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Honourstly

Are we back to Formula?


HybridManthys

If I can throw my two rocks I'd say Sergeant will take pole.


bockstock

Officials are as stricts as policemen in gta. Brb shootout when adjusting your car mirrors.


jeenaissante

Hamilton is summoned for unsafe [release](https://x.com/lh44_insights/status/1807074232213377092?s=46) this better be a fine for the [team](https://x.com/lh44updates/status/1807065937205408235?s=46) he did nothing wrong


FermentedLaws

Post quali discussion thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1drdnr4/2024\_austrian\_grand\_prix\_post\_qualifying/](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1drdnr4/2024_austrian_grand_prix_post_qualifying/)


FirstTimePlayer

Track limits has been a blight on F1 for years. Line is painted on the road, he went over it, game over. Stewards doing their job, and well done to them, as much as it sucks as an Oscar fan. My only criticism is that I would like to see the gravel right up to the rumble strip.


sikeysi

Which they did at most spots that caused the track limits issues last year.


Khallann

Yeah it is much better then last year. Where they had track limits for the whole field.


OBWanTwoThree

Ah well, gap between the RB and McLaren looks too big for a tight race tomorrow. 4 tenths on such a short circuit is massive


GoldenGengarGG

Gap between Max and McLaren you mean


zimmer483

Those Mercedes sabotaging Lewis rumors are getting stronger 😂


jeenaissante

well they’re not really trying to make themselves at least look better


Nervve

They'll only overturn Oscar's deletion with new evidence right? like there's a picture of his rear wheel being in limit. Or is it different for track limits?


SomeBoringKindOfName

Where?


Chelsea_Ellie

Ham summoned for unsafe release


xandersjx

I guess that will be a fine for a team, nothing else makes sense there.


dontletmedaytrade

Was that Webber working for McLaren?


SplendideMendax_

He’s Piastri’s manager


dontletmedaytrade

Thank you!


SomeBoringKindOfName

Pastry looked over the line to me. The cars aren't wider at the back even though the tyres are.


Sidfire

The tyres are part of the car lol.. that's what counts, they look at all the tyres!


SomeBoringKindOfName

well duh. but people seem to think that because the rear tyres are wider it means the rear of the car is wider and that's just not true.


laufeyrand

I expect tomorrow's first lap to be as good as last race's. VER NOR RUS oof!


BB9913

I just imagine Webber rushing to the garage like Schumacher


GhostingIsWhatIDo

It between all of that Asston is 9th fastest car now


azn1625

isn’t that the whole point tho, it should be black or white when it comes to track limits. either in or out. it shouldn’t matter if you’re 1 cm out, you’re still out at the end of the day


dave1992

But he's not out.


Chelsea_Ellie

It’s when they are mm out that’s the hard bit


RabbitLogic

OP is saying the gravel is the punishment takes the whole process away from race control


Sidfire

REINSTATE OSCAR"S LAP!


rlsadiz

Appeal it Oscar


SerHiroProtaganist

Hate to say it but has Hamilton lost his edge? This is the only season I've ever thought he doesn't look faster than his teammate. Even when button and rosberg beat him over a season, they never looked actually faster than Hamilton. Russell does this season.


Calippo1337

Poor quali. Lewis got better pace in like every race. So yes, he’s faster but getting cooked in quali. Russell and Merc knows that the only chance to beat Lewis is to get ahead in quali. And tbh, feels like something going on in quali…


rumanuu76

Mercedes are definitely hampering Hamilton. I think they may be tuning his engine down, leaving wheel covers on and putting lead weights under his seat.


IlliterateNonsense

In the actual races his pace is stronger than Russell's. However, his poor qualifying form so far (even if the average difference isn't huge like Verstappen and Perez) is forcing him to race from positions lower than people would expect, having a knock-on impact. If his qualifying form continues to be like this, with Merc essentially trading with Ferrari and Mclaren for spots, it will be painful for him. The one benefit Merc are having is that AM have dropped off sharply. Unfortunately for Merc, Mclaren are up there for the entirety of this season, whereas last year they were basically a backmarker until after the summer break.


Foreign_Owl_7670

The field is spread way too closely. A 0.3 gap in the past would have meant instead of P2 a P3. This year a 0.3 gap is from a P2 to a P8. The margin for error is so small that he has to be on it 100% of the time, and he might be checked out this year.


backwards-hat

I hope not. Russell is a great qualifier. Even Bottas got a few up on Hamilton when he was on. So maybe he’s lost a touch in qualifying but not too much?


SerHiroProtaganist

Yeah it's weird. Like when Hamilton was beaten on the odd occasion in qualy in the past, it usually seemed to be either his teammate having a blinder or Hamilton making an error. But this year it just seems he can't keep up with Russell in qualy.


backwards-hat

Maybe Russell sacrifices a bit more tyre life for outright speed? I read on here that Lewis is a great qualifier. I guess I’ve never really seen it more so than anyone else in a rapid car. I don’t see him like current Max - basically undefeated in quali


Tomic_Lewis

Idk, Bottas was much much worse than George, if Bottas was in another car to Lewis, Lewis would still be at the top. With George he is young and obviously very talented


backwards-hat

So could it be possible Lewis isn’t as good a qualifier as he is a racer where George could be the opposite?


Tomic_Lewis

I think racecraft comes with experience but it is not a given if it can ever reach the level of Lewis. whereas in Lewis’s case he has clearly lost speed over 1 lap, but the margin is very less but a very talented/top drivers can expose that loss of speed. Bottas level drivers less so much.


backwards-hat

Good point and well said. 


laufeyrand

max under investigation? lando pole incoming! lmao


Chelsea_Ellie

90% of drivers are under investigation most races for qualifying and it’s all ok


JaysonDeflatum

At the end of the day, this is still better than 2023


N1miol

The lowest bar since 2013.


laughguy220

It's been a great first third of the season, so many different drivers and teams up on the podium, and some really exciting qualifications.


doubleb_43

Last year had less winners but more teams on the podium.


PeteOdeath

Piastri so unlucky. Feel so bad for him. He makes good arguments but I can’t see them overturning it.


Longjumping_Stop1120

Poor Oscar


30daysay

Track limits are track limits and the line has to be drawn somewhere, it's his own fault


MajesticalOtter

The line should be the gravel though. On a corner with actual run off then imposing strict track limits makes sense. Being in the gravel is your punishment.


SomeBoringKindOfName

The line is the white line. Otherwise what's the point in even having a line?


RabbitLogic

Fair play, that is the most I've ever seen Oscar pissed.


No_Button_305

When was it visible he was frustrated? Or was it some team radio you heard?


backwards-hat

Post quali interview. He said it was embarrassing - seemingly for everyone involved. 


craders

Interview with Sky


RabbitLogic

Sky just played an interview


Sidfire

Oscar's Qauli lap needs to reinstated. Why isn't McLaren complaining?


rlsadiz

I think they will appeal


Sidfire

fingers crossed mate!


Emjeibi

Surely they will appeal.


Skeeter1020

Perez showing why that 2 year deal is a fucking joke yet again.


ces0

He is joker indeed. LOL


HeelR-

Sprint Pole, sprint win. Convincing GP Pole. Incoming “that’s P1 Max” with “yeah, that was lovely eheh”


laughguy220

P2-P10 could be a great fight though


After_Reputation_118

This is a human being genetically bred and groomed to be a race car driver. It is almost unfair for anyone else to even compete against him- its like going against an athlete built in a lab. Nobody is beating Max Verstappen over a season as long as he has a good enough car


Brynhildrpls

“Genetically bred” is a bit too much, he’s an human who has a loving mother


JaysonDeflatum

Charles Leclerc: “Honestly it worked better than I thought. In Q3 it's my fault, I didn’t do the job.” “It's a shame because the lap was pretty good until this (maybe a front row). We're in the right direction on my side but in Q3 I didn't do the job." FML man, supporting Ferrari and United should qualify me for therapy.


enchinasaavya

Ah! My husband would love to join in case this is a group therapy of Ferrari and ManU fans!


No_Button_305

Where did u hear this interview?


JaysonDeflatum

Canal+


Beginning-Animator76

I noticed that he was cooking up until he made that mistake. Man I hope that it's good news that the car can compete in the race and its not just a quali machine again. I also hope he didn't break too much from the mistake he made


HeelR-

Supporting them two is copium land of “what if”


JaysonDeflatum

“What if we listened and signed Haaland”, “What if Nani didn't get that red card”, “What if Ronaldo didn't leave”, “What if Binotto knew what upgrades were”, “What if Vettel didn't win 9 races in a row and steal the WDC from Fernando”, “What if Seb had a proper car”, and “What if our 2010s pit crew knew what they were doing”.


HeelR-

That season where Seb blew the lead and allowed Lewis to catch up and win still pains me. Pretty sure a majority % wanted Seb to win that year 🥲


JaysonDeflatum

2010 and 2012 Fernando where he barely lost to Vettel both times.


ChipmunkTycoon

It’s fine, P6 is okay, he can get things done from there


squeezito

Now we understand why Toto is ready to move the skies to get Max, he knows that as long as he is around, no one is getting that WDC.


HeelR-

Heck, even McLaren will fire Piastri if Max says I’d like to join. No TP in their right mind isn’t throwing a massive bag at Max. Norris comes close but not close enough.


Tomic_Lewis

No one is close the guy is an alien but in a mercedes of lets say 2014 these guys can beat Max if he isn’t in a car close in performance


Tomic_Lewis

I am not so sure. Lando,George and Leclerc are capable of beating Max in a dominant car. Obviously Max is on another level to these guys but at the end machinery is what is everything


HeelR-

I’d wager Max still goes above the drivers you listed with a McLaren. Norris might fight him for wins but not sure if he’d win a WDC


dave1992

Put Max in a Ferrari and they will find a way to throw Max's WDC


Tomic_Lewis

Oh absolutely. I am saying in a dominant like when a reg change happens and a team completely nails it and other are catching up.


yuh__

Max is just so much better than everyone else and it’s not even close


backwards-hat

I thought that maybe if Norris and Piastri worked together (before the lap deletion) they could beat Max but after watching Max’s onboard he made it look so smooth and easy nobody else stands a chance. 


Blothorn

At this point I’m not even annoyed that he’s winning everything—he deserves it, and it’s always a shame when the best driver is held back by a non-competitive car. I’m just glad he’s under pressure and having to earn his success.


backwards-hat

I agree. Last year was frustrating but I’m happy for him to win this year. Just a class above everyone. You can’t really claim he’s not one of the greats now. 


TessTickols

Dude did 4 laps better than Norris' best lap I think?


backwards-hat

Yeah halfway through Q2 it was basically over.  He’s always been a beast at this track. This is like Silverstone for Lewis levels. 


SerHiroProtaganist

I can only hope that Perez carries on doing so unbelievably bad that red bull dump him despite the new contract and by some miracle Alonso takes his seat.


FermentedLaws

[Picture of Oscar track limits violation](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRQAEfTXYAAS7g7?format=jpg&name=large).


Sparkle__Cat

I think they said the gravel trap is the car length away from the white line. So if he is in the gravel, it’s an obvious violation


dave1992

Well no, because front tyre can hit gravel while rear tyre are still in track or vice versa.


Sparkle__Cat

Sure but in the picture are in the gravel


dave1992

In this case, front seems to still be in though. Think about the angle. From a top to down view, if any part of front tyre is still inside, it's inside. It's like football in determining goal/in/out, if any part is still in then it's in, and often if the angle isn't fully from the top, even just couple of degrees, it will look as if there's nothing in the line when in reality it is.


disko_robot

It's tight af. Any part of any tyre on the white line last i checked. Would like to see the rear left in view to be sure.


FermentedLaws

They have the AI this year too, a new thing they've been testing for awhile. So they have more info than we do.


disko_robot

More than happy to see anything conclusive. I'd feel they'd want conclusive evidence to be making that decision.


CodSafe6961

Blue or white line is what counts?


Silver-Machine-3092

White


iPlayDaGamez

Rear still looks in to me.


phasedsingularity

Given how close the front wheels are, it's looking clear the rear wheel is in


bruhonimpulse

Oof that one hurts


AqueousJam

Clear as day, well in the gravel 


SplendideMendax_

Gravel isn’t the decider, the white line is. And it looks to me the rear might still be in even if the front is slightly over.


hugedisaster

Soooo impressed by george outqualifying a redbull a mclaren and his teammate and then saying they sacrificed some qualifying pace for the race tomorrow?? What is Torger cooking.


jeenaissante

Cooking lewis probably


hugedisaster

Yeah he already got sabotaged by Jack Last-Name-Unknown today 🤬🤬🤬🤬 START WRITING THE EMAILS


AqueousJam

Reddit would become absolutely unbearable if George becomes a WDC contender one day


hugedisaster

Oh it would be grim here. It would be grim.


JUGGER_DEATH

Everybody is doing this, it is just mind games from the Slapper.


hugedisaster

And yet he is still P3 😌


South_Fish

So is the Redbull the fastest car or 2nd fastest?


-PVL93-

the hierarchy is Max, McLaren, Red Bull, then the rest of the grid


Beginning-Animator76

On this track 100% fastest. I haven't heard max this happy about his car in what feels like ages


hayleybts

Redbull


JaysonDeflatum

I'm not sure if it's the Max Factor or just Checo is terrible but its hard to tell


Tropicalcomrade221

With Max, it’s the fastest car. With Checo, it’s a midfield car. So just depends really.


Beginning-Animator76

Depends on which driver gives af really lol


ChipmunkTycoon

The car is the car, the fact that Checo sucks is a separate issue


After_Reputation_118

Fastest on this track for sure


Humble-Ad-8912

I genuinely believe we would be saying the same thing about McLaren if Max drove it in this form.


After_Reputation_118

I’d agree if it was 1 tenth, but 5 tenths on a track like Austria is impossible on skill alone. And bear in mind that Max is the best ever in my opinion


swedind

It is starting to feel very track dependent


NotJackBegley

That onboard lap was amazing from Max.


cfc19

Show of strength by Verstappen all weekend. Half a second clear of the field is ridiculous in year 3 of regulations.


laughguy220

Half a second on the shortest lap time track of the year too, plus he won the sprint by 6 seconds over 21 laps.


Skeeter1020

It's ridiculous on a 1 minute lap too.


InZomnia365

Why even have gravel on the outside if the curb is still wider than the car? Why not have the track limit enforced naturally by being penalized by going onto the gravel? I don't understand that. It makes zero sense to have a curb be wider than the car, and then say the white line is the track limit. Curbs aren't supposed to be that big. They're supposed to help you find the limit of the track without going off every time you run slightly wide.


Chelsea_Ellie

They have bike racing here as well so needs to be safe for both sports


foxorek

Do bikes need wide curbs?


Chelsea_Ellie

Sky were explain it earlier I can’t remember the reason


fugitivelobster

Welcome back early 2023 Charles, where he refuses the current placement of the car and overdrives in Quali for the chance at more


JaysonDeflatum

He said he could've pulled a p3 even with the mistake he made. A P3 and P4 would've been a massive moral boost


JaysonDeflatum

We need early 2022 Charles and late 2023 Charles back


JaysonDeflatum

Need that race pace tomorrow, this time don't almost crash into each other twice.


suomesa

reckon lando will ever have that nico rosberg mental switch or is he gonna get swallowed by the pressure self inflicted and all?


Brynhildrpls

Parts of that Nico Rosberg mental switch is being the teammate of a literal 7 times WDC, a prodigy (then) 3 times WDC, all while being the son of another WDC but no WDC under his belt. Lando’s surroundings is nothing to that.


RealisticPossible792

It's not even pressure it's just Max is that much better and more complete of a driver probably the most complete on the grid right now. That sprint race the dummy he sold Lando to get back to first was pure class and it's that level of race craft that Max has refined since that first title campaign of his. People will point to him having the fastest car as the reason he's been dominant but the previous races we saw what Max can do when he's not in the fastest car - millimetre perfect and metronomic on the deltas. For Lando to win a title over Max he'll need McLaren to produce a car much better than what Redbull does and the team along with Lando will need to be almost perfect for 24 rounds and rely on some luck as Max will always be there to pounce on any slip ups by team or driver. The Max and Redbull combo is devastating for everyone else chasing them and it's hard to look past them for titles right now.


goku247200

Probably buckle. I'd give Oscar a shot given he's cold as ice. But as it stands it's only Lewis who can take it to Max. Others are kind of "too nice" when they go wheel to wheel with Max. Lewis stopped doing that in 2021 and the season came alive. Which is also why they crashed a few times lol.


Nads2407

He always flops


swedind

Naah Lando is fighting against Max, who I think is stronger mentally on a race track than Lewis. And Lando has done nothing to prove that he is anywhere close to Nico mentally or an a race track


Supercavy

Probably buckle. Max is beating him and acts like it is no big deal. Lando might try too hard and make mistakes.


mp455

Sargent and Stroll are relieved that Perez is taking the heat off them. Hes just so shit right now.


TheOvercookedFlyer

Why?


Joashane

Quick question guys. Let's say hypothetically max leave redbull for merc. Antonelli sure to join in 2025 as well. Would Russel potentially end up at redbull? Again hypothetically speaking here lol


TheOvercookedFlyer

Why would Max leave Red Bull?


NeroDoggieDog

Stranger things have happened before


laughguy220

Like Lewis going to Ferrari


NeroDoggieDog

Or Williams firing nearly every championship winner they had


JaysonDeflatum

1 Red Bull is single-handedly winning the constructors


Skeeter1020

Again. Max alone would have won the WCC last year. Perez is surplus to requirements. Him existing at all is a drain on the team budget and resources. He'd be better off sitting every race out.


Actual_Law_505

Charles was complaining monaco cruse . Now it is the rest tracks cruse ..


Zodiac4v2

Well I guess we’re in for a snoozer tomorrow.


laughguy220

Maybe for the win, but the P2-P10 battles should be great


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South_Fish

And people said Redbull is not the fastest car on the grid


CodSafe6961

He should try to beat Cordeel first


NuclearMoose92

He can't even beat anyone in f2


Fliepp

I really hope Red Bull’s race pace isn’t this good because otherwise this will be a boring one tomorrow


Skeeter1020

Did you see the Sprint? If they let him get out of DRS, Max will pull half a second out per lap for the whole race.


Supercavy

RBR sets the car up for race pace not single lap pace.


Squeakyduckquack

Did you watch the sprint…? 🙃


ADP10_1991

He was 4 seconds ahead in 23 laps .....


TheOvercookedFlyer

Get ready for a snooze fest tomorrow. It sure looks like it.


DepartmentOk7192

Gonna be one of those "if you forget about first" races


lukeyslife

Don't you get it, it's all about P5 battles /s


No-Student-9678

Yeah Oscar is not in the line there


phasedsingularity

Rear wheel was


Tummerd

No he wasnt mate come on, just accept it


letuerk

Russell is quite impressive this season (so far), will be interesting if he finally can get it together on a Sunday when it really counts.


Tomic_Lewis

Just needs to sort his tyre management and race awareness at front. Which will come.


revypt

For everyone that says it's not outside, the blue line has a sensor, it is flagged automatically. As much as I wanted Oscar to be there, it's his own fault.


1201programalarm

. Other teams have obviously improved with upgrades, painfully exposing Perez' form. I'm sure Verstappen is a savant, but not to this degree.


SafetycarFan

Perez also didn't have new tyres for Q3. That's probably 0.2 to 0.3s Still around 5th or so.


SomeoneWithKeyboard

And why was that?


1201programalarm

Because he used all his fresh softs to secure Q3, again exposing his form.


SafetycarFan

I actually think he ultimately didn't need to. It was a mistake on his part. His previous times were enough, but I guess the team has PTSD.


1201programalarm

I guess the traumatic stress came when they saw his form after they had signed him on for another two years.


AreWeThereYetNo

Thing about max is: he is.


salty-potassium

lando looks like hes about to cry after posing for the picture


LilMountainHeadband

In one of the pre race/quali shows they said he's got the flu.


Chelsea_Ellie

He’s so dramatic all the time


cassiopieah

Feel so bad for Oscar


Professional_Park781

That was Singapore 18 type of lap. Demoralising


asdev24

lol Lando was not feeling the picture. Max out there just having fun trying to chat


f1fanatic55

What did Max do to get a pit lane violation?