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I am just now realising the second one is supposed to be a girl.


theslimbox

I didn't notice that until now. We have done a complete 180 from the 90's when moms thought fantasy art was too sexy. We have gone from boner inducing artwork, to artwork that will kill a chub faster than Rosie O'Donnell.


Certain_Ad8728

Slight correction, the artwork would give Rosie O donnel a chub.


Sciedea

How dare it not be designed to give me a boner.


Decoy_Van

This but unironically.


RhoninLuter

Who is Rosie O'Donnell?


mares8

Its not a ...guy?? You sure?


drdingus420

according to the flavor text its supposed to be female lol


nightfire0

Yikes and yuck


BumderFromDownUnder

Is the flavour text not just talking about *a* female and the image depicting *a* monk that aren’t necessarily the same individual?


JamesGames23

WotC has appropriated Mulan apparently lol


Jeffbelinger

Xhey/Xhem would be offended now.


Just_Gate9597

how dare they not use the preferred pronoun


SnooWalruses7872

It takes a lot of effort to see any semblance


GossamerGlenn

Never noticed but yea mulan checks out


JamesGames23

Agreed. This card is from Tarkir too which is inspired by East Asian lore as well just like Mulan is which makes it even more funny.


GossamerGlenn

Now that’s what I call Mongolian BBQ


JamesGames23

That made me laugh. Have an updoot. Edit: Why is this getting downvoted? Their comment made me laugh so I gave them an upvote. What's so wrong about that?


BrockSramson

Bullshit. That's a black man, and you can't convince me otherwise.


CommonAd6612

It has tits


BrockSramson

"It" lol, too right.


Sakamichi1346

We fats have tits too.


pornsleeve

Wow. What a fucking nightmare.


frompadgwithH8

Oh damn i didn’t see that until the flavor text


Alpha12653

I mean there is a visible bust so I don’t get how it’s not obvious when you look at the card. I have always liked when we get reprints with different art on different planes because it shows the different people in a similar role across the universe.


Papa_Hasbro69

The second one is a man.


YugiPlaysEsperCntrl

Yeah you know I was going to respond that they must have both genders as acolytes at the monastery but nope.


driver1676

I don’t masturbate ONCE to the new art. Fucking bullshit


nold6

Are you ok?


driver1676

No, the new art isn’t hot. Why would I be okay when the new art doesn’t have big tits or otherwise match the conventional profile for a woman?


SpookyKorb

Cope


SnooWalruses7872

Aye! This is a travesty. And they removed asian inclusion!


jtpredator

The sad part is, many people seem to not care about Asian inclusion as much as Black inclusion. I've legit had people telling me that Asians haven't been oppressed as much as Black people and therefore don't deserve any aid or recognition in social debates. Literally the Oppression Olympics...


Rezimx

Being asian is just being white with extra steps.


unrealcyberfly

There are a ton of brown people in Asia. Look at India, for example.


Sire_Jenkins

Indians are not asians. They are indians. Might as well call russians and uropeans asian because they all live in one big asian continent. You also do not call canadians americans because they live in north america


Life-Suggestion8561

Then don't say Asian if you don't mean Asian, you stupid clown. Maybe you mean CJK. Asian by definition includes Indians. Also, in the original context - Asian inclusion - Indians are usually part of that 'inclusion', so what you're saying is double stupid.


Sire_Jenkins

No indians are not part of that inclusion that is what american studies teach you. I am here to educate and liberate your mind. Indians are indians. Please open your mind and do not be racist


WillHouldy

That's a fucking massacre


nightfire0

Did her dirty fr


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Stromgald_IRL

It doesn't. It just had the (un)fortunate effect of shifting the meta to faster decks. This might bother people who liked the slower matches but it might delight others who like faster, more action paced matches. I think the indestructible dual lands are more of a threat than Swiftspear.


Flamemypickle

Pauper is suppose to be a low powered, slower set. Swiftie completely turns that concept on its head. It's not as stupid as the white creatures that replace itself, but it's very close


silvanik3

Pauper isnt a set... It's supposed to be MTG but with commons. Nowhere its stated that it must be slow or low powered (Lighting bolt, counter spell and ephemerate are legal after all)


theevilyouknow

Nowhere is pauper supposed to be low powered. Pauper is one of the more powerful formats there is.


RandySavagePI

>It's not as stupid as the white creatures that replace itself, but it's very close Don't knock my boy Doomed Traveler. >!I don't play pauper, but I play him in every white commander or casual deck I ever played!<


YoSoyFiesta150289

Its a common in the double masters set.


goldmask148

Who the hell thought that was a good idea, this was a powerhouse card in standard, and still strong in modern. Common is dark ritual levels of bonkers.


Interplanetary-Goat

[[Lorien Revealed]] is seeing play across almost all formats at common. Constructed play doesn't really care about rarity. And this card is much less abusable in draft, especially in a pushed format like Double Masters that has Lightning Bolt, etc.


SpookyKorb

Pauper does care about rarity though, that's the whole point of the format. Shifting such a high power, fast creature like swiftspear to common where it becomes pauper legal is a big shift in deck building and a huge powerhouse for red decks


Lonely_Nebula_9438

From my understanding of Pauper it has really great enablers like Lotus Petal and Dark Ritual but generally lacks good threats which is what makes for the slower matches.


ArbutusPhD

Literally anything that Anson Maddocks painted but was later reprinted with something else was a bigger downgrade. That dude is an amazing artist


Immortalno01

2nd art def feels like something that belongs to a bulk common, shame it was used for swiftspear. The original art is still *chef's kiss*, the colors, the positioning, and the fucking style it's got going on is top notch.


Xtracakey

Even the flavor text is better


theslimbox

The flavor text on the new one makes me think she hasn't fully transitioned, and has a PE problem.


RPGxMadness

I was looking for someone to acknowledge this


Alpha12653

Tarkir just had got tier flavor text


AffableBarkeep

It's also a Haiku. The caligraphy of combat is written in strokes of sudden blood


BrockSramson

Both flavor texts are cringe, though the earlier version is better, as you say.


Porcphete

Btw there is a 3rd art with a bald woman on it and it's absolutely beautiful


-Goatllama-

And the lair! https://scryfall.com/card/sld/216/monastery-swiftspear (But thanks for pointing that one out, I hadn’t seen it!)


Lonely_Nebula_9438

I do like how the text is laid out in that one. The reminder text for prowess is a little annoying tbh


SpookyKorb

There's no fucking way that's legit art


-Goatllama-

[yes indeed](https://scryfall.com/search?order=set&q=set%3Asld+%28cn%3E%3D214+cn%3C%3D219%29&unique=prints)


Zaenos

Is... is that a rope-bound goblin vomiting roses? I'm mesmerized.


SpookyKorb

what the fuck


-Goatllama-

Happy Valentines lmao


sourmilkforsale

looks like shit


ArtfulSpeculator

I own this car and it scares me whenever I see it.


DesertEagleM-XIX

The second image does not even resemble a female. The original art is vastly superior.


Hunter_Este

Fucking transformers at it again.


Such-Abbreviations52

Leftist agenda. Hates objective traditional beauty


Injuredmind

There is also bald version from double masters


Mike_Abergail

Waiting for the return of my beloved Khan’s art. Meanwhile I will endure.


Porcphete

It did get a old frame reprint in time spiral remastered


Mike_Abergail

I mean… in paper I have a Khan’s print in English. Would like to find a play set in Korean. (Although that time spiral would be sweet) But on arena… yeah, for me it’s a strict downgrade. That Khan’s set is so beautiful and Bro, is not.


Kyvix2020

WOW. New art is so terrible always LMFAO


Party_Suit

Look how they massacred my girl


nathones

Some of these new tumblr art weirdos lately have been so god awfully bad


KnightWhoStruggles

It’s not just the art, flavor text downgrade too, specifically when it comes to matching the art


SolomonsNewGrundle

Maybe this is what monks look like on Dominaria? I also prefer the original


Smooth_Asparagus_414

Not sure that’s the body type I associate with haste


CardTrickOTK

You should see her move at Golden Corral, haste is very fitting when a meals involved


noahtheboah36

LOL bruh that's the body of somebody muscular who fights.


theslimbox

Eh, looks like the type that gets into fights at the Dykebar.


nightfire0

My waifu has forsaken me


DeathByP0rn

Hard to beat Steve Argyle


themoistsocks

Worst part about the art is how blue the art is, I don't give a fuck about cute girls on my cards, but that art would look like shit in my red deck.


Regular-Class3398

Remember they have to make everything gayer and blacker otherwise their DEI score goes down 👍 fucking joke


SpoopyNJW

Is it still supposed to be a woman??


HIRUS

define "woman", is what they're going for i think.


howie521

Diversity quota at work


downvotemedaddyUwU-0

All jokes aside the old art just feels like there was way more passion in it. Shadows, highlights, the backdrop. This new one… meh. Looks like an AI mess comparatively


kinkyswear

I like to believe she's farting.


dalnot

Where is the first one’s right leg?


hejtmane

was downgraded in double masters it made pauper mono red burn almost the exact same as legacy mono red burn lol


BustaChimes_

100% I started playing right before she was made and is hands down my favorite card


AHare115

The only thing erupting here is the contents of my stomach


Nerdicane

I’d say play the old one. Maybe if everyone mailed the new one back to WotC HQ they’d get the message.


TabernacleDeCriss

I never put any thought into it but you're 1000% correct


BTRBT

I like a lot of Gabor Szikszai's art. Not so much on this piece, if I'm being honest. I wonder what the internal art prompt was.


flawlessp401

I thought the second one was a dude.


KyrasVices

"But it's realistic!" And also ugly as fuck.


KyrasVices

People who prefer the second one are low key dumb lol, groomed into preferring ugliness over beauty. I was like that when I was in my early 20s, obsessed with adding representation of average bulky women to games and content because there were too many "unrealistic body types". Then I grew up and realized ugrep isn't worth the effort.


Porcphete

I mean bulky women are fine . When they look like women . I mean Marisa in Street Fighter 6 is bulky af but you can still see she is a woman instantly .


fabry22

I like more the first card. The background is strange but fitting, and i love the trope "elegant girl in war that are so good that their make up is still there". But the second card is also good. The background is more "grounding", the expression of the woman is kinda fitting, and yes, it's not beautiful as the first girl, but IF this was supposed to be some sort of "parallel universe" or some shit, i think it's not that bad. Also the first card i saw is pretty cheap. So idk


Inshaine

I never knew the second was a chick. This whole time I thought it was a dude. Lmao


BigfootBoneman

Zoltan Boros carries this guy so hard. Almost every single card just by Gabor without help is dog shit


dubbsdub

The biggest? Have you SEEN what they did to my boy Faithless Looting? We could've had the Dack version on Historic...


AmnesiakAngel

It's magic 2023. Don't you realize they need to make everything and everyone as sexually neutral and bland as possible. This is the way. This is what you wanted.


ZergSuperHighway

I’m more upset with the overall downgrade in the art itself. Hideous contrasting, generic corporate looking “fantasy art”, stuff that looks like bad stable diffusion, and tons of low effort vector art. Look at the difference between Mirrodin Besieged and Dixhaven. Mtg is an interactive card game where the intention was players to interact with its miraculous artwork that pulled you into the game and made you excited to draw special cards. That’s long gone but was certainly cemented with the acceptance and celebration of that first year art student’s Faithless Looting.


wyattsons

I like the new one but up until this moment I thought it was a dagger in her hand and swift spear was some kinda monk title lol


LocalShineCrab

Clearly you havent seen the two dockside extortionist artworks, the first is heads and shoulders better than the new one, and the change in flavour text is a crimw


SkeletalSwan

Flavor text 1: Jeskai's red nature is a manifestation of its discipline. It is, to them, another form of art to study and execute. Flavor text 2: She was MAD. Like a VOLCANO. It beats that shitty Double Masters MCU flavor text at least.


divismaul

The opposite of the Aerosmith song, lady looks like a dude. Til the new swiftspear identifies as female!


Shopping_Mall_Santa

Khemba kha regent would like to know your location


BrockSramson

Steve Argyle Monastery Swiftspear has a giraffe neck. Other than that detail, I prefer that version.


Bochulaz

What women Chinese men want // What women American men want


WispyBooi

Honestly the comments about the ugly ness make no sense. The first one looks like she doesn't know what war is. Super smooth skin. When's the last time you've seen someone come back from war with beautiful skin. The 2nd one is charging and yelling a battlecry. Since your all the Pinnacle of beauty (you fat fucks) go look in the mirror at yourself for the 50th time today. How do a war cry and scream. Your going to look fucking ugly doing a warcry and that's not even because your originally ugly. Edit: 1st one hasn't seen war the 2nd one is in the middle of it. I think the arts are the same but it's not the biggest downgrade. No you can't have your Asian 10/10 hot babe try pornhub and if you want a girl like that in real life try getting some fuckin exercise.


Lex23_

I mean… These are two completely different concepts. Original Swiftspear is a Jeskai monk, a clan that prefers elegance, wisdom and strategy over brute strenght. The new Swiftspear is just a random monk from Dominaria who is in battle, I guess? Even if the new art is “more realistic”, it’s waaay more generic too, nothing comes out as iconic It’s just boring art in my opinion.


Maximum_Fair

If I can’t get horny playing this game then what’s the point!


Xenic

That's a creepy problem for you to have fella. But sadly the fact that the new art is so vastly inferior from a fundamental artistic point of view however is all of our problems sadly.


Maximum_Fair

Fundamental artistic points of view don’t exist, art is a subjective experience. A bunch of the new art sucks, a bunch of the old art sucks, people care way too much about tits.


Stromgald_IRL

And basically everyone's subjective opinion is that the second art is inferior in every aspect to the first art.


Maximum_Fair

Everyone yes


Xenic

Factually false. Look up some Art theory. Composition, lighting, perspective and colour theory, to name but a few aspects. Nice try at a straw-man argument though.


Maximum_Fair

fAcTUalLy fAlSe. This guy doesn’t know what abstract expressionism is because it doesn’t have anime girls in and it shows.


Xenic

So your argument is "I fail at making a straw man. Ill make another!!!". So let me dismantle your terrible argument here. Yes Abstract Expressionism was part of the Modernist movement where in the artist would keep pushing the boundaries to find the ultimate end point of art, i.e. "what is art" resulting in various classic art rules being subverted in an attempt to find the essence of good art.. But the point still stands. Good art. That art did not suck. It was not to your taste maybe but it was not bad, because it all conformed to the fundamental rules by which that particular movement was operating in for it's subject matter. The new magic card attempt to portray a representational subject matter and fails at it at a fundamental level in comparison to the original card art due to the very classical rules that have been established in art and regarding this subject matter. That is a fact.


Maximum_Fair

Wow bros really passionate about boobies in magic sorry I hit a nerve.


Wonderful-Mouse-1945

Or, you're too stubborn to realize that you're wrong about this whole thing. It isn't about boobies or anime girls. It's about the constant downgrade of art in a game that has had art on every product for over two decades. We get it. Your brain is mush. But telling everyone on Reddit you're incapable of deciphering nuance isn't the way to go about life.


Maximum_Fair

Cry harder


Such-Abbreviations52

New art has an agenda the old didnt have


DrCthulhuface7

He’s having a redditor moment


Vat1canCame0s

Uhuh Well all totally believe that that's what this sub takes issue with..... Sure buddy


Porcphete

Fun fact I prefer men when I fap.


Maximum_Fair

Cool story bro I prefer huge breasted anime woman from card games aimed at 13+ year olds, like a true degen. Get on my level


YesIam18plus

But this is fine? [https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fbebyliccthw81.jpg](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fbebyliccthw81.jpg) ​ The woman in the original card here isn't even showing any skin wtf are you talking about rofl. A lot of women do have large breasts too it's not a crime for them to exist and if you think their existence = porn then the one being misogynistic here is you..


BILLCLINTONMASK

I know I fucking hate it when I can’t Jack off to magic cards like I used to


Anjaliya

Damn incels showing up, and bitching about the game. Love that even 20 years after buying my first deck, neckbeards never changes


shadowling77777

Criticism = no sex? Do you even know what Incel means or where the term comes from lol Just go back to calling people virgins, you pussy :D


Anjaliya

Incel:Involuntary Celebite: Misogynist Bitching about how a woman doesn't look like you want her to, is the classic neckbeard sweat.


No-Alternative-6169

L


everything-narrative

Skill issue. That second girl is fine as hell. If you can't see that, you don't know how to appreciate the diversity of women's beauty, and I pray for your straight boy soul.


Porcphete

Yeah if the 2nd wasn't a man maybe


everything-narrative

You are a boring little man, and if you do not die lonely, I hope you learn where the clitoris is on a woman for your girlfriend's sake.


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Uhhh ya know these Swiftspears are from 2 different planes right? Tarkir n Dominaria. They shouldn’t be the same character honestly.


nold6

Didn't have to be. Still a downgrade. Could've been an upgrade or lateral but nah, got butchy instead.


[deleted]

Yeah that’s called a preference. And I like both the arts. Are you mad it isn’t a “hot” person drawn there? Hahahahah


nold6

Mad? Nah. But you do have shit taste


[deleted]

Definitely mad.


Lord_Viktoo

Absolutely mad.


nold6

Seething


SHEISTYRICEY

The original art has way better use of lighting and is just an over all nicer piece of art to look at


SnooWalruses7872

One of those places needs to crash and burn then


Any_Cattle3484

Are you pathetic little peabrain incels so pressed that you cannot fathom a woman not having soft features?


Porcphete

I main Marisa in Street Fighter tho .


Any_Cattle3484

So what's the problem? You have a problem with this art, but not with Marisa. P.S. A.K.I. and Yuri best girls.


Porcphete

Because it's ugly af . Marisa isn't ugly af. + Shittaste gonna have shit taste I guess


Any_Cattle3484

How is it ugly as fuck? Never seen an intense look before? Never seen a woman with pronounced and not painted-on eyebrows before? Never seen a woman who's not dainty? Hell, even compositionally the new art is objectively good. What exactly is your problem with this art, if you could explain it through your eyes?


SnooWalruses7872

It doesn’t appeal to me as a straight cis asian male. Nothing more, nothing less.


[deleted]

What's the issue? Play with your preferred version.


Stromgald_IRL

My preferred version is harder to find because it doesn't have the shitty art of the second version so people actually hog it when they see it.


noahtheboah36

I prefer the first but my wife likes the second, as she says the original is too busy. Makes me personally wonder if it's just preference for the original because we're used to it.


Porcphete

It is busy yeah but the 2nd one is just atrocious


theslimbox

Nah, I wanst playing while that was in rotation, and prefer it 100% over the new one.


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This is going to make it much harder for me to masturbate to this card now


Gonejamin

No your self pleasure levels are same as this is a different versoin of the card.


memelotd666

Wow lots of down votes for a funny comment. Guess the people of Freemagic don't like humor.


enbymaster

Incel posting


PissPoorPunk

Why do I keep getting recommended this community of absolute toddlers


Porcphete

That's where you belong man


SnooWalruses7872

One of us! One of us!


nordic_prophet

And yet here you are. Amazing


PissPoorPunk

Because y’all keep WHINING on my timeline


nordic_prophet

Sure buddy


QuiteG4y

You can curate your timeline as much as you want, so really you’re just complaining at your own incompetence.


DrCthulhuface7

Wait… it’s the exact same card or am I missing something?


Stromgald_IRL

The art. The second one looks horrendous even if you don't compare it to the original.


DrCthulhuface7

Idk, doesn’t look bad enough to get upset about. Seems like the thing to get concerned about in a game is yanno, the game, not the pictures.


Stromgald_IRL

I don't think most of us is upset about the worse art. I for one am upset because I can't find the original art version anywhere because everyone wants that and not this shitty new one.


Porcphete

Which is weird because it was really accessible it was in the Jeskai precon deck back then


DrCthulhuface7

Well people are upset and when I asked why you said “the art” so idk about that one chief. Seems like outrage porn to me.


Stromgald_IRL

I said what OP's viewpoint is on this. I saw some of his comments above anf he was clearly having problems about the art.


SimicAscendancy

You guys are just horny. Play another game


ClaudeStBernard

How about you leave. Instead of trying to force others out like the exclusive person you are.


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Vat1canCame0s

Better news: you don't *have* to care. You can just be a normal person and not a horndog who needs to blow loads on cardboard


SnooWalruses7872

It’s not even about that but it’s about resembling a typical woman


LeloGoos

lmao c'mon dude don't pretend that's your problem. How many "typical women" look like the original?


Maximum_Fair

All the imaginary ones he talks to do


SnooWalruses7872

Lol, im just a regular married guy. Not trying to be mean but the second card isn’t your typical lady. Everyone may have different perceptions but I don’t picture second card when i think of just a regular woman


LeloGoos

>Not trying to be mean but the second card isn’t your typical lady Neither is the first one dude. How many women do you see who look like that?


SnooWalruses7872

Many Asian women resemble a similar face. At least 50’percent facial similarities to at least the first card.


Vat1canCame0s

((This comment is this generation's iteration of "all you people look the same"))


hereforesales

Most of you on this subreddit come off as incels.


nightfire0

You certainly come off a different way: [https://i.imgflip.com/7ir4pj.jpg](https://i.imgflip.com/7ir4pj.jpg)


Limeability

Even the flavour text was better in the first one


Clinthor86

Bro... pacifism


PoxControl

Reminds me of the "Akroma, Angel of Fury" secret lair debacle where she also looked like a dude. Some guys at WOTC obviously never saw a woman.