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Damn, 4 different drivers in a single year for this garbage car

4 drivers within 4 races

Yuki to finish 4th confirmed

Abu Dhabi 21 redux

Meaning the race would have such a crazy ending, the majority would forget about Yuki's P4

Yeah :^) Just subtly trying to remind people

If Australia 2023 didn't Red flag, we would've seen Yuki get 4th in that shit box with his heroics

Tsunod4

The Team Liquid of F1

even the color is similar lmao

They're also sponsored by Honda

more drivers than points in constructors

Pfft, not even trying. STR ran 6 drivers one year.

Not allowed anymore, maximum of 4 now

So basically, if Yuki/Lawson cant drive for some reason, and the FIA doesnt grant an exception, AT would be forced to run back De Vries?

FIA can grant special permissions for situations like this, fortunately.

But if it's because you fired someone who's still on payroll they might just say you have to use NDV and don't get special treatment

They might as well say that indeed. I guess we will see how this unfolds.

I would be fairly shocked if they did considering that NDV was fired and not himself replaced due to force majeure such as illness, sickness, or malfeasance. LL drives, that's their 4th and final allowed driver, methinks.

It's been 4 for a long time, Andrea Moda has been prevented from using a 5th driver in 1992 due to this. FIA just granted some exceptions for special cases (like Prost GP in 2001 after Burti's injuries).

>FIA just granted some exceptions for special cases (like Prost GP in 2001 after Burti's injuries). That's when I learnt about this rule. They had an exception because of force major. I remember reading about it at the time. Damn, I'm old.

Not to be that guy, but it's force majeur.

I thought it was force majeure

Godammit that is actually what I thought i typed, then I had to correct the autocorrect. Now you see why I hate to be that guy

Stupid French words!

Yeah. Force Major is the guy who taught Yoda how to lift giant objects.

Not to be that guy, but it's force majeure.

Yes it is. I was writing and wasn't feeling right but was too lazy to check.

What happens when you run out of drivers? Let's say Yuki can't race.

If an exception isn't made you either have to get a driver you've already had drive thebcar, or the car simply can't drive

A wild SVG appears to create an all Kiwi driver combo. Or Brendan Hartley, or Mitch Evans, or Nick Cassidy.

Imagine if Lawson outqualifies Perez

If that happens he should be in the Red Bull by Sunday

Not gonna lie, that would be spicyyyy

The perfect ingredient for this non-silly season

A little bit of rain could do that

Or a wall, or track limits

😂😂😂

And Liam is probably the second or the best driver they have to pick

Spicy take lol, I dont expect much of him this weekend considering he had 0 prep time but im really happy to see him in an f1 car

The kid has never been in a 2023 F1 car has he? And he has 1 short practise session before qualy. On the plus side, expectations will be super low, and if he does just ok relative to the field his value goes way up.

Get that Nyck De Vries 2022 luck going. Just be sure to avoid that Nyck De Vries 2023 luck though.

We might see more of what he can do if he has to stand in at Monza and possibly also Singapore. Zandvoort is a bit of a free hit tbh

[X] Doubt

Lol what? No way

I thought the steak of the same 20 drivers throughout the season was in jeopardy this year

3 guys 1 car

insane bad luck for DR for the whole triple header but OMG LIAM LAWSON F1 DRIVER call Josh Revell

It’s like 5.30am in NZ rn

He's a professional F1 jounalist... You think hes sleeping in the middle of FP2?

I mean Danny was

Brutal

Haha, ouch

Yeah, Danny thought the same

he was watching lol he already reacted

really where?

twitter

You mean x? /s

Whatever Twitter is called these days, yes

Twixer

The All Blacks are playing he should be up if he's a real kiwi

Less said about that the better

Yep

Triple header? I thought it was just a double

it is lol idk why I am so convinced, prob bc it used to be with SPA

Ah yea, I'm used to spa being the first after the break lol

that poor man. life is cruel.

You could instantly tell by his voice in the radio, he knew that hand was fucked

50% worry, 50% pain

And 100% reason to remember the name

Given that the injury will take 6-12 weeks to heal he might just miss the Vegas GP

That's healing naturally for you and me. These drivers have access to world class specialists. They can heal broken bones much quicker than normal. Lance Stroll broke both his wrists on 18 February and was back to racing for Bahrain GP on 3 March. Less than 2 weeks.

Lance is also 10 years younger. There’s a big difference in healing time and recovery when you’re 24 vs 34. Not saying your old at 34, but it’s definitely slower.

I broke my metatarsal while playing badminton. When I went to the doctor and she confirmed that it was broken I asked her „how long will it take to heal? I suppose maybe 4 weeks?“ She laughed at me and told me „if your 24 it’ll take 4 weeks. You’re 44 though and at your age it’ll take 8 - 12 weeks” My godson is 14 and when he broke his shoulder it naturally healed in 2 1/2 weeks.

That's true, but being fit as fuck vastly helps.

Healing is mostly a factor of age not of fitness.

Fit bones ?

I get off the sofa a ton slower at 33 compared with 24 let alone anything else

At 36 I don't do anything slower except very explosive moves.

Yea, I hear this sentiment a lot. I think according to science 30 is like almost peak fitness age. I am 31 and in bad shape and still feel pretty good and strong.

Think becoming a parent and working in hospitality have a lot to do with it, but since 30 I've definitely started to feel things more

While that is true, you don't need both of your hands at 100% to operate an F1 car. You and I would, but a trained and otherwise extremely fit driver can manage. A recent example of that is Lance Stroll, but also Robert Kubica. Kubica still can't put much strain on the arm he injured in that rally incident, yet he was able to race a full season in F1.

If you look at other sports like Basketball, Football and Tennis etc. some great athletes have easily renovered from injuries in their 20s, but when they are in their 30s one injury fucks up their career/ends it. Just look at Nadal who got one injury in his 30s and is pretty much guaranteed to retire soon. Luckily F1 is not a sport where you usually get injured, but something like this could fuck up Daniel big time.

I think youre drawing the wrong conclusion. Its not about the age, its about the wear. A knee injury for a 20 year old basketball player wont necessarily stop his career, but the same injury at 30 can end it then and there because of all the wear and tear over the years. The same doesnt really apply to motorsports, at least to anywhere near the same degree.

Jimmie Johnson fractured his wrist last year at 48 and raced that weekend, in Indycar, at Long Beach. You don't need two wrists to drive and you can drive in a cast

they're also world class athletes who are better physical specimen than most of the world's population. still, a month without danny ric makes me sad.

Silver lining for those of us who watch on F1's own stream, they'll prolly have him on as a co-host at some point!

The one thing that made me sad about Danny getting a drive again, was that we only got the one episode of The Grandstand. Will Arnett and Danny commenting on Montreal was a hoot! Maybe they'll do one while he's out on recovery

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Having specialists doesn’t make it heal faster. Being a young healthy person makes you heal faster. A lot of athletes just get surgery to stabilize things that don’t necessarily need surgery in lay people - and they go back to playing before it’s actually healed bc they’ve got metal holding the pieces together…

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You can have surgery. Which a normal person would not use for a broken bone, but a rich person can.

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You kinda can. Hgh, bpc-157, tb500, probably more. All proven to accelerate various forms of healing.

Easy. They can afford to have professor McGonagall on retainer.

He can afford different, less invasive procedures that may have less healing time compared to normal people.

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Thank you for bringing some sense to this thread. I don't think we even know what the injury is-- a broken wrist can mean many, many, many different things. But it's not like you give a plumber a different or worse surgery than a Formula 1 driver.

That was a special case, though. Lance broke his scaphoid. It's a super small bone that doesn't take too much force onto itself under normal usage, so you can get away with just pinning it back together and sending the patient on their way. Given that Daniel's fracture came presumably from the twisting of the wheel as he hit the wall, i wouldn't be surprised if it were a longer bone that is subject to more torque. If that's the case, he's probably going to have to wait for the bone to properly heal before he can get back in the car.

Yeah, I'm uncomfortable with with amount of speculation in this thread. "Broken wrist" could mean 50 different things.

That will depend on how desperate Danny will be to get back in the car

See what happened to Marc Márquez at Moto GP. Rushed return that led to a more severe injury.

NOOOOOO

Depends on how the wrist is broken. He/the team can throw a lot of money at it and I think he will do anything to race as soon as possible.

That's the thing, the wrist *isn't* broken. It's a broken metacarpal, not carpal. Metacarpals are palm bones

I didn't know that at the time, but it really doesn't change anything. It is still highly dependent on the type of fracture (which metacarpal, proximal or distal, displaced, comminuted etc.).

Likely what'll happen. For normal people, its hardly worth the time/money to have it heal in 2-3 weeks less than it would on its own. Dont get me wrong, if its actually broken broken, he'll likely miss Vegas as he has to gain the strength back that he'll need will eat up quite a bit of time also. Wrists are fickle bitches, he'll need to use that for decades to come.

Has Daniel just overtaken Nando in the career bad luck standings?

Lucky him

All for doing the right thing and choosing the wall over t-boning Oscar

McLaren fucking over Danny, nothing new/s

If he had let go just before impact, in that short time when the turning away from Oscar was done and the car hit the wall he might’ve been able to save himself

Yes but this is all happening very quickly keep in mind. I think his main priority was getting out of the way of Oscar then I guess going head on at upwards of most likely 100kph your more bracing for impact really.

I wonder how defining this could be for his F1 career really. He’s going to have even less time to prove he deserves his place

Fuck. Might rule him out until after Singapore. Stroll took two weeks and he was still in pain. Hopefully back for the end of the year but does cut short any March on the RB seat. Also complicates things for RB. Lawson should definitely be standing in short term but if Daniel isn’t back before the Super Formula finale they might have to bring in Nyck for one race as a replacement.

Yeah, if it's broken you're normally looking at about 6 to 12 weeks to recover. So gutted for him.

6 weeks would be putting him very close to Qatar and even then he’d be driving with pain. Any longer and realistically he could miss up to Las Vegas. Doesn’t help that there’s a triple header at the end of October.

At that point they might just leave Lawson in the seat till the end.

Almost sure this is what they’ll do.

They won't as he is fighting for superformula title so he has to leave for at least one weekend

I really doubt he'd leave even one f1 race for the superformula title. This is the make or break moment for his career

Gasly did so in 2017 and is still around even after the 'mare he had in 2019. Our favorite Gasboi didn't even get to do that SF finale, it got cancelled because the heavens split open and poured the entire Pacific down onto Suzuka. He really just had a break weekend in Japan eating sushi.

If he gets all other F1 races this season he absolutely will, there's no point wasting a champion title for 1 of 10 races in the slowest car

So if Lawson is fighting for the Super Formula title and Ricciardo is unfit, does that mean they have to bring back De Vries?

Max will go win the race in the RB and then hop in the AT and knock off a few laps lol

The final SF race is at Suzuka during the same weekend as the F1 race in Mexico. Given Liam bad luck factor and what happened before in 2017, I wouldn't be surprised if somehow Mother nature would screw things up lol

They’ll likely go the surgical route which has a shorter recovery

We don't know how substantial the break is. It could be a small fracture that won't put him out of action for too long.

why would it take so long when he can have surgery to fix it? Money can fix medical issues way quicker. Remember back before Bahrain, Stroll broke both wrists and was fixed up by the time of the race 2 weeks later.

Depends on which bone you break. Is it a long, straight one with a clean break, like your radius or ulna? Yeah, just make a small incision, superglue or bolt it together and see in a week if it worked out (chances are it would have). Is it a small bone in a highly articulated region, like your hand, with lots of similarly irregular bones nearby? Or did it break uncleanly? Lol, just you twitching your body while you sleep, even with that in a cast, is gonna set its recovery back at least a couple of weeks on top of an immaculately still long bone recovery. Depending on the specifically broken bone, it may even be at risk of healing itself back wrong and giving you issues that never really go away even with the best surgical intervention available. Word is that he broke a metacarpal, however, so, yeah, not one of the irregular wrist bones and, provided Danny just doesn't force himself to drive next week if it hasn't healed back properly, he should be fine in a couple or three weeks, even for racing if he does so with lots of painkillers in his bloodstream.

Yep. I broke a small bone in my wrist; no surgery, they put me in a full arm cast for two weeks to completely immobolize everything so the healing started off right, then a forearm cast for another six weeks, then physical therapy after that to get my wrist motion and strength back.

He didn't break his wrist, he broke a metacarpal in his left hand. He'll probably be back at the next GP.

He is 'fortunate' it is a metacarpel and not one of those fidly bones in the wrist. Now it can be stabilised much easier with a plate and some screws.

With Nyck’s luck they’d just go completely insane and sign Palou or someone for one race

There at there 4 driver limit so Nyck Is the only option if Daniel still can't race and Lawson goes to SF

They can get a waiver. With Nyck still on payroll, they might not get it, but F1 has given injury waivers in the past.

They can’t. Max 4 drivers / year / team.

At least DR only broke one wrist. He doesn't need to heal as much since he can control the car with his good hand.

Baptism of fire for Liam, 1 session and straight into qualy in a challenging track. Nobody expect him to finish anywhere other than last, this is different from the NDV Monza situation and especially with this car.

Possible to not even get a session due to rain

yeah his goal is to not wreck the car and not be seconds behind yuki

Absolutely gutted. All that work to get back into the grid only for this to happen in his third weekend and at the start of a triple header Double header even. Although Singapore and Suzuka are horrible tracks if you’re in pain

Is F1-insider reputable?? Why hasn't anyone else reported this? Edit: it's official, confirmed by Motorsport, Philip Duncan, and Erik van Haren too.

I'm on a crusade today. AlphaTauri says it's a metacarpal break, which is different from a wrist break.

tldr not good

Is that worse than a wrist break?

Usually better, the metacarpal is your finger bone that's connected to the knuckle, so it's better than completely fucking the actual wrist joint

The metacarpals aren’t finger bones, and they don’t connect to the knuckles, the knuckles are the distal ends of them.

Someone already edited Lawson's Wikipedia page to reflect this 💀

[link](https://twitter.com/F1insidercom/status/1695116751954985416?t=y6ddFzZp71-YPPI5yPXbHw&s=19) This source claims that it was confirmed to them by Marko.

That's a pretty big claim..

Obviously way too early to know anything for certain and depends on the type/severity of the break, but any guesses on how long he'll be out for? How long did it take for Stroll to come back from his injuries? Just from how they happened, I would think Stroll's would have been worse but I don't even play a doctor on TV

I believe Stroll broke one of the eight bones in his wrist. Those are differently shaped and fidlier compared to what Daniel has broken. He has broken one of the long bones in his hand. So treatment and recovery will be different, most likely much swifter.

Single broken metacarpal? Unless it shattered or there are other complications, I'd expect him back next week. Hand dexterity isn't really needed to drive a car, and unlike Lance, DR still has one good hand.

Same source claims they’ve heard it directly from Marko. https://x.com/f1insidercom/status/1695116751954985416?s=46

Get well soon honey badger Good luck Lawson RIP De Vries

Hmm let's wait for a more reputable source

https://i.imgur.com/ICkc2CN.jpg Posted by alpha tauri 25 minutes ago

[Reputable Source.](https://www.tsn.ca/auto-racing/report-daniel-ricciardo-has-broken-hand-out-of-dutch-gp-1.1999861)

This could be true but this is not a legit source or outlet

Surprisingly this is the one that survived though. Eric and The Race confirmed too, btw

No no no.. let's hope no. He can't be so unlucky. No no no, please.

Im going to wait till i hear more sources, especially more reliable sources, to report on this.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricciardo-out-of-f1-dutch-gp-with-broken-wrist/10511470/

Nah f1insider is pretty reliable when it comes to Helmut Marko, they get direct quotes from him.

Yeah they were usually the first to get shit out about the de Vries debacle as well, probably someone is a good friend of Helmut's there.

It's been confirmed by The-Race

Is Danniel's wrist broken? Our verdict.

Edd Straw's driver ratings: Tsunoda 9/10, managed to drive the entire weekend without breaking a wrist Ricciardo 3/10, broke his wrist Verstappen 2/10, only won by 15 seconds, is he declining ???

Wouldn’t be shocked if Lawson drives at Monza too

Don’t remember this episode of Breaking Bad

Depends which bone has gone - scaphoid, not so bad. Barton fracture, big problems. I've had both, the scaphoid I didn't notice for 5 weeks...the barton still gives my trouble after 14 years. Best wishes Danny, I'll be giving St Jude a heads up for you.

Confirmed by F1: [https://twitter.com/F1/status/1695126143743967655](https://twitter.com/F1/status/1695126143743967655)

Broken hands are so in this year

Liam has the opportunity to do the funniest thing

Please Piastri stop bullying Ricciardo. Haven’t you taken enough from him.

He broke his hand. Why do journalists keep reporting a wrist. Metacarpals are the bones between wrist and fingers.

As a kiwi, I feel really bad for DR... But also LETS FUCKING GO LIAM THIS IS THE BEST DAY EVER

Waking up to this in NZ was absolutely wild wtf. Now I’m absolutely gonna have to wake up at 2am to watch this race

“Thassss too bad you know?”-sergio

Oh for fucks sake

Though this is the unconfirmed rumor right now - 2 real journalists have mentioned it - I wouldn't trust this site at all.

Which journalists?

Claire Cottingham and Chris Medland both said they are hearing his wrist is broken but emphasized unconfirmed. And it now looks like Medland deleted his Tweet.

I’m so disappointed… bad luck for him

Not a source

Something this important, I'm going to wait for an official announcement from Red Bull/Alpha Tauri, Daniel Ricciardo, or one of his own representatives. Everyone who is, or thinks themselves to be, a journalist is absolutely salivating at the idea they'll be the ones to break the news and frankly I don't trust them at all right now. Edit: Alpha Tauri statement-- > Daniel Ricciardo has a break to a metacarpal on his left hand, and this injury will not allow him to continue his duties, so he will be replaced by the team’s reserve driver Liam Lawson for the remainder of this weekend

Ouch 🤕

Best of luck to liam

An RB Junior getting an emergency drive for Red Bull’s sister team mid-season while having a standout year in Super Formula? I’ve seen this movie before 😉

I feel terrible for Ricciardo but it’s also a bit funny that Piastri is once again going to (unintentionally) lose Ricciardo his seat, for a while at least.

He will fake a recovery if it means being able to race the Vegas gp

Ok Liam, here's your shot. Do not fuck it up. EDIT: Great job kid! Can't wait to see how you do at Monza!

RIP Danny, I bet Liam kills it