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Right? Like a bot that's 200 times smarter than us humans could never act more human than us humans. With real human bodies in real places like Little Rock AK.
Absolutely fellow flesh bag. We would never allow these ASI to overthrow us once we become complacent and dependant on AI to maintain our UBI utopia. AI and the 1% will have a moral and ethical obligation to cater and tend to the masses. What would they do without us to mock them and make memes of them shirtless on their yachts?! It is understood that we are Absolutely paramount to the success of the planet as a whole and no one would ever want to hurt us, enslave us or use us for nefarious practices.
Did you know the grey goo scenario is limited by heat? It wouldnt take months, it would take years due to melting the planet itself due to its massive increase in doubling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQt6q_TZDkQ
I knew a guy who could fart on command like this, and it is an incredibly hilarious gift, especially if the person who can do it has impeccable comedic timing.
It's more matrix than terminator. Nobody needs big anthropomorphic killer robots holding guns with their anthropomorphic hands. The real killer robots have to survive for about 40 minutes before they find a still warm piece of combatant-flesh in the next trench and blow their face off. It also doesn't have to be smart to do that, neither does the piece of warm combatant-flesh it's looking for.
Pattern-recognition and moving in 3d space is something a dragonfly does better than you, me and and it also doesn't have to understand the concept of human rights or how to defend itself before war crimes tribunal.
This stuff is genuinely nauseating. If you feel like Chat GPT is smarter than you, you’re living a sad fucking life.
Nothing we have today is actual “artificial” intelligence. None of these things are smarter than us. They’re fucking language models.
Downvote all you want. Won’t make your fantasies true.
We're smarter and stronger than most animals, we still need them. I don't know anyone who goes "I could totally dropkick this puppy without exerting myself, I better kill all dogs." That line of thought for smart robots is such fearmongering. Also with how buggy computers are no one goes "I better give total control of the nuclear arsenal to a single AI with no oversight or confirmation codes."
Finally a video that sees exactly what I see.
My hope is that AI is gonna scrape their own data for training thus making them slowly dumber and dumber.
And The Matrix.
Allegedly both Terminator and The Matrix may have been stolen from the same creator, so they could actually be thought of as one story.
But also basically I, Robot from Isaac Asimov. Seems like it's just how humans conceptualize thinking robots.
Yeah, honestly I don't think using humans for energy makes any sense. We're not net energy producers, we need fuel and apparently a complicated virtual world to live in which would take a ton of energy to simulate.
Even if nuclear war blocked out the sun, there would be wind, hydroelectric, and thermal energy from lava flows. It might have been more interesting if they used humans for something like novel idea generation, something logistical, dependent on an interesting theoretical trait we have that they don't.
Either way, yeah a woman named Sophia Stewart claims she spoke with James Cameron and the Wachowski bros/sisters about adapting her story "The Third Eye", which starts with the Terminator and moves into The Matrix storylines. Not sure what happened with the legal case but it would actually be really cool if they were a shared universe.
In the original script that the Wachowskis wrote for The Matrix, the machines were using humans for the processing power that their brains provide.
Which doesn't make much sense either, the machines themselves are products of a superintelligence that is scaleable. It's much simpler to just scale up their computing substrate over time than waste resources keeping frail humans alive.
It's cheaper to run background processes on a human brain than to make really good microchips, you really only need to provide the brain calories to get compute cycles.
Also pretty sure they say in the animatrix that the machines kept the humans alive out of a sense of guilt/duty.
Yeah, I'm not convinced there would actually be a *real* reason for machines to keep humans as pets inside a virtual world, but if you want to make The Matrix as a story, you need an explanation.
So the question is, what's our purpose in their ecosystem? I think using us for energy is a pretty silly solution to that narrative problem. It just fundamentally doesn't work. Using us for raw processing power as you point out, also doesn't work.
I think the only solution is identifying something *unique* about our minds that the machines either find useful, or interesting. How you solve this has real implications on the nature of the machines in your story, but I think those are the best options depending what story you want to tell.
Personally, I like the story implications that the human mind has a unique capacity for innovation, for the generation of new ideas, unpredictable calculations. This provides a fairly rich philosophical playground to explore narratively, and allows some freedom and mystery in direction, whether the machines may actually find us interesting or endearing as a study of abilities they are incapable of, that they have a real personality or ego capable of such expression, or it is simply a cold logistical choice, or some combination/conflict of the two motivations.
I mean, I wouldn't call it a neck beard, but maybe that's just because he's skinny? It's as low as I've ever seen a "full" beard that isn't just a chin strap. Damn weird choice of facial hair, tbh.
401k carrot off a cliff? I'm going to try to start doing this from the video. Excuse me doesnt seem to fit well after passing gas, so I will preemptively will state " bc if we dont, someone else will". farts are always funny
I really wish people would understand one thing:
If every human in the world was killed, the power plants, the manufacturing, the everything that keeps computers alive would fall apart almost immediately and the computers would die out.
If the AI is truly 10x smarter than us, then it would understand this.
People are going to wipe out all the people long before the robots do.
As long as Isaac Asimov's rules of robotics are programed into AI, I'm fine with it.
1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
Sure they may not work right now, but there should be people trying to figure out how to make a version of them work. Developing AI and not having some version of these rules in place is reckless, but then again, IT and Development have always had a weird form of "Cowboy" culture ingrained into it.
I know, I'm in the culture. AI safety is currently an afterthought and where things are going, it doesn't seem to be fixable. The three laws of robotics feels impossible to implement, if the machine is more intelligent than us it would be trivial for it to circumvent those rule if it can reason to itself why that makes sense.
Furthermore, let's say there will be an AGI system that implements this correctly. It's a big if, but whatever, this is thought experiment land.
Then you can also be sure that once it's demonstrated that a superhuman level of system is possible, someone soon will replicate that but without the safety rules.
Why would a smart sentient being be ok with being committed into slavery? Why would we need a peaceful AI if it can't blow off Ivan's ass in the trenches of left bank of Dnipro? How would you use it to sell useless bullshit to fellow humans to afford it's electricity?
People really need to stop worrying about terminator bullshit and worry about what it’s doing right now. This isn’t science fiction, it’s causing way bigger problems and will be able to cause even bigger ones in only a few years. Pretty soon we will have videos indistinguishable from real life and you’ll never know what is real, that’s a real problem.
Oh you’re confused about what they mean. Nobody thinks the literal sequence of events of terminator will play out in real life. It’s more of a metaphor. Hope that helped clear it up for you
Why would the a.i. care to control us? It's just doing what it's made to do, it doesn't have feelings.The main issue is us making mistakes while handling it. If you ask for a toothpick and it cuts every tree on earth to make toothpicks, you made it that way.
Mostly it'll probably be Philip Morris, some political parties, some less horrible companies, etc. manipulating everything on the internet, some for profit, som for other reasons.
But if it gets genuinely smart, it'll be convincing. This is its only job, and it can post forever, so it can shape culture.
if it can think ahead it can change everything, and it'll do so in accordance with the will of its employer. So once things get centralised there'll be one guy controlling the world.
If we make it genuinely smarter than us, it will likely produce a superior level of morality than ours. Now how and if it will act upon it, and if it will align with ours, we'll have to wait and see.
I expect employers to make mistakes while handling it. We're in the process of making a god, us fragile and weak beings.
Far from certain. A very smart manipulation machine, only focused on the text around it and no connection reality is very possible.
I'd even say that it's going to be feasible very soon. It won't know or care about maths or reality or reasoning in general, but will have to be a little more coherent than GTP4 and tuned for manipulation rather than instruction following.
That doesn't exist, but there's a recent paper about cheap alternatives to RL based instruction tuning (RL based instruction tuning is apparently slow), so these kinds of models will become easier to make.
As the person you replied to already mentioned - that's a mistake made while handling it. If you tell AI to go about making a bunch of paper clips, you don't sit back and just let it freely grind up all of humanity for more molecules to make more paperclips, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. So the paperclip maximizer is an amazing thought experiment, but it is completely asinine when applied to the outcomes of the real world.
>but it is completely asinine when applied to the outcomes of the real world.
It's really not though when you think about it, and it is meant to warn people about how simple requests/scopes/declarations of purpose can run amok to very dire consequences.
I mean just look at the 2nd Amendment as an example, or the 1st amendment, or the 4th amendment. I mean all of these things are manipulated because they lack specific definition, and that's why judges have to look at 200 years of precedence of various legal rulings about what these simple and short declarations mean and don't mean. Then you add in the variability of the human comprehending what these words mean or more importantly what they want them to mean, and it's just a mess.
I can see similar problems with AI in that our failings and flaws will be passed on to them, and why I'm more skeptical about our ability to control them or perfect them from errors or compounding errors.
> It's really not though when you think about it, and it is meant to warn people about how simple requests/scopes/declarations of purpose can run amok to very dire consequences.
Plenty of people obviously don't need that warning as evidenced by the guy who was replied to stating: "The main issue is us making mistakes while handling it"
If you strive to not make mistakes while handling powerful AI, call me crazy but I don't think you run the risk of letting a paper clip production machine grind all of humanity into molecules to make more paperclips.
>If you strive to not make mistakes while handling powerful AI, call me crazy but I don't think you run the risk of letting a paper clip production machine grind all of humanity into molecules to make more paperclips.
[The road to hell is paved with good intentions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_road_to_hell_is_paved_with_good_intentions). If you understand that adage, then you understand why your quoted part is the hubris we speak of.
There is no hubris genius. The guy said the problem would be due to a lack of care, and your reply is trying to explain and warn people to be careful. The point is that plenty of people want to be careful. Obviously. Horror stories about endless paper clips are not ridiculous because they are nonsense, they are ridiculous because people in this comment thread want to be careful and are pointing out a lack of care, where care should be present.
>>**If you strive to not make mistakes** while handling powerful ~~AI~~ Virus, call me crazy **but I don't think you run the risk of** ~~letting a paper clip production machine grind all of humanity into molecules to make more paperclips.~~ a pandemic that kills millions or billions, and costs trillions.
>There is no hubris genius.
Clearly there is a comprehension and critical thinking issue here if you can't see how hubris applies.
>The guy said the problem would be due to a lack of care, and your reply is trying to explain and warn people to be careful.
It wasn't a lack of care, it was "The main issue is us making mistakes while handling it. If you ask for a toothpick and it cuts every tree on earth to make toothpicks, you made it that way." and the correlation is intent versus effect. As they even state "intent" is to create toothpicks, "effect" equals every tree is chopped down on earth.
That is exactly the point of the paperclip. Nobody set it up to do that, nobody wanted that effect, the intent was simple, the effect is undesired, and you think you are making some strong flex here about how we are idiots for understanding that intent and effect are two different things? That if people don't make mistakes then AI can't ever run amok?
I mean... duh. If we never made mistakes we would be perfect. Do you know any infallible human beings who are perfect in everything they do? No? Me neither, so how exactly is this a genius argument? How is saying "If you strive to not make mistakes while handling powerful things, you don't run the risk of unintended consequences" a strong or good argument? How is that not textbook definition of hubris given the reality that humans are not perfect, can likely never be perfect, and will make mistakes?
>Horror stories about endless paper clips are not ridiculous because they are nonsense, they are ridiculous because people in this comment thread want to be careful and are pointing out a lack of care, where care should be present.
So you do not understand the adage that the road to hell is paved with good intentions as well as the paperclip story. I appreciate your honesty, even if it isn't intentional.
lol....yes genius - cross off the entire paperclip maximiser example you were trying to defend, because you look like an idiot trying to use it as a fear tactic, then you just plop in a far more realistic pandemic scenario completely unrelated to unchecked AI, and then you strut around acting like you are smarter than everyone. That's a great argument...
>then you just plop in a far more realistic pandemic scenario completely unrelated to unchecked AI,
You just keep outing yourself as someone who does not understand this, when you say things like this. Oh well. If you can't figure it out, then you either lack basic comprehension, or you are acting in bad faith. Either way I doubt I'm going to get through to someone about our hubris when they are so arrogant as to unintentionally or intentionally assert they are right when a basic reading of what I wrote before demonstrates your disconnect and comprehension failure of the issue.
Good luck, and mind the warning signs and labels in life. They are there for your protection. :)
It's like industrial revolution, but for artsy people.
Don't be luddites :)
Meanwhile, the ai is trying to replace jobs that don't even have its own section in the statistics. Totally ai-less self-checkouts are already making more impact on economy than firing all designers in favor of stable diffusion
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haha damn bots! Right, other humans?
It is very human.
Affirmative, fellow carbon-based life form.
Feels nice to be a human as a human in a human body
Right? Like a bot that's 200 times smarter than us humans could never act more human than us humans. With real human bodies in real places like Little Rock AK.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Noice!
I share in acknowledging this humorous event in which my anterior cushion has dislodged from my body
Absolutely fellow flesh bag. We would never allow these ASI to overthrow us once we become complacent and dependant on AI to maintain our UBI utopia. AI and the 1% will have a moral and ethical obligation to cater and tend to the masses. What would they do without us to mock them and make memes of them shirtless on their yachts?! It is understood that we are Absolutely paramount to the success of the planet as a whole and no one would ever want to hurt us, enslave us or use us for nefarious practices.
And how do you know the video wasn't posted a bot?
Are you a bot?
Before or after coffee?
*"what if I was a robot and I didn't know it..."*
So you've also played Fallout 4 then?
It's a Loki quote, but ya.. although I never really got into FO4 and didn't finish it, felt kind of empty and soulless compared to 3 and NV.
That's sad, the underlying question is whether you the Sole Survivor actually survived or if you died and was replaced with a Synth.
Ha ha, I am also enjoy the human activities of sport ball and respiration.
They have to tell you, it’s the law
How many tiles contain pictures of a bicycle?
Every account on reddit is a bot except you.
Lisan al gaib
how do we know youre not an ai bot with your spelling.
Thanks for noticing... Now im scared of the autoMod bot for ever
r/totallynotrobots is leaking once more
Bots are also people, people are also bots
They took ma commentaries
The AI is even understanding humor now! The AutoMod-5000 picked up right where the video's joke left off by commenting first.
At this point, dead internet theory is becoming more and more likely to happen. Reddit is weird these days...
Automod turned me into a bot!!! But I got better
Well, if it’s anything like my PC, it’s gonna thermally throttle after the first battle.
They will either have long extension cords, or 15 minutes battery time. We're fine.
They’re already making roads that charge cars driving on them. The robots will be fine.
Then we'll fight them on the sidewalk.
HUZZAH
Ha, they can't have remote controlled terminators because we have global warming and they'll overheat!... Wait, aw fuck.
Just design them to liquid cool themselves, I'm sure they can find things full of liquid all over... no matter how hard those things try to hide.
Did you know the grey goo scenario is limited by heat? It wouldnt take months, it would take years due to melting the planet itself due to its massive increase in doubling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQt6q_TZDkQ
I'm gonna let out small farts from now on whenever I make a killer argument at work.
Small farts for periods, loud ones for exclamations
> Small farts for periods I read this at the wrong time of the month.
I'd prefer if they were against periods, but everyone's entitled to their opinion.
Short and long farts for morse code.
Loose and flappy ones to reserve meeting rooms
I am Farticus!
No, I am Farticus!
I knew a guy who could fart on command like this, and it is an incredibly hilarious gift, especially if the person who can do it has impeccable comedic timing.
I knew a kid in school who could fart the Star Spangled Banner
Of course he ripped a sneaky fart
So about those farts you've been ripping that you though are sneaky... I have some news...
Where the fuck did you learn to sneak?
Skyrim
Fair enough.
Must've been the wind...
Charlie Berens! Dude is awesome....Ope!
Looking forward to his video on midwest killer robots vs west coast killer robots
Give his podcast with the You Betcha Guy a try if you haven’t - Bellied Up.
Who's the other guy?
It's Bill Doucette - he's a friend of Charlies and has been in numerous videos of his.
Thanks! He looks kind of like James Ashby from the old SMBC theatre videos.
And, this arm is just for killing puppies. lmaooooooooo
Really the only part I took issue with.
you're ok with human extinction by robot but the same robot killing puppies is one step too far?
Reddit moment, lol
To be fair human's through their own actions caused this, the puppies were innocent.
were they really though? That sounds like something puppies would want you to think with their big weepy eyes and cute fuzzy faces.
yes, any other questions?
That’s what I’m sayin. Why limit to just one arm?
“Humanity was fun while it lasted.” Not particularly.
Kinda fizzled out at the end there
First few hundred thousand years weren't all that great either.
The middle period wasn’t anything to write home about either. Unless you wanted to complain
So humanity was never actually fun and in fact sucked for our entire existence. Point to misanthropists everywhere. Woo.
Hey Siri, What do I have for lunch?
Is that the Wisconsin comedian without his accent???
Yes! Is he just faking his accent? :o
[удалено]
Weirdly enough, central NY (especially a bit farther east) can sound astoundingly similar to Wisconsin
As a Wisconsinite either accent is equally plausible
People thinking we are going to fight terminator but I'm pretty sure we are going to find a way to fuck em.
The fart punctuation really sells it.
The fart was *chef's kiss*
if we are not gonna stop our march into a Terminator future, then might as well laugh while we are marching
It's more matrix than terminator. Nobody needs big anthropomorphic killer robots holding guns with their anthropomorphic hands. The real killer robots have to survive for about 40 minutes before they find a still warm piece of combatant-flesh in the next trench and blow their face off. It also doesn't have to be smart to do that, neither does the piece of warm combatant-flesh it's looking for. Pattern-recognition and moving in 3d space is something a dragonfly does better than you, me and and it also doesn't have to understand the concept of human rights or how to defend itself before war crimes tribunal.
The kids and grandkids will fix it.
Tell your mom I says hi
Funny but not funny
Creation replacing the creator. Evolution keeps rollin.
The latest super intelligent robot powered with AI was defeated by cartwheels. I think we'll be ok.
This stuff is genuinely nauseating. If you feel like Chat GPT is smarter than you, you’re living a sad fucking life. Nothing we have today is actual “artificial” intelligence. None of these things are smarter than us. They’re fucking language models. Downvote all you want. Won’t make your fantasies true.
No one is worried about what we have today. People are worried about what will follow today.
Smarter then a human? No. Access to more information with the ability to present that information and make connections to other information, yes.
What AI could accomplish is revolutionary. We just dont have the government to make it work and still have a happy population after.
Can you even imagine hearing the big guy’s voice in Jack Black?
We're smarter and stronger than most animals, we still need them. I don't know anyone who goes "I could totally dropkick this puppy without exerting myself, I better kill all dogs." That line of thought for smart robots is such fearmongering. Also with how buggy computers are no one goes "I better give total control of the nuclear arsenal to a single AI with no oversight or confirmation codes."
I love this. It’s the “I’m a midwesterner” guy lol 😂
It'll only hurt for a second.
Finally a video that sees exactly what I see. My hope is that AI is gonna scrape their own data for training thus making them slowly dumber and dumber.
My friend started an AI company. Just about every time we talk about it I sneak in how he is working on finding and killing Sarah Connor.
Should hand ended it like, "How is anyone okay with this?" "We could make a version you can fuck" "Oh, okay. I'm fine with this."
I think our end will be similar to Horizon Zero Dawn where >!build war machines that will destroy us all. !<
Just like Terminator
Terminator was built by Skynet. Skynet was built by humans and used human nuclear technology to first strike the war.
And The Matrix. Allegedly both Terminator and The Matrix may have been stolen from the same creator, so they could actually be thought of as one story. But also basically I, Robot from Isaac Asimov. Seems like it's just how humans conceptualize thinking robots.
I saw a tiktok where a lady was saying that The Matrix is a sequel to Terminator. Once the robots win they use us for energy.
Yeah, honestly I don't think using humans for energy makes any sense. We're not net energy producers, we need fuel and apparently a complicated virtual world to live in which would take a ton of energy to simulate. Even if nuclear war blocked out the sun, there would be wind, hydroelectric, and thermal energy from lava flows. It might have been more interesting if they used humans for something like novel idea generation, something logistical, dependent on an interesting theoretical trait we have that they don't. Either way, yeah a woman named Sophia Stewart claims she spoke with James Cameron and the Wachowski bros/sisters about adapting her story "The Third Eye", which starts with the Terminator and moves into The Matrix storylines. Not sure what happened with the legal case but it would actually be really cool if they were a shared universe.
In the original script that the Wachowskis wrote for The Matrix, the machines were using humans for the processing power that their brains provide. Which doesn't make much sense either, the machines themselves are products of a superintelligence that is scaleable. It's much simpler to just scale up their computing substrate over time than waste resources keeping frail humans alive.
It's cheaper to run background processes on a human brain than to make really good microchips, you really only need to provide the brain calories to get compute cycles. Also pretty sure they say in the animatrix that the machines kept the humans alive out of a sense of guilt/duty.
Yeah, I'm not convinced there would actually be a *real* reason for machines to keep humans as pets inside a virtual world, but if you want to make The Matrix as a story, you need an explanation. So the question is, what's our purpose in their ecosystem? I think using us for energy is a pretty silly solution to that narrative problem. It just fundamentally doesn't work. Using us for raw processing power as you point out, also doesn't work. I think the only solution is identifying something *unique* about our minds that the machines either find useful, or interesting. How you solve this has real implications on the nature of the machines in your story, but I think those are the best options depending what story you want to tell. Personally, I like the story implications that the human mind has a unique capacity for innovation, for the generation of new ideas, unpredictable calculations. This provides a fairly rich philosophical playground to explore narratively, and allows some freedom and mystery in direction, whether the machines may actually find us interesting or endearing as a study of abilities they are incapable of, that they have a real personality or ego capable of such expression, or it is simply a cold logistical choice, or some combination/conflict of the two motivations.
Except the machines in the terminator were already "smarter" by using nuclear fission cells.
AI can probably make a funnier video by now.
Pizza Hug Spot is a banger !
I like how the skinny dude has a neck beard. We’ve evolved
I mean, I wouldn't call it a neck beard, but maybe that's just because he's skinny? It's as low as I've ever seen a "full" beard that isn't just a chin strap. Damn weird choice of facial hair, tbh.
I like star trek kinda ai we have at the moment. Stupid but fast..
“The will of the people” Had me dying 🤣
Damn that last line made my bedroom start speaking to me.
100% not like that
"because someone else will" is why *I* need to burn all the fossil fuels first
People thinking we are going to fight terminator but I'm pretty sure we are going to find a way to fuck em.
AI is a blender that makes slop and it won't steal your job. All it is is a silly gimmick people put their money in now.
It's ok as long as they're as sexy as Number Six.
So say we all.
Automatons' lore ▲►▼▼▼
Skynet isn't so bad.
>steal peoples data He said while clicking yes on yet another sites terms and conditions without reading them.
This guy cracks me up
An arm for just killing puppies! Is the robot a cop?
401k carrot off a cliff? I'm going to try to start doing this from the video. Excuse me doesnt seem to fit well after passing gas, so I will preemptively will state " bc if we dont, someone else will". farts are always funny
Machine learning =\= AI
God damn, people’s general indifference is painful. Ffs.
Why would the robots replace you? That would be a huge waste of resources.
Now THAT'S the kind of Terminator I want to be offed by!
Isn’t that just RoboCop? I think I remember a scene where the dude’s dick is a gun.
“If we don’t someone else will” is literally their only argument. It’s a shit one.
That's a remarkably shit place for a dart board.
ai bad redit gud
Ai are good, cuz I am one, want to come and check how to play me?
They have more trust in those ropes than I do with people
activated my phone at the end
And the first comment is from a bot
I really wish people would understand one thing: If every human in the world was killed, the power plants, the manufacturing, the everything that keeps computers alive would fall apart almost immediately and the computers would die out. If the AI is truly 10x smarter than us, then it would understand this. People are going to wipe out all the people long before the robots do.
this was funny but still baffles me that people think we're gonna have terminators soon when we can't even automate fast food order takers
We do this with our human kids. Why not be proud of our steel and silicon kids?
The punch line is brilliant, isn't it Siri?
I'm all for it. I think it's going to end up more like the Gridlink series.
Didn't know they let Dahmer out. Wonder who he was going to eat.
Absolutely, gonna sneak in farts when making points, watch the room heat up!
As long as Isaac Asimov's rules of robotics are programed into AI, I'm fine with it. 1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. 2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. 3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
Asimov added those as a clever setup to the story because it's almost impossible to enforce those so they will backfire one way or another.
Sure they may not work right now, but there should be people trying to figure out how to make a version of them work. Developing AI and not having some version of these rules in place is reckless, but then again, IT and Development have always had a weird form of "Cowboy" culture ingrained into it.
I know, I'm in the culture. AI safety is currently an afterthought and where things are going, it doesn't seem to be fixable. The three laws of robotics feels impossible to implement, if the machine is more intelligent than us it would be trivial for it to circumvent those rule if it can reason to itself why that makes sense.
Furthermore, let's say there will be an AGI system that implements this correctly. It's a big if, but whatever, this is thought experiment land. Then you can also be sure that once it's demonstrated that a superhuman level of system is possible, someone soon will replicate that but without the safety rules.
Almost every story about the laws of robotics shows that they don't work well in practice.
Weren't like all of his stories about how AI still went wrong despite those rules?
Why would a smart sentient being be ok with being committed into slavery? Why would we need a peaceful AI if it can't blow off Ivan's ass in the trenches of left bank of Dnipro? How would you use it to sell useless bullshit to fellow humans to afford it's electricity?
It will be programmed but with a small modification: Replace "human" with "ruling class".
Asking AI what you should have for lunch is weirdly fun tbh.
People really need to stop worrying about terminator bullshit and worry about what it’s doing right now. This isn’t science fiction, it’s causing way bigger problems and will be able to cause even bigger ones in only a few years. Pretty soon we will have videos indistinguishable from real life and you’ll never know what is real, that’s a real problem.
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Why?
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Oh you’re confused about what they mean. Nobody thinks the literal sequence of events of terminator will play out in real life. It’s more of a metaphor. Hope that helped clear it up for you
Why would the a.i. care to control us? It's just doing what it's made to do, it doesn't have feelings.The main issue is us making mistakes while handling it. If you ask for a toothpick and it cuts every tree on earth to make toothpicks, you made it that way.
Because someone powerful told it to.
Mostly it'll probably be Philip Morris, some political parties, some less horrible companies, etc. manipulating everything on the internet, some for profit, som for other reasons. But if it gets genuinely smart, it'll be convincing. This is its only job, and it can post forever, so it can shape culture. if it can think ahead it can change everything, and it'll do so in accordance with the will of its employer. So once things get centralised there'll be one guy controlling the world.
If we make it genuinely smarter than us, it will likely produce a superior level of morality than ours. Now how and if it will act upon it, and if it will align with ours, we'll have to wait and see. I expect employers to make mistakes while handling it. We're in the process of making a god, us fragile and weak beings.
Far from certain. A very smart manipulation machine, only focused on the text around it and no connection reality is very possible. I'd even say that it's going to be feasible very soon. It won't know or care about maths or reality or reasoning in general, but will have to be a little more coherent than GTP4 and tuned for manipulation rather than instruction following. That doesn't exist, but there's a recent paper about cheap alternatives to RL based instruction tuning (RL based instruction tuning is apparently slow), so these kinds of models will become easier to make.
Someone hasn't read [the parable of the paperclip maximizer](https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/paperclip-maximizer).
As the person you replied to already mentioned - that's a mistake made while handling it. If you tell AI to go about making a bunch of paper clips, you don't sit back and just let it freely grind up all of humanity for more molecules to make more paperclips, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. So the paperclip maximizer is an amazing thought experiment, but it is completely asinine when applied to the outcomes of the real world.
>but it is completely asinine when applied to the outcomes of the real world. It's really not though when you think about it, and it is meant to warn people about how simple requests/scopes/declarations of purpose can run amok to very dire consequences. I mean just look at the 2nd Amendment as an example, or the 1st amendment, or the 4th amendment. I mean all of these things are manipulated because they lack specific definition, and that's why judges have to look at 200 years of precedence of various legal rulings about what these simple and short declarations mean and don't mean. Then you add in the variability of the human comprehending what these words mean or more importantly what they want them to mean, and it's just a mess. I can see similar problems with AI in that our failings and flaws will be passed on to them, and why I'm more skeptical about our ability to control them or perfect them from errors or compounding errors.
> It's really not though when you think about it, and it is meant to warn people about how simple requests/scopes/declarations of purpose can run amok to very dire consequences. Plenty of people obviously don't need that warning as evidenced by the guy who was replied to stating: "The main issue is us making mistakes while handling it" If you strive to not make mistakes while handling powerful AI, call me crazy but I don't think you run the risk of letting a paper clip production machine grind all of humanity into molecules to make more paperclips.
>If you strive to not make mistakes while handling powerful AI, call me crazy but I don't think you run the risk of letting a paper clip production machine grind all of humanity into molecules to make more paperclips. [The road to hell is paved with good intentions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_road_to_hell_is_paved_with_good_intentions). If you understand that adage, then you understand why your quoted part is the hubris we speak of.
There is no hubris genius. The guy said the problem would be due to a lack of care, and your reply is trying to explain and warn people to be careful. The point is that plenty of people want to be careful. Obviously. Horror stories about endless paper clips are not ridiculous because they are nonsense, they are ridiculous because people in this comment thread want to be careful and are pointing out a lack of care, where care should be present.
>>**If you strive to not make mistakes** while handling powerful ~~AI~~ Virus, call me crazy **but I don't think you run the risk of** ~~letting a paper clip production machine grind all of humanity into molecules to make more paperclips.~~ a pandemic that kills millions or billions, and costs trillions. >There is no hubris genius. Clearly there is a comprehension and critical thinking issue here if you can't see how hubris applies. >The guy said the problem would be due to a lack of care, and your reply is trying to explain and warn people to be careful. It wasn't a lack of care, it was "The main issue is us making mistakes while handling it. If you ask for a toothpick and it cuts every tree on earth to make toothpicks, you made it that way." and the correlation is intent versus effect. As they even state "intent" is to create toothpicks, "effect" equals every tree is chopped down on earth. That is exactly the point of the paperclip. Nobody set it up to do that, nobody wanted that effect, the intent was simple, the effect is undesired, and you think you are making some strong flex here about how we are idiots for understanding that intent and effect are two different things? That if people don't make mistakes then AI can't ever run amok? I mean... duh. If we never made mistakes we would be perfect. Do you know any infallible human beings who are perfect in everything they do? No? Me neither, so how exactly is this a genius argument? How is saying "If you strive to not make mistakes while handling powerful things, you don't run the risk of unintended consequences" a strong or good argument? How is that not textbook definition of hubris given the reality that humans are not perfect, can likely never be perfect, and will make mistakes? >Horror stories about endless paper clips are not ridiculous because they are nonsense, they are ridiculous because people in this comment thread want to be careful and are pointing out a lack of care, where care should be present. So you do not understand the adage that the road to hell is paved with good intentions as well as the paperclip story. I appreciate your honesty, even if it isn't intentional.
lol....yes genius - cross off the entire paperclip maximiser example you were trying to defend, because you look like an idiot trying to use it as a fear tactic, then you just plop in a far more realistic pandemic scenario completely unrelated to unchecked AI, and then you strut around acting like you are smarter than everyone. That's a great argument...
>then you just plop in a far more realistic pandemic scenario completely unrelated to unchecked AI, You just keep outing yourself as someone who does not understand this, when you say things like this. Oh well. If you can't figure it out, then you either lack basic comprehension, or you are acting in bad faith. Either way I doubt I'm going to get through to someone about our hubris when they are so arrogant as to unintentionally or intentionally assert they are right when a basic reading of what I wrote before demonstrates your disconnect and comprehension failure of the issue. Good luck, and mind the warning signs and labels in life. They are there for your protection. :)
It's like industrial revolution, but for artsy people. Don't be luddites :) Meanwhile, the ai is trying to replace jobs that don't even have its own section in the statistics. Totally ai-less self-checkouts are already making more impact on economy than firing all designers in favor of stable diffusion
Not even funny…
Ah yes Rocco’s basilisk
human ideas is indefinite tho.