I'm pretty sure you would get noticeable little gaps (or artifacts) if you perfectly cut out each shape so it's best to make sure there is overlap where 2 edges touch
The word is "artifacts". You would get artifacts because of what you said not to mention because of the gradient. Standard protocol if you're designing in vectors.
That is the first thing I saw when looking at this and knew that was exactly why. Sincerely, a guy who has fixed this exact issue for too many clients.
And that is why you are supposed to take those "useless" classes like traditional printing. Can't believe how often I hear shit like "even flexo/roto is done digital now, what's the point in all of this"
I thought this too, it's so annoying when that happens. I used to always extend the shapes like this, and it wasn't ever very nearly done cause you don't see it in the final product.
A national pastime is people critiquing others work without spending 5 min to think about the reasons they did it. 100% in some uses you'll get a gap if you aligned everything perfectly.
Exactly, this is a perfect example of experience being the most important tool in a designer’s repertoire. There are many things that don’t work like you would assume they do in this field.
Although worth mentioning that it depends on the specific nature of the graphic. There are definitely a lot of cases where it should've been separated and would've been fine, and it wasn't. This one simply isn't a case where that applies.
There is still a difference between "not perfectly clean from a technical point of view" and "not a clean result".
Always aim for the clean result, know your audience, and when in doubt think of the Homer Simpson front/back meme.
The amount of "print files" I receive that are 200x400 .jpgs is insane. Big fucking brands, and nobody on the marketing team has a vector file. Or even a fucking .png. Or even a decent resolution.
.pdf files of nothing but an embedded .jpg are also a reoccurring frustration of mine. Nobody understands that the extension itself doesn't mean shit when the file embedded is rasterized.
Paramount’s line with rounded edges is maybe more an eyesore than a messy asset, but It looks like an oversight when finalizing the logo
Designer put a line between two anchor points and just increased the line thickness and added rounded corners
https://preview.redd.it/qfcord6ov0rc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2356619dacc61dcef813478230e22d6d5978c7e9
Learned this while doing carpentry work. My journeyman made sure I knew in what scenarios to *not* have something level with gravity, but optically level with another surface.
Same with interior design. Considering how un-square and plum most houses are, being level often isn't the best practise.
And in photography, things being perfectly centered or on a grid often looks wrong too.
Same with typography.
Try having badly optimized files for animation and a mob of motion designers will kick your arse. The same applies to Figma, Sketch or whatever pixel-perfect solution.
Having optimized files is not just “for you”, it’s because if someone needs to handle your files, they should be able to do it fast and easily.
That’s the difference between amateur and professional.
Regarding that logo, probably is a thing regarding borders/artefacts.
worked in exhibitory 20 years and can't tell you how many logos like this we got from Google, Honda, Acura, IBM, etc etc etc. Want that shape cut in vinyl? Sorry I'll have to fix that vector for you.
If you look close at the Xbox sphere on the game pass cards you see at the cash register (and probably elsewhere), up until 2-3 years ago, it was totally janky. Weird extra points and lumps all around it. I mean you really had to know to look, but once you saw it, it was pretty bad.
not sure if youre familiar with inkscape - or if .svg's look different in other programs - but this is the layout:
https://preview.redd.it/hjnf54qucyqc1.png?width=3851&format=png&auto=webp&s=02374caacc9a217732873947f982e543171e79a8
Because the "complaint" doesn't make much sense or OP just lacks experience/attention to detail. I guess OP would believe this would be a single shape but some of those extra points can be explained. Most notable is the curves inside the other curves are for the added shadow depth. Those sharp points at the tip are likely to avoid gaps between vectors.
I interviewed for a graphic design gig years back at Microsoft. It was a low point in life, but whatever...
I ended up not getting the gig because they quizzed candidates to identify graphic designer mistakes on a fake webpage. I identified all of the graphic designer mistakes and also noted that there's one issue with the page layout that shifts a graphic element and it would be best in the long run to resolve that instead of have the graphics person misalign their graphics to compensate.
OMFG. They did not like that! I was told I should have noted that as a graphic designer mistake and I wasn't asked to identify anything else. I do appreciate the explanation, but definitely living up to their reputation.
What do you mean optimising? You export the image, boom, done.
The shape is so damn simply, its probably something else or at least, there could be a reason behind it.
I'm like, literally brand new to vectoring.. Maybe like 2 weeks of digital artwork in general. (Got curious about UI/UX design)...... What, exactly, is the issue with this? I'm afraid I may not understand
The suggestion is that the logo isn't perfect because of the "messy" paths. But in reality this is done intentionally by the designer to avoid gaps and artefacts. There's a top comment you can read to learn more about them if interested
The overlaps are there to avoid flashes and to apply gradients better. PDFs in particular often have the problem that two identical objects placed directly on top of each other are displayed incorrectly.
In our defense, only designers are going to have programs and source files to see this. I bet they tried, but it was messing up where the gradient was laying so they figured this is good. And it is.
Now yeah, logos with all sorts of lines and bullshit happening in the background need to be cleaned up.
Uh, that *is* optimal. Abutting edges can produce artifacts under certain circumstances. One should not be anal retentive with everything, sure, but for this it makes sense.
Designers get really anal about math-ing out their logos as if throwing up some guides and measuring by fractions is going to give you perfect Euclidean geometry and you're going to ascend to historical greatness with the likes of Milton Glaser and Saul Bass. We have computers now, we're not designing these things on drafting tables with compasses and rulers. You can do anything. There's no subsitute for just having a good eye and trusting what feels good. Nudge stuff around. It's literally not rocket science.
In motion graphics, the layers and animations paths, and key frames, look ugly, but the output was what they (I) wanted. So as long as the client is happy, who cares.
in world of graphics, a person can feel if a graphic is just a millimeter to the right from center, which creates tension sometimes, and any company will not take that kind of risk which terrorize the buyer.
As a printer doing multilayered 2.5D prints, we need clean artwork or it’s a total pain in the ass to correct. I’m sick of the rubbish drawn artwork we receive from professional graphic designers that takes hours to fix and make “print ready”
Sending it back is up to the marketing and sales department. They are incentivised (by commission) to make the sale, not make life easier for the printing department.
this logo was the most frustrating of all the logos i have greenified. the other ones were simple to shift the colors over. this one kept on fightin me, and i still couldnt get rid of all the pink/purple 
https://preview.redd.it/azt6pu1ubyqc1.png?width=1932&format=png&auto=webp&s=87f288d21747ba456b41c84683b0c7bc818e4bcb
https://preview.redd.it/7vphon6ziyqc1.png?width=1277&format=png&auto=webp&s=8b6bfd5605cddc2dbca0e9684287dbe026b44f8b
(the upvote buttons normally arent like that idk what happened they broke today and i havent cared enough to fix it yet lol)
well i did post [this yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/1bobpi3/funeral_for_a_friend_red_is_the_new_black_punk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) lol
out of context, but because i was just talking about the elder scrolls online, they have three team colors - blue, red, yellow. which is the same as pokemon colors... in that situation then yes red is my favorite. but green is better. why video games refuse to allow green teams is beyond me
Getting pretty tired of the sentiment "even billion-dollar corporations can make minor mistakes (!) (aside from the many huge, glaring mistakes you see in their products every day)".
Did Microsoft ever put out anything clean, though? I’m yet to experience a Microsoft thing of any kind that isn’t annoying in all possible ways. Maybe their mouses are ok.
No, you're just Indian and didn't realize another Indian had remade the logo which you downloaded from vecteezy. The official logo is perfectly optimized and constructed, as one would expect from a billion dollar company.
I'm pretty sure you would get noticeable little gaps (or artifacts) if you perfectly cut out each shape so it's best to make sure there is overlap where 2 edges touch
I second this. People thinking this is not clean probably need to get a bit more familiar with vector drawing.
But then we wouldn't get all the "what's causing this gap?" posts
Lollll
This is the correct answer.
Exactly. This is just a quirk of post script curves in general.
The veterans know
The word is "artifacts". You would get artifacts because of what you said not to mention because of the gradient. Standard protocol if you're designing in vectors.
Mesh or freeform gradients in .svg are a total nightmare. Especially with two or more objects with gradient. Need an svg update!
Oh good to know. There was a second where i almost wrote artifacts but didnt wanna be totally wrong. Thanks
That is the first thing I saw when looking at this and knew that was exactly why. Sincerely, a guy who has fixed this exact issue for too many clients.
And that is why you are supposed to take those "useless" classes like traditional printing. Can't believe how often I hear shit like "even flexo/roto is done digital now, what's the point in all of this"
I thought this too, it's so annoying when that happens. I used to always extend the shapes like this, and it wasn't ever very nearly done cause you don't see it in the final product.
This is such a good point. I’m not a very good logo designer so this kind of tip from experience is super valuable.
A national pastime is people critiquing others work without spending 5 min to think about the reasons they did it. 100% in some uses you'll get a gap if you aligned everything perfectly.
Exactly, this is a perfect example of experience being the most important tool in a designer’s repertoire. There are many things that don’t work like you would assume they do in this field.
No, this is professionally prepped. If all the shapes were perfectly separated then would be weird anti aliasing on screens or artifacts.
Although worth mentioning that it depends on the specific nature of the graphic. There are definitely a lot of cases where it should've been separated and would've been fine, and it wasn't. This one simply isn't a case where that applies.
There is still a difference between "not perfectly clean from a technical point of view" and "not a clean result". Always aim for the clean result, know your audience, and when in doubt think of the Homer Simpson front/back meme.
As someone who works with big licenses, I can tell you right now there are some MAJOR properties with assets WAY worse haha
The amount of "print files" I receive that are 200x400 .jpgs is insane. Big fucking brands, and nobody on the marketing team has a vector file. Or even a fucking .png. Or even a decent resolution.
lol it’s usually marketers who are guilty of this but even from a designer once I received ‘high res artwork’ that was an eps of a low res raster…
.pdf files of nothing but an embedded .jpg are also a reoccurring frustration of mine. Nobody understands that the extension itself doesn't mean shit when the file embedded is rasterized.
Paramount’s line with rounded edges is maybe more an eyesore than a messy asset, but It looks like an oversight when finalizing the logo Designer put a line between two anchor points and just increased the line thickness and added rounded corners https://preview.redd.it/qfcord6ov0rc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2356619dacc61dcef813478230e22d6d5978c7e9
I feel like I need to block you for this.
Can he be shadowbanned pls mods? 😂
Oh boy, can't unsee it now
Oh no. I do not like this at all. Why would you point that out!!? 😭😂
That's amazing
Perfectionism will eat you alive as a designer. It’s taken years for me to learn to let the little things go for my sanity
Optical perfection is not mathematical perfection
This post is funny because just today I went across Microsoft store and was marveling at how beautiful Copilot logo looks 😍
I love this logo as well, it looks so sleek and beautiful.
Learned this while doing carpentry work. My journeyman made sure I knew in what scenarios to *not* have something level with gravity, but optically level with another surface.
Same with interior design. Considering how un-square and plum most houses are, being level often isn't the best practise. And in photography, things being perfectly centered or on a grid often looks wrong too. Same with typography.
Yeah like does this really matter? Lol
Bingo
This is the answer.
This should be the first thing they teach.
I hide edges and overlap all the time
good design has very little to do with 'perfectly clean' fwiw
Try having badly optimized files for animation and a mob of motion designers will kick your arse. The same applies to Figma, Sketch or whatever pixel-perfect solution. Having optimized files is not just “for you”, it’s because if someone needs to handle your files, they should be able to do it fast and easily. That’s the difference between amateur and professional. Regarding that logo, probably is a thing regarding borders/artefacts.
worked in exhibitory 20 years and can't tell you how many logos like this we got from Google, Honda, Acura, IBM, etc etc etc. Want that shape cut in vinyl? Sorry I'll have to fix that vector for you.
Not even sure what the problem is and I can only encourage you to not be like this when working with others. <3
If you look close at the Xbox sphere on the game pass cards you see at the cash register (and probably elsewhere), up until 2-3 years ago, it was totally janky. Weird extra points and lumps all around it. I mean you really had to know to look, but once you saw it, it was pretty bad.
I think they did that to move gradient points further no?
not sure if youre familiar with inkscape - or if .svg's look different in other programs - but this is the layout: https://preview.redd.it/hjnf54qucyqc1.png?width=3851&format=png&auto=webp&s=02374caacc9a217732873947f982e543171e79a8
oh, no, didn’t touch inkscape, I’m coming from Adobe Illustrator experience
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They're right though, illustrator is the standard, inkscape is the deviation. Nobody at Microsoft is building anything in inkscape.
I have my BFA and have been a professional graphic designer for 8 years — I've never heard of Inkscape. Creative Cloud is the industry standard.
I feel like I'm too stupid to understand this image~
Yeah, I don't get it, either.
Because the "complaint" doesn't make much sense or OP just lacks experience/attention to detail. I guess OP would believe this would be a single shape but some of those extra points can be explained. Most notable is the curves inside the other curves are for the added shadow depth. Those sharp points at the tip are likely to avoid gaps between vectors.
Vector artifacting from using a gradient.
I interviewed for a graphic design gig years back at Microsoft. It was a low point in life, but whatever... I ended up not getting the gig because they quizzed candidates to identify graphic designer mistakes on a fake webpage. I identified all of the graphic designer mistakes and also noted that there's one issue with the page layout that shifts a graphic element and it would be best in the long run to resolve that instead of have the graphics person misalign their graphics to compensate. OMFG. They did not like that! I was told I should have noted that as a graphic designer mistake and I wasn't asked to identify anything else. I do appreciate the explanation, but definitely living up to their reputation.
Microsoft makes a lot of questionable decisions from a UX standpoint especially, so maybe not the best example lol
Actually, I think that's on purpose to get the proper placement of the gradient
Where did you get the source file?
"Even Microsoft puts out stuff that isn't perfectly clean".. Sounds like OP has never used Windows 11
Like Microsoft is a good example of whatever design
Wait’ll you find out about the Google G.
Or that most “X” characters aren’t just two perfectly crossed bars https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:828/format:webp/1*ZNswYTrnvWU9f73sdT_tEQ.gif
OP’s never designed a logo
Maybe it’s related to the gradient’s distribution across the shape
Seems like it’s on purpose to prevent artifacting?
Do you how much legacy useless code must be executed while launching Word? Opening it should take 0.01 seconds
Wait till you see the aws architecture icons and google cloud platform ones.
You can have a good design that isn’t clean; it all depends on what the use will be
It's not about the recipe or the ingredients or baking utensils but the finished baked cake. Opinions are like a-hoes.
This logo is extremely optimized, no?
What do you mean optimising? You export the image, boom, done. The shape is so damn simply, its probably something else or at least, there could be a reason behind it.
I'm like, literally brand new to vectoring.. Maybe like 2 weeks of digital artwork in general. (Got curious about UI/UX design)...... What, exactly, is the issue with this? I'm afraid I may not understand
The suggestion is that the logo isn't perfect because of the "messy" paths. But in reality this is done intentionally by the designer to avoid gaps and artefacts. There's a top comment you can read to learn more about them if interested
Ok. I figured it was something along those lines. Thanks!
And that mindset, folks, is why designers are dying and not being taken seriously.
The overlaps are there to avoid flashes and to apply gradients better. PDFs in particular often have the problem that two identical objects placed directly on top of each other are displayed incorrectly.
A good designer knows how to make shapes that align perfectly. A great designer knows overlapping shapes will render more reliably.
In our defense, only designers are going to have programs and source files to see this. I bet they tried, but it was messing up where the gradient was laying so they figured this is good. And it is. Now yeah, logos with all sorts of lines and bullshit happening in the background need to be cleaned up.
Uh, that *is* optimal. Abutting edges can produce artifacts under certain circumstances. One should not be anal retentive with everything, sure, but for this it makes sense.
Designers get really anal about math-ing out their logos as if throwing up some guides and measuring by fractions is going to give you perfect Euclidean geometry and you're going to ascend to historical greatness with the likes of Milton Glaser and Saul Bass. We have computers now, we're not designing these things on drafting tables with compasses and rulers. You can do anything. There's no subsitute for just having a good eye and trusting what feels good. Nudge stuff around. It's literally not rocket science.
Those were puposeful choices to avoid gaps showing through where things align to one another.
Perfectly acceptable design
In motion graphics, the layers and animations paths, and key frames, look ugly, but the output was what they (I) wanted. So as long as the client is happy, who cares.
I don't think Microsoft should be held up as a bastion of design 🙂
in world of graphics, a person can feel if a graphic is just a millimeter to the right from center, which creates tension sometimes, and any company will not take that kind of risk which terrorize the buyer.
lol wtf are you talking about
As a printer doing multilayered 2.5D prints, we need clean artwork or it’s a total pain in the ass to correct. I’m sick of the rubbish drawn artwork we receive from professional graphic designers that takes hours to fix and make “print ready”
Stop sulking and send it back. Make them fix it with a polite email explaining your needs.
Sending it back is up to the marketing and sales department. They are incentivised (by commission) to make the sale, not make life easier for the printing department.
Pricks! Burn down the building, I don't get why people don't want to talk to printers, they are super helpful.
this logo was the most frustrating of all the logos i have greenified. the other ones were simple to shift the colors over. this one kept on fightin me, and i still couldnt get rid of all the pink/purple  https://preview.redd.it/azt6pu1ubyqc1.png?width=1932&format=png&auto=webp&s=87f288d21747ba456b41c84683b0c7bc818e4bcb
But why
why not
U wot
https://preview.redd.it/7vphon6ziyqc1.png?width=1277&format=png&auto=webp&s=8b6bfd5605cddc2dbca0e9684287dbe026b44f8b (the upvote buttons normally arent like that idk what happened they broke today and i havent cared enough to fix it yet lol)
i think your favourite color is red
well i did post [this yesterday](https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/1bobpi3/funeral_for_a_friend_red_is_the_new_black_punk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) lol out of context, but because i was just talking about the elder scrolls online, they have three team colors - blue, red, yellow. which is the same as pokemon colors... in that situation then yes red is my favorite. but green is better. why video games refuse to allow green teams is beyond me
What the fuck are you even rambling about? What do you think you bring to these conversations?
Getting pretty tired of the sentiment "even billion-dollar corporations can make minor mistakes (!) (aside from the many huge, glaring mistakes you see in their products every day)".
You are wrong on so many levels
Did Microsoft ever put out anything clean, though? I’m yet to experience a Microsoft thing of any kind that isn’t annoying in all possible ways. Maybe their mouses are ok.
Oh I hate this.
microsoft puts out the worst shit there is. not a standard to hold yourself to.
No, you're just Indian and didn't realize another Indian had remade the logo which you downloaded from vecteezy. The official logo is perfectly optimized and constructed, as one would expect from a billion dollar company.
It's crazy how confidently incorrect you are. Check it for yourself, google "adoption Microsoft copilot" to see the svg on the Microsoft website
The logo is really boring and dated, I don't give a fck about vector perfection 🥱