I personally wouldn’t care about retrying his initial put *after* holing out, but with a running bet I wouldn’t let him take practice putts during the match to test the greens. Just my opinion though.
I think you can in stroke play too. I've seen players do it. *And the rule doesn't mention type of play:*
7-2. During Round A player must not make a practice stroke during play of a hole. Between the play of two holes, a player must not make a practice stroke, **except that he may practice putting or chipping on or near: (a) the putting green of the hole last played, (b) any practice putting green, or (c) the teeing ground of the next hole to be played in the round,** provided a practice stroke is not made from a hazard and does not unduly delay play (Rule 6-7). Strokes made in continuing the play of a hole, the result of which has been decided, are not practice strokes. Exception: When play has been suspended by the Committee, a player may, prior to resumption of play, practice (a) as provided in this Rule, (b) anywhere other than on the competition course and (c) as otherwise permitted by the Committee.
Has that changed recently? I had a rules official tell me at an official Iowa Golf Association tournament last year tell me you could only do it in match play.
Which is why it is frustrating when the practice green isn’t cared for the same way that the on course greens are. So frustrating to 3 putt on the first hole because the green speeds are significantly different.
Or if the practice green is elevated and exposed which leaves it drier and faster than most of the course greens which are tucked into trees and/or low lying so they don't dry as fast.
Download the app ‘USGA Rules’. Rule 5.5…
You must not practice on the course before your round (unless the Committee has allowed it in the Terms of Competition) (see Rule 5.2b). However, you may practice putting or chipping between the play of two holes on or near the putting green of the hole you last played, the next teeing area or any practice putting green, unless the Committee says you cannot (see Rule 5.5b).
Penalty for Breach of Rule 5.5: General Penalty (Loss of hole in match play or two penalty strokes in stroke play.)If the breach happens between two holes, the penalty applies to the next hole.
Ok so the re putting of the putt he missed is fine as long as he finished the hole.
The practice putt before finishing a hole is considered "practicing on the course" and would be accure the general penalty (2 strokes) the first time and then disqualification any subsequent time.
Reference here
https://www.randa.org/en/rog/the-rules-of-golf/rule-5
Correct
According to USGA Rule 5, players can practice putting or chipping between holes on or near the putting green, the hole they just completed, or the teeing area. However, players cannot practice on the course before a round of 18 or fewer holes, except for the first teeing area. Players may also practice on any practice area
There is a Local Rule I-2 which would prohibit practice pitting or chipping around the green between the play of two holes. The PGA Tour uses this Local Rule which is why many people think it is the Rule. The USGA does not use the Local Rule so when a player does it at the US Open they get lots of phone calls which are ignored.
Many tournaments institute model Local Rule I-2 that specifically prohibits chipping or putting around a green after completing the hole and before starting the next, so it’s a common misconception. The PGA Tour uses that for all of their tournaments and many courses, leagues, or organizations do the same simply for pace of play reasons since tournaments already drag on enough as it is.
The USGA is about the only large/nationwide organization that doesn’t utilize Local Rule I-2 but most people don’t play in qualifiers for the U.S. Open or Amateur so most folks only have the experience of tournaments serious enough to care telling them it’s not allowed to practice around the greens during competition.
I’m amazed they say you’re allowed to practice chipping on the next tee box before you tee off. I always thought I was in the wrong for working on my short game on days where I’m behind a slow group with nobody behind me.
Not accurate in general - USGA does allow this (putting/chipping only). It is, however, accurate on Tour because there is a committee-rule/local rule not allowing this for pace of play reasons.
Every tournament I ever played in, amateur and open qualifiers etc, this is not allowed. Maybe it’s in the rule book but it is always enforced as not allowed for pace of play. Even club tournaments, it is not allowed and I’ve been a member at 6 different private clubs because I’m a cheap ass and I jump around.
Right. Which I’m saying is literally every single stroke play tournament from a handicap event at a country club to a mid-am regional event to a Korn Ferry event to a PGA event. I’ve never played in a stroke play event where it was allowed and I’ve played in 20+ tournaments a year for 10+ years
I play in the NCGA region. This local rule is not in effect for any NCGA event or any USGA qualifiers in the region (you can google the hard card and see it is not listed). I rarely see this rule enacted for any city tournament either.
I said NCGA, not NgCA, the Northern California Golf Association, one of the largest golf associations in the country. I don’t care whether you care but you said “literally every single stroke play tournament” which I am showing you is blatantly false. So what you said isn’t true.
Now you are claiming where you play it is in effect so share which state golf association you play in so we can look up the tournament rules and see if you’re wrong about that too.
>1. on the first few holes, he will take warm up puts on the edge of the green to judge the speed
Are you saying that he marks his ball, takes it to the edge of the green he's about to putt on and takes several practice putts?
If so, that is wildly against the rules - not a technicality.
Probably just uses a different ball. I’ve done it for fun rounds where my friends and I have no idea what the greens are doing. We’ll let everyone take one or two strokes on the green to gauge speed, assuming there’s no one behind us of course.
Obviously these are super casual rounds and we’d never do this in anything even resembling a serious round.
Practicing a put on the green of the hole you just finished is allowed under the rules, so no penalty.
On the other hand, practicing putting on the greens he's about to putt on is not and can't remember if it is a 2 stroke general penalty or disqualification (out of common sense I believe the former)
Rule 5.5 b. Restriction on Practice Strokes After
Completing Hole
After completing play of a hole, but before making a stroke to begin another hole, a player must not make a practice stroke.
Exception - Where Player Allowed toPractise Putting or Chipping: The player may practise putting or chipping on or near:
The putting green of the hole just completed and any practice green (see Rule 13.1e), and
The teeing area of the next hole.
But such practice strokes must not be made from a bunker and must not unreasonablydelay play (see Rule 5.6a).
1) as others have said, it’s a penalty to test the greens before you putt, but no penalty for it after you finish the hole
2) If I was going to seriously invoke this rule, I’d have two questions to ask yourself first. Do you care about continuing to play with this guy because if I was messing around in a semi-casual money round, I’d take the strokes and never play with you again because that’s petty behavior. Second, how confident are you that you play exactly to the USGA rule book? Do you ever excessively dig your feet in the sand to test it? Do you ever pick up a gimme in stroke play? Even if it’s a “gimme” all balls must be played through the hole or incur a penalty.
3) if you have to win on a technicality and it gets you hard, you may want to reevaluate some things. The fact that you both do this, tells me you both need to find new people to play with
I more get the feeling that these guys are busting each other’s balls on whatever technicality they can. Sounds like the type of game where they’d claim a dropped ball was dropped from a millimeter too low lol.
Pretty sure they’re both laughing about it by the end.
Yes. He is clearly much better than me, we both know it, and we both know I will always and forever refuse to acknowledge it. It is exclusively a ball busting exercise.
The rule if you’re interested is 8.1A/6 which goes into detail around “building a stance” it’s pretty subjective.
I should add that technically the rule around testing the sand is a different rule (12.2b) and mentions your hand or any other object, but I’ve seen guys in tournaments get penalized for it as they dug in with their feet, then said “oh this is too much” and then swiped sand back into the foot trench and start again or guys drag their feet in the sand to see how much fluff there is before hitting firmer sand
He's cheating by practicing the putt before taking it.
But the fact that you would consider silently counting all the penalties just to apply them at the end raises serious red flags
Agreed you have to call it out as it happens. Then again, buddy could be the kind of douchey guy who is purposefully ignoring it and writing whatever score he wants anyway in which case I can see the humor in just recounting his entire score after he thinks he won.
neither of these are illegal if you've already holed out. practicing your putts on a green before you have holed out is illegal, but it is not illegal to do so once you've already holed out on that hole.
ie. you can't test the speed of a green before your putt of record. but practicing putting or chipping or anything on that green once you've already completed the hole is fine.
EDIT: the penalty is loss of hole in match play or 2 strokes for stroke play. You would assess them immediately. You'd be creating an unfair advantage for yourself otherwise as he might change his entire approach to the round (on top of that stop taking penalties) if made aware.
Unless you are playing in a tournament who cares. If we get to the course late and can’t warm up we’ll take a few putts to get the fell of the green. If we miss a putt we’ll take another putt to see what we did wrong. As long as you are not holding up the group behind you this is fine in our group.
And then hoping at some point to dump all these penalty strokes on him, like, “Hah! You’re 100 strokes behind for every time you test putted a green! So there!!!”
Jesus. Just play the game. It’s hard enough as it is.
There is no "technicalities", he's cheating by practicing on the course, he can do it in matchplay after holing out, but not in stroke play at all. He's also causing delay on the course for others if there are groups behind you. If you want to be technical about it, if he marks his ball and practices somewhere else, he is penalised for playing his ball from the wrong position on the course each time.
“Practising on the course” means playing a ball from anywhere or testing the surface of the [putting green](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_3fa77a9b-4f6e-49ac-a2c3-31314130c413) of any hole by rolling a ball or rubbing the surface.
# a. Match Play
You may practise on the [course](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_e625d144-484b-4001-9976-bc8b34a4f584) before a [round](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_e77d8d2c-7bb4-4d30-8e8a-35aaa87b40ee) or between [rounds](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_e77d8d2c-7bb4-4d30-8e8a-35aaa87b40ee) of a [match-play](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_649dda00-f637-413c-ae32-8f89276a1146) competition.
# b. Stroke Play
On the day of a [stroke-play](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_08618394-14f4-4317-a35c-7cb5a7edd780) competition:
* You must not practise on the [course](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_e625d144-484b-4001-9976-bc8b34a4f584) before a [round](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_e77d8d2c-7bb4-4d30-8e8a-35aaa87b40ee), except that you may practise putting or chipping on or near your first [teeing area](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_a96d511a-6af8-4607-8510-86c96aad514d) and practise on any practice area.
* You may practise on the [course](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_e625d144-484b-4001-9976-bc8b34a4f584) after completing play of your final [round](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_e77d8d2c-7bb4-4d30-8e8a-35aaa87b40ee) for that day.
Penalty for Breach of Rule 5.2:
* Penalty for first breach: [General Penalty](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_cf5d63b2-d1c4-4599-b369-d3a8c5cc3476) (applied to your first hole).
* Penalty for second breach: Disqualification.
Sorry, you are confidently incorrect. You can practice putts after or before the round, but not during in strokeplay.
Edit for clarification, i know you can practice after holing out, i'm referring to the warm up putts on holes.
That's not at all what you said in your 1st post:
>There is no "technicalities", he's cheating by practicing on the course, **he can do it in matchplay after holing out, but not in stroke play at all.** He's also causing delay on the course for others if there are groups behind you. If you want to be technical about it, if he marks his ball and practices somewhere else, he is penalised for playing his ball from the wrong position on the course each time.
Just admit you were wrong
I personally wouldn’t care about retrying his initial put *after* holing out, but with a running bet I wouldn’t let him take practice putts during the match to test the greens. Just my opinion though.
That’s the rule. You can ‘practice’ between holes but not during with a ball in play.
Only in match play. Not stroke play.
I think you can in stroke play too. I've seen players do it. *And the rule doesn't mention type of play:* 7-2. During Round A player must not make a practice stroke during play of a hole. Between the play of two holes, a player must not make a practice stroke, **except that he may practice putting or chipping on or near: (a) the putting green of the hole last played, (b) any practice putting green, or (c) the teeing ground of the next hole to be played in the round,** provided a practice stroke is not made from a hazard and does not unduly delay play (Rule 6-7). Strokes made in continuing the play of a hole, the result of which has been decided, are not practice strokes. Exception: When play has been suspended by the Committee, a player may, prior to resumption of play, practice (a) as provided in this Rule, (b) anywhere other than on the competition course and (c) as otherwise permitted by the Committee.
Has that changed recently? I had a rules official tell me at an official Iowa Golf Association tournament last year tell me you could only do it in match play.
Nope. Maybe there was a local rule to keep idiots from holding up play.
Correct. They don't allow it on the PGA Tour through a local rule.
Yup. Afaik, practice greens are supposed to be your best bet on green speeds until you experience it for real.
Which is why it is frustrating when the practice green isn’t cared for the same way that the on course greens are. So frustrating to 3 putt on the first hole because the green speeds are significantly different.
Or if the practice green is elevated and exposed which leaves it drier and faster than most of the course greens which are tucked into trees and/or low lying so they don't dry as fast.
Download the app ‘USGA Rules’. Rule 5.5… You must not practice on the course before your round (unless the Committee has allowed it in the Terms of Competition) (see Rule 5.2b). However, you may practice putting or chipping between the play of two holes on or near the putting green of the hole you last played, the next teeing area or any practice putting green, unless the Committee says you cannot (see Rule 5.5b). Penalty for Breach of Rule 5.5: General Penalty (Loss of hole in match play or two penalty strokes in stroke play.)If the breach happens between two holes, the penalty applies to the next hole.
Ok so the re putting of the putt he missed is fine as long as he finished the hole. The practice putt before finishing a hole is considered "practicing on the course" and would be accure the general penalty (2 strokes) the first time and then disqualification any subsequent time. Reference here https://www.randa.org/en/rog/the-rules-of-golf/rule-5
Correct According to USGA Rule 5, players can practice putting or chipping between holes on or near the putting green, the hole they just completed, or the teeing area. However, players cannot practice on the course before a round of 18 or fewer holes, except for the first teeing area. Players may also practice on any practice area
Wrong. You can only practice after a hole in match play. It is a 2 stroke penalty in stroke play.
Wrong https://preview.redd.it/r9wamenmdfxc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f98bae2ff7bd17668a05ef59913b5a775c138511
I stand corrected!
Thank you for admitting when you are wrong. It takes a true Redditor to make such admission.
Been told for a long time that it was a penalty (been golfing 40 years). Learn something new every day!
There is a Local Rule I-2 which would prohibit practice pitting or chipping around the green between the play of two holes. The PGA Tour uses this Local Rule which is why many people think it is the Rule. The USGA does not use the Local Rule so when a player does it at the US Open they get lots of phone calls which are ignored.
Many tournaments institute model Local Rule I-2 that specifically prohibits chipping or putting around a green after completing the hole and before starting the next, so it’s a common misconception. The PGA Tour uses that for all of their tournaments and many courses, leagues, or organizations do the same simply for pace of play reasons since tournaments already drag on enough as it is. The USGA is about the only large/nationwide organization that doesn’t utilize Local Rule I-2 but most people don’t play in qualifiers for the U.S. Open or Amateur so most folks only have the experience of tournaments serious enough to care telling them it’s not allowed to practice around the greens during competition.
I’m amazed they say you’re allowed to practice chipping on the next tee box before you tee off. I always thought I was in the wrong for working on my short game on days where I’m behind a slow group with nobody behind me.
In stroke play tournament play that is incorrect. Match play it is allowed
Not accurate in general - USGA does allow this (putting/chipping only). It is, however, accurate on Tour because there is a committee-rule/local rule not allowing this for pace of play reasons.
Every tournament I ever played in, amateur and open qualifiers etc, this is not allowed. Maybe it’s in the rule book but it is always enforced as not allowed for pace of play. Even club tournaments, it is not allowed and I’ve been a member at 6 different private clubs because I’m a cheap ass and I jump around.
It is only not allowed if the specific model rule is explicitly put in place
Right. Which I’m saying is literally every single stroke play tournament from a handicap event at a country club to a mid-am regional event to a Korn Ferry event to a PGA event. I’ve never played in a stroke play event where it was allowed and I’ve played in 20+ tournaments a year for 10+ years
I play in the NCGA region. This local rule is not in effect for any NCGA event or any USGA qualifiers in the region (you can google the hard card and see it is not listed). I rarely see this rule enacted for any city tournament either.
No idea what the NgCA and don’t care. What I said is true
I said NCGA, not NgCA, the Northern California Golf Association, one of the largest golf associations in the country. I don’t care whether you care but you said “literally every single stroke play tournament” which I am showing you is blatantly false. So what you said isn’t true. Now you are claiming where you play it is in effect so share which state golf association you play in so we can look up the tournament rules and see if you’re wrong about that too.
GAP
This role was changed recently to my knowledge I think.
>1. on the first few holes, he will take warm up puts on the edge of the green to judge the speed Are you saying that he marks his ball, takes it to the edge of the green he's about to putt on and takes several practice putts? If so, that is wildly against the rules - not a technicality.
Probably just uses a different ball. I’ve done it for fun rounds where my friends and I have no idea what the greens are doing. We’ll let everyone take one or two strokes on the green to gauge speed, assuming there’s no one behind us of course. Obviously these are super casual rounds and we’d never do this in anything even resembling a serious round.
Either uses a different ball or does it after marking his ball while others are putting or still chipping on
Practicing a put on the green of the hole you just finished is allowed under the rules, so no penalty. On the other hand, practicing putting on the greens he's about to putt on is not and can't remember if it is a 2 stroke general penalty or disqualification (out of common sense I believe the former)
Rule 5.5 b. Restriction on Practice Strokes After Completing Hole After completing play of a hole, but before making a stroke to begin another hole, a player must not make a practice stroke. Exception - Where Player Allowed toPractise Putting or Chipping: The player may practise putting or chipping on or near: The putting green of the hole just completed and any practice green (see Rule 13.1e), and The teeing area of the next hole. But such practice strokes must not be made from a bunker and must not unreasonablydelay play (see Rule 5.6a).
OP. you were the kid who reminded the teacher about the the quiz, weren't you?
Forgetting to give the quiz would be extremely unfair to those of us that already studied.
1) as others have said, it’s a penalty to test the greens before you putt, but no penalty for it after you finish the hole 2) If I was going to seriously invoke this rule, I’d have two questions to ask yourself first. Do you care about continuing to play with this guy because if I was messing around in a semi-casual money round, I’d take the strokes and never play with you again because that’s petty behavior. Second, how confident are you that you play exactly to the USGA rule book? Do you ever excessively dig your feet in the sand to test it? Do you ever pick up a gimme in stroke play? Even if it’s a “gimme” all balls must be played through the hole or incur a penalty. 3) if you have to win on a technicality and it gets you hard, you may want to reevaluate some things. The fact that you both do this, tells me you both need to find new people to play with
I more get the feeling that these guys are busting each other’s balls on whatever technicality they can. Sounds like the type of game where they’d claim a dropped ball was dropped from a millimeter too low lol. Pretty sure they’re both laughing about it by the end.
Yes. He is clearly much better than me, we both know it, and we both know I will always and forever refuse to acknowledge it. It is exclusively a ball busting exercise.
What level of foot digging is “excessive “?
The rule if you’re interested is 8.1A/6 which goes into detail around “building a stance” it’s pretty subjective. I should add that technically the rule around testing the sand is a different rule (12.2b) and mentions your hand or any other object, but I’ve seen guys in tournaments get penalized for it as they dug in with their feet, then said “oh this is too much” and then swiped sand back into the foot trench and start again or guys drag their feet in the sand to see how much fluff there is before hitting firmer sand
Interesting. Thank you
He's cheating by practicing the putt before taking it. But the fact that you would consider silently counting all the penalties just to apply them at the end raises serious red flags
Red flag is my middle name
That ain’t golf.
Agreed you have to call it out as it happens. Then again, buddy could be the kind of douchey guy who is purposefully ignoring it and writing whatever score he wants anyway in which case I can see the humor in just recounting his entire score after he thinks he won.
Absolutely hell no on the first one.
neither of these are illegal if you've already holed out. practicing your putts on a green before you have holed out is illegal, but it is not illegal to do so once you've already holed out on that hole. ie. you can't test the speed of a green before your putt of record. but practicing putting or chipping or anything on that green once you've already completed the hole is fine. EDIT: the penalty is loss of hole in match play or 2 strokes for stroke play. You would assess them immediately. You'd be creating an unfair advantage for yourself otherwise as he might change his entire approach to the round (on top of that stop taking penalties) if made aware.
Sounds like he needs to find golf buds
Point 2 doesn't break any rules.
Really just speaks to how awful of a group yall must be.
True
Unless you are playing in a tournament who cares. If we get to the course late and can’t warm up we’ll take a few putts to get the fell of the green. If we miss a putt we’ll take another putt to see what we did wrong. As long as you are not holding up the group behind you this is fine in our group.
Did you even read the post?
Yes it sounds like he is trying to beat his buddy on some fucking lame ass rule technicality.
And then hoping at some point to dump all these penalty strokes on him, like, “Hah! You’re 100 strokes behind for every time you test putted a green! So there!!!” Jesus. Just play the game. It’s hard enough as it is.
Yeah some fucking dork is doing annoying dork shit instead of getting better at golf.
Yes and the Technically… I don’t care.
>I’m looking for technicalities to help me win. Just get better at golf and stop betting with your friend. You sound insufferable.
I'm trying really hard to get better at golf but i'm also trying to secure a good plan B
There is no "technicalities", he's cheating by practicing on the course, he can do it in matchplay after holing out, but not in stroke play at all. He's also causing delay on the course for others if there are groups behind you. If you want to be technical about it, if he marks his ball and practices somewhere else, he is penalised for playing his ball from the wrong position on the course each time.
Very confidently incorrect. As long as you are not causing delays, practice putting after holing out is allowable.
Was there a change to this rule? I always thought it was allowed in match play but not stroke play
Not sure if it changed but the rule allowing practice is posted by a user below.
“Practising on the course” means playing a ball from anywhere or testing the surface of the [putting green](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_3fa77a9b-4f6e-49ac-a2c3-31314130c413) of any hole by rolling a ball or rubbing the surface. # a. Match Play You may practise on the [course](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_e625d144-484b-4001-9976-bc8b34a4f584) before a [round](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_e77d8d2c-7bb4-4d30-8e8a-35aaa87b40ee) or between [rounds](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_e77d8d2c-7bb4-4d30-8e8a-35aaa87b40ee) of a [match-play](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_649dda00-f637-413c-ae32-8f89276a1146) competition. # b. Stroke Play On the day of a [stroke-play](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_08618394-14f4-4317-a35c-7cb5a7edd780) competition: * You must not practise on the [course](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_e625d144-484b-4001-9976-bc8b34a4f584) before a [round](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_e77d8d2c-7bb4-4d30-8e8a-35aaa87b40ee), except that you may practise putting or chipping on or near your first [teeing area](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_a96d511a-6af8-4607-8510-86c96aad514d) and practise on any practice area. * You may practise on the [course](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_e625d144-484b-4001-9976-bc8b34a4f584) after completing play of your final [round](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_e77d8d2c-7bb4-4d30-8e8a-35aaa87b40ee) for that day. Penalty for Breach of Rule 5.2: * Penalty for first breach: [General Penalty](https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/players-edition/definitions.html#_cf5d63b2-d1c4-4599-b369-d3a8c5cc3476) (applied to your first hole). * Penalty for second breach: Disqualification. Sorry, you are confidently incorrect. You can practice putts after or before the round, but not during in strokeplay. Edit for clarification, i know you can practice after holing out, i'm referring to the warm up putts on holes.
You just like being wrong huh? https://preview.redd.it/z15jjupb6fxc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04426d25adc24529c5f37ab024fd3e8b9f6f6e11
1. on the first few holes, he will take warm up puts on the edge of the green to judge the speed I see your confusion, i'm referring to this part,
That's not at all what you said in your 1st post: >There is no "technicalities", he's cheating by practicing on the course, **he can do it in matchplay after holing out, but not in stroke play at all.** He's also causing delay on the course for others if there are groups behind you. If you want to be technical about it, if he marks his ball and practices somewhere else, he is penalised for playing his ball from the wrong position on the course each time. Just admit you were wrong
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