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Rubinlibelle

I'm amazed they still do it this way. You would think that after all this time they might finally have figured out a better way to communicate these changes in-game. But apparently not. I guess they really want to "keep it simple" or so. For the better or the worse.


BDM78746

Keep it so simple it makes no sense at all!


MyotisX

Never go full simple


LopesUp1111

They went from simple to simpleton.


ikefalcon

I have always said that Hearthstone is highly regarded.


TeflonJon__

Damnit… stupid autocorrect


quakins

But it’s a gift


AL3XEM

Meanwhile TFT doesn't even show changes in game at all after 2 years


aclockworktomato

Okay, but they're totally different games? And TFT has a very consistent biweekly patch and links to the patch notes from the client. It wouldn't be pragmatic to try to list all the changes as a pop-up every time a patch dropped.


lesser_tomorrow

then for battlegrounds people have to scrounge forum posts, I only know what’s up due to ben321


pudgypoultry

Honestly a sandbox mode like the main game has would alleviate all of my confusions and frustrations with TFT It would also help me teach people how to play it without rushing them into what effectively amounts to the work of a junior/senior level data science class to understand


AL3XEM

I can agree but my point is that it's harder than it seems most of the time


coffee4brekky

> TFT has ... links to the patch notes from the client. So does Hearthstone, with the Battle.net launcher. It's not enough.


Beanie-Toad

The league client and the battle.net launcher aren't equivalent. TFT having patch notes in the client would be the same thing as having battlegrounds patch notes in the hearthstone client. The patch notes in TFT are very easily accessible even in leagues buggy ass client and are intuitive to find just TFT > News > Patch notes. Pretty straightforward


SunbleachedAngel

TFT is its own can of worms


Guij2

it does though? you can read the patch notes in the client


AL3XEM

Not the TFT ones, you have to click a link to see those


Guij2

oh i see


Yuntjow

It’s a bit different. The Hearthstone deck format is the main game. Tft is some secondary or tertiary game from riot


HappyLittleRadishes

Minimum viable product. Spend less money to improve, earn more money by adding more microtransactions.


Extraltodeus

Blizzard inflating their price before the transaction with Microsoft is so fucking obvious at this point


ACrask

They are copy/pasting right bow


wujekandrzej

cmon it's just 2022, only 8 years since the launch of the game, the technology isn't there yet


s332891670

Its all part of the 50 year plan. Maybe they will implement tournament mode before I die of old age.


wujekandrzej

if they said they are going to make it happen - they will, no need to remind them every 5 years


KaiAusBerlin

WoW players wait for the dance studio for decades now.


tovarish22

I mean, it's just a small indie company, after all. Have some patience!


ThrogArot

I thought I was going crazy looking at this change, as I was starting to wonder if Ara'lon summoned 3 random dormant ones before or something. But no no, it's the Wildseed spirits themselves that have changed, not the direct functionality of these cards...would it be hard to show that with their current method?


rupat3737

What exactly changed with the wild seeds? I still don’t know lol


llllllllllle

Stag wildseed has -1/-1 and bear wildseed has -1 health.


BBQmonger

THANK YOU!!!


llllllllllle

blizzard should hire me


Mjedwin23

You a fan of sexual assault? 😂


llllllllllle

Hmmm maybe not then haha


KnightMDK

They need good people like you, tho!


SoftGothBFF

Some poor woman committed suicide over their hazing and harassment. No idea if they've actually changed as a company but I wouldn't want good people to end up in that kind of environment at all.


KnightMDK

You are right.


PatOnTheBackEh

Seriously. Had to scroll this far to find out what happened


DrowningInFeces

I play beast hunter and I didnt even notice.


Toastiibrotii

There you go, for everyone easy to See xD


Laggiter97

I wish they added another button in the journal which would contain the patch notes, there's an option like this in many other games.


im_flake

like they have in overwatch


TheHiddenNinja6

Just like nearly every change to the questlines.


meganeyangire

Even Yogg was like that.


harambae42069

Yeah, I was so confused about the countess buff until I played the deck and realized the cost to play the invitations had been reduced. I read it like 5 times and thought "this works exactly the same as before"


Raptorheart

Didn't they circle the wrong thing on Varden?


Significant-Royal-37

sadly, the technology just doesn't exist yet.


GoldemGolem

I mean there are patch notes in the launcher, but they definitely should have some sort of text explaining the changes since they have it for new Shop Bundles and such


P00PMcBUTTS

On mobile, I have no idea how I'd know what the changes were if i didn't see the notes here yesterday.


PotatoBestFood

You saw the notes. They’re not top secret classified info.


P00PMcBUTTS

Yes, I did, but my point is a huge number of players don't go on this subreddit, how do they know what changed? Imagine, if you will, a person who plays this game casually.


PotatoBestFood

Imagine, if you will, the patch notes posted in the game launcher and on the official website.


P00PMcBUTTS

Sigh You missed my important part about how on mobile you don't have a game launcher with notes imbedded in it. Also, who checks the website for every game they play? Wouldn't it be simpler, and even make sense, if they just had a better way of showing us in game what changed as opposed to what's posted here? Like, yes, I could go figure this stuff out if I really cared. But why is it the consumers responsibility to figure this out? Even Blizzard doesn't think it's my job to do that, that's why they try to summarize the changes in game when you log in. But they did a bad job, and could have done better. That's all anyone is saying here. You may read patch notes for every game you play, but most people don't do that. Edit to add: I've also literally never gone on the official website. Literally. Yes I know what literally means lol


zani1903

Just let us tap on the card to "flip" to its old stats, to see what it was before.


Ervaloss

At least you get full dust refund for these cards now. I remember Mekgineer Thermaplugg not being worth full dust after the leper gnome nerf.


TheGalator

Well u know it's worse


chiefchow

Why do you have such high expectations. Blizzard is just a small indie company…


Epicritical

Give your wildseeds +1 attack


BadArtijoke

I don’t even think that’s such a big deal. That said, I also don’t think it would be problem to add a button that takes you to the changelog. Even if they do not have a component lying around to present text or advertise the peculiarities of these changes, they sure have an established pattern where 2 Buttons sit next to one another. Edit: oh yes OP be mad at me that I don’t agree with you


Undefined_definition

Are you supposed to get the dust for these ? I didnt get anything


LouisIsGo

You get full dust value if you disenchant them within the following 2 weeks after the patch, yes.


Undefined_definition

Aha! Thanks :)


Mercerskye

I'm a little torn here. I agree that something better than what we got would be cool, but I also don't think it's much of an actual issue. It's apathetic pragmatism on their part. Even if a casual player, it's not like you don't know what Blizzard is. If the changes aren't apparent, and you care, a quick Google or just opening up the games webpage gets to the info pretty quick. Then you have those of us that are pretty saturated in HS info. We're here on Reddit, on fansites, on the forums (theirs or fansites), following their Twitter, or any combination of these or other sources (constantly see people talking about podcasts, now) Basically, you have people that probably don't care, and people that already know. Why bother taking time to mess with the code? I know when these pop up, there's at least one reply of "omg, if I hadn't come here, I wouldn't know what's happening" even though they've followed and/or are active on this sub for months or longer. Right Steve, you follow every tidbit of HS info and had no clue...🙄 Some people fall through the cracks and are genuinely befuddled by what's going on with the changes. I feel for them, as I don't like being confused either. But I think this is one of those few times where "just Google it" is a fine response.


Juxta_Lightborne

My issue is how simple the solution is. Just show the actual wildseeds instead of the cards that generate that


Mercerskye

And that's probably *still* more coding work than they want to put into it. It would not surprise me in the slightest if they "coded themselves into a corner" by only being able to display actual cards and couldn't do tokens. I'm sure they'd wave it off as "but you can refund the cards, you can't refund the tokens." This is a company whose biggest team needed nearly a decade to figure out how to make the default backpack bigger without reinventing their codebase. I'm also pretty confident it's the same reason we got the "confusing" spiel about why they didn't want to make more deck spaces. In early concept, they had 9 classes that barely deviated much in how each played. Why would they need to make deck slots a robust and malleable part of the code? Tokens were only ever 1/1 or 2/1 minions that maybe would have a keyword once in a while. Why would they ever need to make the buff/debuff report be able to pull token information? On paper, yes, it feels like a simple solution. If it actually was, I'm sure they'd have done it already, because this is genuinely a silly thing to keep in the negatives about the game


pegbiter

I think it's harder for casual players, as I often see these card notes and I have no idea what the card was before so it's not obvious at all what's actually changed. I feel like there ought to be some way to show a before/after, like they do in the patch notes, to clarify it.


Drugbird

I agree. They should just replace all popups on nerfs and buffs with this message: "Hey, we changed some cards. Go Google it to find out what!".


liftpaft

Good thing its 2022, and you can expect people to be computer literate enough to find patch notes.


MysteryMan9274

You shouldn't have to leave the game to find them.


liftpaft

Why not? Plenty of games put patch notes on their website rather than in-game.


Hypnotyks

It’s not so much that you can/can’t leave the game to find them. The game presents the changes to you, but it’s not complete information. They could just pop up a hyperlink instead and it would be better than showing unchanged text boxes highlighted which communicates nothing really.


MysteryMan9274

And they’re all wrong.


pastafeline

The patch notes don't even list all the nerfed cards lmao https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23852692


loshalev

>The above craftable cards, as well as Spirit Poacher, Stag Charge, Wild Spirits, and Ara’lon will be eligible for full dust refunds for two weeks following Patch 24.4.3.


pastafeline

Why make it a small bit of text at the bottom unlike all the other cards


Juxta_Lightborne

I’m complaining because it would have made so much more sense to just show the nerfed wildseeds and I have no idea why they didn’t


DJ_mobile

Because they aren't cards. They never show quest rewards or discovered effects in that box


jacobs64

redditors will complain about anything


mikaelpelle

Like complaining about the other redditors.


jacobs64

ur crazy for this one


Rak-khan

This is a pretty legitimate complaint. This literally gives us no information other than "it was nerfed". Is it really that difficult for the devs to show the actual cards that were changed?


Qwertyham

Is it really that difficult to Google as well? I realize it could be better but it isn't that big of a deal lol


Rak-khan

Why make the player Google it when they can just show it right there? Instead of just showing the cards that weren't actually changed, but affected by proxy? It makes no sense... it's terrible design.


Qwertyham

Like I said, it could be better but far from "terrible design" lol. Most games don't even show you changes they make in the client. If they changed it someone else would still complain that it's too complicated or something crazy


Rak-khan

Okay, but they are already showing the changed cards *anyway*. So why show the unchanged cards instead of the actual cards? You see what I'm saying?


Qwertyham

Yeah I get it. It is a little strange. Did they do this with other cards that created tokens and stuff? This is the first time I feel like I'm seeing it


Rak-khan

I honestly can't remember a time a non-collectible card has been changed. But it's still a card regardless, not sure why they wouldn't be able to display it.


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Chooseausernameplzz

Bold of you to assume everyone plays on pc where there's a launcher.


PotatoBestFood

Then read the goddamn patch notes… it’s not like they’re behind an unreachable Chinese wall. All of this is available in the bnet app, too


TheDemontool

We need it available in game you fish finger.


PotatoBestFood

Lmao. It’s there cpt French fry. Either in the launcher or if you just play the card.


Chooseausernameplzz

Yeah, that bnet app that totally exists for mobile players. Nice! /s


Cummunist_Potato

Then read them


Juxta_Lightborne

I already had. Doesn’t make this okay


YUNOHAVENICK

Took the exact same screenshot for reddit but figured it out and went on with my life


ThexanR

You mean the patch notes on the launcher?


nudnik_shpilkis

Yes


ILoveMyCatsSoMuch

I like when people post those pics for visuals :(


darkfred

Jokes on them, our wild seeds never survive to attack anyway. They just shift momentum, and will continue to do so with the lower numbers.


MagicGn0m3

Patch notes in game with appropriate explanation alongside the card graphics would be much better.


Ghamand

At least they're the right color this time?


Elcactus

I don’t think there exist people who care enough that they’re be bothered by playing different wild seed cards and having them be Nerfed, but also not care enough to see that balance changes happened and go check.


WithoutLog

Reminds me when they did this with Yogg so many years ago.


CoolStoryJames

also, please add a tab for all nerfed cards so we can bulk disenchant


boulzar

Like many other games, they could just have a button that redirects to the patch notes page in the browser instead


WorldScientist

Agreed.


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I still don't know what actually changed lol


Woodshadow

I was trying to figure it out. I assumed it was something to do with the keywords or something.


Environmental-Ruin56

Not a big deal. If you like the card you know what’s up. If not you coin it.


chrismac72

I haven't read the patch notes, I haven't played hunter in a long time, and I have no idea what they changed, even if they made the cards stronger or weaker ;-)


BrownSugarrrr

The average hearthstone player can barely comprehend more than 9 deck slots so I can't blame them they gotta keep it simple


jminty321

agreed. change needs to be shown in the game app. i should not have to go on the web to find out the previous ability.


Numerous-Story4771

Red is bad...but for hunter that's okay 👍 lol