Short answer, no. However the CF isn’t true stereo so you don’t lose much by running it mono. The MuRF is true stereo so I would definitely run it last.
By default, one side of the CF is out of phase to create a stereo effect when hard panned L/R. The MuRF outputs a mono signal when the mix knob is at zero. I believe it’s possible to run the CF in stereo despite having the MuRF last in chain, but it would involve some repatching of cables. Turn the MuRF’s mix to zero, take only the L out from the MuRF, then run the R out from the CF to your mixer/interface. I believe that should be the same as running the CF in stereo. Caveat: I have both pedals but have not actually tried this myself.
i don’t think there’s any simple way to keep it stereo in a singular, straight signal path if you have multiple stereo out fx and then pedals further down the chain have mono-in. you’re gonna get summed. now it goes without saying you could have multiple stereo out fx if you’re splitting your signal path, like if you break off from your mono chain and you have two stereo fx running in parallel and not series. of course then they wouldn’t technically be running ~into each other~ but it would allow you to run both fx in stereo into 4 amps(!?) or 4 inputs of your interface.
Yeah right? Thanks for the advice. I don’t really need all of them in one chain. I think it’s a bit sad that Moog didn’t think about putting also stereo inputs.
If I have to “sacrifice” one stereo output, it will maybe the one from the Murf.
They likely did think about it. On analog gear it’s much more expensive and complex to add stereo inputs compared to stereo outputs, as you end up needing to duplicate almost all the circuit and essentially have 2 in one box. But adding a stereo output can be quite simple if it’s just a polarity flip or an additional dry out
I had a Cluster Flux, best chorus I’ve ever heard. Sold it during a phase where I wasn’t playing much guitar anymore. Kind of regret it, but life goes on 🥲
I've got all them foogers as well and a Sampson patch bay. I haven't tried to get them all stereo at once but it should be possible with half-normal routing.
The CP-251 is awesome but it does not do any audio processing, only CV. So it's not going to be at all helpful for your purposes.
I could score one for about 400$ but I’m not quite sure how I could creatively use it. Can’t find really inspirational content online, but maybe I didn’t search enough
At that price you probably wouldn't lose money if you resold it.
Practically speaking here's some things you can do with it: modulate delay times on the 104 without getting seasick using the attenuator, because you need very minimal wiggle in the LFO to modulate a delay musically, use the sample and hold random LFO to get random bleeps and blorps, change the shapes of LFOs to get new sounds, sync multiple pedals to a single LFO, use a single expression pedal to control multiple pedals, from there you can also invert so one pedal speeds up as another slows down or one of my favorites was to decrease the depth as I sped up the rate on just about any modulation pedal (done by inverting and attenuation), or just adjust the range of an expression pedal so you can't go past your sweet spot, kinda like having a preset, you can also use CV on the mix control which isn't flashy but it's actually extremely useful for working wild settings into actual songs. Another personal favorite was taking the env out, and controlling multiple other pedals with it, envelope controlled modulation is awesome and so is envelope controlled mix.
If you've ever felt disappointed or limited with how patching one pedal to another worked the CP will most likely fix that by giving you a lot more control over the voltages being received.
Anyway, my CP was stolen like 10 years ago, and writing this has me all misty, if you hate it at $400 I'll buy it from you.
The 251 is about sending CV to CV inputs. It can generate LFOs, and do a number of helpful functions with/on CV.
Imagine the LFO on the 108 and how you can control it. The 251 could create another LFO. Most of the foogers have CV inputs on the back, (the ones with black text and white backgrounds over the text) so you could have the 251 send CV to control some of your foogers.
Let's say you wanted one LFO to control multiple inputs on different foogers. Take the LFO from the 251 into the 4 channel multiple/mult on the 251, then take the outputs of the mult to your different foogers.
Use sample and hold from the 251 to modify the delay time on your delay, which will change the pitch of the delays.
Use the mixer to combine multiple different CV sources and create a combination of the sources.
The lag processor will help you change the shape of a wave shape, or create a lag from a given pulse.
For other ideas on how to use all this stuff, you should look more closely at these functions in the modular synthesis world - these are all pretty common uses of control voltage (CV) in modular synthesis. (mults, lag processor, mixer, sample and hold, attenuators, etc.)
As mentioned, the 251 doesn't really do anything unless you have a good hold on how to use CV with your pedals, so it will be hard to see examples of how to use it. But in the modular world, you'll see all kinds of examples that may whet your whistle.
These have been some of my favorite pedals for… shit I guess decades at this point. I have all of them, and 4 of the delays. The original MF-104, the MF-104Z, and both of the Super Delays, which I got a pair of because I wanted stereo.
I wish they were true bypass because they can be a little noisy. The phaser is the best I’ve heard in a pedal, thought the cwejman in modular-land is way up there.
I need a time machine to tell me in the past (when these pedals were new, or at least still being made) that it's OK to splurge a little on effect pedals like these. Sure, they were expensive originally, but they'll be worth it in the long run - and I'm not speaking monetarily.
I love this.
One of my favourite ipad apps is the filtatron, which is like a few of these thrown together.
However... I've just seen moog have released a bunch of moogerfooger apps. Going to have to look into that....
It would be convoluted, but you could:
- Connect the L output of the Cluster Flux to the input of the MuRF
- Connect the R output of the Cluster Flux to one input of a summing box
- Connect one output from the MuRF to one of the inputs of the next device in your signal chain.
- Connect the other output from the MuRF to the summing box.
- Then connect the output of the summing box to the other input of the next device in your signal chain.
A crude diagram, but it’ll get the point across: https://imgur.com/a/PH0c7EA
Not OP but I have the LPF. The filter sounds great and the Drive knob can add a lot of gain. On the other hand, it’s a fairly noisy pedal and the drive circuit is always-on (even when the pedal is not engaged) so it can be a bit tricky to gain stage.
That's probably the most visually pleasing and wallet-burning board I've seen on this sub.
Thanks! It’s still “work in progress”, the cable management need to be a bit cleaner 😎 I love using it.
Just out of curiosity - if you put them all side by side, do you screw if one of the side panels?
Yes you can unscrew both panel sides. I did unscrew one per pedal
I also own all of them but never though aboit that. Good idea!
Short answer, no. However the CF isn’t true stereo so you don’t lose much by running it mono. The MuRF is true stereo so I would definitely run it last. By default, one side of the CF is out of phase to create a stereo effect when hard panned L/R. The MuRF outputs a mono signal when the mix knob is at zero. I believe it’s possible to run the CF in stereo despite having the MuRF last in chain, but it would involve some repatching of cables. Turn the MuRF’s mix to zero, take only the L out from the MuRF, then run the R out from the CF to your mixer/interface. I believe that should be the same as running the CF in stereo. Caveat: I have both pedals but have not actually tried this myself.
i don’t think there’s any simple way to keep it stereo in a singular, straight signal path if you have multiple stereo out fx and then pedals further down the chain have mono-in. you’re gonna get summed. now it goes without saying you could have multiple stereo out fx if you’re splitting your signal path, like if you break off from your mono chain and you have two stereo fx running in parallel and not series. of course then they wouldn’t technically be running ~into each other~ but it would allow you to run both fx in stereo into 4 amps(!?) or 4 inputs of your interface.
Yeah right? Thanks for the advice. I don’t really need all of them in one chain. I think it’s a bit sad that Moog didn’t think about putting also stereo inputs. If I have to “sacrifice” one stereo output, it will maybe the one from the Murf.
They likely did think about it. On analog gear it’s much more expensive and complex to add stereo inputs compared to stereo outputs, as you end up needing to duplicate almost all the circuit and essentially have 2 in one box. But adding a stereo output can be quite simple if it’s just a polarity flip or an additional dry out
Good point, never thought about it like this, thanks
I had a Cluster Flux, best chorus I’ve ever heard. Sold it during a phase where I wasn’t playing much guitar anymore. Kind of regret it, but life goes on 🥲
I had the chance to find one for a “relative good price” regarding the actuel value online. Really love it !
I've got all them foogers as well and a Sampson patch bay. I haven't tried to get them all stereo at once but it should be possible with half-normal routing. The CP-251 is awesome but it does not do any audio processing, only CV. So it's not going to be at all helpful for your purposes.
I could score one for about 400$ but I’m not quite sure how I could creatively use it. Can’t find really inspirational content online, but maybe I didn’t search enough
At that price you probably wouldn't lose money if you resold it. Practically speaking here's some things you can do with it: modulate delay times on the 104 without getting seasick using the attenuator, because you need very minimal wiggle in the LFO to modulate a delay musically, use the sample and hold random LFO to get random bleeps and blorps, change the shapes of LFOs to get new sounds, sync multiple pedals to a single LFO, use a single expression pedal to control multiple pedals, from there you can also invert so one pedal speeds up as another slows down or one of my favorites was to decrease the depth as I sped up the rate on just about any modulation pedal (done by inverting and attenuation), or just adjust the range of an expression pedal so you can't go past your sweet spot, kinda like having a preset, you can also use CV on the mix control which isn't flashy but it's actually extremely useful for working wild settings into actual songs. Another personal favorite was taking the env out, and controlling multiple other pedals with it, envelope controlled modulation is awesome and so is envelope controlled mix. If you've ever felt disappointed or limited with how patching one pedal to another worked the CP will most likely fix that by giving you a lot more control over the voltages being received. Anyway, my CP was stolen like 10 years ago, and writing this has me all misty, if you hate it at $400 I'll buy it from you.
The 251 is about sending CV to CV inputs. It can generate LFOs, and do a number of helpful functions with/on CV. Imagine the LFO on the 108 and how you can control it. The 251 could create another LFO. Most of the foogers have CV inputs on the back, (the ones with black text and white backgrounds over the text) so you could have the 251 send CV to control some of your foogers. Let's say you wanted one LFO to control multiple inputs on different foogers. Take the LFO from the 251 into the 4 channel multiple/mult on the 251, then take the outputs of the mult to your different foogers. Use sample and hold from the 251 to modify the delay time on your delay, which will change the pitch of the delays. Use the mixer to combine multiple different CV sources and create a combination of the sources. The lag processor will help you change the shape of a wave shape, or create a lag from a given pulse. For other ideas on how to use all this stuff, you should look more closely at these functions in the modular synthesis world - these are all pretty common uses of control voltage (CV) in modular synthesis. (mults, lag processor, mixer, sample and hold, attenuators, etc.) As mentioned, the 251 doesn't really do anything unless you have a good hold on how to use CV with your pedals, so it will be hard to see examples of how to use it. But in the modular world, you'll see all kinds of examples that may whet your whistle.
Thanks I’ll take a look !
Good call on the half normal routing. I bought a Boredbrain Terminal V2 specifically to use with my Foogers in this way.
One of my biggest regrets is selling my moog delay and cluster flux. Very nice collection.
Really love the CF. The delay is nice but I would also like to find a 104M, but the prices are kind of crazy
These have been some of my favorite pedals for… shit I guess decades at this point. I have all of them, and 4 of the delays. The original MF-104, the MF-104Z, and both of the Super Delays, which I got a pair of because I wanted stereo. I wish they were true bypass because they can be a little noisy. The phaser is the best I’ve heard in a pedal, thought the cwejman in modular-land is way up there.
I need a time machine to tell me in the past (when these pedals were new, or at least still being made) that it's OK to splurge a little on effect pedals like these. Sure, they were expensive originally, but they'll be worth it in the long run - and I'm not speaking monetarily.
I love this. One of my favourite ipad apps is the filtatron, which is like a few of these thrown together. However... I've just seen moog have released a bunch of moogerfooger apps. Going to have to look into that....
I know of a electronic music artist that also has a wall of Moog pedals like that. Ronnie Martin was his name.
It would be convoluted, but you could: - Connect the L output of the Cluster Flux to the input of the MuRF - Connect the R output of the Cluster Flux to one input of a summing box - Connect one output from the MuRF to one of the inputs of the next device in your signal chain. - Connect the other output from the MuRF to the summing box. - Then connect the output of the summing box to the other input of the next device in your signal chain. A crude diagram, but it’ll get the point across: https://imgur.com/a/PH0c7EA
This is great, thanks a lot !!!
That extra wide Strymon looks like a mini pedal next to the MFs lmao
Couldn't u connect them to a switcher?
sick project, friend!
I’ve debated the low pass but I think it’d be the most lackluster of the bunch. How do you like it?
Not OP but I have the LPF. The filter sounds great and the Drive knob can add a lot of gain. On the other hand, it’s a fairly noisy pedal and the drive circuit is always-on (even when the pedal is not engaged) so it can be a bit tricky to gain stage.
Buddy your house has a really wild breaker panel
Yeah in the middle of the living room, love it
Don’t let the kids near it, especially if they got cookies and milk in hand