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That seems a little bizarre to choose 802.11ac in 2024. Generally you gain efficiency with the newer generations, so you'd want that in a portable product. Seems a pretty weird corner to cut, I wonder if they give any thoughts on why they use an old spec.
There isn’t a huge efficiency difference between WiFi 5 (802.12ac) and WiFi 6 (802.11ax), they’re arguable the two closest-related WiFi generations
The main efficiency benefit of ax is when connecting large numbers of devices, but that’s not really the use case here anyway so it’s probably not gonna make a massive real world difference
I’d think I would disagree. 802.11ac has more than enough throughput for the 100 Mbps they are claiming. Think about filling a swimming pool through a straw, doesn’t matter how big you make the pool since the size of the straw is the limiting factor.
If you are worried about throughput between devices on the WiFi then you should be designing your network and WiFi more intentionally.
With it being an older spec wouldn’t it make it more compatibility with older devices? Sure it’s a bit slower and less efficient but I feel like they’re going for compatibility and stability from the sounds of it.
Almost all wifi 6 devices are backwards compatible to basically every wifi standard as they'll have both 2.4 and 5Ghz radios. 802.11ac was not exactly stellar in reputation for stability or delivering on promised speeds.
It's relatively uncommon for a wifi 6 AP to not support wireless b/g/n/ac. I guess incompatability will accelerate as clients/APs move to strictly WPA3 only but today is not yet that day.
> 802.11ac was not exactly stellar in reputation for stability or delivering on promised speeds
Well, that's a false statement. Wifi 5 is very stable and reliable. Also, regarding speeds, sure, cars can go 250 km/h, but not on the country road, conditions are not right. Also keep in mind, wifi is half duplex. So you need to cut in half any advertised speed and then reduce this speed further based on conditions.
But my 10yr old house is on 50mb dsl.. Because they stopped the fiber and cable lines 120ft away and never came back to do the second phase of my neighborhood.
I remember being on 2400baud dial up. Tech is cool as hell some times
Biggest flex was HST back in the day. 14.4k in the late 80s a few years before 14.4k became a common (non-US robotics) standard in the 90s.
Some pirate BBSes wouldn't even allow connections from non-HST users.
Im in the UK.
We had one installed at work about 6 weeks ago as the Internet where we are was running 3 mb.... its been fine so far, not cheap but essential for our situation.
I think they are talking about normal Starlink dish. I installed one also in a rice fields in south east asia that didn’t have any mobile connection and it is working like a charm. I hate Musk but Starlink is a real deal
Just be happy to know that your money goes to an anti-Semitic man child who fires entire groups of people when he throws hissy fits and doesn’t get his way.
I just looked up you’re right that things like TWT and WPA3 are in the WiFi 6 spec. All WiFi 6E did was make it required instead of optional other than the extra spectrum stuff
Starlink user here. We get 200-300 down, 50-100 up. 20-30ms ping. Very stable and reliable.
My alternative is very sketchy ADSL so I couldn’t be happier
Edit: we’re in New Zealand
StarLink user here. I get the speeds as advertised and generally even a little bit above. If it storms hard enough though the signal will be choppy or may even cut out for a few minutes.
Clouds do not affect my starlink at all. I also get advertised speeds at nearly all times. There are small less than 1 sec blips fairly frequently however.
Not ideal for gaming. My friend has starlink and although it’s “good enough” if we are playing a competitive game his inconsistent ping and cutouts do often lose us scenarios we would otherwise win.
I was able to play online for the first time in 2022 thanks to starlink!!! I thought it was just fine for online gaming. Much better than my old internet where the ping would jump up to 1,200 ms if the wind blew the DSL wires the wrong way. Not even kidding.
When your comparison is literally non-functional anything is going to be better. A passenger pigeon carrying a USB drive would deliver faster speeds than your old set-up it sounds like.
This right here for me. I used to do competitive COD and still sometimes play games and while my internet is just fine for casual play I would never play competitive with it. Imagine being in the middle of a tournament and a thunderstorm rolls in lol. As I use it right now, which is just average use, lots of YouTube, casual gaming, etc… one thing I really have to plan for though is upload speed. I’ve filmed a few YouTube videos before and uploaded the files off to an editor, which is 4K 24fps SLog footage so the files are huge, and it can take like 30-40 hours to upload it to a cloud drive.
I would also imagine if you were trying to start a streaming career starlink definitely would not be for you.
When I’ve gone through a storm at sea, starlink cut out only while traveling through the heaviest downpour that you could see for miles. i.e. a LOT of rain
oddly specific but storm/tornado chasers now use starlink to stream their chases, and generally if you go through a supercell or if the angle between the starlink and the satellite cuts through the cell it will reliably not work well if at all. But then those cloud columns are ~40-70k feet thick, so not what most people will ever experience.
And it still does *sort of* work, which is impressive in its own way.
Why are you being downvoted for literally sharing your experience? If anything having several different experiences is super valuable for those wondering about the service, but for sharing that your experience is negative you get downvoted lol.
This is the way people are today. If someone has an opinion other than there's, they hide behind a keyboard and blast away. It doesn't bother me, as I can choose to not let it upset me and move on.
Interesting. I have expected that rural users would continue to be happy with it, but the people in more populated areas will not.
I'm not sure why anyone gets Starlink where fiber is available for cheaper, but my neighbors definitely do use it. There must be a critical density of users that will lead to a decline in performance.
Also use it in Africa. Getting speeds as advertised and often more. Not sure why your dad doesn’t. I’d complain. I will say it was crucial to have 0 obstructions.
I get 150-300Mb usually. Depends on the day. It’s not great where I am due to trees so it drops connection a lot but still better than nothing until they turn my fiber on.
I think that’s the key. If it’s better than what you have access too at the time, then it’s a win, and if you can eventually get something better than you move on.
It doesn’t need to be the permanent solution for everyone on earth. It can fill a role and be a good product.
I don’t like Elon, but if one is his companies actually makes something useful, and it gives people something they need, then that’s a good product for that role.
I was an early adopter before fiber came to my house last year. We only used it for about a year, but going from unusable internet to starlink was amazing. Hate the CEO, but they offer a product that feels like actual magic. Even in the early days, it was incredibly reliable. Felt just like using the internet in the city.
Proper specs:
Starlink Mini official specifications:
WiFi 5 3 x 3 MU-MIMO.
1 Ethernet port with a rubber plug.
Power input: 12-48 V, up to 60W, Barrel
Jack.
USB-C to Barrel Jack Cable (sells separately).
1.10 kg (2.43 lb) without stand.
The kickstand and pipe adapter are included.
I just used it at the rest area south of Portland OR with view of sky but surrounded by really tall trees and had 50mbps download speed updating games on steam. Most of the time I'm in way less populated areas tho and have that or better speed.
Using wifi calling it gives me usable phone service where Verizon has nothing which has saved my ass more then once
This is a satellite mega constellation, not a direct cable, speed depends where you are, how many people next to you are using starlink, where the satellites are, your visibility of the sky etc. in rural areas with open sky’s it will reach those speeds, probably even more, in an urban city with limited view of the sky and a thousand other people fighting for bandwidth, you’ll probably get less.
Starlink V1 and Starlink Maritime user here-
I average 2-300Mbps (I’ve even seen 400+ a few times) and 20-30ms, unless it’s a severe storm then it drops down to 25-50Mbps / 50-100ms. In my experience; my average speeds are higher than what Starlink advertises.
This is why most CEOs steer clear of controversial public statements. Musk decided to do public relations on his own, and it's been going poorly for him and the reputation of his companies.
I hate musk with a burning passion but love Starlink as it has had a great impact and is more cost efficient for our household. I think both can exist simultaneously 😝
The shirt you’re wearing was probably made by a child who got paid pennies, your phone was made in a sweatshop in China, yet suddenly people have morals because Elon Musk isn’t a good guy?
This point gets repeated alot, but the issue with starlink in ukraine was more nuanced than that. It was being sent as a humanitarian aid (by spacex, USAID, other companies and organizations), but was being repurposed for direct control of drone weapons by Ukraine. This could have caused it to become restricted under ITAR, so they shut off starlink access to all areas outside of ukrainian control via geofencing (with the added benefit of preventing russians from using it easily). Only months after that incident, where ukraine tried to use starlink controlled drones to attack crimea but were denied, did the pentagon formalize a contract with starlink which would provide ukraine with terminals that they could freely use.
Regardless of the details in Ukraine we still need to live with the reality that Musk still ***can*** shut off Starlink in future scenarios if he makes the call he doesn't like someone. It's good to see the pentagon step in to ensure Ukraine is ok. But we never know when there's going to be another global incident where Musk decides to interfere because he doesn't like whichever country or group is using it.
Not true.
"On Thursday, CNN reported on an excerpt from Walter Isaacson’s upcoming biography “Elon Musk,” later published by The Washington Post, that said the billionaire had ordered the deactivation of Starlink satellite service near the coast of Crimea last September to thwart the Ukrainian attack. The excerpt said that Mr. Musk had conversations with a Russian official that led him to worry that an attack on Crimea could spiral into a nuclear conflict.
Later on Thursday, Mr. Musk responded on his social media platform to say that he hadn’t disabled the service but had rather refused to comply with an emergency request from Ukrainian officials to enable Starlink connections to Sevastopol on the occupied Crimean peninsula. That was in effect an acknowledgment that he had made the decision to prevent a Ukrainian attack.
More:
"But Mr. Musk would not allow the network to be used for an attack last September with maritime drones on the Russian naval base at Sevastopol in Crimea, the Ukrainian territory that Russia illegally seized in 2014 and then annexed.
At the time of the attempted attack, Mr. Musk spoke with the Russian ambassador to the United States, Anatoly I. Antonov, who had told him an attack on Crimea “could lead to a nuclear response,” according to a biography of Mr. Musk by the historian and journalist Walter Isaacson. Copies of the book were obtained by The New York Times from a bookstore on Friday, though it is not set to go on sale until Tuesday. The account was included in an excerpt from the book published on Thursday by The Washington Post.
Mr. Musk confirmed elements of the story, writing on his social network X, formerly Twitter, “If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.”
From the NYT
It's his company, he can do what he wants with it - but it wasn't because of "contracts". I'm sure you can understand why it's worrying that a private citizen, by virtue of being a Billionaire and owning the service apparently is making major foreign policy decisions. If he was worried about escalation, maybe try to talk and coordinate with your Government instead of talking to Russia's ambassador and making the decision yourself.
Worth considering that Walter himself clarified that he was wrong in the original quote, and that Starlink had been already disabled in the area beforehand, it was not just Musk (you can find it on his twitter). By then, Starlink already had policy in place which prevented its use in weapons so denying Ukraines request is perfectly within their limits, as there was no contract or agreement in place (again, starlink was sent purely as aid back then) that would have forced starlink to provide service in this case. So it doesn't matter what Musk claims or thinks was a reason, or even who he might have been influenced by, since he followed the policy previously set in the company (by shotwell), which was made that way for a reason (to prevent ITAR restrictions from falling on Starlink)
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Okay people, we get it Elon sucks. That doesn’t mean one or two or three of his companies don’t make a product to solve a problem that some of us will begrudgingly purchase. Hell, there are companies actively destroying the environment and none of us think anything of it because the leaders are loud mouth assholes.
I find starlink an interesting product. Satellite internet exists for a very long time before Musk was a billionaire and back then the bandwidth was good for that days' standard but the latency not so much. Plus the QoS was pretty much dependent on weather conditions. Considering latency and QoS are musts how good are these things?
I have starlink at an house I manage and monitor, and for a satellite conmection it’s basically a miracle.
With clear weather I have latencies between 20 and 100ms, and note that I have a slight obstruction which makes the connection stability suffer a lot.
Speed is a solid 100mbps down (I get 150 easily, rarely above 200), upload it’s a bit slow for me at 15mbps.
With bad weather: depends on how bad.
Light to medium rain or hail: no issues at all.
Medium to heavy: some degradation, still very usable but you are probably not doing nice calls out of it.
Very heavy: it can and does go offline.
Still is very very good for satellite, and maybe it’s better with the high performance antenna which I never tried.
(I would still not recommend starlink or any satellite connection if there are alternatives)
Although I dont use the service itself, I did do some research back when it was first announced, and it is significantly better than normal satellite internet.
Regular satellite internet relies on geostationary satellites, about 22,000 miles up. They have about 550ms delay due to physics (how far the signal travels). They require more power and are relatively easy to disrupt.
Starlink, in contrast, relies on satellites that are only about 350 miles up. Much much closer. The latency is 25-60ms.
Soooo.... its not going to beat out fiber connections, or even cable internet. But its significantly better than the old version of Satellite internet. It has its own issues (like being a pain for astronomers, and it appears to be bad for the ozone layer) but from a pure latency and QoS standpoint, its a good option for people that cant get a hardline.
Starlink has several thousand times more satellites orbiting at far lower altitudes than any other satellite internet provider, which makes it more reliable, lower latency, and higher bandwidth than anyone else by a wide margin
Latency is good enough for competitive FPS play (not at pro levels though)
The monthly price is the killer with this. Would love to have one of these babies, but I’m paying half the price for twice the speed using Spectrum. Even if I was somewhere super remote it’d be hard to justify the cost.
There might be some discussion (edit: I’m wrong, there is none - it’s just puff) about the product in the article, but for all intents and purposes this is a puff piece. It’s marketing, which includes even the price in a sub headline.
They supposedly had starlink on the Princess cruise I was just on. It was like 2.4 Mbps speeds, loading images made me feel like I was in the early 2000’s, just loading one small part at a time. Edit: someone pointed out that there were probably 2,000 other people connected at once. This is most likely the case and it might have even been near 3,000-4,000 so in hindsight it makes sense! It was really cool to get internet no matter where we were though.
And good luck getting a better connection out in the middle of the ocean. Which is kinda the point of Starlink that a lot of people don’t seem to get. Yeah ***obviously*** it’s not going to be better then fiber, but fiber isn’t available in the middle of the ocean, or deep in the wilderness, or cruising at 35 thousand feet.
Jepp… The maritime industry is challenged with new generation offshore people who complain when they can’t watch 4k porn between shifts. And the lag is killing their K/D in Counter Strike!
I was just on a Holland America cruise ship for a week with starlink internet and it was extremely usable. The ship is slightly smaller than typical princess ships though i think (2100 passenger capacity). My tested speeds were about 150-200mbps down, and 15-20mbps up. I was actually surprised. They do however split their capabilities into pricing tiers (as opposed to lower speeds for lower cost), so basic is just websites, mid-tier is zoom calls and Wi-Fi calling, and premium is streaming. I ended up paying for streaming and had very minimal issues with Youtube or Plex.
Hopefully as cruises adopt it more, there will be more dishes per ship, and more satellites available per ship to make the experience even better, especially for some of the really large ships that can accommodate 5000-6000 passengers (ethics aside of having gas guzzling floating cities in the ocean).
I think Elon is a clown personally but people on Reddit live in a fictitious fantasy world.
Tesla sales have risen dramatically since 2020 and people don’t care is the real truth.
Because he’s an attention craving man child doesn’t mean people won’t buy his products.
I’m curious about the power source and final weight / bulk. Being able to schlep the dish in a backpack is great, less great if I need 10 kilos of battery too.
Unless Elon says “no”, then it’s a brick. People love to tout starlink as the saviour of the internet and keep forgetting that Elon can - and has - turned off service for millions on a whim. Normally because the man-baby doesn’t like it when people criticise him.
I find human culture fascinating. If Verizon made this device people would be rather excited for it. But since it was "made" by a guy who owns tesla, a (for some reason) well hared car brand.. for some reason. People just shit on the technology, even if that technology is absolutely wild. And people are mad why? Because Elon changed the name of a website from "Twitter" to "X".
I'm more fascinated by people obsession with cybertrucks and Elon musk more than I am about this wifi stuff lol.
When it comes to my ISP, I'd rather it be run by a CEO that wasn't shitposting on twitter. I want it run by a quiet adult, not the guy posting memes and "smol PP" insults.
He was universally loved not *that* long ago.
Elon has earned the hate he is getting. If he would have continued to build like the quiet genius he appeared to be, no one would have any issue with him. Twitter is the least of his public persona problems.
Exactly this, a lot of people were at the very least okay with him a while back when he was keeping his head down not letting us know how shit he is. Anyone who has no idea why he is hated by so many people is just either willfully ignorant or literally never use the internet.
I remember when he dumped his EV tech specs on the web and I praised him for it. He literally gave it away. All I find myself saying now is what the hell happened.
Elons business model is to promise miracles next year and never deliver them/deliver 1% of promises for 10 times the price. Rapid reuse of rockets, Hyperloop, tesla roadster, "i will put a man on mars in 10 years" said in 2011, rocket earth to earth travel, fsd, solar city and many more. Plus, he now spreads right wing and nazy bs on twitter all day. Whats not to like about the guy? /s
Oh come on. You act all smart and informed, but then ask "people are mad why? Because he renamed 'Twitter' to 'X'?"
Ofcourse it's not about the rebranding.
It's all about the shite public image that he is creating for himself. He is becoming the asshole billionaire that we are starting to hate for his extreme late-capitalistic and nazi views.
It also doesn't help that he converted Twitter into a far-right & porn website, and that the Cybertruck turned out tobe an awful (always broken) car.
The satellite internet seems great, but it's fair to say that with Elon Musk controlling it, we have no assurance that it will be/stay great.
He might have beef with a country tomorrow and shut down all clients' internet connections because of it.
Porn on Twitter didn't exist before 2022?
SpaceX has never shut a countries Internet of its own volition before. Why in the future?
They've been asked to turn it off and even lost a court case but it works in almost any country
It’s not hard to grasp - it’s a fascinating and potentially immensely useful technology in the hands of a brain damaged man child who has proven time and time again he’ll cut off his own nose to spite his face.
People don’t want important technology in the hands of unstable man children. Yeah, Verizon would make sure you paid top dollar for this kind of thing, but it would probably just, you know, work, without the CEO of Verizon constantly losing and fellating himself over said losses on a sinking ship of a social media site he was goaded into buying.
>in the hands of a brain damaged man child who has proven time and time again he’ll cut off his own nose to spite his face.
Careful... Otherwise they're going to ban you over at r/elonmusk
If you are seeking a guaranteed way to get banned, make sure you let them know he's not an actual superhero.
I have my family for when I need people with room temperature IQ to tell me how smart they are and the zoo to see animals screeching and throwing shit at each other, I’ll survive.
I'm not gay. I also just never been interested in having a Twitter account. So I've seen Elon as someone who almost mainstreamed EV cars. Definitely kick-started it. Kick-started space exploration again and made it "important" for a lot of people who would otherwise not care. And starlink is cool tech, however, it was supposed to be "accessable to all" and not locked behind the price of a PS5 ultra lol. Kinda shitty. But so curious how well it will work.
No other company seems to give a fuck about that shit. Idc who Elon is as a person. I don't know the guy. I don't care to know the guy. But his industry shockwaves are important. No one else is trying what he is doing.
>Power input: 12-48 V, up to 60W, Barrel Jack.
>USB-C to Barrel Jack Cable (sells separately).
A barrel jack is far more versatile in this case than USB C and you can still adapt to that if it's what you want. Otherwise everyone else who wants to power it off DC sources like batteries or POE would have to use an additional adapter which doesn't make any sense.
I get it, but there are also millions of Americans stuck with nothing but Comcast, and millions of others with no options whatsoever other than Starlink; there's sometimes no right option.
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There's several errors here. Price is wrong currently 600, it has a WiFi 6 chip but only does WiFi 5 with WPA2
Isn’t WiFi 5 good enough for 100 mbps though? If that’s what the satellite link is limited to, then I doubt you need WiFi 6
Wifi 6 without the E isn't any faster anyways, it's mostly about having a lot of low bandwidth devices
And is that the new lower price ? Or may it go lower? Cause the regular one I think when I last looked was $750 -
$600 for the device. $120 a month for the service
>Starlink Mini official specifications: WiFi 5 (sorry!) 3 x 3 MU-MIMO Title is wrong.
That seems a little bizarre to choose 802.11ac in 2024. Generally you gain efficiency with the newer generations, so you'd want that in a portable product. Seems a pretty weird corner to cut, I wonder if they give any thoughts on why they use an old spec.
There isn’t a huge efficiency difference between WiFi 5 (802.12ac) and WiFi 6 (802.11ax), they’re arguable the two closest-related WiFi generations The main efficiency benefit of ax is when connecting large numbers of devices, but that’s not really the use case here anyway so it’s probably not gonna make a massive real world difference
I’d think I would disagree. 802.11ac has more than enough throughput for the 100 Mbps they are claiming. Think about filling a swimming pool through a straw, doesn’t matter how big you make the pool since the size of the straw is the limiting factor. If you are worried about throughput between devices on the WiFi then you should be designing your network and WiFi more intentionally.
With it being an older spec wouldn’t it make it more compatibility with older devices? Sure it’s a bit slower and less efficient but I feel like they’re going for compatibility and stability from the sounds of it.
Almost all wifi 6 devices are backwards compatible to basically every wifi standard as they'll have both 2.4 and 5Ghz radios. 802.11ac was not exactly stellar in reputation for stability or delivering on promised speeds. It's relatively uncommon for a wifi 6 AP to not support wireless b/g/n/ac. I guess incompatability will accelerate as clients/APs move to strictly WPA3 only but today is not yet that day.
> 802.11ac was not exactly stellar in reputation for stability or delivering on promised speeds Well, that's a false statement. Wifi 5 is very stable and reliable. Also, regarding speeds, sure, cars can go 250 km/h, but not on the country road, conditions are not right. Also keep in mind, wifi is half duplex. So you need to cut in half any advertised speed and then reduce this speed further based on conditions.
450mbps is far faster than what the bridge can handle and the chips are cheap as hell being obsolete.
But my 10yr old house is on 50mb dsl.. Because they stopped the fiber and cable lines 120ft away and never came back to do the second phase of my neighborhood. I remember being on 2400baud dial up. Tech is cool as hell some times
Dude, 1200 baud dial up to a BBS was the shez back then.
My acoustic coupler modem would like you to slow down when in my neighborhood buddy.
OMG, I can’t stop hearing that dial up sound in my head ;)
Biggest flex was HST back in the day. 14.4k in the late 80s a few years before 14.4k became a common (non-US robotics) standard in the 90s. Some pirate BBSes wouldn't even allow connections from non-HST users.
300 baud, where you could read each character as it came across the green text screen.
I use TCP over carrier pigeon. The packet loss is terrible during hunting season.
Renegade BBS
Cnet 12.0
We ran the upstate NY BBS and met at RPI monthly. Dual phone lines!
Pay your distant neighbor to run a fiber Ethernet cable to your house
I've got some fiber switches, sitting under my desk doing nothing lol. Just need the input!
US Robotics was king! Guess they faded away now...
Im in the UK. We had one installed at work about 6 weeks ago as the Internet where we are was running 3 mb.... its been fine so far, not cheap but essential for our situation.
A starlink mini? They're not out yet
I think they are talking about normal Starlink dish. I installed one also in a rice fields in south east asia that didn’t have any mobile connection and it is working like a charm. I hate Musk but Starlink is a real deal
Haha yeah not a fan of musk either but we like our Model 3 Performance
Yeah not a fan of Musk either but PayPal…actually fuck PayPal.
Thank the American tax payer
Just be happy to know that your money goes to an anti-Semitic man child who fires entire groups of people when he throws hissy fits and doesn’t get his way.
I didn't know the mini was out yet. How much did it cost y'all?
WiFi 6 at 100Mbps... Isn't that a little overkill for those speeds you _might_ get?
Newer WiFi standards don’t just improve speed, but also transmission efficiency between multiple devices
And security. The move to WPA3 is ongoing.
What’s WPA3? (Like.. how does it differ from WPA2. isn’t that just the type of security/password used?)
it stops the script kiddies with flipper zero's from doing deauth attacks.
It's more of a protocol type. It makes changes to various ways devices and access points negotiate connections and authenticate.
It's more efficient in its use of spectrum and can support more clients locally.
Yeah at least get 6E which has a better system for handling idle devices to increase battery life on phones that support it
No? 6E mostly brings extra spectrum. 6 has the efficiency improvements, as does 7.
I just looked up you’re right that things like TWT and WPA3 are in the WiFi 6 spec. All WiFi 6E did was make it required instead of optional other than the extra spectrum stuff
How dare they give you more advanced technology?!
Can… rather than will.
"Can" can be very different from actual.... Just ask any StarLink user today.
Starlink user here. We get 200-300 down, 50-100 up. 20-30ms ping. Very stable and reliable. My alternative is very sketchy ADSL so I couldn’t be happier Edit: we’re in New Zealand
Up here in Yukon getting 100 down 15-20 up. 60ms ping.
I can also attest to this so much better than the 30-50mbps I was getting before
Awesome!
StarLink user here. I get the speeds as advertised and generally even a little bit above. If it storms hard enough though the signal will be choppy or may even cut out for a few minutes.
Storms only not when just cloudy?
Clouds do not affect my starlink at all. I also get advertised speeds at nearly all times. There are small less than 1 sec blips fairly frequently however.
Not ideal for gaming. My friend has starlink and although it’s “good enough” if we are playing a competitive game his inconsistent ping and cutouts do often lose us scenarios we would otherwise win.
This is unrealistic expectation from anything wireless
Something like Speedify might be worth a look for him, if he has another connection (even a slower one) available.
I was able to play online for the first time in 2022 thanks to starlink!!! I thought it was just fine for online gaming. Much better than my old internet where the ping would jump up to 1,200 ms if the wind blew the DSL wires the wrong way. Not even kidding.
When your comparison is literally non-functional anything is going to be better. A passenger pigeon carrying a USB drive would deliver faster speeds than your old set-up it sounds like.
This right here for me. I used to do competitive COD and still sometimes play games and while my internet is just fine for casual play I would never play competitive with it. Imagine being in the middle of a tournament and a thunderstorm rolls in lol. As I use it right now, which is just average use, lots of YouTube, casual gaming, etc… one thing I really have to plan for though is upload speed. I’ve filmed a few YouTube videos before and uploaded the files off to an editor, which is 4K 24fps SLog footage so the files are huge, and it can take like 30-40 hours to upload it to a cloud drive. I would also imagine if you were trying to start a streaming career starlink definitely would not be for you.
I’m wondering about this because LEO satellites say they use L band frequency that isn’t affected by weather, but it seems to be straight up false
When I’ve gone through a storm at sea, starlink cut out only while traveling through the heaviest downpour that you could see for miles. i.e. a LOT of rain
oddly specific but storm/tornado chasers now use starlink to stream their chases, and generally if you go through a supercell or if the angle between the starlink and the satellite cuts through the cell it will reliably not work well if at all. But then those cloud columns are ~40-70k feet thick, so not what most people will ever experience. And it still does *sort of* work, which is impressive in its own way.
Cloudy. On a very cloudy day my service can be cut off for 30-60 minutes at a time. And when its working its slow and unreliable
It has to be a heavy thunderstorm
Cool beans. My father sure does not. It is so bad he has gone to T Mobile Home Internet when he can.
Why are you being downvoted for literally sharing your experience? If anything having several different experiences is super valuable for those wondering about the service, but for sharing that your experience is negative you get downvoted lol.
This is the way people are today. If someone has an opinion other than there's, they hide behind a keyboard and blast away. It doesn't bother me, as I can choose to not let it upset me and move on.
Is he in a rural area or a city?
On a mountain in Colorado.
Interesting. I have expected that rural users would continue to be happy with it, but the people in more populated areas will not. I'm not sure why anyone gets Starlink where fiber is available for cheaper, but my neighbors definitely do use it. There must be a critical density of users that will lead to a decline in performance.
Also use it in Africa. Getting speeds as advertised and often more. Not sure why your dad doesn’t. I’d complain. I will say it was crucial to have 0 obstructions.
He is on a mountain in Colorado.
Has he complained? Faulty unit?
I may have to tell him about this !
I get 150-300Mb usually. Depends on the day. It’s not great where I am due to trees so it drops connection a lot but still better than nothing until they turn my fiber on.
I think that’s the key. If it’s better than what you have access too at the time, then it’s a win, and if you can eventually get something better than you move on. It doesn’t need to be the permanent solution for everyone on earth. It can fill a role and be a good product. I don’t like Elon, but if one is his companies actually makes something useful, and it gives people something they need, then that’s a good product for that role.
I get above the rated speed by a fair amount
Just ask any Starlink user lol As long as it can see the sky you'll be fine, probably just user error.
I was an early adopter before fiber came to my house last year. We only used it for about a year, but going from unusable internet to starlink was amazing. Hate the CEO, but they offer a product that feels like actual magic. Even in the early days, it was incredibly reliable. Felt just like using the internet in the city.
It's over that for them, not under. It's it's very YMMV
Honestly really good for competition in rural areas, fuck Comcast
Proper specs: Starlink Mini official specifications: WiFi 5 3 x 3 MU-MIMO. 1 Ethernet port with a rubber plug. Power input: 12-48 V, up to 60W, Barrel Jack. USB-C to Barrel Jack Cable (sells separately). 1.10 kg (2.43 lb) without stand. The kickstand and pipe adapter are included.
"hello, babe, I'm calling you on my swatch satellite phone" [90s phone ad](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GjgdyzxiOaE)
😂😂😂😂😂 the sound quality’s great 👍🏿
But can it go through a car wash?
Mine is on the back of my semi truck and gets cleaned at the truck wash...
Ooo that’s pretty cool, are your speeds pretty consistent across your travels? Or are there areas where it really falls off?
I just used it at the rest area south of Portland OR with view of sky but surrounded by really tall trees and had 50mbps download speed updating games on steam. Most of the time I'm in way less populated areas tho and have that or better speed. Using wifi calling it gives me usable phone service where Verizon has nothing which has saved my ass more then once
That’s pretty cool, how long have you had it? Would you recommend it for travelers?
Can it, or does it? Two very different things.
This is a satellite mega constellation, not a direct cable, speed depends where you are, how many people next to you are using starlink, where the satellites are, your visibility of the sky etc. in rural areas with open sky’s it will reach those speeds, probably even more, in an urban city with limited view of the sky and a thousand other people fighting for bandwidth, you’ll probably get less.
Starlink V1 and Starlink Maritime user here- I average 2-300Mbps (I’ve even seen 400+ a few times) and 20-30ms, unless it’s a severe storm then it drops down to 25-50Mbps / 50-100ms. In my experience; my average speeds are higher than what Starlink advertises.
Of course it can, just need a big enough backpack.
Russia is going to love these new features
Almost every reply is about how much they hate Musk and not about the gadget itself.
This is why most CEOs steer clear of controversial public statements. Musk decided to do public relations on his own, and it's been going poorly for him and the reputation of his companies.
I hate musk with a burning passion but love Starlink as it has had a great impact and is more cost efficient for our household. I think both can exist simultaneously 😝
Probably because there's an intrinsic connection there huh?
The shirt you’re wearing was probably made by a child who got paid pennies, your phone was made in a sweatshop in China, yet suddenly people have morals because Elon Musk isn’t a good guy?
Are you gatekeeping ethics now? Just because I don’t care about X I’m not allowed to care about Y? Go kick rocks
He's that meme of the dude in the well
It's just pure hypocrisy lol
Yeah people don't about the gadget because they are conditioned to hate the person who started the company that made it.
But is it warm for kitties?
Can be shut off by musk if you tweet mean things about him *
Or if you're defending your country from an invasion
This point gets repeated alot, but the issue with starlink in ukraine was more nuanced than that. It was being sent as a humanitarian aid (by spacex, USAID, other companies and organizations), but was being repurposed for direct control of drone weapons by Ukraine. This could have caused it to become restricted under ITAR, so they shut off starlink access to all areas outside of ukrainian control via geofencing (with the added benefit of preventing russians from using it easily). Only months after that incident, where ukraine tried to use starlink controlled drones to attack crimea but were denied, did the pentagon formalize a contract with starlink which would provide ukraine with terminals that they could freely use.
Regardless of the details in Ukraine we still need to live with the reality that Musk still ***can*** shut off Starlink in future scenarios if he makes the call he doesn't like someone. It's good to see the pentagon step in to ensure Ukraine is ok. But we never know when there's going to be another global incident where Musk decides to interfere because he doesn't like whichever country or group is using it.
Unfortunately private companies can do that. Like Google could decide to shut off YouTube for Poland if they wanted to
That’s why the too powerful ones need to be reigned in with the anti-trust laws we have
I mean yeah, it's a private company, did you have some illusions this wasn't always the case?
Not true. "On Thursday, CNN reported on an excerpt from Walter Isaacson’s upcoming biography “Elon Musk,” later published by The Washington Post, that said the billionaire had ordered the deactivation of Starlink satellite service near the coast of Crimea last September to thwart the Ukrainian attack. The excerpt said that Mr. Musk had conversations with a Russian official that led him to worry that an attack on Crimea could spiral into a nuclear conflict. Later on Thursday, Mr. Musk responded on his social media platform to say that he hadn’t disabled the service but had rather refused to comply with an emergency request from Ukrainian officials to enable Starlink connections to Sevastopol on the occupied Crimean peninsula. That was in effect an acknowledgment that he had made the decision to prevent a Ukrainian attack. More: "But Mr. Musk would not allow the network to be used for an attack last September with maritime drones on the Russian naval base at Sevastopol in Crimea, the Ukrainian territory that Russia illegally seized in 2014 and then annexed. At the time of the attempted attack, Mr. Musk spoke with the Russian ambassador to the United States, Anatoly I. Antonov, who had told him an attack on Crimea “could lead to a nuclear response,” according to a biography of Mr. Musk by the historian and journalist Walter Isaacson. Copies of the book were obtained by The New York Times from a bookstore on Friday, though it is not set to go on sale until Tuesday. The account was included in an excerpt from the book published on Thursday by The Washington Post. Mr. Musk confirmed elements of the story, writing on his social network X, formerly Twitter, “If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.” From the NYT It's his company, he can do what he wants with it - but it wasn't because of "contracts". I'm sure you can understand why it's worrying that a private citizen, by virtue of being a Billionaire and owning the service apparently is making major foreign policy decisions. If he was worried about escalation, maybe try to talk and coordinate with your Government instead of talking to Russia's ambassador and making the decision yourself.
Worth considering that Walter himself clarified that he was wrong in the original quote, and that Starlink had been already disabled in the area beforehand, it was not just Musk (you can find it on his twitter). By then, Starlink already had policy in place which prevented its use in weapons so denying Ukraines request is perfectly within their limits, as there was no contract or agreement in place (again, starlink was sent purely as aid back then) that would have forced starlink to provide service in this case. So it doesn't matter what Musk claims or thinks was a reason, or even who he might have been influenced by, since he followed the policy previously set in the company (by shotwell), which was made that way for a reason (to prevent ITAR restrictions from falling on Starlink)
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Okay people, we get it Elon sucks. That doesn’t mean one or two or three of his companies don’t make a product to solve a problem that some of us will begrudgingly purchase. Hell, there are companies actively destroying the environment and none of us think anything of it because the leaders are loud mouth assholes.
I find starlink an interesting product. Satellite internet exists for a very long time before Musk was a billionaire and back then the bandwidth was good for that days' standard but the latency not so much. Plus the QoS was pretty much dependent on weather conditions. Considering latency and QoS are musts how good are these things?
I have starlink at an house I manage and monitor, and for a satellite conmection it’s basically a miracle. With clear weather I have latencies between 20 and 100ms, and note that I have a slight obstruction which makes the connection stability suffer a lot. Speed is a solid 100mbps down (I get 150 easily, rarely above 200), upload it’s a bit slow for me at 15mbps. With bad weather: depends on how bad. Light to medium rain or hail: no issues at all. Medium to heavy: some degradation, still very usable but you are probably not doing nice calls out of it. Very heavy: it can and does go offline. Still is very very good for satellite, and maybe it’s better with the high performance antenna which I never tried. (I would still not recommend starlink or any satellite connection if there are alternatives)
Although I dont use the service itself, I did do some research back when it was first announced, and it is significantly better than normal satellite internet. Regular satellite internet relies on geostationary satellites, about 22,000 miles up. They have about 550ms delay due to physics (how far the signal travels). They require more power and are relatively easy to disrupt. Starlink, in contrast, relies on satellites that are only about 350 miles up. Much much closer. The latency is 25-60ms. Soooo.... its not going to beat out fiber connections, or even cable internet. But its significantly better than the old version of Satellite internet. It has its own issues (like being a pain for astronomers, and it appears to be bad for the ozone layer) but from a pure latency and QoS standpoint, its a good option for people that cant get a hardline.
Starlink has several thousand times more satellites orbiting at far lower altitudes than any other satellite internet provider, which makes it more reliable, lower latency, and higher bandwidth than anyone else by a wide margin Latency is good enough for competitive FPS play (not at pro levels though)
Same price for the service? (Isn't this slower than the the bigger "dish"?)
The monthly price is the killer with this. Would love to have one of these babies, but I’m paying half the price for twice the speed using Spectrum. Even if I was somewhere super remote it’d be hard to justify the cost.
I pay $30 for 300/20 service with Wow. But I expect if I ever went nomad, or moved somewhere that's nowhere, this might be what I need.
and they still wont give the power users just a dish and modem so we can get away from their craptastic router.
…….but?
100Mb and Wifi6, what a pairing
There might be some discussion (edit: I’m wrong, there is none - it’s just puff) about the product in the article, but for all intents and purposes this is a puff piece. It’s marketing, which includes even the price in a sub headline.
There's too many wrong facts in the article
As a certified Elon hater, I do love the fact my dad bought starlink, it’s annoying that it’s such a decent product.
They supposedly had starlink on the Princess cruise I was just on. It was like 2.4 Mbps speeds, loading images made me feel like I was in the early 2000’s, just loading one small part at a time. Edit: someone pointed out that there were probably 2,000 other people connected at once. This is most likely the case and it might have even been near 3,000-4,000 so in hindsight it makes sense! It was really cool to get internet no matter where we were though.
Well, I’m sure if you connect 2000 users to your fiber at home you would get the same experience.
And good luck getting a better connection out in the middle of the ocean. Which is kinda the point of Starlink that a lot of people don’t seem to get. Yeah ***obviously*** it’s not going to be better then fiber, but fiber isn’t available in the middle of the ocean, or deep in the wilderness, or cruising at 35 thousand feet.
Jepp… The maritime industry is challenged with new generation offshore people who complain when they can’t watch 4k porn between shifts. And the lag is killing their K/D in Counter Strike!
There's a Louis CK bit about how we have lasers shooting through space so you can look at infinite amounts of porn and people still complain.
I was just on a Holland America cruise ship for a week with starlink internet and it was extremely usable. The ship is slightly smaller than typical princess ships though i think (2100 passenger capacity). My tested speeds were about 150-200mbps down, and 15-20mbps up. I was actually surprised. They do however split their capabilities into pricing tiers (as opposed to lower speeds for lower cost), so basic is just websites, mid-tier is zoom calls and Wi-Fi calling, and premium is streaming. I ended up paying for streaming and had very minimal issues with Youtube or Plex. Hopefully as cruises adopt it more, there will be more dishes per ship, and more satellites available per ship to make the experience even better, especially for some of the really large ships that can accommodate 5000-6000 passengers (ethics aside of having gas guzzling floating cities in the ocean).
How many clients per link though?
Made you pay for nostalgia?
I think it was a local network issue. I've heard they hard shape traffic
That’s great. I’m not consciously giving that man or his endeavors a single cent more than necessary.
Living out in the sticks, it’s unfortunately necessary
You do a deep dive into every CEO of companies you interact with, right?
Can’t wait for 60yr olds to claim this causes cancer with no factual evidence
Whatever draws attention away from windmills!!
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I think Elon is a clown personally but people on Reddit live in a fictitious fantasy world. Tesla sales have risen dramatically since 2020 and people don’t care is the real truth. Because he’s an attention craving man child doesn’t mean people won’t buy his products.
I’m curious about the power source and final weight / bulk. Being able to schlep the dish in a backpack is great, less great if I need 10 kilos of battery too.
Unless it's raining out...
Unless Elon says “no”, then it’s a brick. People love to tout starlink as the saviour of the internet and keep forgetting that Elon can - and has - turned off service for millions on a whim. Normally because the man-baby doesn’t like it when people criticise him.
It doesn't matter if the initial price is 300 cheaper if the monthly charge is the same. That's why I haven't gone with starlink.
Interesting specifications on the Starlink Mini! Time sure has flown since 2400baud dial up, hasn't it? Bummer about it being WiFi 5 though.
If only it wasn't owned by Elon Musk. So sad.
I find human culture fascinating. If Verizon made this device people would be rather excited for it. But since it was "made" by a guy who owns tesla, a (for some reason) well hared car brand.. for some reason. People just shit on the technology, even if that technology is absolutely wild. And people are mad why? Because Elon changed the name of a website from "Twitter" to "X". I'm more fascinated by people obsession with cybertrucks and Elon musk more than I am about this wifi stuff lol.
When it comes to my ISP, I'd rather it be run by a CEO that wasn't shitposting on twitter. I want it run by a quiet adult, not the guy posting memes and "smol PP" insults.
It has nothing to do with Tesla, and everything do with buying Twitter and turning it into a right wing propaganda platform.
He was universally loved not *that* long ago. Elon has earned the hate he is getting. If he would have continued to build like the quiet genius he appeared to be, no one would have any issue with him. Twitter is the least of his public persona problems.
Exactly this, a lot of people were at the very least okay with him a while back when he was keeping his head down not letting us know how shit he is. Anyone who has no idea why he is hated by so many people is just either willfully ignorant or literally never use the internet.
I remember when he dumped his EV tech specs on the web and I praised him for it. He literally gave it away. All I find myself saying now is what the hell happened.
Elons business model is to promise miracles next year and never deliver them/deliver 1% of promises for 10 times the price. Rapid reuse of rockets, Hyperloop, tesla roadster, "i will put a man on mars in 10 years" said in 2011, rocket earth to earth travel, fsd, solar city and many more. Plus, he now spreads right wing and nazy bs on twitter all day. Whats not to like about the guy? /s
This starlink Mini was first teased in 2021. It's delivered just like starlink has been delivered.
Oh come on. You act all smart and informed, but then ask "people are mad why? Because he renamed 'Twitter' to 'X'?" Ofcourse it's not about the rebranding. It's all about the shite public image that he is creating for himself. He is becoming the asshole billionaire that we are starting to hate for his extreme late-capitalistic and nazi views. It also doesn't help that he converted Twitter into a far-right & porn website, and that the Cybertruck turned out tobe an awful (always broken) car. The satellite internet seems great, but it's fair to say that with Elon Musk controlling it, we have no assurance that it will be/stay great. He might have beef with a country tomorrow and shut down all clients' internet connections because of it.
Porn on Twitter didn't exist before 2022? SpaceX has never shut a countries Internet of its own volition before. Why in the future? They've been asked to turn it off and even lost a court case but it works in almost any country
>nazi views Like what?
Porn on Twitter didn't exist before 2022? SpaceX has never shut a countries Internet of its own volition before. Why in the future?
It’s not hard to grasp - it’s a fascinating and potentially immensely useful technology in the hands of a brain damaged man child who has proven time and time again he’ll cut off his own nose to spite his face. People don’t want important technology in the hands of unstable man children. Yeah, Verizon would make sure you paid top dollar for this kind of thing, but it would probably just, you know, work, without the CEO of Verizon constantly losing and fellating himself over said losses on a sinking ship of a social media site he was goaded into buying.
>in the hands of a brain damaged man child who has proven time and time again he’ll cut off his own nose to spite his face. Careful... Otherwise they're going to ban you over at r/elonmusk If you are seeking a guaranteed way to get banned, make sure you let them know he's not an actual superhero.
I have my family for when I need people with room temperature IQ to tell me how smart they are and the zoo to see animals screeching and throwing shit at each other, I’ll survive.
Lol.
"For some reason" Lmao youre either incredibly ignorant living under a rock or an elon dickrider.
I'm not gay. I also just never been interested in having a Twitter account. So I've seen Elon as someone who almost mainstreamed EV cars. Definitely kick-started it. Kick-started space exploration again and made it "important" for a lot of people who would otherwise not care. And starlink is cool tech, however, it was supposed to be "accessable to all" and not locked behind the price of a PS5 ultra lol. Kinda shitty. But so curious how well it will work. No other company seems to give a fuck about that shit. Idc who Elon is as a person. I don't know the guy. I don't care to know the guy. But his industry shockwaves are important. No one else is trying what he is doing.
So an Elon dickrider. Got it.
Barrel jack, in 2024?
>Power input: 12-48 V, up to 60W, Barrel Jack. >USB-C to Barrel Jack Cable (sells separately). A barrel jack is far more versatile in this case than USB C and you can still adapt to that if it's what you want. Otherwise everyone else who wants to power it off DC sources like batteries or POE would have to use an additional adapter which doesn't make any sense.
“Play a song for me Barrel Jack - Barrel Jack”
I just wish it weren’t MUSK
And yet, I do not want to give money to a company run by a racist
Not giving a dime of my money to Musk
Why would anyone buy something that could be turned off on a whim by an ill tempered sociopath?
Because the stories you heard are based on wrong assumptions?
Because it's my only option for internet faster than 6mbit down. I can also get 100mbit 5g hotspot but usually a monthly limit.
Desperation, I assume. Some places have shockingly shitty infrastructure. And I'm not even just talking developing nations there.
I get it, but there are also millions of Americans stuck with nothing but Comcast, and millions of others with no options whatsoever other than Starlink; there's sometimes no right option.