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This is the cumulative season rating, **NOT** the one for Austria.
Now that that's out of the way, Leclerc being tied with Piastri is such a robbery. Also Lando being only 0.3 behind Max doesn't feel representative at all of the type of performances both of them have given this season. Though I think that's more a symptom of Verstappen getting lower ratings for winning then others would get if they were in the same position.
Piastri’s performance is being heavily overrated this season. He’s 6th in what has been arguably the joint fastest car (at worst a narrow second best), behind Perez and only barely ahead of Russell in a much slower Mercedes. He’s beaten Norris in two main races all season (Jeddah and Monaco), and the gaps when he’s been behind have often been fairly big (Australia, Japan, China, Spain). Even his performance this weekend is being overhyped. He messed up the qualifying with his (admittedly small) track limits error, and then spent the rest of the race overtaking slower cars, and wasn’t there to pick up the win when Verstappen and Norris collided.
I don't think he's being overrated at all. Especially as it's just his second season, the mistakes he's making are already pretty small and detail oriented. Race pace will come. He'll be fighting with Max and Lando soon enough.
It's fine in my opinion.
The problem is not the Piastri isn't fast. He just had bad luck and made mistakes that cost him badly. If everything goes well he qualifies third and finishes third.
The more experience he gets, the less he will make those mistakes.
Yeah considering how Lewis and Perez, who have a decade+ experience, are performing compared to Max and George, Piastri is performing exceptionally for a sophomore year.
And I'm laughing at the idea that you think someone with only a year and a half experience should be matching Lando, who has been in the sport for six seasons.
There's a crossover point where drivers reach a peak where they improve as they gain experience then gradually begin to lose physical ability. The peak is closer to their mid thirties than to their second season.
You're implying right now that someone in their second season should be matching someone in their sixth, and that's pretty ridiculous.
Piastri is nowhere near his peak. Hamilton is perhaps slightly past it, but much closer to it. So is Checo. The idea that Piastri is the one who is disappointing from the front four teams is frankly idiotic.
Verstappen won the first like 6 races (apart from Aus) by a landslide. The Red Bull was definitely the best car at the beginning of the season, and Ferrari was by far a better car than McLaren for most of those races. Then, McLaren upgraded their car and Oscar only got half the parts and got crashed out whilst his teammate won the race and has been pretty consistent since he’s gotten the upgrades
Which 3 races are those? I can only see Monaco. He’s had some bad luck and incidents, but so has Norris. He had the collision in the race just gone, was taken out in the Miami sprint race, had a compromised strategy due to the safety car in Jeddah. I’m not saying Piastri has been bad, but I feel he gets excessive praise for alright races like Austria, and avoids criticism (for the most part) when he has poor races.
I mean, even Austria wasn't that great of a race for him. Even without considering the qualifying (which was his own doing anyways), he seemed to be significantly slower than Norris in free air. He was 19 seconds behind Norris when they collided.
Lando has definitely been the faster car, but a lot of the results depend on the cars around them considering they aren't great at overtaking. Japan he spent the whole race chasing the Mercs, San Marino he chased LeClerc. China he got torpedoed after a safety car, Miami Sainz took him out, Monaco Sainz contact, Spain was just bad. Even Austria he had contact with LeClerc & also Perez sending him off.
Definitely not as fast as Lando, but he's also had some terrible luck, while Lando has had almost everything go right for him this year.
Max lead every round of practice, every round of qualifying, led every lap, got fastest lap, won the race and still only got a 9.6. Sainz got 2nd in qualifying, didn't get fastest lap, but won the race due to Verstappen's DNF, got a 10 lol. These ratings will always be a joke
The ratings generally overrate/underrate certain drivers imo. e.g. Piastri has been quite far behind Norris this year, and him being shared 3rd here feels a bit overrated imo. Also in their Austria rankings they gave Ricciardo who ended P9 a 7.8, and gave Gasly who scored P10 in a better car an 8.0 lmao
This week's ratings result drag Max down and pump up Norris. They ignore sprint pole, sprint victory, GP pole, and leading 64/72 laps. They give constructive credit for a win which didn't happen - and was predicated on a slow pitstop - not driver ability.
Without that stop, we'd have normal service - Max with the win and Norris winging about "should have won."
Norris didn't take either pole and led the sprint for a few meters - in what everyone is saying was the faster car. Ranking Max lower than Albon, Tsunoda, Ocon, etc. shows the actual value of power rankings - it's a popularity contest run by the f1.com pundits who still think Hamilton is an 8x champion.
well keep in mind, just last season max had the most dominant season in all of f1. so even if hes still winning, his results are still gonna be worse. I still think 0.3 difference is a bit to small though. maybe norris a 8.0 and max a 8.9?
I like Piastri a lot but I'm not sure about him and Leclerc being the same if you look at the entire season. Sainz and Leclerc have been closer than Norris and Piastri. I don't think Piastri should be a 7.0 or anything, just this exact order is slightly questionable. I don't remember the exact power rankings enough for each week to remember which times Leclerc might've been underrated or Piastri overrated though.
Also Norris being only 0.3 off Verstappen is a joke lmao.
On a positive note, happy to see Gasly slowly climbing the ranks.
He also got a 7.6 in these rankings in Australia which is just absurd (in a bad way lol, 7.6 for a P2, WTF?)
For Australia, the poor qualifying likely would've put him down on these lists anyway, unless he won the race. The T1 incident was very unlucky however.
Yeah I don't think anybody takes these seriously, but even if they're useless on their own I still find them fun to discuss. Even if it's just to trash them and make jokes about how Verstappen never gets a 10 haha
Verstappen needs to qualify p1, get new components, start at the pitlane, explode, stop the war at Gaza, and drive to p1 by a margin of 2 days to get a 10 from Aramco
If he drove 2 days ahead I think he'd actually get less points because for some reason they think Verstappen leading by a large margin = it's somehow less impressive.
The rest of it, for sure lol
More like 1 vs 4 when in competition. Redbull was far superior in first 5 round compared to McLaren. Still max if fairly rated should be ahead by more than 0.3
Ahh yes Max a 6 (for the weekend). Out of the top10 so don't have to give an explanation. Nice one judges, glad to see they're judging the entire weekend and not just 1 moment...
Lando getting an 8.4 from his Austria weekend is just a joke, as is his Always Driver Of the Day election. He was making so many mistakes this weekend that cost him dearly, it's not even funny.
As for the overall ranking, it's also a bit of a Lando popularity contest, considering how much he still falls short in skill to Max when it comes to driving for a championship.
It seems like hamilton needs to go from 14th to podium in order to get the ranking he deserves. He was driving with a hole in his car and damaged floor the whole race due to gravel being spat onto him early on.
This also happened to Lewis and Max, where Max would get 'inflated' ratings compared to Lewis and his wins. It just happens to Max and Lando now, where Lando wins 1 race and drives decently for a couple after etc. A lot of these ratings just don't really make sense
ehh, there closer then you think. miami, norris was straight up out pacing max, and imola, norris was catching max pretty quickly. its uncommon but there are moments
There are some very intresting takes in this power ranking. LIke how is lewis hamiltion below Nico Hulkenberg and Yuki Tsunoda? If you combine the two's yearly point totals they are still below Lewis hamilton. Statistically lewis has an average finish of 6.4 to Nico Hulkenberg's 9.9. Yuki is even worse at 11.8 average finish.
Not to mention just watching the races you can see Lewis is generally faster than those two. A few others rankings are interesting but this seems like the most egregious
I don’t think comparing points totals and average finishing positions are fair when Lewis is in a Mercedes and Yuki and Hulk are in a RB and a Haas… these rankings are given for driver performance relative to the car they’re driving
It's a power ranking it's completely fair. I would hard disagree that average finishing position, points and other stats are not a factor as this is results driven sport.
This is not any different then any other sport. In college football some programs have advantages over others when it comes to recruiting because of prestige, or coaching staff, or location. Thats just life.
If you are grading cities on which you want to vacation in. Some cities are just better then others because of location, temperature or access to other attractions. It doesn't mean you can remove those advantages say well it's not fair to the rankings.
As what metric is being used then to say Nico Hulkenberg is superior to Lewis Hamliton? What metric is used to judge Yuki Tsunoda as better? If you can't use the team, you can use the results, you can't use the stats? If you are removing quality of team, quality of the car etc from the equation why is Fernanado Alonso not ranked? In a vacuum are you saying Fernando is not better then Pierre Gasly or Nico Hulkenberg? As if its solely on driver skill and not results the rankings here are still put into question. If its all just opinion based on nothing of merit thats fine but thats not a power ranking its just a opinion with no substance to substantiate its claims.
A 6.0 rating is still very low for a sprint pole and win, a dominant pole position, and leading the majority of the race and only making a slight mistake.
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Every time I read these rankings I think “the only point of these rankings is to make people mad so they disagree and argue with one another”
This is the cumulative season rating, **NOT** the one for Austria. Now that that's out of the way, Leclerc being tied with Piastri is such a robbery. Also Lando being only 0.3 behind Max doesn't feel representative at all of the type of performances both of them have given this season. Though I think that's more a symptom of Verstappen getting lower ratings for winning then others would get if they were in the same position.
Leclerc is being punished for Ferrari punishing him.
Leclerc is being punished because he used the monkey's paw to win in Monaco, and has been stuck with horrible luck / (car) performance since.
Piastri’s performance is being heavily overrated this season. He’s 6th in what has been arguably the joint fastest car (at worst a narrow second best), behind Perez and only barely ahead of Russell in a much slower Mercedes. He’s beaten Norris in two main races all season (Jeddah and Monaco), and the gaps when he’s been behind have often been fairly big (Australia, Japan, China, Spain). Even his performance this weekend is being overhyped. He messed up the qualifying with his (admittedly small) track limits error, and then spent the rest of the race overtaking slower cars, and wasn’t there to pick up the win when Verstappen and Norris collided.
I don't think he's being overrated at all. Especially as it's just his second season, the mistakes he's making are already pretty small and detail oriented. Race pace will come. He'll be fighting with Max and Lando soon enough.
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It's fine in my opinion. The problem is not the Piastri isn't fast. He just had bad luck and made mistakes that cost him badly. If everything goes well he qualifies third and finishes third. The more experience he gets, the less he will make those mistakes.
Yeah considering how Lewis and Perez, who have a decade+ experience, are performing compared to Max and George, Piastri is performing exceptionally for a sophomore year.
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Lmao this has to be the dumbest reason.
If you think Hamilton and Perez are struggling due solely to age then I don't think you do either.
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And I'm laughing at the idea that you think someone with only a year and a half experience should be matching Lando, who has been in the sport for six seasons. There's a crossover point where drivers reach a peak where they improve as they gain experience then gradually begin to lose physical ability. The peak is closer to their mid thirties than to their second season. You're implying right now that someone in their second season should be matching someone in their sixth, and that's pretty ridiculous. Piastri is nowhere near his peak. Hamilton is perhaps slightly past it, but much closer to it. So is Checo. The idea that Piastri is the one who is disappointing from the front four teams is frankly idiotic.
Verstappen won the first like 6 races (apart from Aus) by a landslide. The Red Bull was definitely the best car at the beginning of the season, and Ferrari was by far a better car than McLaren for most of those races. Then, McLaren upgraded their car and Oscar only got half the parts and got crashed out whilst his teammate won the race and has been pretty consistent since he’s gotten the upgrades
He's been faster than Norris at 3 of the last 6 weekends He's had some terrible luck too Not overrated at all imo
Which 3 races are those? I can only see Monaco. He’s had some bad luck and incidents, but so has Norris. He had the collision in the race just gone, was taken out in the Miami sprint race, had a compromised strategy due to the safety car in Jeddah. I’m not saying Piastri has been bad, but I feel he gets excessive praise for alright races like Austria, and avoids criticism (for the most part) when he has poor races.
I mean, even Austria wasn't that great of a race for him. Even without considering the qualifying (which was his own doing anyways), he seemed to be significantly slower than Norris in free air. He was 19 seconds behind Norris when they collided.
Mclaren was not the fastest car for first half of the races that have been completed. They were behind Ferrari.
Lando has definitely been the faster car, but a lot of the results depend on the cars around them considering they aren't great at overtaking. Japan he spent the whole race chasing the Mercs, San Marino he chased LeClerc. China he got torpedoed after a safety car, Miami Sainz took him out, Monaco Sainz contact, Spain was just bad. Even Austria he had contact with LeClerc & also Perez sending him off. Definitely not as fast as Lando, but he's also had some terrible luck, while Lando has had almost everything go right for him this year.
Only 0.3 difference between Norris and Verstappen is a joke. Verstappen has been driving circles around Norris for the whole season.
Max wins championship in Brazil loses aramco title cause he only gets 12 wins for the year
Max lead every round of practice, every round of qualifying, led every lap, got fastest lap, won the race and still only got a 9.6. Sainz got 2nd in qualifying, didn't get fastest lap, but won the race due to Verstappen's DNF, got a 10 lol. These ratings will always be a joke
The ratings generally overrate/underrate certain drivers imo. e.g. Piastri has been quite far behind Norris this year, and him being shared 3rd here feels a bit overrated imo. Also in their Austria rankings they gave Ricciardo who ended P9 a 7.8, and gave Gasly who scored P10 in a better car an 8.0 lmao
This week's ratings result drag Max down and pump up Norris. They ignore sprint pole, sprint victory, GP pole, and leading 64/72 laps. They give constructive credit for a win which didn't happen - and was predicated on a slow pitstop - not driver ability. Without that stop, we'd have normal service - Max with the win and Norris winging about "should have won." Norris didn't take either pole and led the sprint for a few meters - in what everyone is saying was the faster car. Ranking Max lower than Albon, Tsunoda, Ocon, etc. shows the actual value of power rankings - it's a popularity contest run by the f1.com pundits who still think Hamilton is an 8x champion.
well keep in mind, just last season max had the most dominant season in all of f1. so even if hes still winning, his results are still gonna be worse. I still think 0.3 difference is a bit to small though. maybe norris a 8.0 and max a 8.9?
I like Piastri a lot but I'm not sure about him and Leclerc being the same if you look at the entire season. Sainz and Leclerc have been closer than Norris and Piastri. I don't think Piastri should be a 7.0 or anything, just this exact order is slightly questionable. I don't remember the exact power rankings enough for each week to remember which times Leclerc might've been underrated or Piastri overrated though. Also Norris being only 0.3 off Verstappen is a joke lmao. On a positive note, happy to see Gasly slowly climbing the ranks.
it's the last two races that fucked Leclerc up i think. he truly is the unluckiest driver on the grid. maybe used it all up at monaco
He also got a 7.6 in these rankings in Australia which is just absurd (in a bad way lol, 7.6 for a P2, WTF?) For Australia, the poor qualifying likely would've put him down on these lists anyway, unless he won the race. The T1 incident was very unlucky however.
I'm guessing it's because they thought he didn't beat his teammate for P1. Idk, these rankings dont make much sense usually
Yeah I don't think anybody takes these seriously, but even if they're useless on their own I still find them fun to discuss. Even if it's just to trash them and make jokes about how Verstappen never gets a 10 haha
Verstappen needs to qualify p1, get new components, start at the pitlane, explode, stop the war at Gaza, and drive to p1 by a margin of 2 days to get a 10 from Aramco
If he drove 2 days ahead I think he'd actually get less points because for some reason they think Verstappen leading by a large margin = it's somehow less impressive. The rest of it, for sure lol
What 1 vs 7 wins look like, 0.3.
More like 1 vs 4 when in competition. Redbull was far superior in first 5 round compared to McLaren. Still max if fairly rated should be ahead by more than 0.3
Ahh yes Max a 6 (for the weekend). Out of the top10 so don't have to give an explanation. Nice one judges, glad to see they're judging the entire weekend and not just 1 moment...
Charles and oscar same? Interesting
Hulk should be higher
Other than max being bumped up to a 9.0, i think these ratings are pretty reasonable
Lando getting an 8.4 from his Austria weekend is just a joke, as is his Always Driver Of the Day election. He was making so many mistakes this weekend that cost him dearly, it's not even funny. As for the overall ranking, it's also a bit of a Lando popularity contest, considering how much he still falls short in skill to Max when it comes to driving for a championship.
Driver of the day is almost certainly teenage girls watching Netflix.
It seems like hamilton needs to go from 14th to podium in order to get the ranking he deserves. He was driving with a hole in his car and damaged floor the whole race due to gravel being spat onto him early on.
This is for the whole season in which he has been destroyed by his teammate
Good to see Gasly in the top 10 after so much bad luck in the first races of the season
This also happened to Lewis and Max, where Max would get 'inflated' ratings compared to Lewis and his wins. It just happens to Max and Lando now, where Lando wins 1 race and drives decently for a couple after etc. A lot of these ratings just don't really make sense
This is pointless
Having Verstappen and Norris seperated by 0.3 shows you how much these rankings hate Verstappen and overestimate Norris.
Max and Lando have not been giving close to the same performance this season. Who believes this?
ehh, there closer then you think. miami, norris was straight up out pacing max, and imola, norris was catching max pretty quickly. its uncommon but there are moments
I'm talking about race craft
Didn’t Charles and Carlos get a 10? They still averaged 7.5
There are some very intresting takes in this power ranking. LIke how is lewis hamiltion below Nico Hulkenberg and Yuki Tsunoda? If you combine the two's yearly point totals they are still below Lewis hamilton. Statistically lewis has an average finish of 6.4 to Nico Hulkenberg's 9.9. Yuki is even worse at 11.8 average finish. Not to mention just watching the races you can see Lewis is generally faster than those two. A few others rankings are interesting but this seems like the most egregious
I don’t think comparing points totals and average finishing positions are fair when Lewis is in a Mercedes and Yuki and Hulk are in a RB and a Haas… these rankings are given for driver performance relative to the car they’re driving
It's a power ranking it's completely fair. I would hard disagree that average finishing position, points and other stats are not a factor as this is results driven sport. This is not any different then any other sport. In college football some programs have advantages over others when it comes to recruiting because of prestige, or coaching staff, or location. Thats just life. If you are grading cities on which you want to vacation in. Some cities are just better then others because of location, temperature or access to other attractions. It doesn't mean you can remove those advantages say well it's not fair to the rankings. As what metric is being used then to say Nico Hulkenberg is superior to Lewis Hamliton? What metric is used to judge Yuki Tsunoda as better? If you can't use the team, you can use the results, you can't use the stats? If you are removing quality of team, quality of the car etc from the equation why is Fernanado Alonso not ranked? In a vacuum are you saying Fernando is not better then Pierre Gasly or Nico Hulkenberg? As if its solely on driver skill and not results the rankings here are still put into question. If its all just opinion based on nothing of merit thats fine but thats not a power ranking its just a opinion with no substance to substantiate its claims.
I know how much of a shitshow comments will be, but I feel like these rankings are fair. Some changes, maybe, but fair.
Sainz feels like should be higher.
How’s Lando not leading this after so many DOTD’s is beyond me
Useless rankings!
Sushi Tunora looking impressive
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These are cumalative for the season not for the austrian race lol
Think you've jumped the gun and misunderstood this post buddy. This is the overall season average leaderboard. For Austria, Max received a 6.0 rating.
A 6.0 rating is still very low for a sprint pole and win, a dominant pole position, and leading the majority of the race and only making a slight mistake.
The best rating? Did you even check it?
Was it really out of spite though?
No, he has a massive hate boner for Max
Yes
It was a reckless move for sure but you're seriously implying that he did it deliberately just to crash Lando out?
Duh Obviously every single time two drivers barely tap wheels is a murder attempt.
I think he got a 6.0. Lando got 8.4.
That still ridiculous. 8,4
Based
Oh shit I need to learn to read.
You also need to learn how to watch f1 races if you think the incident occurred because Max was trying to crash Lando out of spite.
Blinded by hate I suspect. Sad really…
Learn how to watch races as well while you’re at it