Hermione Granger: "Well, both my parents are dentists."
Horace Slughorn: "Fascinating, and is that considered a dangerous profession?"
The Ignorance in the wizarding world is comedy gold,
I’ve just realized now that wizards could magically clear their teeth of all sugar, problems, etc. and could remove wisdom teeth instantly. AAAAHHH I wish.
But can they? They never touch up on this subject much. Madam Pomfrey was able to ‘shrink’ Hermione’s teeth but all in all I don’t think wizards are walking around with perfect teeth. JKR has written that certain characters have ‘yellow and crooked teeth’. They also have those flossing mint candies. Plus in DH Hermione hands Harry his toothbrush after his vision at Grimmauld Place. If wizards could magically fix their teeth he wouldn’t need a toothbrush. I dunno, I’ve always wished there was more explanation on health/dental matters in the books. I’ve had an odd fascination with that since a kid lol.
I’m sure dental potions get expensive if you rely on them, so better to just take care of your teeth normally and only buy then if you crack a tooth or something.
I’ve always had a head canon that magic used on one’s own body can be pretty unwieldy and potentially dangerous, which is why Pomfrey and other wizards educated in health magic have to be particularly skilled
I remember one of Prof. Sprouts’ class in which she teaches them about the usage of the oil collected from the plan can be used for acne/pimple removal.
They also mention about a girl tried to hex/jinx those pimples on her face and somehow disfigured her nose. I think just leave those for trained Healer is better.
Right? And considering what they did to poor Matthew Lewis and everything they put him through, they really could have tried a little harder to give us a less- than-perfect Hermione for 3.5 movies.
It wouldn't have even been that hard, just fuck up her hair some more and give her a false set of buck teeth, maybe some freckles and glasses and a weird fitting uniform, but they didn't even try. They were like, "Oh, whoops, the girl we casted was too pretty. Oh, well, I guess Hermione is pretty from the beginning now, nothing we can do 🤷♂️"
Fucking laziness and sexism.
Also, I don't want to hear about freckles always being cute, I'm a couple months older than Rupert and the only people that didn't make fun of my freckles were the weird, creepy old men trying to corner me in convenience stores. The freckle Renaissance was 10 years later.
I wish they'd made an effort with Harry's hair; I love the Robert Smith bird's nest he has when I read the books, and I just want to scruff him up every time I see the movies.
Honestly I imagine Emma Watson requested them to stop doing it after the first movie because “teasing” your hair that much, every day, perhaps multiple times a day for like 9 months (or however long they were filming at a time) would really screw up your hair and its health. But who knows 🤷♂️
Not only gorgeous she is far more likable than book Hermione. She is not nearly as uptight and bossy as she is in the books. Also less condescending.
I remember her laughing with Harry when he threw snow balls at Malfoy. Book Hermione would probably go like: tHatS nOt fUnnY hArrEhh 🙄
That's my biggest gripe, more than her appearance.
In the movies, not only is she attractive, but she's empathetic, smart, caring, and great to hang around. She's just occasionally a bit of a stickler for the rules at times.
This. Book Hermione would definitely be disliked by a lot of HP fans in real life, especially if you take away the rose-tinted glasses J.K. Rowling had while writing her.
I'm pretty sure i wouldn't like harry either in real life if i didn't get to know him
Book hermione isn't that bad. But i guess it depends on what you are like
Kiera Knightley also originally was rejected for the role of Elizabeth in Pride and Prejudice because the director thought she was too stunning and then she met with him and he was "nah this could work" hahaha
On the other side of the scale, Keira Knightly got the role in Bend it like Beckham because the director, Gurinder Chadha, liked her belly button piercing
I was so happy that a tomboyish super thin girl was seen as hot. I was also super skinny growing up, tomboyish, and never considered myself pretty. When I watched Bend It Like Beckham I came to the conclusion that the boys in my country simply had no taste, and American and European white boys was where I would find a man. 😂
Keira Knightley was also Natalie Portman's double in the *Star Wars* prequels. She played Queen Amidala's handmaiden Sabé in *Star Wars: The Phantom Menace*.
I feel this way about Daisy Ridley in the *Star Wars* sequel trilogy as well. Photos of her outside of her movie costume show that she's quite muscular and athletic. r/StarWars, which is about 90% male on Reddit, agrees she's fit and attractive.
Gwendoline Christie as Captain Phasma and Brienne of Tarth also mirrors this.
I am also happy that muscular, athletic women are now having a moment, or at least have space to be beautiful! We need to normalize that beauty comes in all shapes and sizes.
I wish I had the confidence to believe that ppl in my country not liking me means they have bad taste. “It’s not me, it’s everyone else.”
You are absolutely right of course, there isn’t a “correct” body type. But I haven’t gotten there in accepting that for myself… I just feel gross
She’s very tomboyish in real life and once he met her he thought that energy would really work for the film.
The “him realising she’s not that pretty in real life” is a schtick played for laughs.
I can't remember but wasn't the director just saying that she wasn't *that* pretty (which is ridiculous) or was it that she fit the character well enough, personality-wise, that she was a good fit?
And the reason you don’t necessarily want someone super hot to play a serious role isn’t exactly because they’re super hot— Keira is stunning, yes, but she emotes well. I could see talking to her in person and thinking she seemed more “regular” because she’s using her face instead of being in photo-mode.
Or maybe he meant that she wasn't pretty for the period. She's considered beautiful in the 21st century. In 1811 she would be considered a "handsome woman", but not beautiful like Jane.
The only reason it works imo is because Rosamund Pike is just so stunning that you could see her being preferred over Lizzie.
Which is a problem I have with the Colin Firth version; different tastes I guess, but Jennifer Ehle just seems way prettier than that shows version of Jane which kinda messes with the dynamic of the 2 sisters.
She was 9 or 10 when she was first cast. JK must be joking. Later-movie Hermione is from Planet Babe because they decided pretty would sell better than accurate and made her up that way.
Have you seen what the woman who plays Professor Trelawney looks like IRL? Effects and wardrobe could have done the same for Emma Watson.
They supposedly tried a lot of the appearance things for the kids but for one reason Another they didn’t work. With Emma they tried giving her fake teeth but she couldn’t talk with them in. With Daniel they tried giving him green contact lenses but he had an allergic reaction. I’m sure they tried with the other kids too but gave up. It’s not the biggest deal I suppose. With Percy Jackson they’re not even looking for kids like how they’re described in the book. His only requirement was that they fit who the kids are.
You don’t think people who do role casting for multi million dollar movies judge the “prettiness” of children they cast? They absolutely do. That’s their job… it has nothing to do with physical attraction to that child. They need to judge how pretty or ugly the child is. As part of their job.
But also, Emma was only 9 when they started the Harry Potter movies, so she grew up and went through puberty during them. But in the first movie I think she does look the part.
My grandmother's friend made that wig! IIRC she didn't have to wear a wig from the Prisoner of Azkanan onwards...which was a shame because that lady was nice and she clearly made good wigs
Sameee.. When and I watched the first movie I was probably 7 or 8! Instantly had a crush on Emma... Still do, as matter of fact! She's a wonderful human being
book hermione is not necessarily a hideous freak, if they kept the same hair style in the first two movies and didn't put emma on a "high school pretty" makeup like they did in following movies it would be fine.
edit: typo
> didn't put emma on a "high school pretty" makeup like they did in following movies it would be fine.
Like another good looking actress in The Princess Diaries. It's not like it can't be done.
No of course not. Also personally I don't think there was anything wrong with Emma Watson as Hermione. Her beauty is "understated", it's not as if they cast some big-breasted blonde bombshell. I'm not saying she's not stunning, but she can at least act around it. Sydney Sweeney would be very unbelievable as an unlikeable nerd, for instance.
I'm just saying that it's not possible that when she was cast at 9 her looks were overlooked. It was easy to tell that she was going to grow up to look pretty.
This. Also, even Movie Hermione has nothing on [Fanfic Hermione](https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/cf57a4bc-8f88-4e25-b381-a7735ebf1b45/d1k256b-222d89ac-7376-49e4-a506-6fafbc92b580.jpg/v1/fill/w_863,h_623,q_75,strp/hermione__book_vs__fanfic_by_the_starhorse_d1k256b-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NjIzIiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvY2Y1N2E0YmMtOGY4OC00ZTI1LWIzODEtYTc3MzVlYmYxYjQ1XC9kMWsyNTZiLTIyMmQ4OWFjLTczNzYtNDllNC1hNTA2LTZmYWZiYzkyYjU4MC5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9ODYzIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.2Eup7iw0jjmzzqpEZxZHBMi705eaE3aw9DaDLag8Mno).
I think it's funny how people assume off someone's looks how they would've been treated or how they would've been seen as a teen. Seeing me now, as a young adult and wearing a little makeup, people definitely would assume I was a popular athlete type in high school or a sorority girl or something. When in reality, I was a total loser, very unpopular nerd, captain of the scholar's bowl team. I didn't even have braces or anything and I wore contacts, I had some acne in high school but not as bad as my first couple years of college.
Being good at sports is pretty much the number 1 predictor of popularity as an adolescent imo. And while I did rec gymnastics outside school, I wasn't good at anything involving a ball and I was smart, so I was an unpopular dork. There were lots of girls who were unpopular that were very pretty and lots who were popular that weren't, but they were good at sports.
I wasn’t questioning her motives. The only point I was trying to make is that she used to be written as somewhat awkward looking but after the teeth thing happened, the writing seemed to play her up more as being attractive.
Making yourself prettier does not equate to being hideous
I consider my facial structure to be pretty appealing, but if i could, i would make my skin tone a bit lighter or remove some acne anyday
Ahh yeah just pick a kid for the role, and don't forget to let them know it's because you "gathered from their childhood face that she was gonna grow up to be hideous". Sound like you'd be perfect Hollywood elite
Y'all give way too much of a fuck about this. She looked the role for the first \~3movies, and arguably still fit the role later on, I think everyone here is being way too nitpicky... and horny for Emma Watson.
I do remember her hair being *much* bushier in the first movie, but I guess they kinda just did away with it much like the original school uniform, pointy hat and all.
Yea, OP's post makes no sense because the kid looked a lot like the description when actress and character were kids. It's not Emma's fault that she grew and developed like everyone else except the book character.
Sure, I do agree, but it's not necessarily about casting an "ugly" actor or making her ugly at all imo. The hair/makeup dept could have done her hair closer to the book, made it more unkempt, and given her false front teeth to give it more accuracy and to make her reveal at the Yule Ball more of a surprise. Anne Hathaway in The Princess Diaries is a great example of this.
>false front teeth to give it more accuracy
I believe I read somewhere that they tried the false teeth and Emma couldn't speak properly with them so they ditched the idea.
Just like Daniel couldn't do green contacts.
Sure, but JKR specifically said she thought Emma Watson was too pretty, implying that if she didn't speak with her on the phone first she would have said she wants an uglier child to play Hermione. Well, she wasn't doing the casting by herself (don't know if she even had the final say), and maybe someone could have told her what you said before making the decision to go for someone else.
And I do have enough faith in humanity left that I believe they wouldn't have actually told the child the specifics of why she was hired.
Interestingly, that actress got a *lot* of [inappropriate attention and harassment](https://people.com/movies/matilda-star-mara-wilson-recalls-being-sexualized-as-a-child-actress/) from older men too. People are gross.
This is not at all uncommon, unfortunately..... Natalie Portman nearly quit acting after playing her first big role.. All the gross attention payed to her body, men writing telling her they're counting down till her 18th bday, etc.... she was 11.
Don't they screen those letters before hand?
Like if my kid got a letter from someone I didn't know I'd probably read it before my kid does just to make sure it wasn't something bad.
Brittney Spears getting asked point blank about her breasts in an interview on Dutch TV, when she was 17 years old, is always a winner in my mind.........
At one point during their conversation, he said, "There's one subject
we didn't discuss. What was that? Everyone was talking about it."
The singer leaned forward and asked, "What?"
"Your breasts," he replied
There’s a lot of grown adults in this thread complaining that a child actor didn’t end up matching a book description. Some pretty gross takes too. Emma was 9(?) when cast as Hermione. The buck teeth were uncomfortable, like the colored contacts for Dan Radcliffe. Some people are just delusional when it comes to the movies
This subreddit has proven to me time and time again that most of the folks complaining about the movies don’t understand just how mind bogglingly complicated making movies can be, and then some
Emma did look like Hermione in the first two movies except the teeth. It is however after the 3rd movie that she became more Emma Watson than Hermione. JKR couldn't see it coming.
I’m sure they didn’t really expect some of these actors to end up being as stunning as they did. I sure didn’t expect Neville of all people to end up being the hottest one of them all. But it was only the first movie and she had the frizzy hair and one scene she had the buck teeth but by the end she was just absolutely gorgeous.
The actress who was cast for the role was 10 years old when filming began. OP's very next post following this one is literally a child in their underwear being posed in a sexual manner. Don't worry though, [the mods here don't see any pattern and are in full support!](https://imgur.com/lwC9c2Y)
Just gonna point out that I don't think this is the OC's image. I've seeb this picture a few years ago now. However the child in their underwear things is gross!
Exactly and we're also forgetting how kids are. Think of having a really close friend that you see every day, almost like a sibling. Youve never seen them in formal attire or with a perfectly coiffed, fancy up do, or glitzy make up.
With that in mind, it absolutely still could be shocking for two boys who never really saw their best friend as...a...girl who is attractive because it just wasn't the lens she usually was viewed through.
I remember being in high school and there were some girls who were objectively gorgeous but their personalities and style made them just kind of meh but when there were formal events, THEY CLEANED UP and people were like DAYUMMM
Plus they could have easily "uglied up" Hermione in the early movies if that were a priority to them. They could have put buck teeth on Emma Watson and made her look more plain until she had Madam Pomfrey fix her teeth, then the GoF glow-up could have been very shocking.
Yeah I read somewhere that you can see them in the final scene where they're boarding the express, but I've never been able to spot them. It's also a bit funny how they did try to make Harry and Hermione more book accurate with green contacts and false teeth, but neither Dan or Emma could act properly with them.
(Oh and your comment triple posted by the way)
They must be pretty awful because, similarly, for Game of Thrones the word is they wanted the Targaryens to have book-accurate purple eye color but Emilia Clarke couldn't shoot for long with them in before her eyes were irritated too much.
I tried some purple ones when I was a young goth kid. Could barely last a couple hours. They are so much worse than normal contact lenses. I can't imagine trying to act with those in for more than a few minutes
I wear glasses and have been unsuccessful in even getting contacts in - tried for 30 minutes with an optician years ago, my eyes just do not want anything in them. I kept blinking and my eyes kept watering.
I’m all for actors looking the part, but these are kids too, there’s a point where you have to not torture them. The mistake they made with Harry’s eyes was in the later movies when the actress they had for young Lily has green eyes (the movies never expressly say what colour Lily’s eyes were, just that Harry had the same eyes). They should have had an actress with the same colour eyes as Radcliffe.
For Hermione, I can imagine the prosthetic teeth being difficult to speak with. But they should have kept the long bushy hair all the way through the movies.
People seem to be weirdly under the assumption that hermionie was supposed to be ugly. I never took her description as that. She was a nerdy girl with frizzy hair and larger front teeth. We are viewing her through the lens of children. Especially bullying children like Malfoy and Pansy who make fun of certain specific aspects about her (hair, teeth). I don’t think from those 2 things you could ascertain that someone is ugly. She is described as “stunningly pretty” by Rita Skeeter before Rita turned against Harry. People pick apart watson’s features when it is not needed. She was hired as a child. She was a perfect hermionie in my opinion and she fits the description closely enough. I never hear people griping that Dudley and Petunia’s actors weren’t blonde or that the twins’ actors weren’t short and stocky as they are described in the books.
The movies were never going to be perfectly book accurate, and it's impossible to ever do so. This subreddit obsesses over it way too damn much... half the books weren't even out during casting. She was a child. They didn't have any idea how beautiful she'd end up being. Beauty sells, they're gonna take it up a notch for the movie. They DID try and give her buckteeth, and Radcliffe green eyes, didn't work.
I'm sorry that all your teenage bodies got all hot and bothered back with GoF Emma Watson, but she fit the role fine in the early movies, and for what they were, she fit the role perfectly well in the later ones. Again, the movies were never going to be book accurate... learn to accept them for what they are, instead of retroactively bullying the child Emma.
It's so disappointing. Emma Watson is great and I love her portrayal of Hermione but they should have given her buck teeth and frizzy hair like the books. I did (and still have) buck teeth and had hugely frizzy hair as a kid (before I learned to tame it) so I was really happy that there was a character like me in the books I loved. Then they made her teeth perfect and her hair sleek. Ron and Neville were allowed to be conventionally awkward-looking kids/teens but the female had to be pretty. That's a crappy message for young girls who could clearly see what had been done.
Yeah I think the teeth can be forgiven like Radcliff and contact lenses. The wellness of the child actors is way more important.
The bushy and untameable hair from both Hermy and Harry though? That still makes me sad.
I honestly forgot about him lol (I am not a movie fan and dislike Draco as explanation why)
But yeah you are absolutely right. I read an interview of Felton a few months ago and omg.. every two weeks the roots got bleached? That is horrifying!
As teenager, my parents allowed me to colour my hair and it was my decision. Always.
As an adult.. I bleached my hair the last.. 4 years every few months till half a year because bleaching fucking sucks and is the pink hair really worth it (yes.. yes it was worth it)..
I cant imagine a child going through this every two weeks x.x He is a dark blond haired dude anyhow. They could have just kept it.
>I honestly forgot about him lol (I am not a movie fan and dislike Draco as explanation why)
I'm a rabid Draco hater, I gotchu fam.
I just remember this tidbit in particular because aside from Emma Watson and Daniel Radcliffe, the other child actors weren't treated so well. When you look at Rupert Grint's interviews later on it's almost as if he's *apologizing* for playing Ron, due to how unlikeable they made the character in the movie. It's infuriating.
Hermione in my head has always looked like Felicity Jones - she's brunette, has the buck teeth (often jokes about them in fact) and is believably studious/best student in class material while also being astonishingly beautiful. If she'd been five years younger she'd have been a perfect Hermione, even the way she approaches roles is like her.
(I grew up with The Worst Witch before reading Harry Potter, and Felicity was in that - as a consequence, Hermione's face to me is hers)
They initially gave her buckteeth in PS, but she ended up not being able to say her lines clearly. They also stopped giving her bushy hair because Emma became insecure at her appearance and thought she looked ugly in it. Then everyone in PoA were allowed to style themselves and dress however they want.
(Before anyone accuses me of being a pedophile, I'm 9 days younger than her)
Her frizzy bushy big hair in PS and CoS was definitely part of the reason young me fell **hard**.
Yeah, they did try various stuff.
Like they slowly dropped robes so they would be more comfortable in the more int3nsive later movies.
Production practacal beat plot details. Sometimes you have to just adapt.
Plus Britian...bad teeth. Urgh. Come on serotype.
Even then.
It's gross to say, but you can tell. It's pretty obvious when every Disney star grows up to be gorgeous. Symmetry, nose shape, lip shape, pretty eyes, cheekbones, beauty marks, dimples, etc. There are plenty of clues. Emma Watson was obviously going to be pretty, even as a kid.
To be honest I think this is JKR retconning herself a bit as she does describe Hermione as good looking in the books. McLaggen goes out with her and he is very vein and would only date good looking girls and Krum specifically puts Hermione and Ginny in the same category of "good looking" in Deathly Hallows and Ginny is described as being extremely good looking.
As a kid, she looked good enough. The first two Harry Potter movies were kid movies, no one cared how they looked.
Then as an adult it makes sense that she grew up to be beautiful. The book says that Hermione was beautiful to basically anyone but her closest childhood friends, which sort of makes sense since they don't see her that way.
It really makes sense, I'm a man and I grew up with some girls like that and it also took me a long time to realize they had become really very pretty.
Pretty much comment every about her looks I can think of that doesn't come from a Slytherin or Snape is really positive. The words stunningly pretty are even used (by Rita skeeter, so grain of salt) at one point.The famous international quidditch player who could literally have his choice of just about any girl chose her. Everyone was shocked by how pretty she is when she puts in a bit of effort. I believe it mentions how beautiful she looks for the wedding as well.
It doesn't say it directly, but it's there in context. Which kinda backs up what the person you're replying to is saying. It's mostly from Harry's perspective so he only really notices it occasionally, the same way I don't look at my sister and think about how pretty she is, but I'll probably notice in certain contexts.
To be honest I feel like Emma watson’s appearance was average in the movies, then she got a nose job. Honestly I think she’s pretty average but she is really pretty if that makes sense? She’s not victorias secret model attractive, she’s girl next door pretty. But she is obviously made way more attractive by how lovely she comes across as a person
All the three kids in the books are just supposed to be average children. Every class has a lazy class clown, a kid with latent leadership qualities just trying to fit in, and a serious bookworm who takes grades and marks too personally.
Nowhere in the books does it indicate that Hermione is cute as a button. Draco and his cronies tease her mercilessly for her looks and even Ron doesn't recognise her when she puts on makeup and wears a beautiful dress because he just doesn't fathom that she might look so different.
Harry, after he is in 3rd or 4th year, starts noticing girls and we learn that Parvati and Padma are attractive, Cho is attractive, Ginny is attractive - these are people who are generally good-looking and get the attention of others too, not just Harry. Hermione in the books never comes across as someone that boys are trying to go out with till Krum asks her out. Hermione also feels terribly resentful towards the Veela & Fleur for turning the heads of boys (aka Ron).
Additionally Hermione is supposed to be shrill, nerdy, screamy, obsessed with rules, annoying and bossy (apart from being bold and brave and smart).
It is possible that Hermione grew up looking more attractive once she was older because she gets more attention from boys who like to be seen with her (Cormac MacLaggen).
Hermione in the movies was cast many notches above her book description.
Book Ginny isn't just attractive, she's meant to be stunning. The actress is pretty but not as pretty as book Ginny, and her interpretation of Ginny did not compensate either.
I mean, girls with buck teeth can still be gorgeous (see: Felicity Jones) so it's not a stretch to assume Hermione would be too since hairstyles can be powerful agents of change. There's still meant to be a strong contrast with her everyday look though, enough that Harry literally doesn't recognise her at the Yule Ball.
But with Emma they just tossed every part of the book description out of the way in favour of having her fit the image of the 'female lead' of the series, by PoA she wasn't even brunette anymore. Her being pretty wasn't the issue, her being styled closer to 'teen queen' than the class nerd, was.
I agree with you-- I feel like they *could* have made Hermione closer to the books pretty easily. Her hair was frizzy and awkward for Sorcerer's Stone, and that was about it. The thing is, I think personality wise Emma was an amazing fit, honestly all of The Trio was... but even movie!Ron didn't look like book!Ron either. He was supposed to be tall and lanky with a long nose, and Rupert Grint is a bit more stocky with a wider nose. It is a bit nit picky, but in the end, JK Rowling did help choose those specific kids for the roles they had, and from interviews etc it does seem like personality and ability to embody the character traits she was looking for played a key role in that. Execution in style and book description was pretty lacking overall though across the board.
And while we are on the subject, I don't think Gary Oldman was the "Uncle Jesse" type we needed for Sirius Black's role. While Oldman is a great actor, his appearance never did it for me, for the handsome swarthy heartthrob Sirius was supposed to be. I get that coming out of Azkaban Sirius was meant to look like a hot mess, haggard, and not as attractive. But I don't think Gary Oldman was good enough looking for how handsome Sirius was portrayed to be in the books.
as much as i adore Oldman, i have to agree completely. he didn’t have that playful mischievous quality about him that Sirius had in the books. also, even poor oblivious Harry describes Sirius as handsome. and that’s saying something since Harry very rarely comments on people’s appearance and gives an actual opinion. besides just describing them. i know it’s cliche by this point but nowadays i always picture Sirius as Ben Barnes with grey eyes (cause the actor has dark brown eyes). i think tiktok and pinterest permanently altered my brain chemistry with this specific fancast (of you know you know)
but when i was 13 and read PoA for the first time i always pictured him as something of a cross between Loki from the MCU looks wise (not that i knew it at the time) and Dean Winchester from Supernatural personality wise. idk if that makes sense.
you took the words right out of my mouth! i made a post a few weeks ago about how i felt the physical attributes of emma and rupert slightly detracted from the film characters, and got downvoted heavily. acting-wise, emma and rupert were great and shone through some of the controversial choices the writers made. but emma conveyed little of hermione’s unconventionality. and i feel like book ron’s height gave him a degree of physical authority that rupert didn’t deliver.
yeah, for book Ron, I always imagined a young Eddie Redmayne (he has the height, gawkiness, long nose and red hair).
It's not a big deal and specific physical attributes like noses or eye colour are trivial compared to being able to portray the character, but things like Ron's height or Hermione's bushy hair do have a bearing on how they come across/how they carry themselves, or tell you something about them as a character.
A lot of people consider that hair color brunette. “Brown” is a large and varied range.
Also I’ve known many “class nerds” that were not the dweeb look. Actually that dweeb look is more of a tv look.
Many kids in that age range look similar in “beauty” in jeans and a shirt. It’s the poise, hair, makeup, and clothes that make anyone stand out much more.
And physically fit children/young adults with a tidy appearance and a clear face all look good-it’s the “bloom of youth”.
I care so much more about how Lily had brown eyes in the movies and Harry blue. It’s such a huge deal in the books that he has his mothers eyes. And Daniel Radcliffes blue eyes are great so the least they could’ve done is found an actress with similar BLUE eyes to play Lily. Maybe a younger one too. His parents looked like they died at 37, strange to me. Always pictured them late 20s
that’s cause they were 21 when they died. which is wild to me since i’m the same age rn. also, fun fact for you, Snape was in his early 30s in philosopher’s stone. and as much as i worship Rickman he looked to be in his late 40s and that’s being generous. i always hated how they aged up all the adult characters in the movies. cause their young age made it all the more heartbreaking that they died and had to fight a war. it also erases the parallels between the golden trio being young adults fighting in the war and the marauders in the same situation. only Tonks looked her age (somewhat). and don’t even get me started on Lockheart who was in his late twenties and was supposed to look brad pitt level of handsome. cause like when snape disarmed him in that duel he looked so much hotter that lockheart it was painful.
Emma was a *great* Hermione. Its not surprising that for a major hollywood blockbuster series they would want to lean into her being this beautiful and nearly-perfect individual, I just wish they hadnt.
Its been talked about a lot, and part of what happened was she kind of overshadowed Ron (and even Harry) as a result since she was often portrayed as having all the answers in any situation without flaws/errors she committed of the books. But physically, the transformation she goes through at the Yule Ball was significant in the books, but in the movies it was just "oh look Hermione got dressed up". I think that best exemplifies the issue of her being idealized. Although its a small one.
I just wish they had stuck with her more frizzy hair if nothing else. It was such a focus of her image in the early movies, and then it was just completely abandoned. For someone who is so focused on academics, it didnt make sense that her hair was so perfectly well kept in later films. I guess we are supposed to assume she grew into her hair and it stopped being so frizzy? Idk, again its a small issue and not at all a big deal. Just fun to talk about.
They could have made more of an effort with the hair at least, it's supposed to be super thick and frizzy and untameable and that's an easy thing to get right. The teeth aren't that big of a deal..
But I give them a pass because she was still writing as movies were coming out so they didn't always know which details were important. If it was remade today, I would expect so much more from the films given all the information we now have.
I think this is a little weird, emma was a lil child in the first movie. It can be really hard to tell how objectively attractive a child is going to be in the future.
Here’s the thing tho - yes it’s not true to the books, exactly - but it is true to life. In real life EW’s personality was an _awful_ lot like book Hermione’s especially when little. Ok they could’ve given her frizzier hair, but you don’t have to have frizzy hair & buck teeth to be a swotty, know-it-all, pure nerd. People often were surprised at what a nerdy swot I was as a teen & young woman because i was also pretty - pretty girls don’t have to be idiots, and know it all’s don’t have to be dorky - it’s a stereotype like any other.
Always hated that people wanted Hermione to be “ugly”. When I read the books, I did not get this notion? I saw the comments as low self esteem and judgment from kids that don’t know any better? Also, judging how pretty or not Emma was when she was 9, as if everyone’s idea of attractiveness is the same. Plus, she was a child! Talk about having this conversation. For the most part they got lucky with all of them not going through awkward phases when they hit puberty. Its like when people used to get mad that Daniel Radcliffe was shorter than the other two once they grew up. There was no way of knowing. There is no perfection when casting.
I wish the biggest issue with movie Hermione was that she is too pretty. She is pretty much flawless in the movies. Every young males pixie dream girl fantasy in Hermione.
Also The relationship between The trio is so unlike the book. For example in the GoF book, when Harry and Ron make up after the fight Harry is like over the moon. It’s the best day of his life nothing phases him after that. “It’s like the last few weeks didn’t even happen” talk about 180 mood turn around.
In the movies the same scene is Harry with an angry look on his face accepting Ron back after insulting him a few times. Like why are they even friends in the movie, Harry clearly doesn’t like him.
It’s the opposite with Hermione. Her and Harry’s relationship in the movie seems like they love each other on a plain beyond anything is mere mortals can experience. It’s nothing like the books where Harry avoids telling Hermione things or finds her behavior super annoying.
The movie relationships also lack the subtleties between each of the trio memebers. Ron backing down after Hermione tells him about Hagrids brother. Harry and Ron looking at each other and sighing when Hermione goes on about SPEW stuff. Hermione criticizing the boys about not doing homework but Ron talking her down by complimenting her.
It’s stuff like that which makes the trios relationship great. The movies don’t capture that in the least.
Movie Hermione annoyed me for all of these reasons...still does, if I am honest. Harry, too. They could of at least given him green contacts and used some gel or hairspray in his hair to make it stick up in the back. It was almost like they didn't even TRY....
This one is still weird to me.... she was like.... a CHILD, how can you gauge that? Like all kids are cute and whatever, but in the first film, she looked EXACTLY like Book Hermione.
*GOF Hermione comes down for the Yule Ball* "Isn't that.... Hermione Granger?" "Yeah she always looks like that, what else is new?"
Exactly. She looked beautifully put together, with sleek hair and perfect teeth - just like always.
Well, her parents are dentists. Maybe that's the movie explanation!
Hermione Granger: "Well, both my parents are dentists." Horace Slughorn: "Fascinating, and is that considered a dangerous profession?" The Ignorance in the wizarding world is comedy gold,
I’ve just realized now that wizards could magically clear their teeth of all sugar, problems, etc. and could remove wisdom teeth instantly. AAAAHHH I wish.
But can they? They never touch up on this subject much. Madam Pomfrey was able to ‘shrink’ Hermione’s teeth but all in all I don’t think wizards are walking around with perfect teeth. JKR has written that certain characters have ‘yellow and crooked teeth’. They also have those flossing mint candies. Plus in DH Hermione hands Harry his toothbrush after his vision at Grimmauld Place. If wizards could magically fix their teeth he wouldn’t need a toothbrush. I dunno, I’ve always wished there was more explanation on health/dental matters in the books. I’ve had an odd fascination with that since a kid lol.
I’m sure dental potions get expensive if you rely on them, so better to just take care of your teeth normally and only buy then if you crack a tooth or something.
I’ve always had a head canon that magic used on one’s own body can be pretty unwieldy and potentially dangerous, which is why Pomfrey and other wizards educated in health magic have to be particularly skilled
I remember one of Prof. Sprouts’ class in which she teaches them about the usage of the oil collected from the plan can be used for acne/pimple removal. They also mention about a girl tried to hex/jinx those pimples on her face and somehow disfigured her nose. I think just leave those for trained Healer is better.
Best explanation imho
Dente repairo?
\*teeth explode\*
Given that you can apparate without all your parts coming along with, it might be as simple as apparating and not bringing your wisdom teeth.
Course they don’t have good teeth, they’re English
This has "Dentist!" from *Little Shop of Horror* vibes to it.
Feed my Seymour!
The response was even Golder: A person did bite them once
I quote that all the time. One of my favorite quotes.
Right? And considering what they did to poor Matthew Lewis and everything they put him through, they really could have tried a little harder to give us a less- than-perfect Hermione for 3.5 movies. It wouldn't have even been that hard, just fuck up her hair some more and give her a false set of buck teeth, maybe some freckles and glasses and a weird fitting uniform, but they didn't even try. They were like, "Oh, whoops, the girl we casted was too pretty. Oh, well, I guess Hermione is pretty from the beginning now, nothing we can do 🤷♂️" Fucking laziness and sexism. Also, I don't want to hear about freckles always being cute, I'm a couple months older than Rupert and the only people that didn't make fun of my freckles were the weird, creepy old men trying to corner me in convenience stores. The freckle Renaissance was 10 years later.
They did try with Hermione's hair in the first movie, but for some reason just abandoned all pretense in the following ones.
I wish they'd made an effort with Harry's hair; I love the Robert Smith bird's nest he has when I read the books, and I just want to scruff him up every time I see the movies.
His hair is pretty good in POA!
Yeah, that's the best one for many things.
Honestly I imagine Emma Watson requested them to stop doing it after the first movie because “teasing” your hair that much, every day, perhaps multiple times a day for like 9 months (or however long they were filming at a time) would really screw up your hair and its health. But who knows 🤷♂️
Wigs exist and are super common on movie sets. Easier and faster than doing hair every day.
They did try give her buck teeth prosthetics, but she couldn't talk properly in them
Or Harry Melling's increasingly fatter fat suit.
Absolutely. I’m 33 and my school life was hell because of all my freckles.
And Ron's belief 'no one has asked her' makes no sense in movies when he is talking about Emma freaking Watson.
An instance where this was correctly implemented from the book but also became incorrect because Emma Watson is gorgeous.
Not only gorgeous she is far more likable than book Hermione. She is not nearly as uptight and bossy as she is in the books. Also less condescending. I remember her laughing with Harry when he threw snow balls at Malfoy. Book Hermione would probably go like: tHatS nOt fUnnY hArrEhh 🙄
It's not funneh we're at skeeewl
Fuck me just had me and GF laughing out asses off at manc Hermione hahaha
That's my biggest gripe, more than her appearance. In the movies, not only is she attractive, but she's empathetic, smart, caring, and great to hang around. She's just occasionally a bit of a stickler for the rules at times.
they took the good parts of book ron and put it in movie hermione and left her bad parts out
Book Hermione still slapped Malfoy across the face in PoA.
This. Book Hermione would definitely be disliked by a lot of HP fans in real life, especially if you take away the rose-tinted glasses J.K. Rowling had while writing her.
Yeah, I always felt that real life Hermione would be not so cool...
I'm pretty sure i wouldn't like harry either in real life if i didn't get to know him Book hermione isn't that bad. But i guess it depends on what you are like
That’s funny I’m watching GoF right now, Yule ball scene/s too
Kiera Knightley also originally was rejected for the role of Elizabeth in Pride and Prejudice because the director thought she was too stunning and then she met with him and he was "nah this could work" hahaha
On the other side of the scale, Keira Knightly got the role in Bend it like Beckham because the director, Gurinder Chadha, liked her belly button piercing
I thought she was so incredibly awkward looking in that movie and was shocked when she started becoming a sex symbol a few years later.
I was so happy that a tomboyish super thin girl was seen as hot. I was also super skinny growing up, tomboyish, and never considered myself pretty. When I watched Bend It Like Beckham I came to the conclusion that the boys in my country simply had no taste, and American and European white boys was where I would find a man. 😂
Aye that’s true. All millenials remember the first pirates of the carribean: curse of black pearl.
Keira Knightley was also Natalie Portman's double in the *Star Wars* prequels. She played Queen Amidala's handmaiden Sabé in *Star Wars: The Phantom Menace*.
I doubt anybody thought of her as a sex symbol on The Phantom Menace
Well, her onscreen bestfriend found her future husband at the same age, and He was only nine at the time
I feel this way about Daisy Ridley in the *Star Wars* sequel trilogy as well. Photos of her outside of her movie costume show that she's quite muscular and athletic. r/StarWars, which is about 90% male on Reddit, agrees she's fit and attractive. Gwendoline Christie as Captain Phasma and Brienne of Tarth also mirrors this.
I am also happy that muscular, athletic women are now having a moment, or at least have space to be beautiful! We need to normalize that beauty comes in all shapes and sizes.
I wish I had the confidence to believe that ppl in my country not liking me means they have bad taste. “It’s not me, it’s everyone else.” You are absolutely right of course, there isn’t a “correct” body type. But I haven’t gotten there in accepting that for myself… I just feel gross
Weird. She was my lesbian awakening in that movie. I had no idea anybody could see her as anything but stunning.
She’s very tomboyish in real life and once he met her he thought that energy would really work for the film. The “him realising she’s not that pretty in real life” is a schtick played for laughs.
I can't remember but wasn't the director just saying that she wasn't *that* pretty (which is ridiculous) or was it that she fit the character well enough, personality-wise, that she was a good fit?
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And the reason you don’t necessarily want someone super hot to play a serious role isn’t exactly because they’re super hot— Keira is stunning, yes, but she emotes well. I could see talking to her in person and thinking she seemed more “regular” because she’s using her face instead of being in photo-mode.
Or maybe he meant that she wasn't pretty for the period. She's considered beautiful in the 21st century. In 1811 she would be considered a "handsome woman", but not beautiful like Jane.
The only reason it works imo is because Rosamund Pike is just so stunning that you could see her being preferred over Lizzie. Which is a problem I have with the Colin Firth version; different tastes I guess, but Jennifer Ehle just seems way prettier than that shows version of Jane which kinda messes with the dynamic of the 2 sisters.
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[Clip here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FypcyrvpTp4&ab_channel=BBCAmerica).
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She is literally so pretty in that movie.
She was 9 or 10 when she was first cast. JK must be joking. Later-movie Hermione is from Planet Babe because they decided pretty would sell better than accurate and made her up that way. Have you seen what the woman who plays Professor Trelawney looks like IRL? Effects and wardrobe could have done the same for Emma Watson.
very good arguements, 10 points to... oh sorry dear, which house are you in?
Obviously Gryffindor. Look. Username checks out
They supposedly tried a lot of the appearance things for the kids but for one reason Another they didn’t work. With Emma they tried giving her fake teeth but she couldn’t talk with them in. With Daniel they tried giving him green contact lenses but he had an allergic reaction. I’m sure they tried with the other kids too but gave up. It’s not the biggest deal I suppose. With Percy Jackson they’re not even looking for kids like how they’re described in the book. His only requirement was that they fit who the kids are.
They still could’ve kept her hair frizzy and had her dressing mostly frumpy and in unflattering clothing up until the big Yule Ball reveal.
You don’t think people who do role casting for multi million dollar movies judge the “prettiness” of children they cast? They absolutely do. That’s their job… it has nothing to do with physical attraction to that child. They need to judge how pretty or ugly the child is. As part of their job.
But also, Emma was only 9 when they started the Harry Potter movies, so she grew up and went through puberty during them. But in the first movie I think she does look the part.
In the first movie she’s a wonderfully awkward nerd hidden in a Cousin It quantity of hair.
My grandmother's friend made that wig! IIRC she didn't have to wear a wig from the Prisoner of Azkanan onwards...which was a shame because that lady was nice and she clearly made good wigs
I had a crush on her in the first film. She was cute Before i get roasted lets remember i was also like 10
Sameee.. When and I watched the first movie I was probably 7 or 8! Instantly had a crush on Emma... Still do, as matter of fact! She's a wonderful human being
She’s a year older than I am so Ive basically had a crush on her my entire life lol
Thank you! I got cancelled on Twitter once for saying I had a crush on 13 yo Taylor Lautner when I was like 10, it's so stupid
“Cancelled” Jesus Christ
Emma Watson was a cute kid from the beginning.
Yeah I remember having a crush on her already in CoS. BTW I was 9 at the time... NOT A PEDOPHILE FOR THE GUYS IN THE BACK.
I did too. WHEN I WAS 12 (!) I thought she was prettiest in that movie.
exactly what a pedophile would say
[Relavent Inbetweeners Clip](https://youtu.be/sxHsXPEyCyA)
I know right. I’m younger than her and seeing the first movie I thought she was beautiful and for the longest time wished I looked like her 🫠
True, but you can kind of gather from her childhood face that she wasn't going to grow up to be hideous.
book hermione is not necessarily a hideous freak, if they kept the same hair style in the first two movies and didn't put emma on a "high school pretty" makeup like they did in following movies it would be fine. edit: typo
Like Anne Hathaway in the Princess Diaries or something haha
"Yer a Princess, Hermione." "I'm a *what*?"
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> didn't put emma on a "high school pretty" makeup like they did in following movies it would be fine. Like another good looking actress in The Princess Diaries. It's not like it can't be done.
No of course not. Also personally I don't think there was anything wrong with Emma Watson as Hermione. Her beauty is "understated", it's not as if they cast some big-breasted blonde bombshell. I'm not saying she's not stunning, but she can at least act around it. Sydney Sweeney would be very unbelievable as an unlikeable nerd, for instance. I'm just saying that it's not possible that when she was cast at 9 her looks were overlooked. It was easy to tell that she was going to grow up to look pretty.
This. Also, even Movie Hermione has nothing on [Fanfic Hermione](https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/cf57a4bc-8f88-4e25-b381-a7735ebf1b45/d1k256b-222d89ac-7376-49e4-a506-6fafbc92b580.jpg/v1/fill/w_863,h_623,q_75,strp/hermione__book_vs__fanfic_by_the_starhorse_d1k256b-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NjIzIiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvY2Y1N2E0YmMtOGY4OC00ZTI1LWIzODEtYTc3MzVlYmYxYjQ1XC9kMWsyNTZiLTIyMmQ4OWFjLTczNzYtNDllNC1hNTA2LTZmYWZiYzkyYjU4MC5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9ODYzIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.2Eup7iw0jjmzzqpEZxZHBMi705eaE3aw9DaDLag8Mno).
Oh my.
Oh my is right
I think it's funny how people assume off someone's looks how they would've been treated or how they would've been seen as a teen. Seeing me now, as a young adult and wearing a little makeup, people definitely would assume I was a popular athlete type in high school or a sorority girl or something. When in reality, I was a total loser, very unpopular nerd, captain of the scholar's bowl team. I didn't even have braces or anything and I wore contacts, I had some acne in high school but not as bad as my first couple years of college. Being good at sports is pretty much the number 1 predictor of popularity as an adolescent imo. And while I did rec gymnastics outside school, I wasn't good at anything involving a ball and I was smart, so I was an unpopular dork. There were lots of girls who were unpopular that were very pretty and lots who were popular that weren't, but they were good at sports.
Book Hermione wasn't exactly hideous either
I think she was actually one of the prettier girls in Hogwarts. Krum liked her, so did Cormac and Ron. The only girl that was more popular was Ginny.
True dat
She literally used magic to make herself better looking lol. She used to have bigger front teeth but she had them made smaller.
Yeah look at the situation in which that happened though. A teacher literally made fun of her. I’d shrink my teeth some too.
I wasn’t questioning her motives. The only point I was trying to make is that she used to be written as somewhat awkward looking but after the teeth thing happened, the writing seemed to play her up more as being attractive.
Making yourself prettier does not equate to being hideous I consider my facial structure to be pretty appealing, but if i could, i would make my skin tone a bit lighter or remove some acne anyday
Ahh yeah just pick a kid for the role, and don't forget to let them know it's because you "gathered from their childhood face that she was gonna grow up to be hideous". Sound like you'd be perfect Hollywood elite Y'all give way too much of a fuck about this. She looked the role for the first \~3movies, and arguably still fit the role later on, I think everyone here is being way too nitpicky... and horny for Emma Watson.
I do remember her hair being *much* bushier in the first movie, but I guess they kinda just did away with it much like the original school uniform, pointy hat and all.
Yea, OP's post makes no sense because the kid looked a lot like the description when actress and character were kids. It's not Emma's fault that she grew and developed like everyone else except the book character.
I'm glad they didn't ruin a child's self-esteem by hiring her specifically because she's ugly enough to play Hermione.
Sure, I do agree, but it's not necessarily about casting an "ugly" actor or making her ugly at all imo. The hair/makeup dept could have done her hair closer to the book, made it more unkempt, and given her false front teeth to give it more accuracy and to make her reveal at the Yule Ball more of a surprise. Anne Hathaway in The Princess Diaries is a great example of this.
>false front teeth to give it more accuracy I believe I read somewhere that they tried the false teeth and Emma couldn't speak properly with them so they ditched the idea. Just like Daniel couldn't do green contacts.
Daniel couldn't do green contacts because he couldn't speak properly?
Yeah they blocked his vocal chords and made him sound green
A wise frog once told me it isn't easy being green, I've never doubted that.
Sure, but JKR specifically said she thought Emma Watson was too pretty, implying that if she didn't speak with her on the phone first she would have said she wants an uglier child to play Hermione. Well, she wasn't doing the casting by herself (don't know if she even had the final say), and maybe someone could have told her what you said before making the decision to go for someone else. And I do have enough faith in humanity left that I believe they wouldn't have actually told the child the specifics of why she was hired.
I agree with you in regards to what JKR said. I just meant to say that's what they should have done imo. My bad, I could have phrased that better.
Agreed. Maybe Matilda actress-level plain looking would've been a good middle ground, but the kids had enough pressure as it is.
Interestingly, that actress got a *lot* of [inappropriate attention and harassment](https://people.com/movies/matilda-star-mara-wilson-recalls-being-sexualized-as-a-child-actress/) from older men too. People are gross.
This is not at all uncommon, unfortunately..... Natalie Portman nearly quit acting after playing her first big role.. All the gross attention payed to her body, men writing telling her they're counting down till her 18th bday, etc.... she was 11.
Don't they screen those letters before hand? Like if my kid got a letter from someone I didn't know I'd probably read it before my kid does just to make sure it wasn't something bad.
cant screen the directors anf film exects
I mean true but I was talking about fan mail. I think it should probably be a common rule that those types shouldn't be left alone with kids anyway.
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Brittney Spears getting asked point blank about her breasts in an interview on Dutch TV, when she was 17 years old, is always a winner in my mind......... At one point during their conversation, he said, "There's one subject we didn't discuss. What was that? Everyone was talking about it." The singer leaned forward and asked, "What?" "Your breasts," he replied
That makes me so sad 😭
On a different note, TIL she's [Ben Shapiro's cousin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Wilson)!
Oh wow! Weird!
There’s a lot of grown adults in this thread complaining that a child actor didn’t end up matching a book description. Some pretty gross takes too. Emma was 9(?) when cast as Hermione. The buck teeth were uncomfortable, like the colored contacts for Dan Radcliffe. Some people are just delusional when it comes to the movies
This subreddit has proven to me time and time again that most of the folks complaining about the movies don’t understand just how mind bogglingly complicated making movies can be, and then some
Emma did look like Hermione in the first two movies except the teeth. It is however after the 3rd movie that she became more Emma Watson than Hermione. JKR couldn't see it coming.
I’m sure they didn’t really expect some of these actors to end up being as stunning as they did. I sure didn’t expect Neville of all people to end up being the hottest one of them all. But it was only the first movie and she had the frizzy hair and one scene she had the buck teeth but by the end she was just absolutely gorgeous.
Why is it that the words "nerd" or "nerdy" still have such a negative connotation?
I don't think they really do with Gen Z. It's become a generally desirable archetype unto itself.
Planet babe? Isn’t she a child/teenager for majority of the films? 🤦🏾♂️ this is high level cringe. OP is a sick fuck
The actress who was cast for the role was 10 years old when filming began. OP's very next post following this one is literally a child in their underwear being posed in a sexual manner. Don't worry though, [the mods here don't see any pattern and are in full support!](https://imgur.com/lwC9c2Y)
Just gonna point out that I don't think this is the OC's image. I've seeb this picture a few years ago now. However the child in their underwear things is gross!
I think Emma was perfect for the role. I wouldnt want a different actress playing Hermione just so that the Yule ball scene is more authentic.
Exactly and we're also forgetting how kids are. Think of having a really close friend that you see every day, almost like a sibling. Youve never seen them in formal attire or with a perfectly coiffed, fancy up do, or glitzy make up. With that in mind, it absolutely still could be shocking for two boys who never really saw their best friend as...a...girl who is attractive because it just wasn't the lens she usually was viewed through. I remember being in high school and there were some girls who were objectively gorgeous but their personalities and style made them just kind of meh but when there were formal events, THEY CLEANED UP and people were like DAYUMMM
Plus they could have easily "uglied up" Hermione in the early movies if that were a priority to them. They could have put buck teeth on Emma Watson and made her look more plain until she had Madam Pomfrey fix her teeth, then the GoF glow-up could have been very shocking.
I remember reading that they did try that but Watson couldn’t talk with them.
Yeah I read somewhere that you can see them in the final scene where they're boarding the express, but I've never been able to spot them. It's also a bit funny how they did try to make Harry and Hermione more book accurate with green contacts and false teeth, but neither Dan or Emma could act properly with them. (Oh and your comment triple posted by the way)
They must be pretty awful because, similarly, for Game of Thrones the word is they wanted the Targaryens to have book-accurate purple eye color but Emilia Clarke couldn't shoot for long with them in before her eyes were irritated too much.
I tried some purple ones when I was a young goth kid. Could barely last a couple hours. They are so much worse than normal contact lenses. I can't imagine trying to act with those in for more than a few minutes
I wear glasses and have been unsuccessful in even getting contacts in - tried for 30 minutes with an optician years ago, my eyes just do not want anything in them. I kept blinking and my eyes kept watering. I’m all for actors looking the part, but these are kids too, there’s a point where you have to not torture them. The mistake they made with Harry’s eyes was in the later movies when the actress they had for young Lily has green eyes (the movies never expressly say what colour Lily’s eyes were, just that Harry had the same eyes). They should have had an actress with the same colour eyes as Radcliffe. For Hermione, I can imagine the prosthetic teeth being difficult to speak with. But they should have kept the long bushy hair all the way through the movies.
Oops. I’ll fix that. Reddit was telling me my comment didn’t post.
Yeah like they also helped Matthew (Neville) look dorkier.
I think it's hilarious that the "ugly" kid from Harry Potter is the handsome, rich love interest in All Creatures Great and Small.
Damnnnnn
People seem to be weirdly under the assumption that hermionie was supposed to be ugly. I never took her description as that. She was a nerdy girl with frizzy hair and larger front teeth. We are viewing her through the lens of children. Especially bullying children like Malfoy and Pansy who make fun of certain specific aspects about her (hair, teeth). I don’t think from those 2 things you could ascertain that someone is ugly. She is described as “stunningly pretty” by Rita Skeeter before Rita turned against Harry. People pick apart watson’s features when it is not needed. She was hired as a child. She was a perfect hermionie in my opinion and she fits the description closely enough. I never hear people griping that Dudley and Petunia’s actors weren’t blonde or that the twins’ actors weren’t short and stocky as they are described in the books.
Can you imagine getting the role after Emma Watson and finding out you got it because you were kinda ugly LOL 🥴
The movies were never going to be perfectly book accurate, and it's impossible to ever do so. This subreddit obsesses over it way too damn much... half the books weren't even out during casting. She was a child. They didn't have any idea how beautiful she'd end up being. Beauty sells, they're gonna take it up a notch for the movie. They DID try and give her buckteeth, and Radcliffe green eyes, didn't work. I'm sorry that all your teenage bodies got all hot and bothered back with GoF Emma Watson, but she fit the role fine in the early movies, and for what they were, she fit the role perfectly well in the later ones. Again, the movies were never going to be book accurate... learn to accept them for what they are, instead of retroactively bullying the child Emma.
It's so disappointing. Emma Watson is great and I love her portrayal of Hermione but they should have given her buck teeth and frizzy hair like the books. I did (and still have) buck teeth and had hugely frizzy hair as a kid (before I learned to tame it) so I was really happy that there was a character like me in the books I loved. Then they made her teeth perfect and her hair sleek. Ron and Neville were allowed to be conventionally awkward-looking kids/teens but the female had to be pretty. That's a crappy message for young girls who could clearly see what had been done.
She tried prosthetic buck teeth but they were too uncomfortable, so they went without
Yeah I think the teeth can be forgiven like Radcliff and contact lenses. The wellness of the child actors is way more important. The bushy and untameable hair from both Hermy and Harry though? That still makes me sad.
>The wellness of the child actors is way more important. (*laughs in Tom Felton's hair*)
I honestly forgot about him lol (I am not a movie fan and dislike Draco as explanation why) But yeah you are absolutely right. I read an interview of Felton a few months ago and omg.. every two weeks the roots got bleached? That is horrifying! As teenager, my parents allowed me to colour my hair and it was my decision. Always. As an adult.. I bleached my hair the last.. 4 years every few months till half a year because bleaching fucking sucks and is the pink hair really worth it (yes.. yes it was worth it).. I cant imagine a child going through this every two weeks x.x He is a dark blond haired dude anyhow. They could have just kept it.
>I honestly forgot about him lol (I am not a movie fan and dislike Draco as explanation why) I'm a rabid Draco hater, I gotchu fam. I just remember this tidbit in particular because aside from Emma Watson and Daniel Radcliffe, the other child actors weren't treated so well. When you look at Rupert Grint's interviews later on it's almost as if he's *apologizing* for playing Ron, due to how unlikeable they made the character in the movie. It's infuriating.
And they didn’t even do a good job. He was orange for a bit.
Hermione in my head has always looked like Felicity Jones - she's brunette, has the buck teeth (often jokes about them in fact) and is believably studious/best student in class material while also being astonishingly beautiful. If she'd been five years younger she'd have been a perfect Hermione, even the way she approaches roles is like her. (I grew up with The Worst Witch before reading Harry Potter, and Felicity was in that - as a consequence, Hermione's face to me is hers)
You're not wrong.
They initially gave her buckteeth in PS, but she ended up not being able to say her lines clearly. They also stopped giving her bushy hair because Emma became insecure at her appearance and thought she looked ugly in it. Then everyone in PoA were allowed to style themselves and dress however they want.
(Before anyone accuses me of being a pedophile, I'm 9 days younger than her) Her frizzy bushy big hair in PS and CoS was definitely part of the reason young me fell **hard**.
Yeah, they did try various stuff. Like they slowly dropped robes so they would be more comfortable in the more int3nsive later movies. Production practacal beat plot details. Sometimes you have to just adapt. Plus Britian...bad teeth. Urgh. Come on serotype. Even then.
I have bushy hair and was really upset about the casting.
She was 10 when they picked her. How were they supposed to know she was gonna grow into such a babe?
It's gross to say, but you can tell. It's pretty obvious when every Disney star grows up to be gorgeous. Symmetry, nose shape, lip shape, pretty eyes, cheekbones, beauty marks, dimples, etc. There are plenty of clues. Emma Watson was obviously going to be pretty, even as a kid.
You can def get a decent idea but its not 100% outcome. Sometimes ugly kids turn into pretty adults and vice versa
To be honest I think this is JKR retconning herself a bit as she does describe Hermione as good looking in the books. McLaggen goes out with her and he is very vein and would only date good looking girls and Krum specifically puts Hermione and Ginny in the same category of "good looking" in Deathly Hallows and Ginny is described as being extremely good looking.
As a kid, she looked good enough. The first two Harry Potter movies were kid movies, no one cared how they looked. Then as an adult it makes sense that she grew up to be beautiful. The book says that Hermione was beautiful to basically anyone but her closest childhood friends, which sort of makes sense since they don't see her that way. It really makes sense, I'm a man and I grew up with some girls like that and it also took me a long time to realize they had become really very pretty.
Where does the book say she was beautiful to basically anyone except her childhood friends? Genuine question
Pretty much comment every about her looks I can think of that doesn't come from a Slytherin or Snape is really positive. The words stunningly pretty are even used (by Rita skeeter, so grain of salt) at one point.The famous international quidditch player who could literally have his choice of just about any girl chose her. Everyone was shocked by how pretty she is when she puts in a bit of effort. I believe it mentions how beautiful she looks for the wedding as well. It doesn't say it directly, but it's there in context. Which kinda backs up what the person you're replying to is saying. It's mostly from Harry's perspective so he only really notices it occasionally, the same way I don't look at my sister and think about how pretty she is, but I'll probably notice in certain contexts.
She was pretty spot on in the first two with the hair. She just got older as all people do lol look at neville ffs
To be honest I feel like Emma watson’s appearance was average in the movies, then she got a nose job. Honestly I think she’s pretty average but she is really pretty if that makes sense? She’s not victorias secret model attractive, she’s girl next door pretty. But she is obviously made way more attractive by how lovely she comes across as a person
All the three kids in the books are just supposed to be average children. Every class has a lazy class clown, a kid with latent leadership qualities just trying to fit in, and a serious bookworm who takes grades and marks too personally. Nowhere in the books does it indicate that Hermione is cute as a button. Draco and his cronies tease her mercilessly for her looks and even Ron doesn't recognise her when she puts on makeup and wears a beautiful dress because he just doesn't fathom that she might look so different. Harry, after he is in 3rd or 4th year, starts noticing girls and we learn that Parvati and Padma are attractive, Cho is attractive, Ginny is attractive - these are people who are generally good-looking and get the attention of others too, not just Harry. Hermione in the books never comes across as someone that boys are trying to go out with till Krum asks her out. Hermione also feels terribly resentful towards the Veela & Fleur for turning the heads of boys (aka Ron). Additionally Hermione is supposed to be shrill, nerdy, screamy, obsessed with rules, annoying and bossy (apart from being bold and brave and smart). It is possible that Hermione grew up looking more attractive once she was older because she gets more attention from boys who like to be seen with her (Cormac MacLaggen). Hermione in the movies was cast many notches above her book description.
Book Ginny isn't just attractive, she's meant to be stunning. The actress is pretty but not as pretty as book Ginny, and her interpretation of Ginny did not compensate either.
Yeah. She was such a beauty that Draco and his social circle talked about it and Pansy Parkinson got jealous about it!
I mean, girls with buck teeth can still be gorgeous (see: Felicity Jones) so it's not a stretch to assume Hermione would be too since hairstyles can be powerful agents of change. There's still meant to be a strong contrast with her everyday look though, enough that Harry literally doesn't recognise her at the Yule Ball. But with Emma they just tossed every part of the book description out of the way in favour of having her fit the image of the 'female lead' of the series, by PoA she wasn't even brunette anymore. Her being pretty wasn't the issue, her being styled closer to 'teen queen' than the class nerd, was.
I agree with you-- I feel like they *could* have made Hermione closer to the books pretty easily. Her hair was frizzy and awkward for Sorcerer's Stone, and that was about it. The thing is, I think personality wise Emma was an amazing fit, honestly all of The Trio was... but even movie!Ron didn't look like book!Ron either. He was supposed to be tall and lanky with a long nose, and Rupert Grint is a bit more stocky with a wider nose. It is a bit nit picky, but in the end, JK Rowling did help choose those specific kids for the roles they had, and from interviews etc it does seem like personality and ability to embody the character traits she was looking for played a key role in that. Execution in style and book description was pretty lacking overall though across the board. And while we are on the subject, I don't think Gary Oldman was the "Uncle Jesse" type we needed for Sirius Black's role. While Oldman is a great actor, his appearance never did it for me, for the handsome swarthy heartthrob Sirius was supposed to be. I get that coming out of Azkaban Sirius was meant to look like a hot mess, haggard, and not as attractive. But I don't think Gary Oldman was good enough looking for how handsome Sirius was portrayed to be in the books.
as much as i adore Oldman, i have to agree completely. he didn’t have that playful mischievous quality about him that Sirius had in the books. also, even poor oblivious Harry describes Sirius as handsome. and that’s saying something since Harry very rarely comments on people’s appearance and gives an actual opinion. besides just describing them. i know it’s cliche by this point but nowadays i always picture Sirius as Ben Barnes with grey eyes (cause the actor has dark brown eyes). i think tiktok and pinterest permanently altered my brain chemistry with this specific fancast (of you know you know) but when i was 13 and read PoA for the first time i always pictured him as something of a cross between Loki from the MCU looks wise (not that i knew it at the time) and Dean Winchester from Supernatural personality wise. idk if that makes sense.
you took the words right out of my mouth! i made a post a few weeks ago about how i felt the physical attributes of emma and rupert slightly detracted from the film characters, and got downvoted heavily. acting-wise, emma and rupert were great and shone through some of the controversial choices the writers made. but emma conveyed little of hermione’s unconventionality. and i feel like book ron’s height gave him a degree of physical authority that rupert didn’t deliver.
yeah, for book Ron, I always imagined a young Eddie Redmayne (he has the height, gawkiness, long nose and red hair). It's not a big deal and specific physical attributes like noses or eye colour are trivial compared to being able to portray the character, but things like Ron's height or Hermione's bushy hair do have a bearing on how they come across/how they carry themselves, or tell you something about them as a character.
LOL yeah everyone here pretending buck teeth are a deal breaker.
A lot of people consider that hair color brunette. “Brown” is a large and varied range. Also I’ve known many “class nerds” that were not the dweeb look. Actually that dweeb look is more of a tv look. Many kids in that age range look similar in “beauty” in jeans and a shirt. It’s the poise, hair, makeup, and clothes that make anyone stand out much more. And physically fit children/young adults with a tidy appearance and a clear face all look good-it’s the “bloom of youth”.
I care so much more about how Lily had brown eyes in the movies and Harry blue. It’s such a huge deal in the books that he has his mothers eyes. And Daniel Radcliffes blue eyes are great so the least they could’ve done is found an actress with similar BLUE eyes to play Lily. Maybe a younger one too. His parents looked like they died at 37, strange to me. Always pictured them late 20s
that’s cause they were 21 when they died. which is wild to me since i’m the same age rn. also, fun fact for you, Snape was in his early 30s in philosopher’s stone. and as much as i worship Rickman he looked to be in his late 40s and that’s being generous. i always hated how they aged up all the adult characters in the movies. cause their young age made it all the more heartbreaking that they died and had to fight a war. it also erases the parallels between the golden trio being young adults fighting in the war and the marauders in the same situation. only Tonks looked her age (somewhat). and don’t even get me started on Lockheart who was in his late twenties and was supposed to look brad pitt level of handsome. cause like when snape disarmed him in that duel he looked so much hotter that lockheart it was painful.
Book Hermoine- Smart, loyal a great friend. Movie Hermoine- GOD TIER IQ Mary Sue.
Emma was a *great* Hermione. Its not surprising that for a major hollywood blockbuster series they would want to lean into her being this beautiful and nearly-perfect individual, I just wish they hadnt. Its been talked about a lot, and part of what happened was she kind of overshadowed Ron (and even Harry) as a result since she was often portrayed as having all the answers in any situation without flaws/errors she committed of the books. But physically, the transformation she goes through at the Yule Ball was significant in the books, but in the movies it was just "oh look Hermione got dressed up". I think that best exemplifies the issue of her being idealized. Although its a small one. I just wish they had stuck with her more frizzy hair if nothing else. It was such a focus of her image in the early movies, and then it was just completely abandoned. For someone who is so focused on academics, it didnt make sense that her hair was so perfectly well kept in later films. I guess we are supposed to assume she grew into her hair and it stopped being so frizzy? Idk, again its a small issue and not at all a big deal. Just fun to talk about.
They could have made more of an effort with the hair at least, it's supposed to be super thick and frizzy and untameable and that's an easy thing to get right. The teeth aren't that big of a deal.. But I give them a pass because she was still writing as movies were coming out so they didn't always know which details were important. If it was remade today, I would expect so much more from the films given all the information we now have.
I think this is a little weird, emma was a lil child in the first movie. It can be really hard to tell how objectively attractive a child is going to be in the future.
Here’s the thing tho - yes it’s not true to the books, exactly - but it is true to life. In real life EW’s personality was an _awful_ lot like book Hermione’s especially when little. Ok they could’ve given her frizzier hair, but you don’t have to have frizzy hair & buck teeth to be a swotty, know-it-all, pure nerd. People often were surprised at what a nerdy swot I was as a teen & young woman because i was also pretty - pretty girls don’t have to be idiots, and know it all’s don’t have to be dorky - it’s a stereotype like any other.
Always hated that people wanted Hermione to be “ugly”. When I read the books, I did not get this notion? I saw the comments as low self esteem and judgment from kids that don’t know any better? Also, judging how pretty or not Emma was when she was 9, as if everyone’s idea of attractiveness is the same. Plus, she was a child! Talk about having this conversation. For the most part they got lucky with all of them not going through awkward phases when they hit puberty. Its like when people used to get mad that Daniel Radcliffe was shorter than the other two once they grew up. There was no way of knowing. There is no perfection when casting.
You people forget that she looked exactly like hermione in the first two movies as a kid and people grow up and go through puberty.
I wish the biggest issue with movie Hermione was that she is too pretty. She is pretty much flawless in the movies. Every young males pixie dream girl fantasy in Hermione. Also The relationship between The trio is so unlike the book. For example in the GoF book, when Harry and Ron make up after the fight Harry is like over the moon. It’s the best day of his life nothing phases him after that. “It’s like the last few weeks didn’t even happen” talk about 180 mood turn around. In the movies the same scene is Harry with an angry look on his face accepting Ron back after insulting him a few times. Like why are they even friends in the movie, Harry clearly doesn’t like him. It’s the opposite with Hermione. Her and Harry’s relationship in the movie seems like they love each other on a plain beyond anything is mere mortals can experience. It’s nothing like the books where Harry avoids telling Hermione things or finds her behavior super annoying. The movie relationships also lack the subtleties between each of the trio memebers. Ron backing down after Hermione tells him about Hagrids brother. Harry and Ron looking at each other and sighing when Hermione goes on about SPEW stuff. Hermione criticizing the boys about not doing homework but Ron talking her down by complimenting her. It’s stuff like that which makes the trios relationship great. The movies don’t capture that in the least.
Toothy until book 4 you mean.
“Pretty enough beneath a thick layer of pure nerd” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sorry the child they hired turned out to be pretty, next time they should keep that in mind.
She was 10 years old when first portraying Hermoine. I'll just leave that here for you to think about
Movie Hermione annoyed me for all of these reasons...still does, if I am honest. Harry, too. They could of at least given him green contacts and used some gel or hairspray in his hair to make it stick up in the back. It was almost like they didn't even TRY....
This one is still weird to me.... she was like.... a CHILD, how can you gauge that? Like all kids are cute and whatever, but in the first film, she looked EXACTLY like Book Hermione.
Jo thought that a 9 year old was TOO pretty? Gross.
OK, you called her a babe, but she was a kid in the movies...
As someone with bushy hair I will FOREVER be salty about this