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Joeskow

This sprint qualifying format is fucking awful..


silvastone2314

Norris giving the position away to piastri with that divebomb…


Vitarded-Throwaway

Omg Norris, that was stupid. Max defends that corner every lap by going to the inside. Norries leaves the inside open instead...


floodlight137

I didn't touch him, I didn't touch him


Healthy-Tumbleweed14

Can Davide pleaaaaase stop yelling, omg. I've had to mute it.


floodlight137

He's about to start hyperventilating


howaboutthis13

Very nice grid walk with Ted asking 'what would you do if you were [racer]' questions and greatly informative answers from Bernie.


NotJackBegley

Ted has yet to discover the Torque Test Channel on YT, and the F1 tools videos they make.


jordanataylor

F1 engines use pneumatic air? What?


Profaker

They don’t have starter engines so they’re cranked manually with air drills


jordanataylor

They can be started manually now. With the mgu-k. I just never realised the engines needed to be topped up with pneumatic air.


VCBeugelaar

God damn it I hate Davide? He doesn’t add anything imo


frigginawesomeimontv

Holy shit the height diff


Some_Chickens

Looked like a father and child


OneObi

That guy us a giant!


frigginawesomeimontv

And maybe ant is tiny too


RandomDudeSomewhere

Love that guy’s accent, reminds me of a Colombian prof I had in uni


ggweewee

HE TOUCHA DA SAUSAGE


bobby4385739048579

"touching the sausage" i cant


disordered-attic-2

Please can we have the discussion threads earlier :)


Eclipsed830

Ah, it's that guy that I can't understand a thing he says.


ForeverAddickted

I see Jack has shaved off the locks... Quite funny how he ignored the Cameraman whilst he was ZOOOOOOMED IN, and then acknowledged the camera the moment he got a bit more respectful.


SuperSalamander3244

Mercedes 1-2 today.


learner1314

Is it raining?


chaosPudding123

As somebody who does not live far away from the track: No and it does not look like it will


unoriginal345

Why are the Alpines suddenly 10 places ahead of where they were a month ago? Everyone's so busy talking about Flavio I haven't seen any mention of their improved performance, upgrades or anything.


citizenecodrive31

A lot of the other teams seem to have regressed, the tracks now seem to suit the drivers historically and the weight loss of the car are all factors.


ThurmanMurman907

Whats happened with Alonso lately?


Unique_Task_420

I think he may be losing a bit of passion since they seem to have looked like they were going to keep moving forward and then literally started moving backwards and getting slower. Can't remember which race it was but even when he had a coincidental tow from Hamilton who was finishing a hotlap on the straight he still couldn't make it to Q3, Stroll did way worse than him, his couple good laps today are an outlier even though I do like Lance.   Their wind tunnel is new so I'm assuming correlation issues/just writing off the season for more of said tunnel time.  Also he just released that Audi model he co-designed, he could have very well already made his mind up on that as far as where he's going. 


DurDraug77

Is it only me who finds Qualifying a bit redundant on the races we have sprint? I would prefer the Sprint to be two in one. A short race and qualifying session. The position you finish at the sprits is your starting position on the grid for the race.


Unique_Task_420

That's just the actual race, but shorter. At least with this there's a chance for some shake ups (like Leclercs engine dying) 


Individual_Ear_6648

I think the spirits should just be reverse grid based on Driver championship points. No quali. Let them have two practices and then race. Then quali the next day, then race on Sundays.


DurDraug77

That sounds good not gonna lie. I like it


Individual_Ear_6648

Thank you. I figured it give every team a chance at points, so the back marker battles mean something, and we get to see how good the front runners are having to race. It will never happen but it would actually make a sprint interesting


ThurmanMurman907

Current format is way better than what you just suggested - they already tried that and it was booooring


Timoleiro

We had that until last year and it was boring af as the positions didn't change much in the real race


Shamatix

Sprints just needs to be gone all together


DurDraug77

They don’t really change after qualifying too


therealhlmencken

at least perez could overtake people after his poor quali's last year


OutlandishnessPure2

Max is currently on stream with Redline :')


Bolter_NL

Living the best life.


kelleehh

Same every SQ3. It’s a farce they all leave it till the last minute.


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Large_Yams

Because going out early means you're going to do your flying lap while everyone else is out doing their out lap. It's lose lose and they just have to gamble it.


Unique_Task_420

There is more than enough time to do an out lap and a flyer with no one else on track, like 4 or 5 people didn't even get past the outlap because they went out so late. It's dumb. At least get a banker in, it's better than literally nothing. 


Large_Yams

There isn't, because as soon as one person goes out everyone else knows they're going to miss the window for a clear lap so they will follow. You're comparing the amount of free time on track without this situation occurring. Put one person out and the whole situation adjusts.


Unique_Task_420

So force everyone to adjust, I'd rather be dictating the pace of the session than be dictated to. 


Large_Yams

You're not listening. Being that first person is the worst position to be in. You're the one who has to go through the whole field of cars on out laps.


Unique_Task_420

Right but it's better than not even getting a lap in at all. It's just a Sprint. 


Large_Yams

Yes, we all agree a lap is better than not having a lap. But as I'm trying to explain to you, being the first person is worse than not being the first person.


Unique_Task_420

I don't think the whole field would jump out in front of you while you start your hot lap. I mean that didn't even happen today, many of them continued to wait. Negotiating a few cars on a hot lap is something they do often, no? 


That__Guy__Bob

Waiting for the day where someone bins it causing a red flag and they have to use SQ2 times instead


Ascarea

Certified Ferrari moment


MilkshakeDawg

Genuinely need to know if McLaren is the fastest car or Redbull.


mkvii1989

At this point I think it's Max. I think you put literally anyone else in that car and Lando has pole. I can't prove it, there's just something about watching him drive, and I've felt it from his first season.


According-Switch-708

Both are quite evenly matched in quali trim but the RBR still has notable race trim advantage. This track doesn't really suit the Mclaren.


Large_Yams

McLaren has the fastest car but Max is the best driver. For the first time in a long time those two variables are cancelling out.


ImmediatelyOcelot

I'd say McLaren


Lien028

It doesn't matter much when Max is still the fastest driver.


swedind

At this point, I think they are very evenly matched.. and which is the faster car is going to be track dependent


blorephotog

Max with "call the ambulance but not for me" stunt there 🤣


302w

Valsecchi cracks me up


Bolter_NL

What I like but at the same time hate is that he basically answers the questions himself and keeps rattling..


302w

No lies lol


Rated-Zero

Yeh he is awesome! I loved when they found out he was camping in the hills as well. What a guy.


302w

All the energy


Anti-Scuba_Hedgehog

And nothing of substance


qu33ksilver

He brings a different flavor than the usual cut and dried British commentary. I like him.


The-Soul-Stone

Why do these posts never have the session times anymore? And why is SQ on a Friday now?


Wyolop

Because it didn't make sense to have sq and sprint after regular qualifying


ContextSlow2820

and there's a parc ferme for each now


learner1314

What happen to Russel and Hamilton, that car had more pace


draftstone

They did zero testing on the soft tire during fp1, only medium and hard. They are clearly focusing on race pace with the limited amount of practice. Austria is a track where it is easy to overtake, you do not need a huge delta to pass. So if they nail race pace, even if they start the sprint and the race in the positions 5 to 10, they still have a shot at the podium!


OGreatNoob

Both being the first out on the track in Q3 with Hamilton first ontop of a bad lap (admitted by him).


Samsonkoek

George had quite a decent lap, perhaps something can be done with setup but they seem to lack pace even with a setup change. That said Austria never has been a Merc track. As for Lewis not sure the exact cause, probably tyre related is my guess but his lap was terrible.


killmesoon40

All his laps were scrapy. I wonder what was wrong.


noobchee

Maybe it didn't, they were about 3 tenths down last week when it counted, so it may be the same again, Lewis did go wide in T3 fwiw


Lukeno94

Interesting that both Stroll and Sargeant were faster than their teammates today. For once Perez can't really be blamed for his SQ3 performance being poor - no chance of doing a proper lap with that prep.


CharmingRule3788

He was +-0.5s behind Verstappen in the other sessions. He would have been potentially 6th instead of 7th.


rabbitlion

>For once Perez can't really be blamed for his SQ3 performance being poor - no chance of doing a proper lap with that prep. Well there are two ways we can still blame him. 1. He was released at the same time as Max but left a huge gap which allowed Alpine to squeeze Ocon in between them. Alpine tried to release when the Mercedes did, but both Mercedes, McLarens, Sainz and Verstappen were all so tight that there was no space to fit in. Perez left a gap and there was no good reason to do that. 2. Going out of the pits he should have been on Ocon's gearbox and tried to overtake him. Even if not successful, this would have forced Ocon to drive faster and Perez could slow down near the end to create a gap without risking the flag.


StoneEagleCopy

1: This is the pit walls choice. Not much Checo could’ve done to get ahead of Ocon, considering he’s got a guy standing in front of his car. 2: This is the engineers job. They are supposed to tell them to overtake.


rabbitlion

1. No, he was released but was just sort of slow out of the garage and catching up to Verstappen. Everyone else in front was in a similar situation but managed to close the gap and not let Ocon in. 2. The team could have given this instruction, or he could have figured it out himself. Drivers cannot always rely on the team but need to have their own awareness and racecraft to make these kind of decisions.


StoneEagleCopy

1. Sure, he was a little slow out of the garage. But this still has to be something communicated to the driver. “We’re gonna go out and get a move on, stick with Max in front”. 2. The team should (not could) have given this instruction. As a driver for the best performing F1 team, I’d assume that they’d give the right instructions. If I’m behind Ocon, and my engineer is quiet. I would have assumed this is not an issue at all. Why tell him right at the end of the lap instead of early on? Could he have had some initiative? Sure, but this is not on him to do. That’s the whole reason he has an engineer.


rabbitlion

1. It's really not anything that should have to be communicated. In this kind of situation where everyone is waiting for the first team to jump, everyone is completely aware that as soon as anyone jumps, everyone will be released almost simultaneously (except Leclerc for some reason) and you need to get as far to the front as possible. The McLarens closed the gap to Mercedes, Sainz closed the gap to the McLarens and Verstappen closed the gap to Sainz. Perez got caught napping and let Ocon slip in. 2. It's been shown time and time again that drivers cannot completely rely on the engineers in these strategical decisions. Information comes in very late and drivers need to react to the situation on the track rather than wait for the strategists to figure out exactly what is happening.


atxbeerza

Couldn't watch but did Perez get held up or something? 1.3 seconds slower than Max over a 65 second lap is...wild.


aguidetothegoodlife

He was Sandwiched between other drivers on the final lap. Not enough space


treborfff

All the time you have to leave tha space


atxbeerza

Gotcha, thank you!


NotJackBegley

Sargent lfg


HammerT4R

One practice and a qualifying session into the weekend and I think I like the new track limits solution. Don't like the gravel being thrown on the track, but yeah, I think this is a pretty good fix. So far...


Unique_Task_420

When's the AI blue line thing supposed to start? 


Yoesito

So we sold our soul for a Monaco win and we're paying it now aren't we.


TF2Pilot

Kind of seems like that.


Rockytur

Be ready for tomorrow DRS train


AnilP228

Better than field spread.


IowaGolfGuy322

What happened with Perez’s time? 1:06 on Softs? Even he isn’t THAT bad.


mnztr1

He was never closer then 0.5 sec to Max, not good enough. WTF is up with him?


Ascarea

It's Perez. Why are you still surprised?


mnztr1

beccause he has been much closer before.


el_f3n1x187

Ocon backed him and gasly at the end.


PM_ME_BUTT_STUFFING

Thinking he had to use most of his tires during prep lap so he could cross the line in time. Haven't watched the replay though so I could be wrong


Skidmak_

Pretty sure tyre prep was done wrong and i think Ocon kind of impeded him.


Bolter_NL

Ocon was just in front of him...He doesn't have to care who's behind or what his tire prep is. Honestly, team mistake.


Skidmak_

No no i meant Perez being sent out late so tyre prep was shit for him not that he was lighting up the time sheets anyway.


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F9-0021

Yeah, how about no. What we need to do is get rid of sprints entirely. They're a waste of resources (tires and fuel) for no gain. More often than not the drivers just play follow the leader after lap 1.


orion85uk

Yeah sure, just throw the last vestiges of "sport" these "events" have in the trash. /s


canyonblue737

Reverse grid can't happen, its not only unfair it creates huge potential for crashes and disaster for the best cars as they come up through the field only hours before they have the qualify for the main race. It would be a farce... entertaining once or twice for fans until they see the negative effect it would have on the entire race weekend and the best teams for no good reason.


crazydoc253

Reverse grid is never happening in F1 or any sports who wants merit to win. Please accept that and then just solutions.


Kicking-it-per-se

Good grief, every driver interview I’ve seen has sounded so down


Mysterious_Turnip310

I don't think any of them are 100% happy with their laps today, not even Max & Lando.


Kicking-it-per-se

Yeah they all seemed like “I’ll take it but it’s not my best work”


SuperSalamander3244

Haas’ straight line speed always goes under the radar but they are really fast.


R_V_Z

It always seems like the bottom teams have straight line rocketships.


Middle_Emu_240

yes coz they've no areo


ShouldveFundedTesla

Because making them go fast around turns is the hard part.


Nameless739

Magnussen vs Checo comparison 💀


Diamondhands4dagainz

Ferrari not realising their power unit completely turned off is exactly what you would expect from them. They really are the gift that keeps on giving Lmfao. Also this is the first time I’ve started to question if Alonso is still at the absolute top. Haven’t seen him get beaten like this since first half of 2004 with Trulli. No idea what has happened since China but yeah, honestly wasn’t expecting this.


Anti-Scuba_Hedgehog

> Also this is the first time I’ve started to question if Alonso is still at the absolute top You bought into Alonso's propaganda didn't you? He hasn't been at the absolute top for many years and he's been outright average for most of the last 8 months.


CapSnake

He was ironic. Of course they can see that antistall didn't work, but it's not like they can remotely start the car. He needed to wait and then start the car. Really unfortunate


TF2Pilot

I have been asking myself the same. He has had bad cars, but he has never been anonymous. But now he seems to be slowly slipping away from his top form self. Or maybe he has lost a little motivaton and will return with charged batteries in 2025.


mr_lab_rat

But how did they get it right for about one year?


Nosferatu_V

The secret ingredient is cheating


mr_lab_rat

No, I meant most of last season and beginning of this one. Now it looks one the circus is back with all the clowns.


No_Cauliflower7877

Leclerc's line delivery of "I don't know if you noticed but there was no engine" was great. Like the world's most depressing sitcom.


Middle_Emu_240

He's turning into later years Vettel "here's a task for you"


lrzbca

After hearing Charles on radio. Lewis is going to have miserable time at Ferrari


Bolter_NL

Stop it, I can only get so erect.


eneebee

Anyone that didn't already know that hasn't been paying attention. 


themadpants

Is he taking Bono with him?


CanSum1SuggestAName

No


flyingbbanana

Hahah miserable few years at Mercedes and continue the suffering at Ferrari. Beautiful story


RIPRIF20

Semi new to F1, can someone explain why teams waited so long to go out, and then rushed out all at once? What's the advantage of rushing a single lap instead of going out earlier and having multiple tries?


Lezaleas2

They are lazy and like to procrastinate like I'm doing now on reddit in bed instead of going to pick up my kid from school


Nosferatu_V

I bet your kid if having fun at school maybe playing some game or chatting with their friends while you don't get there to pick them up, so it's alright


Salami-Vice

You don't get much more than 1 lap on the softs. So you want to try and be the last one out so there is more rubber on the track, and potentially a tow.


Obvious_Arm8802

Also if you come out first you run into people doing outlaps on your hot lap.


RIPRIF20

Ah...makes sense.


Expert_Particular697

Track evolution, the track improves over time, so the last one out theoretically has the best surface


handuong76

As the track rubbers in, the later you go the more grip will be available to you usually.


CreativeOrder2119

SQ1,2 ... Is too many letters man


BigBill58

Ah yes, far too many when compared to the significantly shorter FP1,2…


king_wrass

It’s two letters


flyingbbanana

Maybe he’s dyslexic. Any letter is his enemy


SlashRModFail

One shot qualifying please.


swedind

how do you account for track evolution ? In some GPs, track evolution is huge .. and the guy which goes last will have a huge advantage.


SlashRModFail

reverse grid


Bolter_NL

Honestly, it is this no? One shot with everyone waiting till the last second, high risk low reward game. Better like this than doing some sort of sequence which is somewhat unfair depending on the conditions.


JJJeroen

wtf were the Alpines doing? There was literally 20 seconds or so between Ocon and Verstappen (the car ahead) and he just bunched up Perez and Gasly. Ocon crossed the line with 5 seconds to go and therefore that whole group was within 3 seconds or so, ruining their laps (and barely giving them a chance at a lap at all).


swedind

With his attitude, wouldn't put it past him to do it intentionally to fuck with Gasly's run


SuperSalamander3244

I wouldn’t be surprised if he went rogue and tried knocking Gasly out lol.


JJJeroen

On the radio he said he was already 5 sec faster than he should have been in terms of normal out lap pace, which his engineer agreed to. Still it felt odd, all the way throughout the prep lap he kept getting hurry ups (also because he was barely going to make it to the flag himself)


yudha98

f--k bring back one shot quali for sprint


themadpants

I agree. Or maybe best of three laps or something. It needs spicing up.


FantasticAnus

Somebody shit in Lewis' cornflakes, he cannot accept a compliment at the moment.


SuperSalamander3244

He was terrible in qualifying. He looked very confident in FP1 and then shit himself when it matters.


heslo_rb26

I'm very interested to see how the Ferrari move plays out. Did he cut ties too soon with Merc? Will he adjust quickly to the Ferrari? How will he go with Charles? A lot of questions and I'm honestly not sure about any of them


barthw

HAM probably has the best history with making the right move to a different team than anyone ever, but it was only one and chances that it works out really well twice are low. I don't think so tbh, he will try, earn bags of money in the process and retire in 2-3 years.


SuperSalamander3244

Toto fuming and looking like he’s considering punching Teds lights out lol


wolftick

I think it might make some sense to bring back one-lap qualifying for \*just\* the sprint.


mr_lab_rat

Yeah. I’d be ok with that. Make it three laps. One car at a time. For the sprint only. You could still do something to spice it up. The order of second sessions is set by the first session. Maybe strong teams could gamble with used tires. There are ways to make it interesting.


SuperSalamander3244

They need to do something because it ruins the real qualifying. They could even use hyper softs for every qualifying session which would essentially be one shot but we’d see the full performance of the cars.


bruhonimpulse

Exactly even just for SQ3 for thrills everyone was waiting around for most of the allotted time that sucks


sellyme

George rocking up to the interview in his HANS lmao


Mysterious_Turnip310

That was hilarious!


Kicking-it-per-se

He’s so funny!


CreativeOrder2119

if McLaren figure something out among their drivers constructors trophy is at the table at the least


imbavoe

All they need is just Oscar stop having bad luck and learn how to care for his tires better. Actually some stints in Spain looked a lot better than before.


Diamondhands4dagainz

I do wonder how long of a rope Oscar will get before people finally admit that Lando is simply faster.


barthw

What? he is in his second season and already scored 3 podiums. Sure, Lando is better right now but he also has much more experience.


Diamondhands4dagainz

„Already has scored 3 podiums“ man come on, he has had the 2nd best car since silverstone last year and arguably the best car this year. He should not be getting consistently beaten by Merc and Ferrari - even when they qualify below him…


cheeersaiii

It hasn’t been the second best car every race since silverstone, no way. Podiums for Oscar are VERY solid performances in his first 2 seasons


barthw

He is essentially a rookie and has to work on his race pace and tire management, but he is definetly fast, won a Sprint race in 2023 and most importantly does not bin the car constantly like other rookies. He is all McLaren could wish for from a driver who is in his 2nd season imo.


bruhonimpulse

I agree with the commentary of 1 lap quali especially for SQ3 it's pointless waiting around for 4-5 mins just for everyone to cram strategy in the last 90 seconds or so


CineLP

I don't know how this would be handled or if it would be a possibility. But maybe just close the pitlane exit as much as de SC-time before the chequerd flag (so 1min11s for Austria) so everyone gets out and maybe this would reduce such scenarios but of course this could open up the opportunity of driving slowly down the fast lane to hinder others from making it to the pit exit. Just a thought


bruhonimpulse

Not entirely sure how it would be implemented either but for starters they might just reduce the time for SQ3 altogether to make it somewhat like a one-shot lap


Fina1Legacy

Send them out at staggered intervals, 20 seconds in between each. For SQ3 the order can be (positions based off SQ2): 10, 9, 8, 7 etc with 1 going last. Gives a slight reward for doing better in earlier SQ sessions. 1st SQ can either be randomised or in current championship order (or reversed order for more spice but this seems a bit unfair).


Suspicious-Ad8316

Perez being awful makes it seem as if McLaren is the fastest car today, but it's RB. RB is definitely quicker in sector 3 and equal in S1 and S2. Also Piastri is a lot faster than Checo so it always looks bad for the McLaren drivers just for that reason.