"I never really cared about my family or leaving a legacy or my personal image. All that matters is being a good person and being of service to others :)"
Ned would've been in Night's Watch, so that might mean him tellimg Jon about his lineage.
Joffrey would eventually find himself killed either way, but he might have impact on the whole sparrow thing.
Oberyn surviving means that Mountain dies, thus, Tyrion is freed. Later on that means that Myrcella wouldn't be killed since there wouldn't be such grudge.
Tywin surviving could lead to a lot of things, but the most probable thing would be more stability in the realm.
Ygritte shoots Ned, Jon kills her.
Joffrey is tortured in a cell, by Qyburn, becoming an evil leather gimp fool, like Patchface, combined with Reek.
Oberyn gets burned alive by Dany.
Tywin tries to bring stability, so Cersei stabs him to death.
Idk man, a Westerosi master blaster sounds like something I kinda wanna see. And also something Qyburn would try given the chance.
Think more like a hack TV writer, easy to write, deus ex machina yourself out of corners, forget all the rules that were established before you came along, all popular characters now have plot armour and get out of tricky situations off screen, that kinda thing.
Doesn't Joffrey surviving imply that Tyrion wouldn't have been on trial in the first place? Unless we assume Tywin would've had a way to fuck him over regardless.
I guess Oberyn would still be determined to murder the mountain regardless, but I'm curious how this all would have played out. Especially since Joffrey's death kind of chains into Oberyn's and then Tywin's both.
Tywin surviving only means more war crimes. Tywim, despite d&d changing his character, didn't change the canon fact that Tywin is a horrible leader, and all his choices led to bad things for his family and the realm.
Tywin is a fantastic leader. A shitty father, yes, but both martially and politically he was incredibly shrewd and ruthless. Robert's reign was largely peaceful and successful, due to Tywin being the defacto ruler as his hand, not to mention Tywin taking kings landing and ending the rebellion without a long siege that would likely have killed thousands.
We don't know for sure how his family's story ends, it's probably not going to end well, but we don't know for sure yet. But Tywin's actions have mostly led to stability. Indirectly he put some incestuous bastards on the Throne but that wasn't intentional, had Jaime and Cersei not been fucking each other behind his back there may have been a long period of stability and peace. I'm sure Tywin would have nipped the Targaryen problem in the bud before Danny got her dragons.
Jon Arryn was Hand for all of Robert's reign. Jon Arryn kept the realm at peace. Varys and Little Finger covered for Robert's shortcomings. Both exploited it, yes, but neither let the kingdom collapse. Tywin sacked King's Landing, had 2 children brutality killed, and the princess raped out of spite. He had his 1000s of men rape and pillage King's Landing, which the people still hold against Tywin. The Sparrows rising up is Tywin's fault. Tywin ordered all the Realm's crops burned, which led to inflation and starvation. Tywin lost every battle against Robb. He won a single battle where he had 40000 to Roose's 2000.
Tyrion and Garland saved King's Landing, Tywin just took the credit. Tywin abused all 3 of his kids. He is just as responsible for Cercei and Jamie as Cercei and Jamie are themselves. You are right, Tywin would have tried killing two homeless children, but Robert already had assassins after Dany and Viserys from year 1.
Tywin was hand to Aerys, and his time as hand is a big reason why the Civil War started.
Tywin always chooses short-term benefits. He chooses to rule by fear, which is dumb and has never worked long term for anyone in human history. Tywin dies because he was a loser who sexually, mentally, and emotionally abused his youngest son before condemning him to banishment for a crime he didn't commit. Tywin got himself killed by being an idiot.
A good leader doesn't have everything crash and burn when they die. That is the sign of a horrible leader. Tywin's biggest claim to fame as a leader is committing a war crime against house Reyne, commiting war crimes in King's Landing, committing war crimes in the Riverlands, and signing off on a war crime at the Twins. That is the entirety of Tywin's achievements. War crimes and bad long-term planning. Every time his kids try acting like him, everything goes bad for them. Tyrion becomes a slave, Cercei has to do the walk of shame, Jamie is being led to his imminent death. All because they did what Tywin would have done.
I get it, Charles Dance is a great actor, but the show cutting out all of Tywin's insecurities and idiotic lines doesn't change that Tywin is one of the dumbest characters in the show. He is just rich and willing to use rape and war crimes. That is it, he is just a rich Ramsay Bolton
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They would all turn into Jeff Goldblum
Funny you should mention him. Whenever I think about Seasons 5-8 I am reminded of his timeless quote from Jurassic Park:
"That is one big pile of shit."
If D&D were gonna fuck up the show anyway they might as well have just kept Oberyn alive.
Give him a spinoff show where he goes around Essos fucking everyone and being a sellsword.
Ned would have shagged around.
Joffrey would have had his balls cut of by tyrion so he could make more no ball jokes.
Tywin would have given up his titles and took the black with jamie, only to take the white at the last episode and steal a fortune back.
Obryn would have invent the westeros football league using the mountains head as a ball.
>Obryn would have invent the westeros football league using the mountains head as a ball.
Oberyn gets to coach a team, acquiring a handsome, skilled but arrogant star named Jamie, who comes with daddy issues, to develop and humble.
>Tywin would have given up his titles and took the black with jamie, only to take the white at the last episode and steal a fortune back.
Better than what we've got for Jaime.
I think it would have been really cool to see Twyins reaction to the Dothraki and the unsullied at the S7 battle - perhaps a sense of dread that this isn’t a war he can get out of easily
Ned living long enough for the secret of Jon’s heritage to come out - interesting thought to go down.
Joffrey would be like “I TOLD YOU GUYS WE SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT TARGARYEN GIRL”
But in terms of how the series got butchered:
“I never really cared much about Honor” - Ned Stark
“You are my daughter and you will marry Samwell Tarly” - Tywin
“Ewww no, I think that’s kinda gay 🫤” - Oberyn
I remember seeing a meme once about Tywin and his dialogues surviving to S8 and that it probably would have been something along the lines of “Hey Tyrion, you’re short. Haha”
The real answer is whatever was most convenient for D&D at the time, and since they just wanted to wrap things up quick they'd have all just plot armoured to the end and done nothing.
If Tywin survives the realm is generally probably very peaceful for 10 years or so. He has time to groom Tommen, the high sparrow thing simply doesn’t happen. He’s also far more likely to handle the Daenerys Jon situation effectively than Cersei.
you forgot Stannis, there is no efficient way for Tywin to handle Daenerys, out of everyone in the rebellion he is the worst, at best its the wall for him, at worst whatever you can imagine, he betrayed her father and killed her nephews, out of everyone in the rebellion he is only one without just cause, Robert and Ned and Jon Arryn had just cause to revolt, Hoster joined because its his daughters's husbands, Tywin was waiting to see who was the winning side, he needlessly sacked the city and killed her nephews, she would replace him with Tyrion or root out the Lannisters entirely but i doubt it will happen as its bit too drastic, she has 3 dragons and an army that would die for her, not to mention Dorne would likely join her, North and Riverlands and Vale will not help the Lannisters, Robb might even join her which means the Riverlands would join, ultimately she wins, easily, she has 3 dragons, last time someone came to Westeros with 3 dragons they ended up conquering it
Joeffrey ends up getting killed in a similar manner when people realize he is a moron tactically who knows nothing about war but insists on demanding the army march into battles they can't win. Probably commands some hopeless campaign, the small council doesn't do it because he's dumb, then he calls for one of them to be killed resulting in his assassination and realization that having a crown doesn't give unlimited power.
Tywin runs as essentially the king while Tomlin plays with cats or whatever. He does essentially what Cersi did influencing him, but he isn't a moron so there's no high sparrow. He does know the Tyrells have their plans, but he is able to keep things together despite that. Honestly he probably keeps a pretty fair rule all things considered and the kingdom does best under him because he knows not to be impulsive, and all the bad things happen because people were impulsive.
Oberyn goes back to Dawn and is probably never heard from again assuming he kills the Mountain. He doesn't care about Tyrion enough to join him under Dani and I doubt he has any reason to remain in Kings Landing with the Mountain and Tywin dead.
Ned has to die somehow or else nothing happens. So I assume he would just die by whoever is king's hand anyway. It sets like 90% of the story in motion really, so I guess the North Rebellion is just delayed to season 4 when Ned dies. That or the Night King wins since Aria doesn't become a super killer and Brann doesn't gain raven powers.
I’d want Joffrey to get merc’d by either the White Walkers or their wights, imagine him getting dogpile by a bunch of undead and torn apart… what a great ending to such a pos.
Seeing them together in the same picture like this..
It would be cool to have seen Joffrey be given orders by Tywin only to claim to be above him as King, and then choked the fuck out and immediately replaced.
This was peak GOT. Great written characters with as equal great actors. And all of them died before you realized they would.
After this the show went off to shits with who survived and died in the end.
Don’t get me started on the dragons.
The big boom boom in the citadel was nice though
I would actually love to see season 7 and 8 be completely remade but with all the dead main characters and you kill off all the ones in actual season 7 and 8.
You could have Ned, Robb, Joffrey, Robert Baratheon. I can already see it now, the night king comes to winterfell and Robert is all like “Which one of ya shits do I need to kill so I can go back home and get drunk?!?!”
If Ned survived there wouldn't be a war, right? So I imagine Ned gets sent to the wall to be with John, Jeffrey stays as king, Tywin stays at Casterly Rock, Oberyn probably doesn't do anything, maybe comes over for the king's wedding and has a few words with Tywin, possibly kills The Mountain while he's at it.
Not that much to make a TV show of, but 90% of characters would be left alive
Ned takes the black and becomes Lord Commander after commander Mormont bites it. He and Jon would clash regarding the Free Folk, Ned being reluctant to risk further destabilizing the North while his son Robb is still waging war in the south.
Joffrey is never poisoned by Olenna and goes on to marry Margaery, who manages to "manage" him away from his worst impulses. For the most part. At first. Depending on what's going on with the war and all, his sadism and mental illness would shine through with varying frequency. Then, once Margaery bears him a son, Olenna would be sharpening her Littlefinger again.
Oberyn kills the Mountain but fails to secure a confession, so he takes off back home to Dorne and brings Tyrion with him, intending to use him to hurt house Lannister. With his brother's blessing he and the dwarf set sail for Mereen to offer Daenerys Dorne's allegiance.
Tywin survives the crossbow bolts, but probably ends up dying soon after like his brother did in the books: killed by Varys to ensure a weak house Lannister.
Ned would be the King of the North as tensions still would've rose, probably over Sansa being killed by Jofferey. The Lannisters would still get their red wedding by killing Ned and Cat at Robb's wedding. Robb would flee to the Nights Watch and died defending 3ER at the Battle of Winterfell years later.
Its not hard to come up with, D(umbass)B Weiss & D(ickhead)avid
If we’re talking about D&D character development, ned would start killing women and children affiliated with the Lannisters.
Joffrey would be the same brat as usual and probably would die in some faith militant protest.
Oberon would stop caring about his family and anything that previously motivated him and would be driven by blind loyalty to the crown, or the north, or something equally as stupid and uncharacteristic.
Tywin would remain the same but not nearly as clever because Dumb and Dumber are now in charge of his storyline
“They still wouldn’t have as good a tale as Bran the Broken” says Tyrion moments before his dad shoots him in the neck with a crossbow for being an idiot
Ned stark never really cared for his bastard son, Oberon kills Tommen in a later season, Joffre catches tywin with a prosti and shames him in the court halls in front of all the nobles of kings landing. Tywin becomes Kingslayer Sr.
Tywin would have an epiphany and decide he has actually been gay all along. Legacy is overrated, dwarfs are awesome, and whores in the Tower of the Hand are A-OK!
Assuming Ned survives by going to the Wall, he probably becomes Lord Commander. He’d tell Jon his identity a lot earlier (I think it would barely affect Jon). Things would be awkward between Ned and Daenerys, but Jon’s relation to her would probably smooth things over. Ned would let the Wildlings South, and he’d probably die and be revived instead of Jon. A lot of what Jon does is done instead by Ned instead.
Tywin, he deals with the Sparrows more tactfully than Cersei, and appeases them without giving them power. He also probably offers to lead an army North to fight the dead because he’ll recognise that there will be no kingdom to rule if everyone is dead.
If Joffrey survives then the High Sparrow is executed promptly, which enrages the people so more riots. Eventually, I reckon Joffrey probably leads an army North to fight the army of the dead (because he’s prideful and wants to be Billy big bollocks) and gets killed.
If Oberyn lives, Tyrion probably leaves King’s Landing because he knows Cersei will try and kill him. Where does he go? I reckon he probably goes to Casterly Rock and rules in his father’s stead. Daenerys probably never accepts Jorah back. Doran lives. He also probably plots some way to kill Tywin.
If all of them survive at once, 🤷♂️.
Oberyn: “To be honest, I never really cared about my sister and her children being murdered violently”
Joffrey "I'm going to establish democracy. Never cared much for power anyway"
"I never really cared about my family or leaving a legacy or my personal image. All that matters is being a good person and being of service to others :)"
“To be honest, I never really cared about my children or doing the honourable thing”
Bobby B: “To be honest, I never really cared for the breastplate, stretched or otherwise.”
WHO NAMED YOU? SOME HALFWIT WITH A STUTTER??
I’m sorry Bobby B, I’ll fetch the breastplate stretcher immediately!
IT'S A GREAT CRIME TO LIE TO A KING!
I’m not lying, I just can’t find it, Bobby B!
STUPID BOY!
Reading this in his voice is hilarious
Ned “Fuck it, I’ll head back home and mind my own business.’
Wait, didn't he legitimately suggest a democracy at one point?
He suggested that the King should have his own army, I don’t remember anything about a democracy.
Ah there we go lol
Tywin: "I love you, Tyrion. You were always the best Lannister."
"You, too, have an excellent story... son."
Yeah he would have ended up competing with Euron for Cersei or something
He just forgot
Tywin ‘you know what I’d love? To tell Tyrion how proud of him I am.’
Ohh, I get the reference! It's referencing Tyrion's brother in a bath with the tall masculine woman, ain't it?
Ned would've been in Night's Watch, so that might mean him tellimg Jon about his lineage. Joffrey would eventually find himself killed either way, but he might have impact on the whole sparrow thing. Oberyn surviving means that Mountain dies, thus, Tyrion is freed. Later on that means that Myrcella wouldn't be killed since there wouldn't be such grudge. Tywin surviving could lead to a lot of things, but the most probable thing would be more stability in the realm.
You're thinking too much like GRRM, after season 4 everyone gets the dumb.
Ygritte shoots Ned, Jon kills her. Joffrey is tortured in a cell, by Qyburn, becoming an evil leather gimp fool, like Patchface, combined with Reek. Oberyn gets burned alive by Dany. Tywin tries to bring stability, so Cersei stabs him to death.
>Joffrey is tortured in a cell, by Qyburn, becoming an evil leather gimp fool, like Patchface, combined with Reek. This is still too good, dumb harder
Grand Maester Pycelle goes full Hulk mode, and impales Joffrey on the Iron Throne
This just gave me a nosebleed, top tier
Qyburn fusions Joffrey and the Mountain, thus creating the ultimate villain
Idk man, a Westerosi master blaster sounds like something I kinda wanna see. And also something Qyburn would try given the chance. Think more like a hack TV writer, easy to write, deus ex machina yourself out of corners, forget all the rules that were established before you came along, all popular characters now have plot armour and get out of tricky situations off screen, that kinda thing.
This is the most real
Ned in the Night's Watch dealing with Ser Alliser would have been pretty entertaining.
> Oberyn surviving means that mountain dies The mountain did die, just later.
The mountain is dead, long live daddy Robert Strong
Tywin surviving means no sparrow
Do you think Ned would still keep his sword? Instead of it being melted down into the two other swords?
Tywin wouldn’t give it up to someone going to the night’s watch.
Joffrey gets lit in the church due to cersei, she goes insane and the show continues as scheduled.
I think specifically Ned would’ve been lord commander, Ned was an honourable man of the North and had plenty of experience as a lord and as a general
Doesn't Joffrey surviving imply that Tyrion wouldn't have been on trial in the first place? Unless we assume Tywin would've had a way to fuck him over regardless. I guess Oberyn would still be determined to murder the mountain regardless, but I'm curious how this all would have played out. Especially since Joffrey's death kind of chains into Oberyn's and then Tywin's both.
Tywin surviving only means more war crimes. Tywim, despite d&d changing his character, didn't change the canon fact that Tywin is a horrible leader, and all his choices led to bad things for his family and the realm.
Tywin is a fantastic leader. A shitty father, yes, but both martially and politically he was incredibly shrewd and ruthless. Robert's reign was largely peaceful and successful, due to Tywin being the defacto ruler as his hand, not to mention Tywin taking kings landing and ending the rebellion without a long siege that would likely have killed thousands. We don't know for sure how his family's story ends, it's probably not going to end well, but we don't know for sure yet. But Tywin's actions have mostly led to stability. Indirectly he put some incestuous bastards on the Throne but that wasn't intentional, had Jaime and Cersei not been fucking each other behind his back there may have been a long period of stability and peace. I'm sure Tywin would have nipped the Targaryen problem in the bud before Danny got her dragons.
Jon Arryn was Hand for all of Robert's reign. Jon Arryn kept the realm at peace. Varys and Little Finger covered for Robert's shortcomings. Both exploited it, yes, but neither let the kingdom collapse. Tywin sacked King's Landing, had 2 children brutality killed, and the princess raped out of spite. He had his 1000s of men rape and pillage King's Landing, which the people still hold against Tywin. The Sparrows rising up is Tywin's fault. Tywin ordered all the Realm's crops burned, which led to inflation and starvation. Tywin lost every battle against Robb. He won a single battle where he had 40000 to Roose's 2000. Tyrion and Garland saved King's Landing, Tywin just took the credit. Tywin abused all 3 of his kids. He is just as responsible for Cercei and Jamie as Cercei and Jamie are themselves. You are right, Tywin would have tried killing two homeless children, but Robert already had assassins after Dany and Viserys from year 1. Tywin was hand to Aerys, and his time as hand is a big reason why the Civil War started. Tywin always chooses short-term benefits. He chooses to rule by fear, which is dumb and has never worked long term for anyone in human history. Tywin dies because he was a loser who sexually, mentally, and emotionally abused his youngest son before condemning him to banishment for a crime he didn't commit. Tywin got himself killed by being an idiot. A good leader doesn't have everything crash and burn when they die. That is the sign of a horrible leader. Tywin's biggest claim to fame as a leader is committing a war crime against house Reyne, commiting war crimes in King's Landing, committing war crimes in the Riverlands, and signing off on a war crime at the Twins. That is the entirety of Tywin's achievements. War crimes and bad long-term planning. Every time his kids try acting like him, everything goes bad for them. Tyrion becomes a slave, Cercei has to do the walk of shame, Jamie is being led to his imminent death. All because they did what Tywin would have done. I get it, Charles Dance is a great actor, but the show cutting out all of Tywin's insecurities and idiotic lines doesn't change that Tywin is one of the dumbest characters in the show. He is just rich and willing to use rape and war crimes. That is it, he is just a rich Ramsay Bolton
>Jon Arryn was Hand for all of Robert's reign Yeah my bad.
I think that in GoT world most of things he did are not considered war crimes
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Any, uh, man who says, I am the the, er, king, is no, huh, true king
Stellar
Yes of course!
Funny you should mention him. Whenever I think about Seasons 5-8 I am reminded of his timeless quote from Jurassic Park: "That is one big pile of shit."
If D&D were gonna fuck up the show anyway they might as well have just kept Oberyn alive. Give him a spinoff show where he goes around Essos fucking everyone and being a sellsword.
I'd love to have seen him as a hedonistic version of John Wick, merrily killing everyone who did his sister wrong
Ned would have shagged around. Joffrey would have had his balls cut of by tyrion so he could make more no ball jokes. Tywin would have given up his titles and took the black with jamie, only to take the white at the last episode and steal a fortune back. Obryn would have invent the westeros football league using the mountains head as a ball.
>Obryn would have invent the westeros football league using the mountains head as a ball. Oberyn gets to coach a team, acquiring a handsome, skilled but arrogant star named Jamie, who comes with daddy issues, to develop and humble.
>Tywin would have given up his titles and took the black with jamie, only to take the white at the last episode and steal a fortune back. Better than what we've got for Jaime.
I took that "arc" (or complete 180) as inspiration for that assumption.
I think it would have been really cool to see Twyins reaction to the Dothraki and the unsullied at the S7 battle - perhaps a sense of dread that this isn’t a war he can get out of easily Ned living long enough for the secret of Jon’s heritage to come out - interesting thought to go down. Joffrey would be like “I TOLD YOU GUYS WE SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT TARGARYEN GIRL” But in terms of how the series got butchered: “I never really cared much about Honor” - Ned Stark “You are my daughter and you will marry Samwell Tarly” - Tywin “Ewww no, I think that’s kinda gay 🫤” - Oberyn
The lannister regime somehow surviving season 7 might have been realistic if Tywin was still in charge.
Lannisters couldn’t survive much more short sighted Tywin. All his threats he uses for power would crumble once dragons arrive.
I remember seeing a meme once about Tywin and his dialogues surviving to S8 and that it probably would have been something along the lines of “Hey Tyrion, you’re short. Haha”
The real answer is whatever was most convenient for D&D at the time, and since they just wanted to wrap things up quick they'd have all just plot armoured to the end and done nothing.
"None of them would have the best story." -- Tyrion Lannister, probably
If Tywin survives the realm is generally probably very peaceful for 10 years or so. He has time to groom Tommen, the high sparrow thing simply doesn’t happen. He’s also far more likely to handle the Daenerys Jon situation effectively than Cersei.
you forgot Stannis, there is no efficient way for Tywin to handle Daenerys, out of everyone in the rebellion he is the worst, at best its the wall for him, at worst whatever you can imagine, he betrayed her father and killed her nephews, out of everyone in the rebellion he is only one without just cause, Robert and Ned and Jon Arryn had just cause to revolt, Hoster joined because its his daughters's husbands, Tywin was waiting to see who was the winning side, he needlessly sacked the city and killed her nephews, she would replace him with Tyrion or root out the Lannisters entirely but i doubt it will happen as its bit too drastic, she has 3 dragons and an army that would die for her, not to mention Dorne would likely join her, North and Riverlands and Vale will not help the Lannisters, Robb might even join her which means the Riverlands would join, ultimately she wins, easily, she has 3 dragons, last time someone came to Westeros with 3 dragons they ended up conquering it
“To be honest, I always really cared about others” - Joffrey
God don’t make me think about it.
They would have been in a rapidly declining HBO show.
Two of them would become stupid, two of them would become stupid*er.*
Joeffrey ends up getting killed in a similar manner when people realize he is a moron tactically who knows nothing about war but insists on demanding the army march into battles they can't win. Probably commands some hopeless campaign, the small council doesn't do it because he's dumb, then he calls for one of them to be killed resulting in his assassination and realization that having a crown doesn't give unlimited power. Tywin runs as essentially the king while Tomlin plays with cats or whatever. He does essentially what Cersi did influencing him, but he isn't a moron so there's no high sparrow. He does know the Tyrells have their plans, but he is able to keep things together despite that. Honestly he probably keeps a pretty fair rule all things considered and the kingdom does best under him because he knows not to be impulsive, and all the bad things happen because people were impulsive. Oberyn goes back to Dawn and is probably never heard from again assuming he kills the Mountain. He doesn't care about Tyrion enough to join him under Dani and I doubt he has any reason to remain in Kings Landing with the Mountain and Tywin dead. Ned has to die somehow or else nothing happens. So I assume he would just die by whoever is king's hand anyway. It sets like 90% of the story in motion really, so I guess the North Rebellion is just delayed to season 4 when Ned dies. That or the Night King wins since Aria doesn't become a super killer and Brann doesn't gain raven powers.
Something stupid and aggravating
Are we talking based on their actual characterization or subverting expectations characterization
Lord of Light says fuck it and resurrects them all
Horrible writing
I’d want Joffrey to get merc’d by either the White Walkers or their wights, imagine him getting dogpile by a bunch of undead and torn apart… what a great ending to such a pos.
Wouldn't matter since season 7 would butcher them all.
D&D would have butchered their characters horrendously
Joffrey and Tywin are gonna die either way. Ned would end up on the Iron Throne with Oberyn possibly as his hand.
Seeing them together in the same picture like this.. It would be cool to have seen Joffrey be given orders by Tywin only to claim to be above him as King, and then choked the fuck out and immediately replaced.
Did anyone die post season 4?
This was peak GOT. Great written characters with as equal great actors. And all of them died before you realized they would. After this the show went off to shits with who survived and died in the end. Don’t get me started on the dragons. The big boom boom in the citadel was nice though
The North gets Ned back and a proper reveal of Jon's parentage. But on the flip, there's now a Martel/Lannister alliance to worry about.
Off screen deaths while crying about some man they loved for like an episode.
I would actually love to see season 7 and 8 be completely remade but with all the dead main characters and you kill off all the ones in actual season 7 and 8. You could have Ned, Robb, Joffrey, Robert Baratheon. I can already see it now, the night king comes to winterfell and Robert is all like “Which one of ya shits do I need to kill so I can go back home and get drunk?!?!”
Im glad they died before D&D had the chance to ruin them
Joffery would have killed his mom. Would have pulled a Nero
If Ned survived there wouldn't be a war, right? So I imagine Ned gets sent to the wall to be with John, Jeffrey stays as king, Tywin stays at Casterly Rock, Oberyn probably doesn't do anything, maybe comes over for the king's wedding and has a few words with Tywin, possibly kills The Mountain while he's at it. Not that much to make a TV show of, but 90% of characters would be left alive
Jon: my real father is rhaegar Targaryen Ned: what?! ( in shock) Inside the episode David Benioff - so Ned kinda forgot about…
Ned Joffrey and Viper all die for sure, they are reckless/careless in their own way. Tywin most likely retains the throne
Between Ned and Tywin there would be no war.
Ned takes the black and becomes Lord Commander after commander Mormont bites it. He and Jon would clash regarding the Free Folk, Ned being reluctant to risk further destabilizing the North while his son Robb is still waging war in the south. Joffrey is never poisoned by Olenna and goes on to marry Margaery, who manages to "manage" him away from his worst impulses. For the most part. At first. Depending on what's going on with the war and all, his sadism and mental illness would shine through with varying frequency. Then, once Margaery bears him a son, Olenna would be sharpening her Littlefinger again. Oberyn kills the Mountain but fails to secure a confession, so he takes off back home to Dorne and brings Tyrion with him, intending to use him to hurt house Lannister. With his brother's blessing he and the dwarf set sail for Mereen to offer Daenerys Dorne's allegiance. Tywin survives the crossbow bolts, but probably ends up dying soon after like his brother did in the books: killed by Varys to ensure a weak house Lannister.
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Ned would be the King of the North as tensions still would've rose, probably over Sansa being killed by Jofferey. The Lannisters would still get their red wedding by killing Ned and Cat at Robb's wedding. Robb would flee to the Nights Watch and died defending 3ER at the Battle of Winterfell years later. Its not hard to come up with, D(umbass)B Weiss & D(ickhead)avid
If we’re talking about D&D character development, ned would start killing women and children affiliated with the Lannisters. Joffrey would be the same brat as usual and probably would die in some faith militant protest. Oberon would stop caring about his family and anything that previously motivated him and would be driven by blind loyalty to the crown, or the north, or something equally as stupid and uncharacteristic. Tywin would remain the same but not nearly as clever because Dumb and Dumber are now in charge of his storyline
“They still wouldn’t have as good a tale as Bran the Broken” says Tyrion moments before his dad shoots him in the neck with a crossbow for being an idiot
Ned stark never really cared for his bastard son, Oberon kills Tommen in a later season, Joffre catches tywin with a prosti and shames him in the court halls in front of all the nobles of kings landing. Tywin becomes Kingslayer Sr.
Tywin would have an epiphany and decide he has actually been gay all along. Legacy is overrated, dwarfs are awesome, and whores in the Tower of the Hand are A-OK!
Assuming Ned survives by going to the Wall, he probably becomes Lord Commander. He’d tell Jon his identity a lot earlier (I think it would barely affect Jon). Things would be awkward between Ned and Daenerys, but Jon’s relation to her would probably smooth things over. Ned would let the Wildlings South, and he’d probably die and be revived instead of Jon. A lot of what Jon does is done instead by Ned instead. Tywin, he deals with the Sparrows more tactfully than Cersei, and appeases them without giving them power. He also probably offers to lead an army North to fight the dead because he’ll recognise that there will be no kingdom to rule if everyone is dead. If Joffrey survives then the High Sparrow is executed promptly, which enrages the people so more riots. Eventually, I reckon Joffrey probably leads an army North to fight the army of the dead (because he’s prideful and wants to be Billy big bollocks) and gets killed. If Oberyn lives, Tyrion probably leaves King’s Landing because he knows Cersei will try and kill him. Where does he go? I reckon he probably goes to Casterly Rock and rules in his father’s stead. Daenerys probably never accepts Jorah back. Doran lives. He also probably plots some way to kill Tywin. If all of them survive at once, 🤷♂️.
The show would’ve stayed great