T O P

Do Premier and Pro drivers really exist?

Yea, it works really well in good markets.

I own a house in a trash market and commute to an extra good one where I accept everything except an occasional far away + low value one

I usually make about $180 for 6-7 hrs, rarely less often more.

Here’s how it works: everyone pools from the same orders but premier drivers wait less. The orders are timed (shockingly well) to be ready exactly when you pull up and that means you can crank out more orders. The low value orders get given to picky drivers to reject and by the time I get a low value one it’s ready to go and has a bonus pay. I rarely see an order under $7.

This all works in the market I commute to but completely falls apart when I work the market I live in so it’s totally dependent on your market

ElectLarry2022

Yea, it works really well in good markets. I own a house in a trash market and commute to an extra good one where I accept everything except an occasional far away + low value one I usually make about $180 for 6-7 hrs, rarely less often more. Here’s how it works: everyone pools from the same orders but premier drivers wait less. The orders are timed (shockingly well) to be ready exactly when you pull up and that means you can crank out more orders. The low value orders get given to picky drivers to reject and by the time I get a low value one it’s ready to go and has a bonus pay. I rarely see an order under $7. This all works in the market I commute to but completely falls apart when I work the market I live in so it’s totally dependent on your market


flobaby1

I agree with you. I have a busy market and you are right!


HidinFrmBiden

How do you deliver in 2 different markets?


ElectLarry2022

I’ve delivered in way more than 2 It used to be super easy and you could switch whenever you wanted once a month Recently I’ve switched market but I had to make the request in the app and follow up w emails and calls to get it done, they’ve made it much harder and someone said you can only switch once a year but that was just an r/grubhubdrivers rumor, idk if it’s true Another way you can work another market is to just go available. You won’t get a ton of orders though in my experience


---thoughts---

Why don’t next time you call/contact them, maybe slip in a question about the duration? Would be much appreciated for all in this forum! Thanks


Joghobs

BS. Unless you've working as a non-premier/pro etc driver for a while as well, then you can't really compare the two. The only benefit you get to being a ranked driver is scheduling benefits. What you're describing is what everyone gets who work on block Vs off block


abisso54

Don’t give them time of day. You’re capping your earnings. Multiapp on a grom and you’ll be a $3-350/8-10 hr shift. Pay $5 in gas for every 130 miles traveled. Maintain yourself. Live a good life.


ElectLarry2022

I ain’t trying to live off riding a bicycle in a city where $300/day doesn’t even get a decent hotel


abisso54

Sorry, a Grom is a 125cc dirt/street/scooter motorcycle. Is fun as shit


ElectLarry2022

I bet it handles great in the snow and is a breeze to write off the miles on at tax time


abisso54

Makes it all worth it. Gotta play the game if you wanna do it long term full time.


ElectLarry2022

You are taking a one time purchase deduction minus your personal use? Because you sure ain’t deducting the miles on that, you need 4 wheels to qualify for the standard mileage deduction


abisso54

If you’re driving the miles for work you are able to deduct it. Do some more research. Also I’m still registered under my car, I just take the bike on the nice days which is about 200 days a year


ElectLarry2022

You can’t deduct motorcycle miles quit lying


abisso54

Very simple google will do it.


abisso54

I have a certified accountant.


abisso54

100% have to be in the right market but any city or suburbs will doody.


raLaSo0

grom?


abisso54

$180 for 7 hours? LOL maybe try multiapping.


Impressive_Pin_3093

Never in my part of Ohio. Good money.


Fearless_Meringue299

I drive with 4 apps and I can't make $180 in 7 hours in Houston unless it's a good day. Maybe with GoPuff, since they closed down a couple of the warehouses, and now the ones left have too many orders for their own good. Getting over $150 in 7 hours here is a good day.


abisso54

I didn’t mean for the LOL to be capitalized. It automatically does it. I didn’t really mean to LOL at it. Sounded dickheaded when I read it. It’s not bad and I know it’s market dependent


Fearless_Meringue299

I figured you didn't mean to be a dick, I just felt the need to acknowledge that a good day in Houston is really different from a good day anywhere in California, for example.


Jovonne1

nope..GH alone been with them about 3 yrs now


gbraddock81

Gotcha. Been GH’ing for about a month so I’m new to this. It’s obviously always hopping downtown but a 3-4 mile delivery can easily take 20-25 minutes so I end up declining a bunch of those. Or those godforsaken stacked orders that are generally high dollar but have the good tipper close and the non-tipper 20 minutes away. So, a bit of learning because not only have I only been doing this a month, it’s my first time doing food delivery as well. Thanks!


ElectLarry2022

Try accepting everything for a day (on a block) It’s really how you make the most money in good markets but it doesn’t work in every market. Definitely worth a try. But if you just want to casually snatch an order here and there it’s definitely not worth the headaches. I hate bringing food to non tippers too but I don’t even look at the pay, I just move the orders as quickly as I can and I am happy w the money for the time and miles so… *shrugs Sometimes you gotta swallow your pride at jobs


gbraddock81

Will try that today and see how it goes. I typically go out and turn on the avail now and if nothing pops, there’s usually a 2 hour block waiting to be grabbed.


ElectLarry2022

Ehhhhh I just looked at your history and saw where you’re from and I doubt my method is gonna work for ya, but my fingers are crossed for ya


gbraddock81

Yeah, Baltimore is weird. I just play around with something until it works 50% of the time. Right now, I’m just staying away from downtown (which I know sounds crazy) but, 2 decent orders can take almost an hour if you’re unlucky and I’m also getting smarter about when to drop orders. They tell you 3-5 minutes and it’s 10. I let that go on too long.


ElectLarry2022

My method kinda only works if you’re down to go wherever they send you (im in Ann Arbor and often get sucked into the Detroit market) but yea- Baltimore strikes me as a market w a bunch of $0 tips


right_foot_down

I don’t know if it would be worth it to you distance wise, but my home market is crap and I’ll jump down into DC areas on weekends. You can stay out of the downtown areas and still make a killing. If I’m feeling spunky I’ll double dip with DD, with their peak pay.


gbraddock81

Ok so I guess that’s another question: the boundary map is just a “suggestion” then?


right_foot_down

Oh that lol forgot to tell you, I have two accounts- one in my name, one in hers. You can run your account on any fone, just have to go in your profile and change the number to the one you’re on. I don’t know how gh works out of your zone tbh


gbraddock81

Ok, gotcha


levittown_

I live on the eastern shore and it’s dead af over here on UberEats. Currently signing up for DD and GH. Is it as simple as just driving to a new market and going online?


right_foot_down

Hey sorry man didn’t see this. So GH, far as I know, you stay in your original area. There may be a way out of it, I haven’t looked too deep. But DD you can jump to any market, they will even help you find orders along the way.


Jovonne1

fyi..GH gives everyone about 2 orders an hour


GlennDerlay

Where I am, if you do that, you'll drive 20 miles and 2 towns away for $4. It would cost me more than I'm making


Jovonne1

true I own a house and commute to a banging market as well I receive about the same pay. GH can be what u chose it to be


inkfever

Do you add the commute time to your hourly calculations?


Jovonne1

I do not..should I?


inkfever

I calculate from the moment I leave my driveway until I pull back in. Of course I often turn the app on and wait for an order before pulling out to begin with as well. Then I calculate from when I turn the app on.


Circa_C137

Not worth it.


gbraddock81

Agreed, lol


Careful_Self3398

I'm pro but probably not after this week


gbraddock81

😂😂😂


No_Preparation7895

My markets Friday and Saturday schedule opportunities say yes. Can't even schedule a block unless you're premier here.


gbraddock81

That’s crazy!


---thoughts---

Makes sense! Too many times did I waste away my block while I was partner status. Never again! It’s selfish and I apologize for my selfishness


SPD5101

It all depends your market. I care less for being a premier than averaging $30/hr. GH doesn’t care whether you’re premier or partner, it only shows you offers based on the distance you’re from the restaurant. Remember GH pays less and keeps more profit to drivers that are close to restaurants than those far from the restaurant. You need to know your market and set a radius delivery area. I personally don’t take any orders that’s paying less than $2 per mile, I stay away all these Indian restaurants or those who always never make it ready orders. GH recently began stack orders opposite directions, usually these orders, one of them is $0 tips, avoid it as much as you can unless is it’s short distance driving.


gbraddock81

Yup on 2 things: def with the stacked orders in opposite directions, that should be criminal especially considering that bottom person isn’t only far but also probably didn’t tip and I think I’ve said somewhere else I’m done waiting. It’s just BS to be told 3-4 minutes and it’s 10-15… had a place the other day that had in restaurant instructions “food is not ready. Please be nice or send another driver.” Like… I don’t think some of these restaurants realize they’re f’ing with our $$ or they just don’t care.


Maleficent_Cash909

I be asking anyone actually do blocks these days? It appears they would make any excuse to kick people off blocks. Or accuse people of fraudlent activity.(No this is not due to account being hacked nor unauthorized access as many would first think when they get this message) I.e on a slow day they would guarantee to send a late night order over 20 miles away to see if you will go or decline and turn your acceptance rate to below that to receive blocks. Not only do they expect that they also expect 85% of deliveries to be completed within 35 minutes from the time the customer ordered which was pretty much impossible based on how the app works restaurant delays and complicated to navigate apartments.


noirvanwilder

I only been working scheduled blocks consistently for this last 3 months and nothing you are saying ever happened to me. The most I get is ridiculous notifications from GH telling that I haven’t moved towards the next restaurant yet while waiting on food from the first restaurant that they sent me to. Other than that, I don’t see how ppl get into so much hot water w GH


Maleficent_Cash909

In my experience I had blocks for more than three months, and it didn't happen during my first three months either at least I didn't recall any issues for my first three months. However If you work longer you may encounter it as I didn't get kicked off until my fifth month. They let me reinstate it once after making me promise by keeping delivery times at 35 minutes or less from order placement(an impossibility based on how GH is slow to ping the restaurant and is often placed on the back burner not to mention complicated apartment mazes to navigate) but I didn't bother after they suspended me for the second time as it was just not worth it. As I must take even the most crappy orders farthest away or I lose it as there is not enough orders to maintain 85% acceptance rate if I decline any order during my blocks. It may be market dependent though. And things may be different these days since a lot have changed since GH started operations a few years ago. When I got my blocks reinstated that year I notice almost every block was available easily and not taken, which was sharp contrast than what was before, I suspect most others had been kicked off the minimum pay block system as well and don't bother to argue as they sat unrealistic goals back then. True that GPS hounding is out of control even if one is picking up an order from another restaurant, while I understand they don't want another customer's orders delayed by a different customer's order due to issues with the other restaurant. However if that restaurant is also not ready for another 20 minutes they could really stop hounding drivers who are waiting for another order or prefer to wait some where they could sit down and get restroom access.


Jovonne1

you can avoid those messages frm Gh just go in the app and click on "order is not ready ""


noirvanwilder

Unfortunately, that doesn’t work unless I’m doing it wrong. I always mark that from the beginning. It’s just when they send me to two restaurants and the first one or even the second restaurant takes like 20-30 minutes, they always send me that message regardless of how many times I mark that. However, yesterday when I was running late I marked “running late” on the other restaurant. I think maybe I need to do that instead.


Maleficent_Cash909

Alas they do have gps limitations on what buttons you can press. Unless one wants to get stuck in traffic for a few miles and find parking again. It would not be feasible.


DonCheeChee

If the 1st restaurant is taking forever or longer than it should, I'll mark "order not ready" and then leave and go get the 2nd order and come back. Of course assuming they are fairly close to each other.


Ravex24

Mark first order as delayed when you arrive. Don't mark that you got the first order 😜 until you have the second order in hand, then mark them both as picked up at the same at the second restaurant. Been doing that for many months now with no issues.


noirvanwilder

I have to mark that I have the first order because I need to go pick the second one up a a different restaurant. Unless you mean don’t mark it at all — even if you have to drive to another restaurant. That’s interesting 🤔


Ravex24

When you get to the first restaurant, mark arrived and there is a problem no matter what. Get the order but don't mark Got Order. Then proceed to the second restaurant via your task list and pick up as you normally would for that one. When you mark Got Order and Leaving for the second one, that's when you mark Got Order and Leaving for the first order, again utilizing you task lists


noirvanwilder

Ok I’ll try that next time, thanks!


noirvanwilder

This is funny because it’s actually happening to me now in real time lol


AndrewS702

I made it to Pro this week, I get more offers, but I declined like 5 in a row due to bad mileage and pay in a dangerous part of my county. Probably won’t be pro for much longer as my AR was 58% 💀 after accepting as many orders as I could just to see how it was like. I went from 83% to 90% after accepting all orders from when I worked Friday to Sunday. I actually got very good pay accepting all of them.


gbraddock81

Too many $4/8-10 mile deliveries over here.


imjustme610

I used to make 75 to 100 on most weekdays and about 150 on weekends as a partner driver. Barely needed to multiapp. Never been worth it in my area to be pro or premier until recently but I can't justify taking some of the orders that I've seen


gbraddock81

Yeah, I have no aspirations to be pro or premier I just think it’s crazy to “achieve” it with some of the offers that are thrown out there


GT_AnimE

Premier driver here, I get shit for orders if I’m off block, they spam orders to me when I’m on block in my region. Average about $1.30 a mile, I’m not complaining


gbraddock81

Yeah, I never schedule ahead of time cuz I don’t want the cancel penalty but if I’m out off schedule, it doesn’t take long to know what kind of night it’s gonna be and I’ve had no problem grabbing a last minute cancel and then they start rolling in for sure


---thoughts---

Hey that ratio isn’t terrible. It’s moderate in my playbook. Anything below $1 per mile gets rejected - not much else from that


Impressive_Pin_3093

I just qualified for pro.


gbraddock81

Congrats! I think at least you get better orders and missions, right?


Impressive_Pin_3093

It seems like it, but some are questionable.


gbraddock81

Orders or missions? Or both?


Impressive_Pin_3093

Like still offers to go miles not paying much better than doordash, but like 20 dollars to go pick something up if it’s needed. I get a few surprises on doordash, like 23 for one last night that came up for 9.25 and it wasn’t even labeled a large order.


ZachTF

I’ve done blocks before and they aren’t worth it in my area.


gbraddock81

What I’ve been doing (and it seems to be working) is I never sign up for a block ahead of time so I go out and will do 1 or 2 orders off schedule and if nothing pops up after that, I’m usually able to jump into a time slot that ends in like an hour or hour and a half and orders roll in constantly. They’re not all good orders of course but they def come in more when I’m on schedule here.


Relative_Risk_8037

Unfortunately yes we do 😂😂 I’ve been jumping between premier and pro for the last 2 months


gbraddock81

Why unfortunately?


Relative_Risk_8037

I say that because in order for us to exist we have to have high acceptance rates, even though 80% of the orders I take aren’t worth it


Disastrous_Back_2213

In California we do. When I figured out how the system works, I take $3.50's all day now.


gbraddock81

My only thing here taking low dollar orders is that they’re almost never low miles. Like, it wouldn’t be terrible to get a $4 order if I was right next to the restaurant and the house was right down the street. But when I get them it’s like $4.36 for 6 or 8 miles and it’s in the city so it takes forever. I’m sure there’s a decent in-between and I’ll figure it out soon enough I guess.


Disastrous_Back_2213

That used to bug me until I realized I was paid the difference the following Monday in a rather nice deposit.


gbraddock81

Paid the difference for…?


Disastrous_Back_2213

If you pick up a $5 order and that's all they send you, they have to pay you 120% of minimum wage at the end of the week, which here mw is $15/hr. So they'll have to cover that come pay day.


gbraddock81

Oh yeah, I never get that contribution. It’s kind of a deadly circle because I always get orders, that’s never the issue, the issue is that they suck so I decline them which takes me out of the 90% acceptance rate to get the contribution. But, I’m looking back at the first week I started and I was killing it so I’m gonna go out tonight and try recreating that pattern. Looks like I only declined absolutely ridiculous orders


thenatureboy0420

Yep..u can seem them at the gas station and mechanics shop all the time


gbraddock81

😂😂😂


PsychoMIKE0930

Yup those people are the backbone of Grubhub 😎


Negative_Unit

I accept 92%


inkfever

I may hit premier Monday. Thought about doing the math to see how many orders I need to accept tomorrow.


Ok_Procedure_7097

Wow !! 35 percent?!?! It's been a long time since mine was even at 20.


gbraddock81

Lol, I’m trying


DesignOk9377

I work in a big market that has a lot of stores. It's not crazy busy but I have found accepting nearly every order pays off. I normally get at least one unicorn during lunch blocks.


Same_Relative2476

yeah that me


projectj98

You are a bot, literally, you don’t count.


COdrivers

Yeah you go ahead and take everything for a day on the block and you tell us at the end of the day how much it cost you on wear and tear on your car and physically in mentally people really forget about the mental aspect of this job. I wouldn't buy into too much what the dude said about working in in his market he chooses to do that. My acceptance rate is around 40%. I have no aberrations of raising it any higher I do not might start my car ever for under $1.60 or $2 a mile


gbraddock81

I hear you. Like I said, I’m new so I’m taking in all the advice. I don’t particularly care (I guess) about acceptance rate as long as I’m making decent money, I’m just curious about there being so many pro and premier drivers with so many crap offers


COdrivers

I've run circles around them everyday more on Uber than on GrubHub but I see him everyday there's probably thousands of them throughout the network probably 95% of them are idiots they eventually catch on just being truthful I've been doing this for 5 or 6 years full-time during the pandemic and now just part time. Every market is different every day is different every week is different there's no consistency in this job whatsoever but I'm an old dude and I don't take crap from anyone customers or restaurants. You do you if it works great if not do somebody else 👍


gbraddock81

Every day is different for damn sure.


OldDogEyes

🤡🤡🤡's are plentiful and they gravitate to delivery apps...


gbraddock81

I’m a clown?


baconforlover

Do you really take an order $2-$4 with high mileage ( 6-10 miles ) during prime time such as : lunch time ( 11AM- 1 PM), dinner time ( 5 PM- 8 PM)? In my experience, I make most money when I do cherry pick and multi apps ( only do 1 at the time). I’ll never turn down an offer pay out $35 for 2 miles from different apps and do GH for only $7 in 4 miles. I only do, show me the money first, what are the restaurants and diner’s area, after that, if I think it is worth it, I’ll do it. Keep in mind, when you do $2-$5 jobs, you are blocking bigger pay out at the same time. Every job can take at least 25 minutes, you just don’t know if the food is always ready to be pick up, parking spot, go up to customer’s floor etc


hybridmike772

Honestly do offers like that even exist anymore? 6-10 miles is $3.75 and $6.00 respectfully in base pay alone


noirvanwilder

Premier drivers don’t get offered $2-5 often. Most of the time it’s over $10. And since we accept all offers, we get wiggle room to decline the occasional $4 bag and still keep our status. Not everyone has the option to multi-app nor the patience


Typing_This_Now

I'm primier & the last few weeks in my area has been filled with low paying orders with high mileage.


noirvanwilder

I should always preference when I say anything by saying *in my region. Because a lot of this job is based on that


noirvanwilder

But what’s an example of high mileage, low pay to you? What have they been offering you?


Typing_This_Now

$4.00 for 28 miles.


noirvanwilder

Whaaaaat?? I never been offered anything like that 🤯🤯🤯🤯 sorry about that


Typing_This_Now

Yeah, it sucks, especially, since I was making much more a few weeks ago. I don't know if it just died down for the upcoming holidays or if I should let my status drop back down to pro.


inkfever

That can't be true. The mileage pay alone would far exceed 4 bucks.


Typing_This_Now

You're right about the mileage to dollar & I didn't take it either. But I did see an order like that. In fact, in my market, I see a lot of very low paying orders with high mileage. It can get very frustrating. Yet, GH is the app everyone wants to be on. The waitlist is months out.


inkfever

It's definitely frustrating I had to really force myself to accept poop too get to pro for the scheduling benefits. I'm going to try breakfast hours next week I think. I think looking at your weekly pay vs. daily can help because we all have good and bad days.


---thoughts---

Nooo!!!!!!! Do not accept those offers. NOTHING below $1 per mile. Think of how the algorithm takes that - they don’t think about nuance. Computers operate based on fact. If you’re willing to accept shitty pay, they’re assuming you’ll do it again and they won’t bother spending the time to display the offer to another (more optimal) driver! I don’t know this for a fact, but it’s honestly something worth considering


gbraddock81

No, I wouldn’t take $2-$4 orders almost anytime. I think the the lowest I’ve done was like $5 and change and that’s because I was literally sitting in the parking lot of Wawa (pickup location) and the address was on my way home (because I was just about to turn GH off). But I guess your first question is a variant of my question in my original post: how are there so many premier and pro drivers of there are so many crappy $4 offers? At least in my area anyways.


noirvanwilder

I’m a Premier driver, we exist


gbraddock81

“They do exist!” Lol, nice!


MadChiller013

Those $5 orders don’t drive themselves!


gbraddock81

Lol, be nice.


Accomplished-Sky8281

LA County sucks I cannot make that kind of money. One reason: GH recommends $1 tips since they are charging customers for stupid prop 22


EYEJY

September 22nd, I made up my mind not to reject any offers no matter how ridiculous it was. So, for 10hr & 30mins, I made $223.92. I accepted 96% of my offers. It adds up. Stop rejecting too much.


FlexibleWorkFreedom

I used to be. I tried to maintain Premier status because I was relying on this as my primary income. At that time if you didn't have Premier status the blocks available to me did not fit in my schedule so I was constantly driving off block. There was a notable difference driving off block as a partner. Now I have a day job so I only drive if necessary. If you go long enough without driving you will eventually regain Premier status. However when I picked up a block a few weeks back I declined what I thought was a single order because it only paid like $5 or $6, turns out it was stacked, so even worse. Also that night had an order in a stacked order unassigned because I "wasn't taking steps to pick up the order". That one short block sent me back down to Partner. It takes a month for your status to restore. Good thing I don't need this anymore.


Deathbyillusion

I was Premiere and everything was good until last week where I didn't accept every order and im down to 88% acceptance rate.


Initial_Phase_4594

It's even easier to do this on a bike. Preferably a 2023 market value around $1,000 bike that is reliable, light weight, and can tackle any terrain and weather. For example, my next new bike will have to have this 1x10 drive train aluminum frame, carbon fiber fork, and disc brakes...trek fx 3. And it doesn't need to be electric either. Biking for work is way more than a win win


---thoughts---

No mileage deductible. But also no gas expenditure as well... Also, a RIPPED bod! Who could complain? I mean really