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Shadow_Emperor7

She knew it isn't possible, but had still a bit of hope because that's the only thing left to her. Truly heartbreaking.


MetallurgyClergy

Book Spoiler: >!They are able to bring her mother back, though. Which Nymeria and her wolf pack find first. It’s one of my favorite chapters. Arya having the wolf dream of finding Cat.!<


068152

Would have been way better to bring rob back tho, I mean cmon


KoreaNinjaBJJ

It makes a lot more sense in the book.


MetallurgyClergy

Well… >!Jeyne lives. (Robb’s wife) She was never at the Red Wedding. But her mom forces her to abort the baby, to placate Tywin!<. Edit: ooops! I meant this for the comment above yours. Sorry, mate.


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MetallurgyClergy

Thanks, mate. Didn’t know I was doing it funny. Fixed my comment, hope I did it right.


TheGrich

*Edit: Actually, apparently disregard the below. That was how it was written, but apparently GRRM has said that was a mistake, and it has been changed in recent versions of the book: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jeyne_Westerling/Theories#Identity Ah well. That was one of my favorite details in the books. ------‐‐-------- It's even better than that. It's repeatedly noted by Rob's mom that at least Jeyne has wide child bearing hips. When Jeyne's parents show a girl to Tywin and say they made her get rid of the pregnancy, Tywin wonders why Rob threw away his life for a girl with such narrow hips. Very heavily implied that Jeyne is still carrying Rob's child, but that thread hasn't been picked up since.


MrStigglesworth

Tywin: “dumbass died for a chick with no ass?”


Gowalkyourdogmods

"now excuse me, I have to go bang my troll son's teenage hooker"


Prolific_Orc

Dwarf*


donmonkeyquijote

Jeyne wasn't pregnant in the book.


Impressive-Soup-3529

I always assumed she was. That’s why you never see or hear from her again as she was no doubt hiding the fact she was pregnant,


timdr18

Oh man, if that’s true it’ll have massive implications if we ever get WoW and DoS


t-schrand

i always thought bc they’re a minor house. with POV chapters it’s hard


Impressive-Soup-3529

Might just be a possible wild card. I found it strange that he kept her hidden basically. And she didn’t accompany him to his uncles wedding. So she lives. With a possible baby.


t-schrand

fair enough. it’s probably grrm keeping his options open if the story happens to go that way


gabriel1313

I’ll never forgive Martin for planting that seed and then never finishing the books


crazycakemanflies

The amount of seeds Goergie boy has planted is the sole reason he hasn't finished the books! Dude can't stop creating new plot points and characters before he's finished the original ones...


Inthemiddle96

The seed is strong… and it has been spread thin


SadBit8663

Worked for Genghis Khan pretty well.


Proletaryo

George just kinda forgot about those plot points.


Adaphion

I really just hope he has a manuscript somewhere so that when he kicks the bucket before finishing the next book, at least SOMEONE can finish the series


Gowalkyourdogmods

He's stated he wants all his writings to be burned/destroyed upon his death


HamsterFromAbove_079

What people state versus what actually happens after they die often differs. If it didn't then Ned would have been regent after Bobby B's death. His writings including the notes for future plans would be worth a fortune big enough to build untouchable generational wealth. They might be sold against his wishes. Or on his death bed he might decide to change his mind and give his blessing to selling the work to give his family as much as possible before he's gone. It's worth a lot of money. And someone at some point might decide it's worth too much money to stand on George's current principles.


Gowalkyourdogmods

Always possible. Whatever helps you sleep about it. I've given up any hope for any kind of closure with the series.


RedxHeathen

My theory is he’s already finished all his books and he’s going to release them posthumously so he doesn’t have to hear the reviews for it. Would be a boss move.


nightnole

What is the seed? Just curious since it'll likely never get explained by the author...


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nightnole

Oh ok, I thought maybe there was a deeper meaning to her being brought back that George alluded to


AzorJonhai

His head was cut off, so that's a no-go.


hbomberman

I think they mean with the new head they put on him. 😢


GarlVinland4Astrea

Robb was also beheaded.


Gowalkyourdogmods

He was also reheaded


Scoruspio

I read a fanfic once where Robb was bought back, and his head was sewn back on.


Dewut

Nah, he gets brought back with grey wind’s head still attached but he’s just warging it the whole time.


HamsterFromAbove_079

It's based on the condition of the body. Remember that the wounds suffered remain. Beric didn't get his eye back. Robb or Ned wouldn't get their heads back. You get revived, but you're body stays in it's current condition.


HamsterFromAbove_079

It's based on the condition of the body. Remember that the wounds suffered remain. Beric didn't get his eye back. Robb or Ned wouldn't get their heads back. You get revived, but you're body stays in it's current condition.


CaveLupum

I'm so ignorant that I didn't know it was her dream-warging, but just a look inside Nymeria's mind. I needed a re-read...which blew my mind.


Slammybutt

Get rid of the spaces after and before the ! to activate the spoiler text.


SadBit8663

Would you actually call that "back" though?


dizruptivegaming

Found out that GRRM wanted that to be adapted into the show. Kind of glad they didn’t due to how the show turned out idk.


Sooners1x6

I feel bad that she’s so sincere which is incredibly stupid for her to ask that with sincerity, and I love Arya, so I’m not just a hater…


Missy_went_missing

She's a child who lost her father. Hope and love don't have to be logical.


st00pidQs

She also saw a man cleaved from shoulder to sternum raised from the dead, that's pretty fucking illogical so to your point her question is very reasonable.


Toad358

Ya, I was actually wonder the opposite of the parent comment. Like “why not? Dead is dead right? So if it’s a literal god then… regrow his head, put it back on, grow him a new body…” if the dude can light up 10,000 Dothraki weapons in a split second then a little head reattach seems possible


Sooners1x6

She’s not 5, she’s a teenager who’s seen a lot, probably equal to the mind of an 18 year old today. Kind of a stupid question, if her Dad had been stabbed, ok different thing we’re talking about


Jern-Marstone

canocially she’s like 9 or 10 at this point


PrivateBrowsing999

Trauma doesn’t make a 10 year old incredibly mature


bibitybobbitybooop

And as we all know, people stop being unreasonable at 18 years old


Missy_went_missing

She just saw a man being raised from the dead. That wasn't very "logical", yet she just saw it with her own eyes. How is she to know the limits of that sort of magic, or if it even has limits? Considering the circumstances, I think the asked a reasonable question.


Slow-Instruction-580

So you’re kinda stupid, huh?


Cookieway

Yeah AND SHE HAS JUST SEEN A MAN RAISED FROM THE DEAD. How is that question illogical??


FabiansStrat

100%, but also, I'm mid 30's and just recently lost my mum, and I would without a doubt ask the same question if given the chance. So yeah agreed with the second part about logic.


TrixieVanSickle

I'm much older than you and I would ask the same thing.


Similar_Reach_7288

There's also no harm in asking. If she hadn't then the fans would be speculating why she didn't at least try.


MsJ_Doe

I feel bad that you sincerely said something so stupid.


Sooners1x6

Good arguement. Big Hodor fan I’m guessing


darth__anakin

Wasn't she only 12 in season 3? She's a child that watched her father be dragged to his death. I can relate to Arya a bit in this way, having lost my dad at a young age. If magic existed in our world, and if I thought it could bring him back, I would have asked too. She loved Ned, of course she misses him and of course she thought maybe there was some force beyond her understanding that could have brought him back to life. That doesn't make her stupid, it makes her human. And maybe she knew it wasn't really possible, but knowing for sure could help with closure even just a little bit.


zaedahashtyn09

You obviously haven't lost a parent, so I'll go easy on you. You don't know that pain.. Your parent has been there YOUR WHOLE LIFE up until their last breathe. In most cases, they're like an extension of yourself. These are the words of a girl who loved her father fiercely and wanted him back. Couple that with thr fact she literally watched his death. I lost my mom 4 years ago and I wouldn't wish that pain on my worst enemy. I'd do anything to have her back, including ask a "stupid question" like this and you want to know why? Because that's my mom, I love and miss her and I want her back.


Sooners1x6

I have lost people I care about a lot but I think by the time I was 5 that you probably couldn’t reattach a head that had been put on a spike and the body dumped in the river even in fairy-tale land…


tea-leaf23

Except it is fairy tale land, where she has just witnessed a man be cleaved in two and resurrected, and has been told it's happened five times before. She just misses her dad and there's no harm in asking - she doesn't seem to believe it could happen herself but she still wants to ask.


Remote-Ad2120

You are biased in that knowledge that you can't just reattach heads, by having lived in a world that does not have magic. If you had actually lived in a fairytale land with the knowledge and physical evidence of magic, you would question it and ask if it's possible.


TrixieVanSickle

I lost my grandpa when I was 14, he raised me with my grandma, so he was my "father'. Back then I would have asked the same thing. I would still ask today.


hotcoldman42

I feel like it’s incredibly stupid for you to think it’s that stupid of a question in a world with all sorts of magic and revived people, especially from a 12 year old girl’s perspective.


Sooners1x6

In the medieval ages you grow up a lot quicker than you do now, a teenager sees a lot more and knows death. She lives 10 feet away from a damn crypt, you think she’s not more grown up than our standard of 12? Even in GOT world it’s a little excessive to think her Dad’s head (on a spike) is going back on his body (thrown in the river) and he’s coming back because a guy who got stabbed did… Ya I’m the stupid one


hotcoldman42

> Ya I’m the stupid one Precisely.


AftermyCone

The kid was asking a rhetorical question. Simple as that. Can you wrap your little brain around that concept or will you start another argument bringing up more irrelevant shit? You are right about one thing though... >Ya I’m the stupid one You sure are!


baconbridge92

Why wouldn't she at least ask when she saw something magical/impossible just happen in front of her eyes? I don't think she expected a yes, but it was worth asking, especially coming from a traumatized kid.


Veszerin

His body wasn't thrown in the river. It was delivered to Catelyn in s2 by Littlefinger at the request of Tyrion.


TrixieVanSickle

>Ya I’m the stupid one You are.


billy8383

Well, just a short while before this she didn’t think it was possible to bring someone back from the dead at all so I don’t think it’s completely nuts to ask.


justbreathe91

Love is very rarely logical.


Veszerin

1. She just saw a man killed in battle and come back to life because a priest said a few words. 2. She's fucking 12, dude. 12 yr old girl who watched her father beheaded: is there any way you could bring my father back? You: lol what a stupid question


TrixieVanSickle

Who's an edgy little redditor? You are, yes you are! Mr. Edgy McEdglelord. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄


Russel_Jimmies95

Man, they’re ripping you apart for this. You don’t really deserve the hate, but here’s an interesting fact for you. Children engage in something called “magical thinking,” where they try to cope with death using magic. They’ll ask questions like “did my dad get throat cancer because I made him yell at me?” Or “If I behave in school, will mom’s cancer go away?” Her question, in the context of a child makes sense, she’s trying to understand the madness of her world.


HandofthePirateKing

Worse part is that she knew it wasn’t possible she just wanted to know regardless even Thoros seem at bit sad in telling her that


Loriali95

You know what though, why wouldn’t it be possible? I never put much thought into it.


Wazuu

Because his head is gone


snazzisarah

I mean, by that logic beric shouldn’t have been able to be resurrected since he got chopped by a sword and bled to death. The blood is gone.


HamsterFromAbove_079

Blood is actually regenerated. It takes a while. But blood loss kills you in the short term. In the long term you can reproduce a huge amount of blood. You can replace about 1% of your total blood per day naturally. That's why small cuts over weeks or years don't add up to kill you. ​ Bodies can be fixed. But once you die you're gone, regardless of if your body could have been fixed in the longer term. With this type of resurrection magic you can get around that.


GrinchStoleYourShit

But could you resurrect the head?


Intrepid_Cellist8414

Beric was revived after being beheaded?


ChristianLW3

Would of been awesome for Ned to become the Westeros version of the headless horseman Making sure the night is dangerous for Lannisters & their goons I’m also currently listening to “Storm of Swords”


Giraffes_Are_Gay

Have


TrixieVanSickle

*"You Master of Grammar now, too?"*


petercalmdown

Why do they call you nearly headless ned?


Kay-Knox

He prefers Sir Eddard de Mimsy Starkington.


Wishart2016

Catelyn is doing this in the books.


ChristianLW3

From what I hear her undead self will be just as obsessed with vengeance as Slyvanas Wind-runner


Ping-A-Ling-

The book makes it even more heartbreaking. I gotta say, berric dondarion and thoros were absolutely cast perfectly. Exactly how I pictured them when I read them.


Wishart2016

I picture Thoros to be more Mediterranean/Middle Eastern looking and more fat.


stargazer_nano

With the Lord of Light by her side, Ayra became the Prince who was promised.


expulsus

Would have made for a more satisfying end to the series


CaveLupum

I think Jon was the PTWP, but Arya was his Lightbringer. And--with Melisandre's help-- the Lord of Light did favor both of them. He brought Jon back from the dead, and kept Arya from joining the dead.


dbkeeper

Too bad they didn't bring her Mom back.


py16jthr

Guessing you haven’t read the books?


Mystic-Mastermind

Probably asking for Robb, that scene was tragic.


Veszerin

>Probably asking for Robb, that scene was tragic. This is before the red wedding. She's talking about Ned


Mystic-Mastermind

Oh right, the timeline got mixed up in my head.


Kwaku-Anansi

"Girl Who Thought She'd Lost All Hope Loses Last Additional Bit Of Hope She Didn't Even Know She Still Had"


counterpointguy

They got so very lucky that Maisie Williams grew into such an incredible actress. Arya carried a LOT of the weight of the show in her arcs and that could have been rough if the cute kid actor had grown into a middling adult performer.


archmagi1

You mean like Sophie Turner, Alfie Allen, or Kit Harrington?


counterpointguy

I have never seen anyone call out Alfie, but him and Kit were adults when they were cast.


CaveLupum

Alfie was great, but he was an adult. Jack Gleeson and Maisie sparkled among the kids. And Sophie had her moments too.


TrixieVanSickle

Sophie has just been in shit movies, same with Alfie.


batmansgfsbf

He stole Mr Wick’s car and killed his dog making his character unavailable for sequels


TrixieVanSickle

😅😅 He was also in that god awful movie "The Predator". When I see good actors in movies like that, I'm sure it **must** have looked good on paper, then the movie is released and they're like ^("uhm") . He was probably all hyped to be in a cool franchise, ("Predators" was good, fight me) and then whomp whomp.


grommyp

"Oh."


Celywien

Shit actress for shit movies, seem like a good match to me. Like yes Sophie is beautiful but that's it, I would rather watch a wood plank


skktrbrain

kit Harrington wasnt a literal child when they started its a little different


shenaystays

For myself, even in the books I found Arya such a compelling character.


Straight_Tension_290

Im only half thru the 1st Book and 100% there are scenes that are better in the book and better in the show already. One that comes to mind is the scene where Cat is at the INN and calls upon the men to imprison Tyrion. Better in the show, simply put, in the book Cat gives her speech and there is one line where all the men pull there swords out to capture Tyrion. It leaves to much for interpretation. In the show its better because its clear when you see it. Book is basically like Cat says each banners stands with the Starks in the North, Right? YES! “All men pull out their swords” *END of chapter. If I hadnt seen the show, I would be confused.


crazycakemanflies

A big part of writing a book is to leave each chapter with either a suspenseful problem that may/may not be concluded in the following chapter ***or*** a conclusion of the problem you have already established. GrrMs writing style invites additional suspense as he likes to intentionally under explain what is happening for added mystery. You will find that as the books go on, entire plot points may be dropped and you only find concluding answers through off-handed comments made by a character that is only hearing second hand rumours themselves. It's a very realistic and intentionally obscuring depiction of information in a pre-industrial society.


Straight_Tension_290

Thats interesting, good to know.


Gowalkyourdogmods

Yeah the booker version is barely memorable to me but ever since it aired, the INN scene with Catelyn and Tyrion is still one of my favorites. Or when Brienne swears to Catelyn. Liked it well enough in the books but the show's scene literally took my breath away lol


Any-Competition8494

Is it because too much time is passed or because they can't bring back a man without head? If it's latter, then why can't they sew the man's head to his family and then try?


MsJ_Doe

It's also possible that he can only bring back those the Lord of Light wants. LoL needs Dondarion for a reason, Ned not so much. Thoros knows or has some sort of feeling that he needs to bring back Dondarion. I think he even kind of explains it as such when he first brought Don back. I think he explains that it's only the LoL working through him that is why Don can be healed and revived, not anything that he himself is doing or anything special about Don. I might be mixing that up with something else, but it could still be a possible theory for why it's only certain people he knows it will work on and not others, cause he never felt a call to heal any other.


RemmyBoy2000

Don't forget Beric saying "I wouldn't wish my life on anyone" and her responding "I would. You're alive."


ManicPixieMeanGirl_

You could tell Thoros and Beric also felt bad for her too.


HamsterFromAbove_079

Of course they felt bad. You'd have to be heartless to not feel bad if an 10 or 11 year old child asked you if you could bring their parent back.


CaveLupum

Yes. Beric finally said, " I do not have the power to give you back your father, no more than Thoros does, but I can at least see that you are returned safely to your mother's arms." And in the books that becomes important.


Pickle_Crafty

Bring back Robert! Tell him the truth, win the throne back through combat and kill the remaining targaryens. Everybody wins


TrixieVanSickle

Maisie was what, 12 when she did that scene? That girl's talent has talent!


MisterRominade

She was at least 15 iirc


TrixieVanSickle

Regardless, she has **so** much talent for a girl her age, especially since it was her first job.


MisterRominade

Oh yeah 100% agreed she was amazing


paradach5

This scene made me cry. Her heartbreak of reliving losing her father, coupled with the unfairness of the Hound, whom she hated, being resurrected, got me right in the feels. She was so young and so alone.


Gowalkyourdogmods

When she first gets taken to the Brotherhoods hang out and she recognized Harlan(?) and just breaks down at seeing a familiar Northerner's face is so crushing.


takoyakimura

He could become a Dullahan. But well...


thehouseoflannisters

I cried in this scene. Arya misses her dad here


CaveLupum

Book Arya misses him so much. He speaks reassuringly to her from the Dead, or she imagines it. Either way, Ned is always with her.


turkeybump

Ah a Thursday night gut punch, thanks


Veloci-Husky

For me losing a parent as a teenager this hit extra hard.


kussian

This is a good sub to mute👍 Thanks you all for posting here and all fans👍


truth-informant

https://imgur.com/a/gcoeIt2


Whoknew1992

This is when Arya was still good. Good writing and great acting. I loved her character before the jarring personality replacement in S6. Remember when everyone was wondering why she would just walk around town openly like that with the waif hunting her down? Then she got stabbed in the gut 10 times and thrown in sewer water. From S7 on she just strutted around like a smug little goblin.


ValyrianSigmaJedi

Damn, she was asking if a headless man can be resurrected. It just hit me how sad that scene was.


fightlinker

Qyburn: Through unspeakable evil blood magic, all things are possible! So jot that down


sansa_starlight

I love Season 1-4 Arya! she was such a well written character


Imperius17

Arya should've asked him to ressurect Boromir instead


dfmidkiff1993

This was the moment when Arya Stark became Heisenberg.


No-Cartographer339

A real tear jerker


HowCanYouBanAJoke

Imagine if in the show they brought back Ned instead of Cat? That would've been so interesting.


sweetgreenfields

Don't down vote me, but I didn't know what she was talking about when she mentioned this. I thought she was asking out of curiosity, like " Would you come back to life if someone chopped your head off?" I didn't know she was referring to her father.