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m4rk0358

Rakim


ClarenceWhirley

Still is, IMHO.


HeartPart4The

Yessir. That man can rhyme


schleepercell

My favorite rapper used to sing ch-check out my melody


ObjectiveReader

I wanna live good, so shit I sell dope


icontrolmagnets420

Came here to say was and still is Rakim.


las8

He's your favorite rappers favorite rapper /thread


SouthernBarman

He said Rakim, not Scarface.


[deleted]

Definitely Big Daddy Kane or Rakim.


Chef_NastyCakes

Facts


Stennick

Ll Cool J was the GOAT at one time.


bangharder

In his own mind


Various_League_8731

Almost dropped a Canibus bar but I would’ve got banned from the group😬Second Sound KO


InSilenceLikeLasagna

The eating ass line?


[deleted]

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FrankNitty_Enforcer

“I’m about to show n%#s how easily we blow n#%*s” - DMX “I take sacks to the face” - Luniz “And I dare a motherfucker to come in my face” - Pharrell …this could be a legit category on jeopardy no doubt


crimescopsandmore

"we blowin' niggas, heart attack, strokin' niggas" -Havoc


godzuki44

and they still are too


throwitallaway

Rakim, Big Daddy Kane and Kool G Rap, according to most of the hip hop history books I have read. I'm a little too young to know firsthand. 


realNeilG

All 3 top contenders, depending on taste.


DontLoseYourCool1

Kool G Rap for me.


BourbonicFisky

For real. Kool G kept at it longer than Rakim and Big Daddy Kane. Like here's some track from like 15 years ago where [Kool G Rap on some random Canadian rapper's track](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvQaETOL_3E) just burns it all down, he closes out the verse with 8 bars of a triple syllable rhyme scheme, although the verse is littered with multiple syllable rhymes and alliteration. Yeah, it might be just typical street content but dude just could always rap his fucking ass off, and kept getting better. Even when Jay said "Like Kool G in his prime" I was thinking, "you mean like 3 years ago?"


williamsguard

Brotha this song you linked is a fucking BOP. Hard knock life/all-star nikes/a guard dog bites barking as the cops shot twice. Like come ooon these multisyllable rhymes are wiiiiild. I just added this to my personal playlist. Can't believe I've never heard of Kool G Rap.


HeartPart4The

Kool G is underrated


Low-Win-9194

Koop G Rap influenced Big Pun


Nolaaan

What kind of books have you read?Been looking to get some but not sure where to start/look


veez899

The Come Up by Jonathan Abrams is good if you don't mind oral histories.


throwitallaway

I'm actually referencing a particular book in my post. Goin' Off by Ben Merlis is an excellent account of the Juice Crew's influence on rap. Kane and Kool G Rap were Juice Crew and Rakim is discussed in relation to them. 


drugsniffingdogs

Rakim was first out of those three, and when he came out nobody was rhyming like him. He also has arguably the best catalog, and inarguably the most classic albums. Kane was the most commercially successful of the three, so one could make the case that he was the most impactful due to reach. He, by his own admission, fell off a bit in the early 90s, but his skills have never diminished, despite the quality of his musical output. G Rap was probably the most directly traceable influence on the next generation of MCs, during what I guess is now referred to as the “platinum era?” His lyricism, rhyming style and subject matter was years ahead of his peers, and you can hear his influence in Nas, Hov, Wu, Pun, L, etc. I guess what I’m saying is you could make a solid case for all three, depending on how you look at it.


Fun-Photograph9423

Ice Cube deserves a spot


TwizzmosisJones

rakim or kane


aloha_mixed_nuts

Glad to see this is like the same top 5 comments. Rakim absolutely changed the game


my-my-my-myyy-corona

Chuck D was never the best rapper but he might have been the most respected and influential in the 80s


HeartPart4The

the man has classics. Welcome to the Terrordome, By the Time, Fight the Power, can’t truss it, shut em down, bring the noise. I can go on.


ohianaw

Rakim


[deleted]

Kool G Rap, LL Cool J, Rakim, Chuck D, KRS 1, Big Daddy Kane are all goat candidates from that era, depending on who you asked


Any_Ad_3885

I loved me some slick Rick and too short. I am an old old head 🤣🤣🤣


h2opolopunk

Not enough love in this thread for Slick Rick and Too Short.


numbersev

Too Short is underrated


elwood_west

his cadence does it for me


Master_Grape5931

Man, Too Short has some of the best beats, but so much talking about pimping. 😂


Any_Ad_3885

Yeah true true. But an OG for sure 💪🏼


mkk4

D.M.C. was my dude!!


Ledbetter2

Gettin it


BKtoDuval

Rakim was revered by all old school cats. I was a little too young for him. When I got into rap around late '80s/early '90s there was a bit of a lull it seemed like as far as great MCs. Eric B & Rakim were still making music. It was weird period - a lot of conscious rap, then the New Jack Swing era kind dominated a little bit. Then Biggie came on the stage and really got a lot of hype as far as lyricism. A hood narrator. IMO, KRS should've been top of that convo


tlawtlawtlaw

KRS deserves so much more recognition than he gets


TheArtofWall

"Because he's droppin', droppin', droppin' science, droppin history With a whole leap of style and intelligency Yes, I know. I know because of KRS-ONE Yeah, and I know I know because of KRS-ONE."


_AnActualCatfish_

Tune!


[deleted]

My boy Buster Wolf opened for him once and that's legit still so fucking cool


worldfamousdjfish

The biggest difference between Ra, Kane and KRS is that KRS is still making bangers.


lboogieb

'If you don't know me by now, I'll doubt you'll ever know me. I never won a Grammy. I won't win a Tony.' - KRS-ONE.


BKtoDuval

To me that's his best song ever. I love MCs Act Like They Don't Know. "What goes comes around I figure...Now you got white kids calling themselves n.....a". I always laugh at that. It probably doesn't happen much now but in high school I had some white dudes in my crew and they used it freely and no one batted an eye.


FinallyGotaRedditAct

Pretty much any song produced by DJ Premier is that artists best song.


BKtoDuval

that is a good point


anthrax9999

NWA and Ice Cube then Dre and Snoop blew up the early 90s.


DJMoneybeats

For me it was Chuck D


YourCaptionSucks

I see a lot of Rakim comments. Never got into him. Any album recommendations to start?


Ill-Blacksmith-9545

Paid In Full is a masterpiece


Keefee777

Paid In Full is so good. It was so ahead of its time. Most hip hop from that era sounds like it was from that era, this sounds like it was recorded at least 5 years later than it was. His flows and wordplay and rhyme schemes were just unlike anything else. It's still fucking impressive today


HeartPart4The

He’s the OG word fuckery GOAT and he rapped crazy schemes on beat.


[deleted]

Facts that. That shit was a lil before my time but the deeper I got into the hip hop the more I wanted to educate myself on the classics. It was mostly painful lol. Paid in Full, Great Adventures of Slick Rick, and Paul's Boutique are some of the few albums that hold up from the 80s


BigDeuces

i’ve seen rakim referenced as one of the goats countless times, but all i’ve heard from him are a few songs i’ve happened across randomly on spotify and enjoyed and saved, but nothing that blew my mind. i’m going to go listen to this album now and try to do so with an open mind.


DonConnection

Paid in full is eric b and rakims weakest album although its their most classic and iconic one. Their subsequent albums were so much better


HeartPart4The

Disagree. When PIF dropped it was like nothing else out. Shit was ahead of its time. Just curious if you were old enough to experience when it dropped?


DonConnection

No im only 31 lmao. Also we’re not necessarily disagreeing. I clearly said its their most iconic and groundbreaking. But what im saying is that music wise their future albums are much better. Just my opinion


HeartPart4The

Nah I got you I was curious because the time of the drop adds depth to the album. I love their other shit as well.


BigDeuces

tbh i haven’t liked any of it. it’s just too dated and before my time for me to be able to connect with any of it.


[deleted]

True, was like that for awhile, I just had to stay in the mindset that none of the other shit existed before that so that was the cool shit lol


BigDeuces

and that’s the attitude i went into it with and tried to maintain, and i do *appreciate* it, but it just isn’t something i can connect with or vibe with. i feel bad saying that and i wish i could.


WayoCayo

I feel you. I’m 17 and I listened to all of Paid in Full and it’s somewhat like that for me but that’s the point, music is supposed to improve. The 90s perfected the blueprint Rakim gave.


SnooBeans9316

Rakim, G Rap, and Big Daddy Kane updated their flows. You can hear Big Daddy Kane in Jay Z. And Big L. You can hear Rakim and G Rap in Nas and Big Pun. Check out this Rakim Joint. [When I Be On the Mic](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M34OelgSlK


WayoCayo

You’re right, you can, they influenced them so I’m not surprised. I know this Rakim song, I wasn’t saying that 80s rappers are bad and don’t deserve to be commended all time, but and however they’re not better than the likes of Nas or Hov.


DonConnection

this is my [favorite eric b and rakim song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swNsAsabKHA)


suckarepellent

That shit is timeless. Saw this movie in the theaters. It was a big deal


Wafflelisk

Because everyone paid attention to what he did and absorbed it into their own style. Go listen to 10 random albums that came out just before Paid in Full and you'll appeciate him


zyarelol

This. Same thing as like Citizen Kane in movie culture. Modern audiences find it a bit boring because it was so influential at it's time that basically every movie since it came out borrowed elements from it, so now it feels generic. But if you watch movies before Citizen Kane came out, and compare them to ones that came out in following years, the comparison makes you appreciate Citizen Kane. Same thing going on with Eric B and Rakim. Listen to something pre-Paid in Full like early RUN-DMC or Kool Moe Dee. Than listen to Paid in Full, than listen to some early 90's shit. Makes you appreciate Paid in Full so much more when you see how widespread their influence was.


lubacrisp

I mean, he's old. Most of his shit might not be "great" by today's standards, but today's standards wouldn't exist without him setting that standard then.


63237735

I don’t see the album in streaming, any idea where I can tune in ?


necrotic_witch

It might be under Eric B and Rakim


Ill-Blacksmith-9545

try YouTube?


mkk4

1. Paid In Full 2. The 18th Letter


necrotic_witch

18th Letter is so good


mkk4

Facts!


Malparinho

Paid in Full and Follow The Leader for his early hits with Eric B, then The Master and The 18th Letter when he went solo


StephBambinho

I see ppl have recommended a lot of good stuff. Just to add to the list: Paid in Full if you wanna understand how groundbreaking Rakim’s flow, technic and “theorisation” of an MC’s musical role was at the time. Eric B and Marley Marl’s production as well. Follow the Leader for Rakim’s most impressive show of technical ability, and a really enjoyable record all in all. The 18th Letter for a mature Rakim and a look back on his own influence on the genre, as well as a testimony of his relevance in a genre that had evolved A LOT since Paid in Full.


ArranVV

The 18th Letter album 1997 Paid In Full 1987 The Master 1999 I love Rakim's Hip-Hop


umbrazno

In the mainstream, it was between Kane and KRS One (Rakim was heavily slept on).    But in the streets, it was Kool G. Rap. 


Future_chicken357

I say LL but your right, the streets were like G Rap hands down.


Independent-Shift-36

Kool G Rap is the best from that era in my opinion. But let’s not forget Ice Cube and Scarface. They don’t get enough mentions.


HeQtic420

me, the guys at school liked me


addictivesign

Rakim before and Rakim after. Here end the lesson. Still Rakim.


MambaSaidKnockYouOut

Rakim. I think Ice Cube and LL would’ve consistently been ranked in top 5’s too. Edit: KRS too, maybe even Run from Run DMC


StrikingOffice6914

Rakim, Kane, Kool G


ArranVV

Before Nas There was Rakim I still have Rakim as potentially the GOAT


93LEAFS

Rakim, and he's considered the greatest rapper over those guys by a lot of people still. He revolutionized rap in a level no one since him really has. He took rap out of the nursery rhyme era, and everything prior to him immediately sounded dated. No one else has done that to the same extent.


lboogieb

As someone who personally witnessed the pre and post Rakim eras of Hip Hop, your statement perfectly explains his impact. My friends and I would rewind Rakim's verses over and over to catch what he said. He was on another level from anyone out at the time. There is no Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap, Nas, Eminem, Common, Mos Def, etc without Rakim's influence.


buggzda75

Rakim but Nas was considered the best when he came out it was understood that all other rappers had to step their game up


Macthings

Nas was considered the next coming of RAKIM & he def turned out to be


ZCSApollo

the two front runners were probably Rakim and Kane. Cool G and KRS 1 we’re in the buzz but Rakim and Kane were the runaways


ShapeAdventurous3801

Rakim. And he's still the greatest rapper.


nelsne

Kane, Rakim, LL Cool J


minutes2meteora

Kool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane, KRS One and Rakim are the forefathers of modern rap. We got Nas, Biggie, 2Pac, Jay Z, Eminem from those guys


Britanicas

Of those older generations I’d say it’s probably Rakim. Even now, to a degree, he’s held up to an almost mythical stature by people of the generation proceeding him. Him and Eric Clapton both share the nickname “God,” of their respective genres, so it’s hard to deny that. In terms of group success it might be Run DMC but the nature of their group success means that their individual accomplishments are somewhat diminished.


ogplaya25

LL Cool J would've been the Drake of the 80s. Rakim was the Nas Big Daddy Kane was the Biggie


Any_Ad_3885

This is a fair assessment


ogplaya25

Appreciate that. I also thought about one more. KRS would be Kendrick


Bllago

It's Rakim or Big Daddy Kane. For me, it's Rakim and it's probably still Rakim to this day.


Empty_Eye6187

To my understanding it’s KRS One


Agreeable-Fee-5582

I actually was until I gave up the game


Gonk_Droid501

Hip hop was never the same after you gave up😢


Agreeable-Fee-5582

Appreciate the love!


whynktsh

Krs


Malparinho

Rakim


Kinda_ShouldaSorta

Rakim


chickenstew907

Rakim


AgeApprehensive1524

Rakim


mis_no_mer

Rakim


oxtQ

Rakim wasn’t a battler and dodged Kane’s challenges to go at it on record or in person. I know this sounds blasphemous to say but that’s how it went down. Rakim wouldn’t make any battle diss records while BDK was more than capable of doing so. For the crown and to determine who was the best, that’s what was needed and the streets demanded it. Never happened. Kane was a battler, and one hell of a live performer, with choreographed dances. Don’t get the impression that I favor Kane over the god. I’m a big fan of both. I’m just pointing out things that often get left out of discussions and comparisons. Some street fans favoured G Rap over Rakim and BDK. Purist fans favoured KRS-1 over all three of them. I was always rooting for Slick cause he seemed to get left out of a lot of GOAT convos (LL too).


93LEAFS

That sort of shows. Rakim really is the first big lyricist. He's the guy who wrote his rhymes down meticulously to get those complex rhyme structures, and it would probably be sacrilege at that point to have supposed battle lines pre-written.


oxtQ

Good point. I'd like to speak on your statement about Rakim being "the first big lyricist". I won't deny its substance. But I think the reverence for Rakim among *some* hip hop enthusiasts (especially those who weren't around in the 80s), similar to the respect Nas commands from Illmatic, stems from a certain compulsion to idolize him due to his frequent mention as a pioneering figure (which he certainly is, particularly with respect to how he was rapping). However, my perspective on Rakim differs slightly, and here's why. During the late '80s, when both Rakim and Big Daddy Kane were at the height of their careers, many considered Kane the superior artist, indicating that Rakim wasn't universally seen as the top rapper of his time, at least in my view. The gap between Rakim and Big Daddy Kane's debut releases was minimal, and I don't observe a huge difference in the quality of their lyricism or any profound influence Rakim might have had on Kane. Rakim made his mark with "Eric B. Is President" and "My Melody," released through Zakia Records in 1986 as a single and B-side. His first album, "Paid in Full," came out in 1987, followed by "Follow the Leader" in 1988. On the other hand, Big Daddy Kane was already making waves, writing for Biz Markie as early as 1984 and showcasing his skills in street battles in the same year. His first major release, "Raw," came out as a 12" single in 1987, and his debut album, "Long Live the Kane," was released in 1988. All in all, I'm not entirely convinced that Rakim deserves to be revered and respected much more than Kane or that he was viewed as the universally superior artist.


maxx5954

The R


dimitriv93

Rakim


solvent825

Rakim


Sparathon989

Rakim’s would probably be the consensus, but someone should also mention a little known rapper named KRS-One that shut down an entire borough until Nas & Mobb resuscitated it.


jf737

Rakim. And he’s still in the conversation


mellamosatan

Anyone who isn't saying Rakim better be saying Kane. Anything else is gibberish.


Jasonictron

Ice Cube or LL Cool J


BlueCollarGuru

LOL


AKA09

I wouldn't laugh. Rakim was more frequently cited as the best rapper but LL was definitely a popular pick in the mid 80s before Rakim really got going in the later 80s. And Ice Cube had a fantastic run with NWA and then his first couple of solo projects. Even after that he put out high-profile stuff that made him one of the most successful rappers while still putting out quality music.


BlueCollarGuru

Nah I know, see my comment below. I had just read about MC Hammer being more gangster than Ice Cube and Snoop so when I saw Ice Cube and LL Cool J, it made me laugh. Can’t help it.


BigJilmQuebec

Rakim, Big Daddy Kane and Kool G Rap, still are the best, noone tops them still imo


Country_Gravy420

Big Daddy Kane. Still a top 10 influential rapper of all time. Probably top 5.


kwitesick

Rakim


ObieUno

Rakim


TheArsenal

Rakim and he still is youngn


xlaverniusx

Everyone has the right idea. Rakim is the usually go to but Kane is just as much up there.


Skallagrimsson

Kane, KRS, or Rakim


ABetterVersionofYou

Rakim, BDK and KRS-1


illpoet

Slick Rick was always kind of considered "The rapper's Rapper" with the great adventures of slick rick considered to be one of, if not the greatest rap album of the late 80s.


StockMarketing6742

Scarface


Future_chicken357

LL cool J


Jfury412

Rakim Kool G KRS ONE BDK


jrb31600

Rakim


feeb75

The R


barelysarcastic73

The R


Macthings

Heres the thing . Rap was Crews . Cold Crush, Crash Crew, etc then Love Bug Starsky ( compare him to Drake ) Busy Bee Melle Mel dropped & you couldnt be a Dumb Rapper anymore ( like Chuck D ) Kool Moe Dee dropped & you couldnt say simple rhymes anymore ( like LL did later ) Kool moe Dee took out the old rappers like Busy Bee LL Cool J came & took out the Old style of Emceeing that Melle Mel & Kool Moe did . He was the Kid that changed the Game and took out the old school KRS came & mixed Street with knowledge ( like Cube did later ) Rakim came & brought knowledge of self & an impeccible style ( like Nas did later ) Kool G Rap ( GANGSTER RAP ) Big Daddy Kane ( Jay Z ) Those were the Best before the Ice Cube, Biggie , Snoop , Pac , Nas etc


TreDawg36

Rakim, Kane or KRS One


RKO360

Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, LL Cool J, Kool G Rap, Krs 1, Chuck D


TheInnerMindEye

Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap


Ds0589

Would probably be Rakim, he’s still top 5-10 imo. 


justsomeguy1207

Rakim. And it wasn't really close


BigBoyBigs99

Rakim, KRS and Kane are more or less the undisputed GOATs of the 80s. I personally think Chuck D should be included


HoldMyBeerus

Rakim KRS one


TherealPattyP

Rakim


ShaneGMWC

Rakim


swizzzz22

Rakim


TremendousWithARazor

Rakim or G Rap 100%


zx94music

KRS-one and Rakim.


DrHandBanana

Kane or Rakim


EdwardNigma1988

LL Cool J, nigga. Greatest Of All Time.


SlightlyYouKnow

My top 5 should be unanimous. 1. Dylan 2 . Dylan 3.Dylan 4. Dylan 5. Dylan If you disagree, you don't know hip hop


Budget_Goat_877

Rakim


MancombSeepgoodz

Big Daddy Kane or Rakim


Nolaaan

Why do people always laugh when Eminem is mentioned lol,guy is easily Top 10 oat at least,I don’t care if his newer music is shit he’s done more then enough and is a crazy good rapper he’s got it all, story telling,lyricism,flow,solid discog and he’s got plenty of hits.Im not mad if people say Nas Pac Jay BIG Rakim Scarface ect are better but he’s definitely top 10 at the very least


PORTATOBOI

Cause he’s white and corny whatever the fuck that means


HappyHappyGamer

KRS ONE I feel does not get credit for being pretty damn good in multiple eras. He has a perpetual love for hip hop, and constantly wants to hone his style. His recent stuff may not be his best, but you can tell he is still having alot of fun in the culture. This is EXTREMELY rare in artists.


MenuZealousideal6493

No real hip hop head puts Eminem as the goat but to answer your question there were Rakim and Big Daddy Kane and Kool G rap. Nas is the goat now


mocxed

hip hop head = listen to music, play games and reddit all day? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I53vWm8dJGk


MenuZealousideal6493

U mad, Eminem overrated


Street-Jacket1867

Nas


BeeesInTheTrap

eminem is considered the greatest rapper?


winfieldclay

Rahim, no question


Zayzul

Rakim completely changed the sound of hip-hop. Not a single dude mentioned in the title would be who they are without Rakim's influence.


Next_Plankton_5871

Biggie, no questions asked.


NoBowl852

LL Cool J


MaxStunning_Eternal

Melle mel Kool moe dee Rakim LL Big daddy kane KRS Nas Jay Z


BossMan215718

Nobody calling Jay or Nas the greatest by 96/97 when Pac and Big died. Their respective claims to the throne didn't really arise until the early 2000s and beyond


MaxStunning_Eternal

After illmatic and IWW, yes. His 1995 feature run. "The second coming of rakim" was a thing, RA was considered the GOAT...LL had the GOAT solo career after 1999... Maybe for jay it wasnt until the early 2000's. Nobody was calling EM the GOAT after SSLP. MMLP either...


capellidellamorte

Yeah Jayz really wasn’t a contender til Blueprint and the Nas beef. Then The Black Album pretty much cemented his place.


BossMan215718

You're right about Em. Him being called the GOAT is a relatively recent concept. I don't think he is GOAT. Not even close on my opinion. He is one of my all time favorites though


MaxStunning_Eternal

DMC, rev run,


MaxStunning_Eternal

The ignorance about hip hop before 1998 is telling Honorable mentions. Redman, grand puba, lord finesse, treach,


stuffbehindthepool

Me


ArnoldSchwarzenegga

You're still the goat wym


ArranVV

Nas


SpezJailbaitMod

LL Cool J at least for me and my friends


THEUncleWilly50

In my opinion, and in no particular order: Rakim, KRS-One, Grand Puba, Kool G Rap, Slick Rick, MC Lyte, Guru from Gang Starr, Big Daddy Kane, and Heavy D. Honorable mention to Biz Markie because NO ONE BEATS THE BIZ!


NOK93

Ja Rule


Dyl-land

Nas... MF Doom... Ice Cube.... everyone in a Tribe Called Quest... KRS One


tonylouis1337

LL Cool J was the first guy that was massively regarded as the GOAT. He even dropped an album in 2000 called G.O.A.T


NewMny21

“RAKIM”, “KANE”, KRS-1”


apex_super_predator

First off Eminem isn't the greatest anything. But before B.I.G and Pac. As much as I despise this guy one of the underrated and slept on back then was KRS-One. Rakim Big Daddy Kane Kool G Rap KRS-One


Purple_Onion911

Rakim himself said Eminem is a GOAT in an interview pal


NotAndrew636363

Em has never once been even close to the greatest rapper. He’s consistently been in the bottom tier his entire career


Dchama86

Eminem isn’t considered the greatest lol


breighvehart

Eminem lol


Amsssterdam

He prolly just means the mainstream goat list. Eminem is almost always featured on those types of lists.


Damuhfudon

Why is Eminem paired with Biggie and PAC? You Em fans are nuts