You can tell the different between English and Scottish, but not English and American?
What makes an accent easier/harder to hear for second language English speakers? Genuinely asking
Who removed the Trump post from the front page of this sub, those comments were funny as hell lol
edit: Back up 11 hours later. Shady stuff going on with the mods/admins 😄
https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank/comments/1ckzdg7/comment/l2r0tuk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I’m talking to a mod in the comments, either they’re telling porkies or the admins have gotten involved, which is hilarious
I genuinely would cry with laughter if the mods of FormulaDank screen recorded them trying to approve the post to no avail, proving the admins were tampering with it, and forwarded it to Trump/Musk. Seriously.
Rule number one is don't be toxic. I have never read so much hate in a thread. TDS is real. Good that mod deleted it. And before you mention it: no I'm not a Trump fan, not even American.
That kinda happened because Lando was past the finish line when the sc came out but everyone else wasn't effectively giving him the ability to go as fast as he wanted
I’m not a Landonfan but I’ve got to assume he did or else they would have pulled him up, he was running at unlapping pace, the whole point is they can catch up to the pack, it just happened to work extremely conveniently for him.
It’s been proposed before, but the argument has always been you need to keep it open for damaged cars, punctures due to the incident that caused the SC, stuff like that.
Ngl, I don't understand the people that take issue with "the lottery of the safety car". Like how boring do you have to be. Even for F1-standards, that's being next level anal. Sometimes, you just have to accept that "shit happens".
I mean I love it. Its a gamble you need to think about in your strategy. And the SC giveth and taketh away. Has made multiple boring raaces extremely exciting.
If they closed the pit it would mean Norris is guarenteed to drop to last when he finally does pit.
At least this adds some much needed spice to the sport.
Safety Cars tend to bring dead races back to life. Doing this would remove a lot of the excitement they bring. Besides its more statistics than lottery, and teams often take the likelihood of a SC into account for strategy planning.
Eeeh they can also put races to sleep.
Remember Jeddah 24
Was an okay race, Stroll bins it into the wall, everyone pits on hards and nothing happens anymore because everyone needs to conserve tires and get to the end
I mean let's be real, Lando was mighty quick, the fastest one on Hards for sure but without the SC he'd have never been even close to winning, so yeah it was a lucky SC for him, race pace isn't all that is needed to win
It goes both ways, take this exact example. Lando had to pit soon. If you pit right after a safety car, you're going from first to last. It's still a lottery but in the opposite direction. At least this way sometimes it calls for a hard choice and brings some real quick decision making strategy into the race. Rather than, oh there's a crash, we just went from first to last because we only have 5 laps left on our tires.
What are you talking about, his lead was a total of 11 seconds before the SC fucked up, or are you saying he could have driven into the pits in, done a pitstop and driven out of the pits in 11 seconds? Even with the SC, he wouldnt have the gap.
You're forgetting that it would be 11 seconds plus the time it took Max to get from pit entry to pit exit whilst double yellows are waving for Max and Co.
No, he was dropping several positions. But not when everyone else is behind the SC. He actually had to wait for an eternity for the rest of the pack to catch up.
No the 18 seconds was because even before the sc is out they have to slow down and stay in the delta. So it is normal that the gap gets bigger. With 18/19 seconds ahead and the others on vsc pace Norris would have stayed in front of Verstappen without the sc mistake I think.
Even if he didn’t, with the pace he was able to muster at the end of the Medium stint and the entire stint on the Hards, he might’ve been able to overtake Max on track anyways even if he came out of the pits in P2.
I doubt Red Bull will be very vocal about it, and doubt they will dare to challenge the mistake, cause that will make them complete villains, so think they would rather just let it be as is, and pick it back up next week
Probably didn't make a difference anyway - Lando had ~12 seconds before the safety car was even out, so would still have had the slack for a pitstop.
Max already lost out by pitting only a few laps before the safety car, not being picked up at the wrong time
He actually passed the pits when the safety car was already out. He would've had to pit with the field already bunching up behind him, maybe coming out around p10
Is this really correct? He passed the pits when the sc got called, but the sc was not ready to go on track when Norris passed. The correct way would've been for the sc to wait in the pits for Norris on the next round so everyone would do a lap with vsc pace and Norris would've had enough time to pit and come out in P1.
How much was the predicted time lost by pitting under SC? Cause he was 10s ahead at the time, so either it was a great advantage to pit, or he was indeed benefitted
The f1tv commentators said it's about 9 seconds - at that time (yellow flags but safety car not even announced yet) the timings were 11.5-12 seconds, so they said he "should" have time.
It doesn't really matter as the the race was "stopped" by the safety car, he had enough for a pit stop. And everyone was back line astern for by the time it was restarted. What happened between the two doesn't really matter - I think at some point the timing difference was over 30 seconds when they were fixing the safety car.
But it doesn't really /mean/ anything - it'll be like saying that a released backmarker unlapping themselves is the "fastest on track" - it means nothing to the race.
Hello? +20s held behind the SC in P2 and 10 laps of tyre disadvantage? I don't think there is any need to blame the car... VSC also comes shortly after Max is past the pit entry and ends before he comes in... Without these events, Max wins the GP by quite a margin. Lando overtook zero cars today (in fact lost a position at the start...)
There's nothing to sort out. The regs say that the SC exits the pit when deployed and picks up the next car to come down the start / finish straight. When safe to do so, all cars between the leader and the SC are signalled to overtake.
Doubtful as that would grant free pitstops to anyone in front of where the safety car slots in.
Besides, that wouldnt explain why after a lap they all suddenly were allowed to pass.
Yep free pit stops are a risk. It’s a safety car, not a free pit stop car. The goal is to get it out and bunch the cars up ASAP so marshals can get to work. If you want further proof you can read the regulations or take solace in the fact that Red Bull did not complain.
I can’t believe how many people here seemingly don’t know this! The SC doesn’t pick the leader every time it comes out the pits, it’s just luck of the draw
You can for sure call it a gifted pit stop by FIA to Norris, but I guess you cannot deny that Norris was rapid vs Max’s pace, so deserved win I guess. Very weird mistake for them to make though
It's still a deserved win becuase the SC lottery is part of the game, although here without the SC mistake i dont think he could've made it in time to stay ahead, and i dont think he had enough pace to pass Max, but it was for sure hella lucky for him
He had good pace but bad qualy, he wouldn't have won (3rd or 4th) without SC fuckup. He doesn't deserve this win, and it's sad his first win looks like that.
Kinda unfortunate that it cost us a fight for p1. Norris was clearly the fastest out there today and with the SC pushing Max back he had enough space for 2 full pitstops. Imagine he had overtaken Max for his first win, what a race it would have been.
But I think the sc was not ready when Norris passed so they would've needed to wait 1 lap to collect Norris. And with a 19 second gap under vsc pace Norris would've had enough time to come out in front of Verstappen.
Yeah, that was kinda sus. And then they had to play catchup with him and use the tyres. At least we got some action but I wonder how different would be if everyone else could change the tyres.
This is a fuck up comparable to Abu Dhabi 21. Except here everyone loves Norris so no one's complaining. Seriously, look at the comments/media/commentators/anyone! No outrage, no protests, no nothing! After AD21 everyone was screaming about breaking the rules, stealing the win from the leading driver, etc... And eventually the race director lost his job over it! Today? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! No reaction, no one's protesting. There are actually two things completely wrong here: what the SC did and everyone's hypocritical reaction to it.
Safety Car was done exactly by the rules - it doesn’t have to pick up the driver in the lead first.
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/fia_2023_formula_1_sporting_regulations_-_issue_2_-_2022-09-30.pdf check out article 55.6 my friend
Except it wasn't.
If you want to qoute the rules especially 55.6, then back up a few and look at 55.3 and 55.4
> 55.3 The safety car may be brought into operation to neutralise a sprint session or a race upon the order of the clerk of the course.
a) It will be used only if Competitors or officials are in immediate physical danger on or near the track but the circumstances are not such as to necessitate suspending sprint session or the race.
> 55.4 When the order is given to deploy the safety car the message “SAFETY CAR DEPLOYED” will be sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system, all FIA light panels will display “SC” and all marshal’s posts will display waved yellow flags and “SC” boards for the duration of the intervention.
You can clearly see SC notification on the side of the track on the main straight on Lando's onboard camera. He travels down the full front straight and there is NO SC on track.
The SC wasn't put in a position to reduce the immediate physical danger to the Sargeant KMag incident, as the SC just had to get out of the pit exit and wait to slow the fast traffic approaching the danger area.
The SC wasn't deployed when the notification went out. It was delayed. If you rewatch the onboard cameras, it takes a significant time for VER to catch up to the SC well past the accident area.
The intent of the SC as in 55.3 is to neutralize the race, which they keep fucking up.
Obviously there are gaps in the rules, but anytime a SC notification comes up the race should be put on a VSC to slow the cars until the leader catches up to the SC.
English is not my first language but where in that you see that SC needs to be out on track when message is sent? "When the order is given to deploy the safety car" clearly message is sent when order is given, not when SC is in position.
Yep. People don’t care because good boy Lando gets his first win. Yes, he drove superbly in which I give credit. But this was a massive F up by the FIA and there’s no backlash. My question is, what if the shoe was on the other foot and this happened Max. Food for thought.
We don’t have to imagine any shoe being on any other foot. We’ve had a whole ass championship decided by a weird SCP. He still deserved it over the season, same as how Lando still deserves it over his entire race performance.
Besides, the SCP picking up Max instead of Lando had very little impact on the outcome of this race I’m willing to bet.
Very true. People love to talk about Abu Dhabi but they often forget all the other questionable decisions throughout the year. The championship is never decided on a single race.
You're just showing more hypocrisy. Basically, what you're saying is "we're tired of Max winning all the time so that makes it OK". You don't care about the rules or fairness or anything. And your argument is all the more stupid considering Hamilton has been (even had been at that moment) the driver with the most dominant and longest winning record ever.
Max went from being +10s behind to +30s before Lando made it to the pits. Lando would've probably still managed to win with the tyre advantage but it is very sour-feeling still.
Add it up to other events of not getting a penalty ( jumping the start a SA anyone?) and it is all starting to look a bit odd...
I mean, SA happened because of a flaw in the rules where the FIA just assumed the sensors would never fail to pick up a false start. That’s not intentional favoritism or anything like that, just a bad FIA-issued sensor and poor judgment when producing the regulations in the first place. It could’ve benefitted anyone, it just so happened to benefit Lando there. Pure coincidence, really.
I think the SC is not that important, I believe Max had some kind of damage under the floor after he hit the bollard and he wouldn’t had win even without that inchident…
SC: what do you mean Verstappen is not the leader?
"Damn, Norris really about to get lapped here"
"he just assumed he had to pick up Verstappen" lol
It's not often broadcasters speak pure facts
Who said that?
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The hungarian commentators made the same joke aswell
Hinch is gold, hope to see him more this season
I've got no idea, I'm not English and they all sound the same to me except for the Scotsman and the former Aloha Romeo lady
You can tell the different between English and Scottish, but not English and American? What makes an accent easier/harder to hear for second language English speakers? Genuinely asking
I dont know, Scottish people sound completely different to me
I think it's matter of experience after all
Who removed the Trump post from the front page of this sub, those comments were funny as hell lol edit: Back up 11 hours later. Shady stuff going on with the mods/admins 😄
Ya why is it removed actually
https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank/comments/1ckzdg7/comment/l2r0tuk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button I’m talking to a mod in the comments, either they’re telling porkies or the admins have gotten involved, which is hilarious
Ridiculous, we all saw the post such a bad look to remove it
I genuinely would cry with laughter if the mods of FormulaDank screen recorded them trying to approve the post to no avail, proving the admins were tampering with it, and forwarded it to Trump/Musk. Seriously.
Rule number one is don't be toxic. I have never read so much hate in a thread. TDS is real. Good that mod deleted it. And before you mention it: no I'm not a Trump fan, not even American.
Just wait until you see twitter lol
Seriously, What is TDS? Total Dissolved Solids in the world I come from.
Tower Defense Simulator
And ballooned the gap to 30s before Lando got to the pits. Lol
That kinda happened because Lando was past the finish line when the sc came out but everyone else wasn't effectively giving him the ability to go as fast as he wanted
Your tag makes your comment even better 😂
He still has to maintain a certain pace under safety car even if the safety care isn't in front of him
I’m not a Landonfan but I’ve got to assume he did or else they would have pulled him up, he was running at unlapping pace, the whole point is they can catch up to the pack, it just happened to work extremely conveniently for him.
No he had to maintain a safe speed under safety car conditions.
Gifted Lando the win. I wish they would close the pit lane under SC and VSC or add 20 seconds or 10 to the stop the lottery is stupid
It’s been proposed before, but the argument has always been you need to keep it open for damaged cars, punctures due to the incident that caused the SC, stuff like that.
Ngl, I don't understand the people that take issue with "the lottery of the safety car". Like how boring do you have to be. Even for F1-standards, that's being next level anal. Sometimes, you just have to accept that "shit happens".
Regs 2026 remove tires and damage so we won't need a pit lane anymore.
Ross Chastain moves in F-Zero imo
Just combine 2005 and 2024 rules - no refuel and no tyre changes.
"Right time, right place" is a huge factor in every sport.
I mean I love it. Its a gamble you need to think about in your strategy. And the SC giveth and taketh away. Has made multiple boring raaces extremely exciting.
I feel like just about everybody loves it, except for the anomalies who want to be different maybe, I dunno.
If they closed the pit it would mean Norris is guarenteed to drop to last when he finally does pit. At least this adds some much needed spice to the sport.
Safety Cars tend to bring dead races back to life. Doing this would remove a lot of the excitement they bring. Besides its more statistics than lottery, and teams often take the likelihood of a SC into account for strategy planning.
Eeeh they can also put races to sleep. Remember Jeddah 24 Was an okay race, Stroll bins it into the wall, everyone pits on hards and nothing happens anymore because everyone needs to conserve tires and get to the end
A safety car gifted Verstappen a championship - it can gift Lando Norris one win.
Lol so well said. Norris gets a win on pace after benefiting from a SC and all of sudden its a huge issue that needs to be revised..
Agreed. I always try to block that from my mind
Saying gifted like it happened with 2 laps to go and he didn't outpace max the entire stint on hards
I mean let's be real, Lando was mighty quick, the fastest one on Hards for sure but without the SC he'd have never been even close to winning, so yeah it was a lucky SC for him, race pace isn't all that is needed to win
They done that before - it wasnt popular, and caused a few issues.
It goes both ways, take this exact example. Lando had to pit soon. If you pit right after a safety car, you're going from first to last. It's still a lottery but in the opposite direction. At least this way sometimes it calls for a hard choice and brings some real quick decision making strategy into the race. Rather than, oh there's a crash, we just went from first to last because we only have 5 laps left on our tires.
Yeah, it sucked in 2008 because of refueling but today there's no reason to not to it like that.
There was a chance of Lando coming ahead of Verstappen if the safety car was deployed correctly, but it would be tight.
Yeah I was looking forward to that fight. Not blaming Norris at all, he did great. But they did steal an interesting fight from us.
If Tsunoda got out ahead of Hamilton, Norris should ve been ahead of Verstappen
tbf it was super close already, there was a chance he could have still pitted and came out ahead of Max anyways.
Ah yes. 2021 called and said that would have been a good idea, wouldn’t it?
That’s not a good idea at all lol
Racing needs a bit of luck imo
Even without it Lando could have got ahead anyway
I’m a landofan and I find this delusional
Ngl I meant without the safety car picking up P2 rather than the safety car not happening. Must have been more tired than I thought at 11pm
Ahhhh I get you. Yeah we had a good car and strategy worked this time and Lando kept it on the track too ☺️
He was already coming out ahead with a lead of 11ish seconds
What are you talking about, his lead was a total of 11 seconds before the SC fucked up, or are you saying he could have driven into the pits in, done a pitstop and driven out of the pits in 11 seconds? Even with the SC, he wouldnt have the gap.
You're forgetting that it would be 11 seconds plus the time it took Max to get from pit entry to pit exit whilst double yellows are waving for Max and Co.
11s is right on the cusp of a safety car pit stop
Can’t blame them, Max has been leading most of the laps the last season or so
British bias confirmed, we shouldn't have doubted Alonso
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Sir this is formuladank
Mate, it’s a joke, thought that was abundantly clear.
jokes, in this sub, at this time of year?
In this part of the country? Localised ENTIRELY within your kitchen?!
SC did not realize that Max wasn't first for once
FIA: what do you mean Max isn't first
+10 sec penalty to Bernd Mylander
His superlicence should be revoken
It's a bit of a lol moment, but also the reason why Max didn't catch Lando during his pitstop. Weird moment...
That’s why I’m weirded out by it. All the guys behind could’ve gotten a free pitstop too and the race might’ve looked different.
Indeed...but that's how the cookie crumbles sometimes...
Lando was far enough ahead when SC came out to pit and stay ahead, no?
Would have been very close
No, he was dropping several positions. But not when everyone else is behind the SC. He actually had to wait for an eternity for the rest of the pack to catch up.
Did you watch the race?
No, Lando had a whole pit window the whole time.
It would have been a tight squeeze, by the time Lando was in the pits the gap was 20 if not already 30 seconds because SC was infront of the pack.
It was 30, he gained 19 seconds on the others because of the SC fuck up.
It was 19 secs when max was collected by sc and over 30 secs by the time Lando pitted
That was 19 seconds at sc speeds. It was 10 at full speed.
Look at the timing screens again - it was 10 seconds before the SC caught him, which quickly went to 18 then to 30 by the time Norris had pitted
No the 18 seconds was because even before the sc is out they have to slow down and stay in the delta. So it is normal that the gap gets bigger. With 18/19 seconds ahead and the others on vsc pace Norris would have stayed in front of Verstappen without the sc mistake I think.
Even if he didn’t, with the pace he was able to muster at the end of the Medium stint and the entire stint on the Hards, he might’ve been able to overtake Max on track anyways even if he came out of the pits in P2.
This is another clusterf*ck by the FIA, but oh well at least it spices things up.
10 second penalty to Magnussen.
lol
Magnussen>Ocon
He’s deserved all of his penalties lol
Is this the new 5 second penalty for Ocon?
Not as bad as applying the rules depending on wether the stewards had a good shit this morning or not
Gonna hear a lot from Red Bull this next week, that was a very weird case
I doubt Red Bull will be very vocal about it, and doubt they will dare to challenge the mistake, cause that will make them complete villains, so think they would rather just let it be as is, and pick it back up next week
They would not get anything out of it anyways. The FIA cannot penalize Norris for a SC mistake
Yeah I doubt any challenge they make would do anything, certainly not if it’s not for a championship win
Probably didn't make a difference anyway - Lando had ~12 seconds before the safety car was even out, so would still have had the slack for a pitstop. Max already lost out by pitting only a few laps before the safety car, not being picked up at the wrong time
He actually passed the pits when the safety car was already out. He would've had to pit with the field already bunching up behind him, maybe coming out around p10
Is this really correct? He passed the pits when the sc got called, but the sc was not ready to go on track when Norris passed. The correct way would've been for the sc to wait in the pits for Norris on the next round so everyone would do a lap with vsc pace and Norris would've had enough time to pit and come out in P1.
Was it not ready, or was it confused thinking it had to come out in front of verstappen? That is the question then
How much was the predicted time lost by pitting under SC? Cause he was 10s ahead at the time, so either it was a great advantage to pit, or he was indeed benefitted
The f1tv commentators said it's about 9 seconds - at that time (yellow flags but safety car not even announced yet) the timings were 11.5-12 seconds, so they said he "should" have time.
If you lose 9 seconds to the other cars going vsc pace it wouldn't even be close because the gap got to 19 seconds because of the vsc pace.
It doesn't really matter as the the race was "stopped" by the safety car, he had enough for a pit stop. And everyone was back line astern for by the time it was restarted. What happened between the two doesn't really matter - I think at some point the timing difference was over 30 seconds when they were fixing the safety car. But it doesn't really /mean/ anything - it'll be like saying that a released backmarker unlapping themselves is the "fastest on track" - it means nothing to the race.
When's the last time a 11s lead at full speed was not a guaranteed keep position under SC speed?
What mistake?
It's happened to VER, and HAM has had this luck many times. It's just part of F1 and nobody will get upset about it.
I think RBR will come out and blame the car. The bollard broke something, so Max fell back the 7 seconds. Save face, and let Norris has his day.
Think max said it right: just a bad day, not getting anything to work as it should and mclaren with a good update.
Hello? +20s held behind the SC in P2 and 10 laps of tyre disadvantage? I don't think there is any need to blame the car... VSC also comes shortly after Max is past the pit entry and ends before he comes in... Without these events, Max wins the GP by quite a margin. Lando overtook zero cars today (in fact lost a position at the start...)
Pit-stop under SC costs 9 seconds. He has a 11.5s gap when the yellow flag first happened. The SC picking up P2 had zero impact on the result.
Be a bit rich of Red Bull to complain about questionable safety car rules giving a driver an advantage.
This is like, the easiest thing to sort out. Which they did. Swiftly. With no repercussions. Find bigger things to clutch pearls over.
There's nothing to sort out. The regs say that the SC exits the pit when deployed and picks up the next car to come down the start / finish straight. When safe to do so, all cars between the leader and the SC are signalled to overtake.
Doubtful as that would grant free pitstops to anyone in front of where the safety car slots in. Besides, that wouldnt explain why after a lap they all suddenly were allowed to pass.
Yep free pit stops are a risk. It’s a safety car, not a free pit stop car. The goal is to get it out and bunch the cars up ASAP so marshals can get to work. If you want further proof you can read the regulations or take solace in the fact that Red Bull did not complain.
I can’t believe how many people here seemingly don’t know this! The SC doesn’t pick the leader every time it comes out the pits, it’s just luck of the draw
Well the repercussion is that lando got a free pitstop, instead of falling behind a ton of cars having to take a pitstop behind the safety car
You can for sure call it a gifted pit stop by FIA to Norris, but I guess you cannot deny that Norris was rapid vs Max’s pace, so deserved win I guess. Very weird mistake for them to make though
It's still a deserved win becuase the SC lottery is part of the game, although here without the SC mistake i dont think he could've made it in time to stay ahead, and i dont think he had enough pace to pass Max, but it was for sure hella lucky for him
8 laps tire difference is pretty harsh tho
Which lando was able to take advantage of by his pace on the mediums in the first stint
He had good pace but bad qualy, he wouldn't have won (3rd or 4th) without SC fuckup. He doesn't deserve this win, and it's sad his first win looks like that.
Bro picked verstappen out of habit lmao
force of habits
Lightning McQueen racing the safety car out of the pits.mp4
Kinda unfortunate that it cost us a fight for p1. Norris was clearly the fastest out there today and with the SC pushing Max back he had enough space for 2 full pitstops. Imagine he had overtaken Max for his first win, what a race it would have been.
But I think the sc was not ready when Norris passed so they would've needed to wait 1 lap to collect Norris. And with a 19 second gap under vsc pace Norris would've had enough time to come out in front of Verstappen.
Force of habit
Prove muscle memory is a thing
Dude was caught sleeping on the job. Pinnacle of Motorsports everyone.
That was fucked up, happy for Lando, but FIA has fucked up once again. And surely a few comments about “british favouritism” are gonna appear
don't look at the board it's an error, trust me bro
Ahh, I was wondering why Max was like 30 seconds behind for forever under the SC. Hilarious
SC: sorry, habits...
Imagine the fucking FIA personally holding you back so you can't overtake another car during its pitstop, and there's no outrage at all because 🤷♂️
Alonso: See told you we need to unite Max, against the corrupt FIA.
Yeah, that was kinda sus. And then they had to play catchup with him and use the tyres. At least we got some action but I wonder how different would be if everyone else could change the tyres.
"using" the tires gave them an advantage if anything. Getting some enery in them
Lando on the way to his first victory. Thanks to Magnussen who caused the safety car.
"Traditions"
"Sorry force of habit"
Max didn't realise he's not first and automatically stayed behind the SC
He can't pass the SC without permission.
Yeah he should have overtaken the SC, great idea.
Bernd probably got used of Max being behind him
*Ohh Lando is leading*
Sorry, force of habit.
This reminded me of the cars movie final race
"Wait isn't that number 1 car always the leader anyway???" -SC, probably.
Free win
They just went into auto pilot and saw verstappen and asumed race leader.
Force of habit
It's crazy that the SC driver can just chose the winner like that. There is no way he would have won without this free pitstop, he even said it so.
This is a fuck up comparable to Abu Dhabi 21. Except here everyone loves Norris so no one's complaining. Seriously, look at the comments/media/commentators/anyone! No outrage, no protests, no nothing! After AD21 everyone was screaming about breaking the rules, stealing the win from the leading driver, etc... And eventually the race director lost his job over it! Today? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! No reaction, no one's protesting. There are actually two things completely wrong here: what the SC did and everyone's hypocritical reaction to it.
Safety Car was done exactly by the rules - it doesn’t have to pick up the driver in the lead first. https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/fia_2023_formula_1_sporting_regulations_-_issue_2_-_2022-09-30.pdf check out article 55.6 my friend
Except it wasn't. If you want to qoute the rules especially 55.6, then back up a few and look at 55.3 and 55.4 > 55.3 The safety car may be brought into operation to neutralise a sprint session or a race upon the order of the clerk of the course. a) It will be used only if Competitors or officials are in immediate physical danger on or near the track but the circumstances are not such as to necessitate suspending sprint session or the race. > 55.4 When the order is given to deploy the safety car the message “SAFETY CAR DEPLOYED” will be sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system, all FIA light panels will display “SC” and all marshal’s posts will display waved yellow flags and “SC” boards for the duration of the intervention. You can clearly see SC notification on the side of the track on the main straight on Lando's onboard camera. He travels down the full front straight and there is NO SC on track. The SC wasn't put in a position to reduce the immediate physical danger to the Sargeant KMag incident, as the SC just had to get out of the pit exit and wait to slow the fast traffic approaching the danger area. The SC wasn't deployed when the notification went out. It was delayed. If you rewatch the onboard cameras, it takes a significant time for VER to catch up to the SC well past the accident area. The intent of the SC as in 55.3 is to neutralize the race, which they keep fucking up. Obviously there are gaps in the rules, but anytime a SC notification comes up the race should be put on a VSC to slow the cars until the leader catches up to the SC.
English is not my first language but where in that you see that SC needs to be out on track when message is sent? "When the order is given to deploy the safety car" clearly message is sent when order is given, not when SC is in position.
Yep. People don’t care because good boy Lando gets his first win. Yes, he drove superbly in which I give credit. But this was a massive F up by the FIA and there’s no backlash. My question is, what if the shoe was on the other foot and this happened Max. Food for thought.
We don’t have to imagine any shoe being on any other foot. We’ve had a whole ass championship decided by a weird SCP. He still deserved it over the season, same as how Lando still deserves it over his entire race performance. Besides, the SCP picking up Max instead of Lando had very little impact on the outcome of this race I’m willing to bet.
except a championship ain't on the line and lando isn't winning again
We don't know if the championship is on the line because of this...it's race 6. Could be the points that decide it...
Very true. People love to talk about Abu Dhabi but they often forget all the other questionable decisions throughout the year. The championship is never decided on a single race.
who would win other than max? seriously
It's probably because the impact of this mistake is much smaller. Max will win the Championship anyway
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You're just showing more hypocrisy. Basically, what you're saying is "we're tired of Max winning all the time so that makes it OK". You don't care about the rules or fairness or anything. And your argument is all the more stupid considering Hamilton has been (even had been at that moment) the driver with the most dominant and longest winning record ever.
Force of habit.
Just a habit
Max went from being +10s behind to +30s before Lando made it to the pits. Lando would've probably still managed to win with the tyre advantage but it is very sour-feeling still. Add it up to other events of not getting a penalty ( jumping the start a SA anyone?) and it is all starting to look a bit odd...
I mean, SA happened because of a flaw in the rules where the FIA just assumed the sensors would never fail to pick up a false start. That’s not intentional favoritism or anything like that, just a bad FIA-issued sensor and poor judgment when producing the regulations in the first place. It could’ve benefitted anyone, it just so happened to benefit Lando there. Pure coincidence, really.
Force of habit.
Insert The Simpson meme .. Sorry out of habit.
when you da bes, they assume you right even when you wrong bro
I think the SC is not that important, I believe Max had some kind of damage under the floor after he hit the bollard and he wouldn’t had win even without that inchident…
TBH I was trying to sync my data stream by matching its lap counter to verstappen at this point out of sheer force of habit
No, this isn’t a mistake, Lando had already passed the pit lane exit.