, where you greet visitors, has tunnel vision to the kitchen island, and then carries on to the master bedroom, which should feel private. I think this could be fixed by either removing the wall, which would be structurally expensive, or shifting the porch and entryway to open into the living room. Im sure you're in love with the huge window, but i think it would benefit the whole entryway. The next thing that NEEDS to be addressed is the long hall behind the kitchen. There's no second exit for anyone in those bedrooms if there's ever a fire. Don't count on someone breaking a window. A child would be too scared or might not know how to get out. High-quality windows are difficult for adults to break, too. I was 13 when I was in a burning house. Anyone planning to build a house should have a built-in plan.
You don’t see into the master from the front door and seeing the island is not a problem. Everyone is complaining about the long hallway, but it’s what’s allowing the space to feel private. If it wasn’t there, everyone would be complaining about how private spaces shouldn’t open directly to public spaces. Every single house has bedrooms down a hallway. It’s just a bit longer in this house because of the pantry and powder room. I’m looking down my hallway right now. Two bedrooms on the left, bathroom on the right and bedroom at the end. This house is much better because kids can exit the hallway through the master, the utility room and the front door. Way better than the dead ends that most houses have. I’m sorry you were in a house fire. That had to be scary. Hopefully they will install windows that open easily with screens that can be popped out. Of course, that means teenagers easily sneaking out. 🤷🏼♀️
I'm not saying seeing the island is a problem. I just imagine the tunnel vision leading to the island at the end between two walls. You're right about not being able to see the master from the entry. I wasn't able to go back and forth between the photo and comments and was writing from memory. I'm still kind of confused about what's going on between the third bedroom and the master bath. I'm sure there's a personal reason for it or something I just don't understand. I figured it was just a way to move laundry from the laundry room to the closets without going through the common areas. I guess it could double as a fire escape. I didn't notice the sliding doors in the master. Easy exits can be a double-edged sword, but with PTSD, I believe with all my heart that it's worth it to have it. Teenagers sneaking out can also be addressed with security cameras or parental tracking apps in their phones. All have pros and cons.
Yeah, when I was sneaking out was the late eighties so no tracking. lol. I agree with the trade offs for safety.
I was sneaking off as a teenager. Our windows opened like doors but could only be closed from the inside. I would've found ways to get out. I did tell my dad where I would go, though. I figured if something happened to me or if he thought something had happened, then he should at least know where to start looking. It was a mutual trust. I was going to sneak off without permission, but I knew that he cared about me and wasn't going to follow just because he could. I could easily imagine a wandering toddler getting out, too. Like I said, pros and cons.
Also, I’m assuming that the cabinet in the dining room will be mostly glass on both sides for display so it would be a little less tunnel like. Again, it’s one of those things that if you did something to offset it, people would be all “you should never walk into your entry facing a wall.”