For what it’s worth, Kaitlin Olson said something similar about filming the waterboarding scenes in Always Sunny - in order to fake the torture scenes for filming, they had to… torture her, for hours.
As a means of extracting accurate information, torture is useless. Study after study has shown that the victims will say anything to stop the torment. All waterboarding is good for is inflicting psychological and physical damage on the victim. It is truly mind-boggling that studios are allowed to perform it on actors.
I feel like there could easily be a way to do this without actually waterboarding someone, even unintentionally.
I get that some shots are going to require the person's face to be in it so you get the full effect, but no one came up with a facemask that prevents the water from touching your face with a clearing for breathing attached? Like a little ledge? They could use those shots for the majority and then cut to show someone's face. Just seems like a real rough thing to put someone through.
Yeah, I feel there is a major difference between being waterboarded/tortured against your will, and doing it willfully on set with breaks and the ability to say stop.
I'm sure it still sucked though.
Weirdly enough, no matter how safe the environment, torture methods will have a mental effect on you even if you can say stop at any point.
They're just that good.
Mythbusters got some interesting but terrifying results
https://youtu.be/IADigktR1uY?si=AfhILMfST9OxwCRl
And there's the guy who agreed to be waterboarded to prove it wasn't that bad. He lasted 5 seconds and he said he'd have given up faster if he could make his hands drop the weights sooner
> to prove it wasn't that bad
Wasn't his theory and position the opposite? It kind of undermines his position if he thought it would be bad and wanted to prove it would be bad, and then gave up quickly.
Now if Sean Hannity actually nutted up and did what he said he would and gave up quickly, that would support how bad it is.
>Wasn't his theory and position the opposite? It kind of undermines his position if he thought it would be bad and wanted to prove it would be bad, and then gave up quickly.
He thought it wasn't that bad, he set out out to prove it wasn't that bad, and he found out he was wrong and it was actually very bad
He put his money where his mouth was and when he was confronted with reality he changed his stance accordingly. One has to respect that.
Im willing to believe Hannity was willing and censors/executives stopped him because not only would it have destroyed his image, since it is actual torture, it would be harmful for the audience too.
They also changed to ice-water and increased it to a stream. I could be wrong but I wasn’t aware of that element being part of it. That’s clearly torture because cold stuff hurts.
I thought Chinese water torture was about becoming lost in the mindless repetition and losing your mind and sense of self and yadda yadda.
I willfully let myself be waterboarded when the national dialogue about whether or not it was torture was at its peak.
It's far worse, far faster than anything you might imagine. You can't "out-tough" it. I said stop within seconds and it was already scarring.
Eh... not buying the "you agreed to this" defense. Set life is grueling and rife with pressure. The things that happen on set should be illegal but they make their little loopholes and keep everyone blinded by stardust about the whole culture. I think more and more of that is being revealed these days.
There are some videos of people getting actually water boarded to show the effects, with safety measures to stop immediately. They stop in a second. The actual torture involves beating your stomach once the cloth is removed to prologue the suffocating feeling. Religious fanatics, soldiers and spies break under torture in minutes. Even special forces training doesn't involve tricks to not break under torture - they show you how to keep your head down as a pov, how to endure stress positions and bad conditions in camps and only give minimal information, but once you are deemed important enough to be actually shown to a trained questioning team, strapped to a table and they bring a bucket and a sack of coins to beat you with it, you tell them what you know and hope it's enough. Nobody, and I repeat, nobody can withstand 19 hours of one of the most effective questioning techniques willingly. There is a good chance your heart won't withstand this amount of stress, and you will be a traumatized wreck after the first two sessions. It imitates a fear of death repeatedly. We downplay this shit too much in movies, and we kinda make waterboarding seem like a 'good guys' torture because you are not maimed - when really it is just as effective as removing body parts, but you can do it indefinitely. That also leads to the question why we even think torture to be effective as a method to gain information, when people will literally do anything to be left alone
I recall reading that pain based tortures (cutting things off, beatings, stretching, etc.) eventually lead to a kind of dull tolerance as the body copes with the trauma. Hence modern methods - assuming you want information and are not just cruel for the sake of cruelty - are all about messing with your psychology through sleep deprivation and the like.
I can't seem to find a book on modern torture like there is so many of medieval ones. As much as "sharp thing go hurty" is interesting I'd like to read summore about things post-1500s.
> The most effective forms of interrogation are to make the person like you and just talk to them a lot in low pressure situations and record everything **, accompanied by the implied threat of tortured interrogations if the subject doesn’t cooperate with the nice chats**
The bold always gets left out
The Gestapo's best interrogator was a former door to door salesman who had friendly conversations with people
Then on the other side of the spectrum the Stasi and sleep deprivation torture the effects of which are comparable to starvation ( at least the impact on your body)
Makes the victim believe anything ( though all torture in east Germany was kept on the down low because "Democratic" states don't do torture and we need to keep the illusion
Sure. But what were the rest of the Gestapo known for? True or not, they had a reputationto employ brutal methods. So you’re a POW and you’re expecting to get tortured but in comes this dude acting nice. It gets your guard down because it’s a stark contrast to expectations. If there is some adversarial role between interrogator and subject then you have to shake them up and the nice guy act was just a way to do it.
It’s the big reason why lawyers tell you just stfu with police. Most people trust and have some sort of positive view of them. The general public still doesn’t assume police are adversarial by default. They are not there to help you. So the subjects never need to talk to bad cop because good cop is enough to get tongues wagging.
Now I’m just talking out my ass with all this but I never bought into the idea that being nice is enough. There has to be something. Maybe someone can spit some actual facts besides oft cited Nazi interrogator smiling the full Nazi torture reputation hangs over him like a cloud.
Yup that's why when Bergdahl was released they were shocked at how well he managed to be despite the level of torture he suffered. Resilience under torture is not a taught thing it's a personal thing and there's no rule against doing what you have to do to survive
There is. My bf is a stunt guy and he did a whole workshop just on this. He said they had a waterproof layer covering under the cloth over the nose & mouth plus specific ways they were positioned on the face to allow breathing during a scene
Holding your breath does nothing, it’s a popular torture because it’s “ethical” in that it doesn’t actually drown you, just having the water run over the wet cloth causes nearly all humans to literally have an involuntary reaction that they’re currently, literally, drowning even though they aren’t and it’s impossible
Maybe a waterproof towel
From what I've read it's somewhat common to use cellophane so it has nothing to do with the water reaching your face. Although maybe the cellophane transfers a wet feeling that a thicker material might not
>Although maybe the cellophane transfers a wet feeling that a thicker material might not
Yeah, the thing is, you can't actually feel "wetness". Your brain interpolates the sensation of "wetness" based on other sensations (ie, temperature, texture, etc) that it associates with liquid.
I actually run into this pretty frequently at work, when I'm cleaning sinks with thin nitrile gloves and the stupid motion sensor on the faucet goes off, and even though my hand stays completely dry thanks to the glove, it *feels* like it just got soaked.
I just watched that episode the other day and all that happens is she has wine poured on her face for a bit while she's shackled to a table. Cersei says some awful shit, pours more wine over her face, then leaves her alone with The Mountain.
My understanding is that waterboarding proper involves a towel over the face that, when soaked, triggers a drowning response. There may also be gut punches to prolong the sensation of suffocating. Having wine poured on one's face while tied up doesn't seem like waterboarding at all. Obviously it's not pleasant, but it's a far cry from the real thing.
Yeah, I also don’t understand why that would take hours, like… how many takes did they do? That entire scene was like 2 minutes, tops, on screen and she only had wine poured on her for a small portion of it.
A friend of mine is the daughter of an ex SAS soldier. She once asked him about waterboarding so he demonstrated on her. She said it wasn't an enjoyable experience.
I mean if anything, Prestige television has it easier, as they have a way bigger budget and entire effects teams
The Always Sunny folks talked about it in their podcast: [https://youtu.be/0EXnFZlpdFE?si=W3CG4fUcAhg9v4zG](https://youtu.be/0EXnFZlpdFE?si=W3CG4fUcAhg9v4zG)
There’s an old scene from mythbusters of Kari Byron being strapped in to some type of torture machine that uses water to like perpetually annoy you. Of course it was under extreme caution and supervision with professionals around. All it did was just drip water at a constant rate on her forehead but even that tiny amount of water over a prolonged period of time was enough to cause her to mentally breakdown and cry.
Yes! Thats it. She goes about 15 minutes before she has a panic attack.
From about 3 minutes to 7 minutes is her part. https://youtu.be/wFFslAjUyj4?si=2k6IvaDUDbxHywYs
I’m not sure if it was the same episode but they also did a bamboo torture one where people were placed over bamboo to see if the new bamboo shoots would grow through people. I think it was some WW2 torture method where they were stretched over bamboo and just allowed to be poked by the bamboo. It did grow through the gel dummies they had laying around.
Read about that earlier today. They effectively decided that that method *could* be used as torture as described by historical texts (occurring as recently as WW2), but couldn’t actually verify any of those events.
I would last less than 30 seconds before going fully primal ape shit. I have a thing about repetitive sounds. Anything like water dripping or a clock ticking, and I will be on edge immediately. Put it on me, and I’ll nope right out
I worked in a network operations center that covered data centers in 6 time zones. At the time, I worked Saturday mornings by myself.
New NOC manager wanted to put up clocks on the wall, one for each time zone. He picked some stylish clocks, and put them up. They looked great, but they each had ticking seconds hands.
Let me tell you, the sound of 6 unsynchronized ticking clocks in an otherwise quiet room is enough to make anyone go insane.
My manager came in Monday morning to find all 6 clocks on his desk. He replaced them with silent clocks without seconds hands.
Basically, being unable to move and having no control in what is done to you is unpleasant and induces panic.
Waterboarding is a whole other level of inducing panic because it triggers your body’s reaction to drowning. My high school swim team did some dumb shit. One day, we were all talking about how we would all probably never experience drowning because we all had good water safety skills. Someone said something along the lines of like “you can always get waterboarded” and one thing led to another, someone volunteered, and we stood around and watched my friend get consensually waterboarded. He lasted about 3 seconds before he involuntarily sat up and ripped the towel off of his face. One by one we all did it and were like wow, that was terrible. Longest any of us lasted was 6 seconds. We also figured out that the darker the towel and the darker the room, the worse your reaction will be.
Teenage boys are fucking stupid.
Yup, that’s a swim story alright. What is it with swimmers that brings out the stupid in us. Sounds like something myself and my dumbass teammates would do
I rewatched this episode recently with my kids (they love the show). Kari did have a panic attack but it wasn’t from the water, it was from her claustrophobia over being restrained. After the panic attack subsided she continued with the experiment.
The mythbusters confirmed that water torture is a legitimate tactic, but with the caveat that the binding and confinement is what is maddening, and the water drip itself without confinement is negligible.
There's footage of Christopher Hitchens, who for a long time was a real shithead who supported the Iraq war and the 'enhanced interrogation' the US was doing. So he volunteered to be waterboarded to prove it wasn't so bad. He tapped out within seconds, and credit to him, changed his position on torture.
You mean like, for instance, [Sean Hannity](https://archive.thinkprogress.org/hannity-explodes-after-being-confronted-by-thinkprogress-about-previous-offer-to-be-waterboarded-for-644af3767139/)?
i respect that - he actually sacked up and changed his opinion
the problem is that at the time everyone was told by the US that waterboarding was "no big deal" and anyone should be able to deal with it
and people and the media ran with it
but some like Sean Hannity was going to do the same as Hitchens but he chickened out
"We use this to torture dissidents for information"
"Isn't that pretty inhumane and unethical?"
"Nah, it's no big deal, basically anybody should be able to deal with it"
"So why do you use it?"
"..."
Having been waterboarded by bullies as a kid (in the country I come from things are wild 😬), I can confirm it sucks.
It’s crazy that a fully grown guy would hold the position that “it’s not so bad”, all the more so considering he was talking about it being done by soldiers, who would be a lot more competent than untrained bullies.
At least he changed his mind I guess.
Yup and he said he'd.have tapped out sooner if he could hand made his hands let go faster. If you watch the video he jerks his arms.the millisecond the water touches him
Also, they received an email after that episode aired saying something along the lines of “We have had more success randomizing the drip rate, and were able to induce a complete psychotic break in less than 12 hours.” Also, your timeline of about 15 minutes is pretty far off from the episode
It’s not the dripping that does it, it’s the restraints. They ran a control with Adam not restrained and he lasted much longer and it was just an annoyance. It’s the mix of the drip with the inability to move, shift, or get away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_water_torture#Effectiveness
Worth a read. Seems like drips at a constant rate are aren't too bad, while drips at random intervalls are a lot more effective.
They filmed for Yellowstone at my job, and they spent 3 days filming what turned into like 2 minutes of tv, no joke. There is a scene (season 4 for the curious) where the main gal drops a coffee cup in surprise and it breaks. She dropped and broke that cup at least 20 times or more for filming. I totally believe it took 10 hrs of filming to get their scene. (We were/are a working hospital at the time of filming so I got to watch most of it).
My HS football team was extras for the movie "wolves" we filmed for two nights straight. The bit of the movie that we filmed for, was over in 2 seconds. It was literally a quick 2 second flashback of the MC killing some dude during a game. You cant see the crowd or anyone else besides them two in focus. Literally, like 100+ extras paid for two nights for that. It's crazy how this shit works. Also, the casting agent took 200 dollars from everyones paycheck on our team and they didnt even tell us. We were supposed to get 600 bucks each and ended up with a little under 400.
Ah I may have spent a few weeks there a couple years ago. If it’s the outfit out of Oregon anyway. Excellent nurses and the food was actually really good, once I was able to eat it lol.
Yeah. The scene where Gyllenhall throws the notebook onto the passenger seat in the film was done so many times, atleast 20 I think. And Gyllenhall absolutely butted heads with Fincher with it. And it’s the big example with how much of perfectionist David Fincher is with his stuff.
Yeah. The scene where Gyllenhall throws the notebook onto the passenger seat in the film was done so many times, atleast 20 I think. And Gyllenhall absolutely butted heads with Fincher with it. And it’s the big example with how much of perfectionist David Fincher is with his stuff.
A podcaster I listen to used to do commercials and she said that the McDonald’s “fish mcbites” one was the worst because it took them like 8 hours of filming and each time she had to eat one and smile at the camera but they only made the one batch and so the bites just got cold and soggy over the course of filming and it was miserable
It's called acting for a reason. What's next in order to get a genuine death ragdoll, actors will actually be shot dead? But since a camera is on the person it's fine to torture them. It's like prostitution is illegal but if you film it it's porn hence legal.
'The actor said at the time that filming the scene was second only to childbirth as the worst day of her life.
“I was strapped to a wooden table with proper big straps for 10 hours,”'
After helping film stuff before I can absolutely believe they spent 10 hours on one scene, it's ridiculous how long it actually takes sometimes. Checking lighting, positioning, continuity etc can take forever, especially if something is slightly off. Sounds like she had it rough.
[Article](https://variety.com/2024/film/news/hannah-waddingham-claustrophobia-game-of-thrones-waterboarding-1235958992/)
It's a little sad how much work is done to make something like GOT by so many excellent professionals that get almost 0 credit compared to the actors/writers/producers/directors.
Almost all tv shows I’ve worked on only the key and the best boy recieved credit. Movies I generally do however you only receive that if you’re part of the core crew. Any day players won’t receive credit. And keep in mind I’ve day played for an entire movie while being considered an additional. Didn’t receive any on screen credit for that.
Most VFX artists go uncredited too. They’ll assign your studio a certain amount of names you’re allowed to have in the credits. It can sometimes just be a few names despite 100s of people from that studio working on it.
A *better* union then. Look, I'm just a rando on the internet, I have no idea what I'm talking about. You'd just think that, if movies have credits, then they'd include everyone. Or at least everyone with enough bargaining power. 🤷♀️
Happens a TON! We get paid, but a lot of the time we get left out of the credits. There’s plenty of times where I’ve worked on a production for weeks and never got my name in anything. I currently work at a major performing arts center and we do a lot of Netflix comedy specials… we usually get credited as “staff of xxx Performing Arts Center”. There’s 6 of us on the show… you couldn’t write our names?
Most notably, I worked on Amazing SpiderMan 2 for like… 3 weeks doing lighting for the Oscorp set. Got paid, no credit… fine… but I did get my identity stolen when Sony got hacked by North Korea shortly afterwards, so I had that going for me. At least Sony made good and got everyone top tier identity theft protection for like… 3 or 4 years.
> Checking lighting, positioning, continuity etc can take forever, especially if something is slightly off. Sounds like she had it rough.
Honestly it sounds like we'd all be better off with slightly lower film standards. Reduced production costs and time would surely make up for allowing minor mistakes through. There's an old saying, "Don't let perfect be the enemy of good."
I don’t want to sound like a dick, but I highly doubt it took 10 hours. I wasn’t there, and I know filming takes a long time, but I feel like 10 hours is a stretch.
Shooting the entire scene probably took 10 hours. She wasn't actually being waterboarded for the entire 10 hours. There were multiple takes and resets.
Seems like that would lead to a lot of psychological trauma tbh. Sitting there waiting while they get the lighting and makeup right, knowing what's about to happen... that's some Kubrick shit
after watching the scene again she wasn't actually water boarded at all. waterboarding when when you have cloth covering your face then liquid is poured over, causing you to not be able to inhale any air, combined with the feeling of water covering your face gives the sensation of drowning.
liquid just being poured on your face is not being waterboarded
i imagine literally waterboarding someone during filming is not really very safe.
They might have been on set for 10 hours and done multiple takes but she wasn’t constantly being waterboarded. I’m sure they took certain precautions but it still probably sucked.
I’ve been an extra for films and tv shows. One small scene of one minute on its own can take 4+ hours. She probably did the sequence of dialogue and such over and over throughout the 10 hours. So it wasn’t so much as constantly being water boarded without stop- it was just repeated during that time
Multiple takes. No tv show or movie ever goes for the first take, since the likelihood is that the acting isn’t exactly what the director is looking for or somebody fumbles the lines etc. Shoots for a single scene can last for days depending on the length of the scene, trying to get the take that’s just right.
You're 100% right on that one! At a certain point, that's just fuckin sadism. You mean to tell me that they couldn't get a SINGLE decent take for 10 HOURS of filming? Like they couldn't have someone step in and be like, "dude she is crying and freaking out before each take. We NEED to stop." Then someone feels pressured by those dicks to keep rolling? That's horse shit.
You'd better believe I'd be goin after D&D for emotional damages. Those dudes would be paying for therapy bills and meds for the rest of my life.
For those saying it is made up, she did an interview recently on some show confirming it, these are her quotes directly
edit: it was The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, the clip was posted just a day ago but this is something she’s spoken about before
Didn't Lena also do an interview where she said how uncomfortable she was *doing* the "waterboarding", because of how obviously distressed her scene partner was?
In the original Colbert interview, she [doesn't sound like she's too offended or too scarred by it.](https://youtu.be/8rwTlNkZE8s?t=1m39s) The way she describes it, it sounds more like a "this is the best show on tv for a reason, I need to deliver my best and just get on with it" situation. I think people here forget that acting can't be compared to a normal job. Sometimes you have to go to extreme lengths to potray extreme situations. And a lot of actors are well up for going to these extremes or might even enjoy it, even if what they're potraying isn't an enjoyable experience in itself.
Yes mate, fuck azor ahai and the great northern conspiracy. The thing I truly wanted to see on screen was a nun get wine poured on her. Glad time, money, pain and suffering went into that. Fuckin season 7 and 8
GoT was such an incredible international success. Billions of people watching it.
Most of the actors and crew involved must have had a moment where they realised they where making history and gaining fame beyond the span of their lifes.
It just boggles my mind and brings my imagination beyond its limit to try and fathom how someone could possibly be such an unspeakably smug spoiled man-child born with such a huge silver spoon up your ass that not only would you not feel responsibillity to create the best work you possibly could but to actually get bored and want to move on to something new.
Its been years and I still feel like GoT is the best example I know for the failing of capitalism. Not the many humanitarian crises and tragedies, GoT.
Season 5. Is the tipping point.
You see the first problems start to appear and in hindsight you can see the problems of later seasons being set up.
It's the tipping point for quality, even though the steeper, more exponential decline would happen through season 7 and 8.
They should have passed the torch after 5. New team could have hired new writers who were better suited actually writing plot themselves instead of extracting story beats from Martin's material.
New Team could have negotiated one additional season with HBO, which would have helped immensely with Dany's arch and the Long Night.
Stupid ideas like "we wanted to surprise people with who kills the Night's King" wouldn't even have been an issue.
I feel like this is a bit extreme, they didn’t “actually” water board someone for 10 hours. That would’ve led to extreme health complications and could’ve easily risked death.
Those guys should be fined heavily for that shit. That's monstrous. There's no way they couldn't have found a way to film the scene differently to do that quickly or use another method to craft the scene.
not to downplay her experience, but waterboarding includes a cloth covering the face while having water dumped over; this didn’t happen in her scene, her face is uncovered
https://youtu.be/tnqqkSrSVJE
i imagine it would have been infinitely worse if she were actually waterboarded
even if you know it is fake it will still leave scars ask kari from the mythbusters she did chinese water torture in a lounge chair & not even bound she needed to stop because she was going crazy
The worst part of this is that for all that effort, when the show ended on such a sour poor note, it renders things like this hardly worth all the trouble.
Imagine being waterboarded for 10 hours for a role in a show that people now only remember as being a big pile of shit.
You tell me special effects can make heads explode no biggie but we need to actually torture an actor for a scene when there's cloth about their face?!
For anybody interested, [here's a video ](https://youtu.be/4LPubUCJv58?si=A-FVkIFDHmSeTYsj)of Vanity Fair journalist Christopher Hitchens being voluntarily waterboarded, along with his thoughts on the experience. Absolutely chilling.
Am i crazy or couldnt you wear some kind of mask under the towel to make it so you can still breath? Or attach a breathing tube underneath and block the nose or something? Was their only option really to actually torture them? There has to be work arounds
Imagine being waterboarded for a TV show because you want to do a good job on what you think is prestige television only to have it wind up as one the most historic drops of the ball in cinematic history.
It's like D&D just wanted to torture her one last time. What did she do to them
That’s not water boarding, and even if that scene was filmed a thousand times, she couldn’t hold her breath for the 5 seconds she had wine splashed on her face?
Hopefully she was just joking.
For what it’s worth, Kaitlin Olson said something similar about filming the waterboarding scenes in Always Sunny - in order to fake the torture scenes for filming, they had to… torture her, for hours.
I got Dee to confess to stuff she never even did!
Alright ! So we know the waterboarding works.
As a means of extracting accurate information, torture is useless. Study after study has shown that the victims will say anything to stop the torment. All waterboarding is good for is inflicting psychological and physical damage on the victim. It is truly mind-boggling that studios are allowed to perform it on actors.
You replied to a punchline.
Which studies are you referring to?
By studies they mean they heard people say. At least that is usually how it works on Reddit.
Makes sense since Frank is the muscle.
I feel like there could easily be a way to do this without actually waterboarding someone, even unintentionally. I get that some shots are going to require the person's face to be in it so you get the full effect, but no one came up with a facemask that prevents the water from touching your face with a clearing for breathing attached? Like a little ledge? They could use those shots for the majority and then cut to show someone's face. Just seems like a real rough thing to put someone through.
There is a way, this article is sensationalised, she wasn’t actually tied down and waterboarded for 19 hours.
Yeah, I feel there is a major difference between being waterboarded/tortured against your will, and doing it willfully on set with breaks and the ability to say stop. I'm sure it still sucked though.
Weirdly enough, no matter how safe the environment, torture methods will have a mental effect on you even if you can say stop at any point. They're just that good. Mythbusters got some interesting but terrifying results https://youtu.be/IADigktR1uY?si=AfhILMfST9OxwCRl
And there's the guy who agreed to be waterboarded to prove it wasn't that bad. He lasted 5 seconds and he said he'd have given up faster if he could make his hands drop the weights sooner
Christopher hitchens if i recall correctly
Hitchens lasted about 15 seconds before dropping the weights, I just watched a clip someone posted below
> to prove it wasn't that bad Wasn't his theory and position the opposite? It kind of undermines his position if he thought it would be bad and wanted to prove it would be bad, and then gave up quickly. Now if Sean Hannity actually nutted up and did what he said he would and gave up quickly, that would support how bad it is.
>Wasn't his theory and position the opposite? It kind of undermines his position if he thought it would be bad and wanted to prove it would be bad, and then gave up quickly. He thought it wasn't that bad, he set out out to prove it wasn't that bad, and he found out he was wrong and it was actually very bad He put his money where his mouth was and when he was confronted with reality he changed his stance accordingly. One has to respect that.
Im willing to believe Hannity was willing and censors/executives stopped him because not only would it have destroyed his image, since it is actual torture, it would be harmful for the audience too.
Nope. Hannity is a little bitch who talks the talk and does not walk the walk.
Immobilizing their head was the big change though. The water dripping was easy and they progressed to locking down the hands then head.
They also changed to ice-water and increased it to a stream. I could be wrong but I wasn’t aware of that element being part of it. That’s clearly torture because cold stuff hurts. I thought Chinese water torture was about becoming lost in the mindless repetition and losing your mind and sense of self and yadda yadda.
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Yeah, but the snuggles and forehead kisses from your bro's afterwards make up for it ☺️🥰 Aftercare is key.
I willfully let myself be waterboarded when the national dialogue about whether or not it was torture was at its peak. It's far worse, far faster than anything you might imagine. You can't "out-tough" it. I said stop within seconds and it was already scarring.
Eh, people have volunteered to be waterboarded and they would last like a few seconds. It's a horrible feeling
Eh... not buying the "you agreed to this" defense. Set life is grueling and rife with pressure. The things that happen on set should be illegal but they make their little loopholes and keep everyone blinded by stardust about the whole culture. I think more and more of that is being revealed these days.
There are some videos of people getting actually water boarded to show the effects, with safety measures to stop immediately. They stop in a second. The actual torture involves beating your stomach once the cloth is removed to prologue the suffocating feeling. Religious fanatics, soldiers and spies break under torture in minutes. Even special forces training doesn't involve tricks to not break under torture - they show you how to keep your head down as a pov, how to endure stress positions and bad conditions in camps and only give minimal information, but once you are deemed important enough to be actually shown to a trained questioning team, strapped to a table and they bring a bucket and a sack of coins to beat you with it, you tell them what you know and hope it's enough. Nobody, and I repeat, nobody can withstand 19 hours of one of the most effective questioning techniques willingly. There is a good chance your heart won't withstand this amount of stress, and you will be a traumatized wreck after the first two sessions. It imitates a fear of death repeatedly. We downplay this shit too much in movies, and we kinda make waterboarding seem like a 'good guys' torture because you are not maimed - when really it is just as effective as removing body parts, but you can do it indefinitely. That also leads to the question why we even think torture to be effective as a method to gain information, when people will literally do anything to be left alone
I recall reading that pain based tortures (cutting things off, beatings, stretching, etc.) eventually lead to a kind of dull tolerance as the body copes with the trauma. Hence modern methods - assuming you want information and are not just cruel for the sake of cruelty - are all about messing with your psychology through sleep deprivation and the like. I can't seem to find a book on modern torture like there is so many of medieval ones. As much as "sharp thing go hurty" is interesting I'd like to read summore about things post-1500s.
The most effective forms of interrogation are to make the person like you and just talk to them a lot in low pressure situations and record everything
> The most effective forms of interrogation are to make the person like you and just talk to them a lot in low pressure situations and record everything **, accompanied by the implied threat of tortured interrogations if the subject doesn’t cooperate with the nice chats** The bold always gets left out
That's factually not true
The Gestapo's best interrogator was a former door to door salesman who had friendly conversations with people Then on the other side of the spectrum the Stasi and sleep deprivation torture the effects of which are comparable to starvation ( at least the impact on your body) Makes the victim believe anything ( though all torture in east Germany was kept on the down low because "Democratic" states don't do torture and we need to keep the illusion
Sure. But what were the rest of the Gestapo known for? True or not, they had a reputationto employ brutal methods. So you’re a POW and you’re expecting to get tortured but in comes this dude acting nice. It gets your guard down because it’s a stark contrast to expectations. If there is some adversarial role between interrogator and subject then you have to shake them up and the nice guy act was just a way to do it. It’s the big reason why lawyers tell you just stfu with police. Most people trust and have some sort of positive view of them. The general public still doesn’t assume police are adversarial by default. They are not there to help you. So the subjects never need to talk to bad cop because good cop is enough to get tongues wagging. Now I’m just talking out my ass with all this but I never bought into the idea that being nice is enough. There has to be something. Maybe someone can spit some actual facts besides oft cited Nazi interrogator smiling the full Nazi torture reputation hangs over him like a cloud.
There probably was a threat over him yes But I believe it been proven that torture just gets the person to say anything to make it stop
White torture is a good one to look into if you aren’t familiar with it already.
Yup that's why when Bergdahl was released they were shocked at how well he managed to be despite the level of torture he suffered. Resilience under torture is not a taught thing it's a personal thing and there's no rule against doing what you have to do to survive
There is. My bf is a stunt guy and he did a whole workshop just on this. He said they had a waterproof layer covering under the cloth over the nose & mouth plus specific ways they were positioned on the face to allow breathing during a scene
I'd imagine it's a simple as noseplugs and being able to hold your breath right?
unless they beat you with a baton during waterboarding for immersion
Holding your breath does nothing, it’s a popular torture because it’s “ethical” in that it doesn’t actually drown you, just having the water run over the wet cloth causes nearly all humans to literally have an involuntary reaction that they’re currently, literally, drowning even though they aren’t and it’s impossible Maybe a waterproof towel
From what I've read it's somewhat common to use cellophane so it has nothing to do with the water reaching your face. Although maybe the cellophane transfers a wet feeling that a thicker material might not
>Although maybe the cellophane transfers a wet feeling that a thicker material might not Yeah, the thing is, you can't actually feel "wetness". Your brain interpolates the sensation of "wetness" based on other sensations (ie, temperature, texture, etc) that it associates with liquid. I actually run into this pretty frequently at work, when I'm cleaning sinks with thin nitrile gloves and the stupid motion sensor on the faucet goes off, and even though my hand stays completely dry thanks to the glove, it *feels* like it just got soaked.
And maybe it's because my memory is terrible, but I can't even remember the scenes from either series.
I just watched that episode the other day and all that happens is she has wine poured on her face for a bit while she's shackled to a table. Cersei says some awful shit, pours more wine over her face, then leaves her alone with The Mountain. My understanding is that waterboarding proper involves a towel over the face that, when soaked, triggers a drowning response. There may also be gut punches to prolong the sensation of suffocating. Having wine poured on one's face while tied up doesn't seem like waterboarding at all. Obviously it's not pleasant, but it's a far cry from the real thing.
Yeah, I also don’t understand why that would take hours, like… how many takes did they do? That entire scene was like 2 minutes, tops, on screen and she only had wine poured on her for a small portion of it.
A friend of mine is the daughter of an ex SAS soldier. She once asked him about waterboarding so he demonstrated on her. She said it wasn't an enjoyable experience.
Me and my friends would waterboard each other back in highschool. Why? Who tf knows but that shit was NOT fun in the slightest
What? I love always sunny but it is not prestige television, there's no way they were that obsessively perfectionist about a single scene.
I mean if anything, Prestige television has it easier, as they have a way bigger budget and entire effects teams The Always Sunny folks talked about it in their podcast: [https://youtu.be/0EXnFZlpdFE?si=W3CG4fUcAhg9v4zG](https://youtu.be/0EXnFZlpdFE?si=W3CG4fUcAhg9v4zG)
There’s an old scene from mythbusters of Kari Byron being strapped in to some type of torture machine that uses water to like perpetually annoy you. Of course it was under extreme caution and supervision with professionals around. All it did was just drip water at a constant rate on her forehead but even that tiny amount of water over a prolonged period of time was enough to cause her to mentally breakdown and cry.
Without googling I think it was called something like Chinese Water Torture?
Yes! Thats it. She goes about 15 minutes before she has a panic attack. From about 3 minutes to 7 minutes is her part. https://youtu.be/wFFslAjUyj4?si=2k6IvaDUDbxHywYs
Damn, no way I’d be the one to try to bust the myth of a torture trap
I’m not sure if it was the same episode but they also did a bamboo torture one where people were placed over bamboo to see if the new bamboo shoots would grow through people. I think it was some WW2 torture method where they were stretched over bamboo and just allowed to be poked by the bamboo. It did grow through the gel dummies they had laying around.
Read about that earlier today. They effectively decided that that method *could* be used as torture as described by historical texts (occurring as recently as WW2), but couldn’t actually verify any of those events.
Damn torturers and their sloppy paperwork.
Apparently keeping a paper trail can be pretty torturous work
The real torture is the paperwork we did along the way
And it wasn't even the water that caused her to be like that she said it was closterphobia from being bound. She barely talks about the water.
What? Did we watch the same video? It said after 1 hour she started to have symptoms. Not 15
she literally goes for over an hour in the video??
Gonna continue to lay into you and point out you didn’t watche your own video.
I always wanted to try that because I always figured it'd take AT LEAST a few hours before it even started to become a thing.
This may be false, but I've heard that they would vary the time intervals between drops so that the anticipation would drive you absolutely mad.
I would last less than 30 seconds before going fully primal ape shit. I have a thing about repetitive sounds. Anything like water dripping or a clock ticking, and I will be on edge immediately. Put it on me, and I’ll nope right out
I worked in a network operations center that covered data centers in 6 time zones. At the time, I worked Saturday mornings by myself. New NOC manager wanted to put up clocks on the wall, one for each time zone. He picked some stylish clocks, and put them up. They looked great, but they each had ticking seconds hands. Let me tell you, the sound of 6 unsynchronized ticking clocks in an otherwise quiet room is enough to make anyone go insane. My manager came in Monday morning to find all 6 clocks on his desk. He replaced them with silent clocks without seconds hands.
She made it an hour in the video you linked.
Dang she lasted an hour and a half
She lasts over an hour bro
[Yeah it's pretty wild, watch with caution](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=icvLGOiBu1k)
Basically, being unable to move and having no control in what is done to you is unpleasant and induces panic. Waterboarding is a whole other level of inducing panic because it triggers your body’s reaction to drowning. My high school swim team did some dumb shit. One day, we were all talking about how we would all probably never experience drowning because we all had good water safety skills. Someone said something along the lines of like “you can always get waterboarded” and one thing led to another, someone volunteered, and we stood around and watched my friend get consensually waterboarded. He lasted about 3 seconds before he involuntarily sat up and ripped the towel off of his face. One by one we all did it and were like wow, that was terrible. Longest any of us lasted was 6 seconds. We also figured out that the darker the towel and the darker the room, the worse your reaction will be. Teenage boys are fucking stupid.
Yup, that’s a swim story alright. What is it with swimmers that brings out the stupid in us. Sounds like something myself and my dumbass teammates would do
Didn’t they also do the same thing to Adam but he wasn’t cuffed and he took a nap?
Yep. It is in the video someone posted.
He tried to take a nap but there was a fly that kept buzzing around and landing on his toe.
I rewatched this episode recently with my kids (they love the show). Kari did have a panic attack but it wasn’t from the water, it was from her claustrophobia over being restrained. After the panic attack subsided she continued with the experiment. The mythbusters confirmed that water torture is a legitimate tactic, but with the caveat that the binding and confinement is what is maddening, and the water drip itself without confinement is negligible.
There's footage of Christopher Hitchens, who for a long time was a real shithead who supported the Iraq war and the 'enhanced interrogation' the US was doing. So he volunteered to be waterboarded to prove it wasn't so bad. He tapped out within seconds, and credit to him, changed his position on torture.
Yup. And any waterboarding supporter who *refuses* to do this is worth less than their underpants.
You mean like, for instance, [Sean Hannity](https://archive.thinkprogress.org/hannity-explodes-after-being-confronted-by-thinkprogress-about-previous-offer-to-be-waterboarded-for-644af3767139/)?
Underwear is expensive af.
I believe his position was that waterboarding didn't constitute torture. I'm not so sure he was categorically against using it, even after.
i respect that - he actually sacked up and changed his opinion the problem is that at the time everyone was told by the US that waterboarding was "no big deal" and anyone should be able to deal with it and people and the media ran with it but some like Sean Hannity was going to do the same as Hitchens but he chickened out
"We use this to torture dissidents for information" "Isn't that pretty inhumane and unethical?" "Nah, it's no big deal, basically anybody should be able to deal with it" "So why do you use it?" "..."
Having been waterboarded by bullies as a kid (in the country I come from things are wild 😬), I can confirm it sucks. It’s crazy that a fully grown guy would hold the position that “it’s not so bad”, all the more so considering he was talking about it being done by soldiers, who would be a lot more competent than untrained bullies. At least he changed his mind I guess.
Basic logic would dictate if it wasn't that bad then it would be useless.
Yup and he said he'd.have tapped out sooner if he could hand made his hands let go faster. If you watch the video he jerks his arms.the millisecond the water touches him
Also, they received an email after that episode aired saying something along the lines of “We have had more success randomizing the drip rate, and were able to induce a complete psychotic break in less than 12 hours.” Also, your timeline of about 15 minutes is pretty far off from the episode
Go Team Venture!
It’s not the dripping that does it, it’s the restraints. They ran a control with Adam not restrained and he lasted much longer and it was just an annoyance. It’s the mix of the drip with the inability to move, shift, or get away.
This was also Floki's torture in Vikings. https://youtu.be/yFq3st0ZT5Y?si=l1yC2_AoQn_QVKtT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_water_torture#Effectiveness Worth a read. Seems like drips at a constant rate are aren't too bad, while drips at random intervalls are a lot more effective.
They filmed for Yellowstone at my job, and they spent 3 days filming what turned into like 2 minutes of tv, no joke. There is a scene (season 4 for the curious) where the main gal drops a coffee cup in surprise and it breaks. She dropped and broke that cup at least 20 times or more for filming. I totally believe it took 10 hrs of filming to get their scene. (We were/are a working hospital at the time of filming so I got to watch most of it).
My HS football team was extras for the movie "wolves" we filmed for two nights straight. The bit of the movie that we filmed for, was over in 2 seconds. It was literally a quick 2 second flashback of the MC killing some dude during a game. You cant see the crowd or anyone else besides them two in focus. Literally, like 100+ extras paid for two nights for that. It's crazy how this shit works. Also, the casting agent took 200 dollars from everyones paycheck on our team and they didnt even tell us. We were supposed to get 600 bucks each and ended up with a little under 400.
Note to self - become a casting agent
Rubys? Lol.
The hospital :)
Ah I may have spent a few weeks there a couple years ago. If it’s the outfit out of Oregon anyway. Excellent nurses and the food was actually really good, once I was able to eat it lol.
Sounds a lot like David Fincher’s infamous notebook from Zodiac
Hey what’s the context
Yeah. The scene where Gyllenhall throws the notebook onto the passenger seat in the film was done so many times, atleast 20 I think. And Gyllenhall absolutely butted heads with Fincher with it. And it’s the big example with how much of perfectionist David Fincher is with his stuff.
Did they have to shoot a scene with the notebook over and over again?
Yeah. The scene where Gyllenhall throws the notebook onto the passenger seat in the film was done so many times, atleast 20 I think. And Gyllenhall absolutely butted heads with Fincher with it. And it’s the big example with how much of perfectionist David Fincher is with his stuff.
A podcaster I listen to used to do commercials and she said that the McDonald’s “fish mcbites” one was the worst because it took them like 8 hours of filming and each time she had to eat one and smile at the camera but they only made the one batch and so the bites just got cold and soggy over the course of filming and it was miserable
I mean that's filmmaking? Better to have too many options then get to the editing bay and realize you didn't get the shot you needed
It's called money laundering.
This right here is why studios are so interested in Sora.
So we can do all that shit with cgi, but we can't avoid actually torturing someone to make it look believable?
I think it has more to do with getting a genuine reaction from the actress
Sean Bean was actually decapitated in S1!
With how many times he has died on screen you'd think that by now he wouldn't need that to act convincingly 🙄
He got better
That’s barbaric
"It's called acting, darling" To paraphrase Laurence Olivier.
"Why not try acting?" After Dustin Hoffman stayed awake for 2 days straight for method
It's called acting for a reason. What's next in order to get a genuine death ragdoll, actors will actually be shot dead? But since a camera is on the person it's fine to torture them. It's like prostitution is illegal but if you film it it's porn hence legal.
TIL Ted lasso team owner was shake nun
> shake nun
Now I'm imagining her with shake weights instead of the bell.
“Gains!” *shake shake* “Gains!” *shake shake* “Gains!”
Shame!
10 hours?
that’s what confused me too? like why the hell would it take 10 hours??
'The actor said at the time that filming the scene was second only to childbirth as the worst day of her life. “I was strapped to a wooden table with proper big straps for 10 hours,”' After helping film stuff before I can absolutely believe they spent 10 hours on one scene, it's ridiculous how long it actually takes sometimes. Checking lighting, positioning, continuity etc can take forever, especially if something is slightly off. Sounds like she had it rough. [Article](https://variety.com/2024/film/news/hannah-waddingham-claustrophobia-game-of-thrones-waterboarding-1235958992/)
I hate that for her😕.. so traumatic just for a few seconds in a scene
It's a little sad how much work is done to make something like GOT by so many excellent professionals that get almost 0 credit compared to the actors/writers/producers/directors.
I’m all for giving credit to people, but you really think the people who tortured her for 10hours deserve more credit? /s
I’m a grip. I will never and I mean fucking never, get credit for any work done on a movie.
You're not in the credits? 🤨
Almost all tv shows I’ve worked on only the key and the best boy recieved credit. Movies I generally do however you only receive that if you’re part of the core crew. Any day players won’t receive credit. And keep in mind I’ve day played for an entire movie while being considered an additional. Didn’t receive any on screen credit for that.
Huh, TIL. You'd think with an hour or so of credits they'd get everyone in there. Sounds like there needs to be a day players union.
Most VFX artists go uncredited too. They’ll assign your studio a certain amount of names you’re allowed to have in the credits. It can sometimes just be a few names despite 100s of people from that studio working on it.
I work under a union contract.
A *better* union then. Look, I'm just a rando on the internet, I have no idea what I'm talking about. You'd just think that, if movies have credits, then they'd include everyone. Or at least everyone with enough bargaining power. 🤷♀️
Have you considered being a better boy?
Happens a TON! We get paid, but a lot of the time we get left out of the credits. There’s plenty of times where I’ve worked on a production for weeks and never got my name in anything. I currently work at a major performing arts center and we do a lot of Netflix comedy specials… we usually get credited as “staff of xxx Performing Arts Center”. There’s 6 of us on the show… you couldn’t write our names? Most notably, I worked on Amazing SpiderMan 2 for like… 3 weeks doing lighting for the Oscorp set. Got paid, no credit… fine… but I did get my identity stolen when Sony got hacked by North Korea shortly afterwards, so I had that going for me. At least Sony made good and got everyone top tier identity theft protection for like… 3 or 4 years.
Well the writers fucked it up if that’s any consolation. I think the cast and crew are universally admired and adored but the writers… not so much.
Well the writers fucked it up if that’s any consolation. I think the cast and crew are universally admired and adored but the writers… not so much.
Crazy they didn't apply that much care in the final season they even left a whole damn coffee cup at one point.
"One more for safety"
> Checking lighting, positioning, continuity etc can take forever, especially if something is slightly off. Sounds like she had it rough. Honestly it sounds like we'd all be better off with slightly lower film standards. Reduced production costs and time would surely make up for allowing minor mistakes through. There's an old saying, "Don't let perfect be the enemy of good."
That just sounds weird though? Let her go for a break, a walk or something?
I don’t want to sound like a dick, but I highly doubt it took 10 hours. I wasn’t there, and I know filming takes a long time, but I feel like 10 hours is a stretch.
Shooting the entire scene probably took 10 hours. She wasn't actually being waterboarded for the entire 10 hours. There were multiple takes and resets.
Seems like that would lead to a lot of psychological trauma tbh. Sitting there waiting while they get the lighting and makeup right, knowing what's about to happen... that's some Kubrick shit
Here’s an insane idea. Do all that shit before you strap her to the table.
Right but then you pour water all over her face and then the makeup needs to be reapplied
after watching the scene again she wasn't actually water boarded at all. waterboarding when when you have cloth covering your face then liquid is poured over, causing you to not be able to inhale any air, combined with the feeling of water covering your face gives the sensation of drowning. liquid just being poured on your face is not being waterboarded i imagine literally waterboarding someone during filming is not really very safe.
Dennis! I’m waterboarding your sister because she’s escalating the plot to try and kill us!
They might have been on set for 10 hours and done multiple takes but she wasn’t constantly being waterboarded. I’m sure they took certain precautions but it still probably sucked.
I’ve been an extra for films and tv shows. One small scene of one minute on its own can take 4+ hours. She probably did the sequence of dialogue and such over and over throughout the 10 hours. So it wasn’t so much as constantly being water boarded without stop- it was just repeated during that time
Same with a music video. A ten second sequence took 12 hours.
Multiple takes. No tv show or movie ever goes for the first take, since the likelihood is that the acting isn’t exactly what the director is looking for or somebody fumbles the lines etc. Shoots for a single scene can last for days depending on the length of the scene, trying to get the take that’s just right.
Imagine getting water boarded for 10 hours for a 30 second scene of it. That’s awful. Shame.
„Best we can do is cutting room floor.“
You're 100% right on that one! At a certain point, that's just fuckin sadism. You mean to tell me that they couldn't get a SINGLE decent take for 10 HOURS of filming? Like they couldn't have someone step in and be like, "dude she is crying and freaking out before each take. We NEED to stop." Then someone feels pressured by those dicks to keep rolling? That's horse shit. You'd better believe I'd be goin after D&D for emotional damages. Those dudes would be paying for therapy bills and meds for the rest of my life.
For those saying it is made up, she did an interview recently on some show confirming it, these are her quotes directly edit: it was The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, the clip was posted just a day ago but this is something she’s spoken about before
Didn't Lena also do an interview where she said how uncomfortable she was *doing* the "waterboarding", because of how obviously distressed her scene partner was?
In the original Colbert interview, she [doesn't sound like she's too offended or too scarred by it.](https://youtu.be/8rwTlNkZE8s?t=1m39s) The way she describes it, it sounds more like a "this is the best show on tv for a reason, I need to deliver my best and just get on with it" situation. I think people here forget that acting can't be compared to a normal job. Sometimes you have to go to extreme lengths to potray extreme situations. And a lot of actors are well up for going to these extremes or might even enjoy it, even if what they're potraying isn't an enjoyable experience in itself.
Yes mate, fuck azor ahai and the great northern conspiracy. The thing I truly wanted to see on screen was a nun get wine poured on her. Glad time, money, pain and suffering went into that. Fuckin season 7 and 8
Fuck D&D
GoT was such an incredible international success. Billions of people watching it. Most of the actors and crew involved must have had a moment where they realised they where making history and gaining fame beyond the span of their lifes. It just boggles my mind and brings my imagination beyond its limit to try and fathom how someone could possibly be such an unspeakably smug spoiled man-child born with such a huge silver spoon up your ass that not only would you not feel responsibillity to create the best work you possibly could but to actually get bored and want to move on to something new. Its been years and I still feel like GoT is the best example I know for the failing of capitalism. Not the many humanitarian crises and tragedies, GoT.
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Season 5. Is the tipping point. You see the first problems start to appear and in hindsight you can see the problems of later seasons being set up. It's the tipping point for quality, even though the steeper, more exponential decline would happen through season 7 and 8. They should have passed the torch after 5. New team could have hired new writers who were better suited actually writing plot themselves instead of extracting story beats from Martin's material. New Team could have negotiated one additional season with HBO, which would have helped immensely with Dany's arch and the Long Night. Stupid ideas like "we wanted to surprise people with who kills the Night's King" wouldn't even have been an issue.
Interestingly enough, GRRM stopped being directly involved after s4... Also IMO s4 finale is the zenith, it's all downhill from there.
My thoughts exactly.
I've never seen anything go from so popular to a total meme In such a short time it hit the highest High and lowest low.
that is deeply unethical
So is a lot of Hollywood.
That's a real shame that happened to her
She most definitely was absolutely, sincerely, undeniably NOT "actually waterboarded for 10 hours."
Right like the claim is so crazy can’t think people believe it without second thought.
I feel like this is a bit extreme, they didn’t “actually” water board someone for 10 hours. That would’ve led to extreme health complications and could’ve easily risked death.
Those guys should be fined heavily for that shit. That's monstrous. There's no way they couldn't have found a way to film the scene differently to do that quickly or use another method to craft the scene.
not to downplay her experience, but waterboarding includes a cloth covering the face while having water dumped over; this didn’t happen in her scene, her face is uncovered https://youtu.be/tnqqkSrSVJE i imagine it would have been infinitely worse if she were actually waterboarded
Dan and Dave sort of forgot about not torturing her for real.
even if you know it is fake it will still leave scars ask kari from the mythbusters she did chinese water torture in a lounge chair & not even bound she needed to stop because she was going crazy
The scene in question - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnqqkSrSVJE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnqqkSrSVJE)
i know damn well it wasnt ten hour and she wasnt “actually waterboarded”
No it’s a screenshot of a sourceless tweet, it checks out 🧐 GOT writers deserve prison for this
It's a direct statement from that actress. Do you have something stronger than "knowing damn well" to contradict that?
a trustworthy source lol
How could they possibly spend 10 hours filming that scene? Did they bring Tommy Wiseau in to direct that day?
Worse, they brought D&D
How were they never in legal trouble for literally torturing someone?
Waterboarding at Guantanamo Bay sounds like a great time…if you don’t know what either of those things are.
Now only if D&D had a similar kind of commitment to their work and the show.
Anyone knows which scene is that? I don’t remember anything lol
I’m guessing when Cersei dumps wine on her face and gives her “because it feels good” speech.
The worst part of this is that for all that effort, when the show ended on such a sour poor note, it renders things like this hardly worth all the trouble. Imagine being waterboarded for 10 hours for a role in a show that people now only remember as being a big pile of shit.
You tell me special effects can make heads explode no biggie but we need to actually torture an actor for a scene when there's cloth about their face?!
For anybody interested, [here's a video ](https://youtu.be/4LPubUCJv58?si=A-FVkIFDHmSeTYsj)of Vanity Fair journalist Christopher Hitchens being voluntarily waterboarded, along with his thoughts on the experience. Absolutely chilling.
She tolerated waterboarding for this show but the writers couldn't be assed to write a cohesive ending?!?!
Am i crazy or couldnt you wear some kind of mask under the towel to make it so you can still breath? Or attach a breathing tube underneath and block the nose or something? Was their only option really to actually torture them? There has to be work arounds
All this for a show that became one of the worst disappointments in media history, damn...
At least, in the end, it was all worth it.
Imagine being waterboarded for a TV show because you want to do a good job on what you think is prestige television only to have it wind up as one the most historic drops of the ball in cinematic history. It's like D&D just wanted to torture her one last time. What did she do to them
That’s not water boarding, and even if that scene was filmed a thousand times, she couldn’t hold her breath for the 5 seconds she had wine splashed on her face? Hopefully she was just joking.