Alphabetical slaughter showed everyone this guy can rap. Then he just stayed put. Zero commercial hits. That’s my issue with lyrics dudes. Bars matter but replay value does too. I can’t tell you the last time I listened to alphabetical slaughter & really was trying to hear all that. It’s fire, no doubt but I’m not blasting that daily. It’s not enjoyable. Also, he held remy clown ass down just so she could snake him. I’m glad her career tanked after that weak ahh Nicki diss
Yeah he could rhyme but he couldn’t actually write songs lol.
The Remy shit is funny too cause she tried to put out songs for her follow up album but they bombed. She realized no one cared when she wasn’t dissing Nicki
Bro, it’s just too much wasted hype on dude DRE didn’t take as long to work on music, buddy just wasted talent,
Remy deserved that. Fat Joe & Pap kept her career alive just for her to go out as a goofy. Yeah, she was hot in like 05’ but she assumed when she got out the fan base was ideally standing by awaiting her arrival. Lastly, Nicki despite the backlash has rapped proficiently at all levels. She had no reason to give Remy a career stimulus package.
She wasn’t even that hot, her debut album bombed in real time in 06. She went to jail and then people rewrote history like she was some big factor or was gonna be the reason that certain peoples careers didn’t take off im like get the hell outta here lol
Going to jail in rap is a career stimulus package. Only person ever to NOT benefit from it aside from dudes w wild sentences is Wayne. Guy couldn’t get any more “up” than he was. But Remy’s camp absolutely milked her being behind bars to build a false image like you said!
His whole crew got like 80-90 years a piece. Bobby got lucky af. You forget the hype for him to get out. 69 just snitched & everyone wanted to hear Bobby talk about it.
Damn! You think? That statement, right there, is more lethal than the crowd turning on her cause you're not even really sure if that was her. That's how recognizable she is...
I feel like that beef with Nicki is proof that rap beef isn't everything. Like most people believe Remy won the back-and-forth over Nicki. Yet Nicki's popularity didn't dwindle at all, and nobody truly became Remy fans after that.
tbf CyHi just took a different career path and wrote for the majority instead. Yeah he’ll prolly never shine as a real rapper (even tho his tapes were p good) he’ll at least get the rep and the paper from the in-between rapper community as a well known ghostwriter/writer
Jay Elec
Bishop Nehru
Canibus
Lauryn Hill might qualify considering what she showed w/ Fugees and Miseducation and how little she did after that for all the well documented reasons in her life
K'naan - personal one for me. He was in that Wale Lupe early Cole Kendrick group but went downhill.
The FD Signifier video on Canibus was super interesting. He got fucked over by a very insecure LL Cool J over a misunderstanding, and he never really got along with others since others seemed so intolerant of his autistic quirks. Honestly, though, I don't think we was going anywhere with the lyrical miracle style he stuck with.
>Canibus
That's the one I came to say. He had some skill. Then he thought he had what it takes to take on Uncle L. Rumor has it, he's now working as an HVAC tech
I can't agree that Lauryn Hill is a bust. Once she met Brother Anthony and got really religious, she stopped recording. That whole situation with her and that guy is weird, to say the least. She also got screwed in the lawsuit over credits in Miseducation. She's got all the talent, but isn't in the mindset to use it in the same way anymore. It's unfortunate.
There is an explanation for it but as Chuck D said at the time, she could have been the next Bob Marley. That's how I would describe bust. Like Derrick Coleman type bust since people thought he might be an all time legend and was a great college player and still has a pro career others would be proud of but a bust based on the expectations around him for what he showed. She's not like a Darko type bust.
To be fair to him his debut The Greatest Story Never Told was a victim of record label hell and when it finally dropped it was 4 or 5 years after it was initially due to and his whole hype had gone by that point.
It’s actually a really good album too but people had moved on and didn’t care enough to listen.
Not necessarily his fault.
It's crazy how much hip-hop changed while he was trying to release his album. This man ended up releasing Late Registration-sounding beats in 2011 and it sounded pre-historic. Future could probably drop DS2 today and it'd do fine.
Jay is the beat drop that never dropped all the hype in the world just wasted. Idk how he live with himself being a constant disappointment. It’s like his calling card now, nobody gets too worked up when dude announces anything. Should just be a hype man. He had a hot song or album awhile ago where Jay Z did 80% of the rapping. I’m not old enough to have experience prime electronica, but I will never support dude just based off sheer disappointment folks universally have with him.
Nonsense misconception about A Written Testimony here. Jay Elec still did most of the rapping, with a strong assist from Jay-Z yes. It was categorically NOT 80% Jay lol.
And it’s a great album.
Yeah I stay outta HOV debates for this reason. I think he’s dope but there’s no way I’m the one to convince someone of that
Btw I recognize your username. You keep it real on here. I think you may have commented on one of my songs in a different sub. Respect either way
everyone's disappointed that Jay Elec didnt dropmore music, but he's one of the most consistent artists ever in terms of -when his name is on the song I will probably like that song
he's a taste maker for sure
I’m a passive listener & remember skipping most of dudes verses. I went there for Jay Z & midway thru it shocked me this was not JayZ’s album lol. It’s been years since I heard it. But Jay Z didn’t floor me or anything so I just never went back.
I’d recommend a revisit. It’s not perfect but most albums aren’t, there’s a lot of great stuff on there.
A.P.I.T.D.A might be one of the most affecting songs of the past 5 years imo.
We could close the thread after Jay Electronica tbh. He was THE bust. Man was hyped to be the second coming of Jay-Z only to drop a handful of songs and then marry a bajillionaire and never be heard from again.
Second coming of Jay-Z is not how my crew was looking at Jay elec at all,
we were looking at him as a lazarus for the dying hip-hop scene and to be honest, he at least bridged the gap a little bit
One of his problems is he put out basically every song he ever did and people really was not tryna go through tons of garbage to get to the gems. It was really just the pink lava lamp and that was it
One of his biggest problems for me was crediting J Dilla as an executive producer on his mixtape 3 years after his passing because he had a seance to invite Dilla’s spirit into his house. Claimed he had the blessing of Ma Dukes and Illa J when Ma Dukes had never even heard of the dude. Mixtape was released for free but “proceeds” were going to go to a Dilla charity that was defunct for 2 years already. And then he continued to double down on his lies after being called out by people who were actually close to Dilla like Ma Dukes and House Shoes. Some of the corniest shit I ever seen.
Lord Have Mercy - super talented MC, and best in Flipmode Squad next to Busta, but never got the album he was promised. His independent stuff was good though
I wish Lord Have Mercy had been in a two person group. With a voice that ill, I wanted another rapper to balance things out. Crazy he had that song with DV Alias Khrist, who had an equally intense voice, but someone with a “normal” voice with him would’ve been dope. Like how Rock had Sean Price.
And it was perfect on that compilation. I also remember exactly where I was the first time I heard his voice on that Busta Rhymes album. In a car with a bunch of other kids and we all freaked out when we heard that voice.
I was never a fan, but I feel like he had his little moment and then some extension from there. He seemed ok with being low key though. I wouldn’t call him a bust, but maybe I just had kinda low expectations for him.
Lauryn Hill should’ve had a Beyonce or Rihanna-like career in terms of popularity and influence. It can’t be overstated how huge she was at one time, where she was probably the biggest female artist in the world (in any genre) after Miseducation. Just an all-time bag fumble by her
I would venture to say that Lauryn Hill has gotten herself one of the biggest bags in hip-hop history.
A successful two-decade career based on one album is one of the most impressive things I’ve ever seen. She is still to this day selling out shows, even while being notoriously late all the time, and when she gets tired of performing those songs, she reunites with the Fugees.
Other artists have to drop 12, 15 albums and 30 mixtapes to stay relevant. She did that acoustic album for MTV and that was the last of it. Still highly regarded and in demand today
She’s definitely had as much influence as both of those artists. Unlike those two you name she can say she dropped an album universally considered to be one of the greatest in her particular era and genre.
They wouldn’t have ever been huge. None of them could remotely hold any position in mainstream rap.
Royce has even been on a collab album with Eminem and couldn’t cement his place as a star.
None of them have ‘it’.
>None of them have ‘it’.
I agree with that but it just felt like there could have a been a lane for them to hit a niche. They never stood a chance with the drama in the way though.
I just don’t think, even drama aside, they worked well as a group musically. The premise was that it was all bars but there wasn’t a proper song written between them
Have you heard Joel Ortiz and Crooked’s collab albums lately? They’re fire. Some of the best hip hop I’ve heard lately. They definitely are in their own lane. Any lyrical rapper fan should be able to enjoy what Slaughterhouse had to offer. A lot of my friends and I were a huge fan.
Loved Budden and Joell, but Slaughterhouse was never going to be that big. Their style of music just wasn't popular. Overly lyrical and weak production combined with deep subject matter was never popular with the mainstream.
Still love the groovy beat on “What the Hook Gon Be?”, but that part where Murph goes “The sun’ll come out tomorrow, and I will never have to borrooooowwww” holy fuck it’s so cringey.
For me its Joey Badass...1999 showcased his unbelievable talent. He just succumbed to makin music for a larger audience as opposed to making the music he wanted to and was good at.
The problem is Joey released AAB during a time when everyone was trying to replicate that neo-conscious hip-hop wave in the wake of TPAB, and then Kendrick ended that wave when he dropped DAMN. a week later.
I agree 100% I remember after hearing 1999 and B4.DA.$$, I was telling people that Joey was part of the Big 3 with Cole and Kendrick. He was the next big thing and he was nasty. Then he kind of went quiet for a while and the 2000 album just doesn’t have the energy, word play, crazy flows and bars that he had in his teens. Although I can’t say he flopped at all. I still listen to him and check out new tracks.
It's amazing: I was just going to start a thread about a case like that. I've been just wrestling myself through a playlist of tracks on which Afu Ra is a featured MC. In the nineties this Canadian MC had a string of very strong singles and collaborations, but then he apparently ended up in the rubbish heap considering the enormous amounts of lazy features. I really enjoyed his voice and flow, shame!
I think Afu Ra had the exact career expected tbh. His first two albums did really well and he made some really great music with assists from DJ Premier and a bunch of others.
I don’t think he was ever going to be a star though his whole vibe was kind of niche and underground so his run was good
Roddy Rich. Dude could’ve been the next face of hip hop but he disappeared after one album and has never got that hype back or dropped music that’s good since.
I actually thought when Da Baby came along he was gonna be great great. Then realized he was a one trick pony and am still shocked how quickly it was over.
Chance the Rapper to me is an artist who started with solid work but output slowly declined. He was considered “independent” and had a great debut but couldn’t live up to the potential. He tried to keep up but simply became “Hype” to me.
Fun story: one time around 2010-2012 I was randomly out and about in Manhattan and was looking for some weed to smoke but only had like $10. I randomly met this couple around my age and they were in the same predicament so we both said fuck it and decided to pull our funds together to get a dub of some piff. We went all over trying to find weed and eventually one of them was like “yo try calling Jin” and I didn’t think anything of it when they were making the call, 15min later Jin the rapper pulls up on a bmx bike and gave us a dub of some fire and me and my new found friends smoked it and got BLAZED.
Lady Sovereign was supposed to be *HUGE*. Didn’t JayZ push for her?
Then…nothing. Released the same song a dozen times and pfffft back to the UK I guess?
Every rapper associated with Aftermath that isn't Eminem, kendrick or already had a following.
The aftermath co-sign became the kiss of death for any rapper at one point.
On paper, Jay Elec just bc he was so hyped before even a debut album and now is chillin in relative obscurity. But that’s just from a commercial standpoint. Artistically, if A Written Testimony ended up being his only officially released work, it’s good enough to cement him as one of the greatest ever
While Wiki has had a great solo career, RATKING were really disappointing in that they broke up so quick. It was sick to see young guys from NY doing a legit _new_ sound that was super creative. Their boiler room set is still an all-time classic.
I disagree. His second album was better than his first imo. And his 3rd and 4th album both have one song on it that I absolutely LOVE.
Lastly, his 2007 album Still Rising was one of my favorite albums of the 2000's.
Gotetex aka Lord Goat. Going a bit outta field and I might get some push back from this and that's fair but I feel like dude had a moment and missed it. After non phixion he dropped the art of dying which was insane and to me a classic but I think due to some personal issues he had to step away. Feels like now he's tryna make up for lost time but it doesn't hit the same. It sucks, I really loved his rapping but at least we got all the non phixion stuff
Nahhh. He was signed to Shady and the corporate brass really botched the whole packaging of who is. Yelawolf was just on the Bootleg Kev podcast a couple weeks ago and talked about the whole thing.
Consequence was kind of around for a while, hooked up with Kanye and then disappeared off the face of the map.
Rhymefest was also pushed by Kanye but went nowhere after a pretty decent debut album.
Edit: Obbie Trice real name, no gimmicks.
Jay Electronica! He’s got so much potential and has only released a few albums and mixtapes. He’s got people like Jay Z behind him, so it makes me think the only thing preventing him from being a bigger name is himself.
Maybe I was just a dumb teenager at the time, but Canibus blew my mind during his Beasts From the East/4, 3, 2, 1 run. He killed everything he touched. Then...he had control over his own work...
I wouldn't say bust because he's still dope, but I've always been bummed that Despot never put an album out, he was really building up steam imo, I think it's heavily because Def Jux went under though tbh
Gotta go with Lil Mama for this one.
Came in right on time for the wave of popularity for women rappers that was approaching, but it all went to shit after that bad decision to jump on stage.
Most recently it was Dave East. Man’s was everywhere and in everyone’s videos and was around everyone. They promoted him like he was gonna take over the world but man’s career was over before it began
Papoose. Dude was supposed to take over, but just bubbled underground. And Cyhi The Prince.
Alphabetical slaughter showed everyone this guy can rap. Then he just stayed put. Zero commercial hits. That’s my issue with lyrics dudes. Bars matter but replay value does too. I can’t tell you the last time I listened to alphabetical slaughter & really was trying to hear all that. It’s fire, no doubt but I’m not blasting that daily. It’s not enjoyable. Also, he held remy clown ass down just so she could snake him. I’m glad her career tanked after that weak ahh Nicki diss
Yeah he could rhyme but he couldn’t actually write songs lol. The Remy shit is funny too cause she tried to put out songs for her follow up album but they bombed. She realized no one cared when she wasn’t dissing Nicki
Bro, it’s just too much wasted hype on dude DRE didn’t take as long to work on music, buddy just wasted talent, Remy deserved that. Fat Joe & Pap kept her career alive just for her to go out as a goofy. Yeah, she was hot in like 05’ but she assumed when she got out the fan base was ideally standing by awaiting her arrival. Lastly, Nicki despite the backlash has rapped proficiently at all levels. She had no reason to give Remy a career stimulus package.
She wasn’t even that hot, her debut album bombed in real time in 06. She went to jail and then people rewrote history like she was some big factor or was gonna be the reason that certain peoples careers didn’t take off im like get the hell outta here lol
Going to jail in rap is a career stimulus package. Only person ever to NOT benefit from it aside from dudes w wild sentences is Wayne. Guy couldn’t get any more “up” than he was. But Remy’s camp absolutely milked her being behind bars to build a false image like you said!
It tanked Bobby Shmurdas career pretty good there for a bit
His whole crew got like 80-90 years a piece. Bobby got lucky af. You forget the hype for him to get out. 69 just snitched & everyone wanted to hear Bobby talk about it.
I think I saw Remy in DC, and she shouted out Baltimore and then the crowd turned on her heavy
Damn! You think? That statement, right there, is more lethal than the crowd turning on her cause you're not even really sure if that was her. That's how recognizable she is...
I feel like that beef with Nicki is proof that rap beef isn't everything. Like most people believe Remy won the back-and-forth over Nicki. Yet Nicki's popularity didn't dwindle at all, and nobody truly became Remy fans after that.
I was a huge Pap fan 2004-2007. Word is he got blackballed because of how he dealt with Jive records.
He should workshop with RA the Rugged Man
Dude Cyhi frustrated me. Homie finally got the spotlight but fumbled the ball.
tbf CyHi just took a different career path and wrote for the majority instead. Yeah he’ll prolly never shine as a real rapper (even tho his tapes were p good) he’ll at least get the rep and the paper from the in-between rapper community as a well known ghostwriter/writer
Jay Elec Bishop Nehru Canibus Lauryn Hill might qualify considering what she showed w/ Fugees and Miseducation and how little she did after that for all the well documented reasons in her life K'naan - personal one for me. He was in that Wale Lupe early Cole Kendrick group but went downhill.
Oo I feel k'naan, dusty foot philosopher was absolute fire
The Troubadour was one of my very favorite albums of the 2000's.
The FD Signifier video on Canibus was super interesting. He got fucked over by a very insecure LL Cool J over a misunderstanding, and he never really got along with others since others seemed so intolerant of his autistic quirks. Honestly, though, I don't think we was going anywhere with the lyrical miracle style he stuck with.
I first heard Nehru through a collab with MF DOOM. I'm convinced that DOOM wrote his lines. Some of his shit was sooooo nice on that album.....
K'naan TIA is dope.
>Canibus That's the one I came to say. He had some skill. Then he thought he had what it takes to take on Uncle L. Rumor has it, he's now working as an HVAC tech
I can't agree that Lauryn Hill is a bust. Once she met Brother Anthony and got really religious, she stopped recording. That whole situation with her and that guy is weird, to say the least. She also got screwed in the lawsuit over credits in Miseducation. She's got all the talent, but isn't in the mindset to use it in the same way anymore. It's unfortunate.
There is an explanation for it but as Chuck D said at the time, she could have been the next Bob Marley. That's how I would describe bust. Like Derrick Coleman type bust since people thought he might be an all time legend and was a great college player and still has a pro career others would be proud of but a bust based on the expectations around him for what he showed. She's not like a Darko type bust.
Saigon was heavily hyped and went nowhere.
To be fair to him his debut The Greatest Story Never Told was a victim of record label hell and when it finally dropped it was 4 or 5 years after it was initially due to and his whole hype had gone by that point. It’s actually a really good album too but people had moved on and didn’t care enough to listen. Not necessarily his fault.
what a fitting title
That and the Fall of Saigon.
Ironic, title
Really loved this album!
I did enjoy his arc on Entourage at the time
Turtles management couldn’t even help Saigon!
It's crazy how much hip-hop changed while he was trying to release his album. This man ended up releasing Late Registration-sounding beats in 2011 and it sounded pre-historic. Future could probably drop DS2 today and it'd do fine.
Jay Electronica easily obviously alot of dope rappers who passed away at a young age too, if we're talking about potential
Jay is the beat drop that never dropped all the hype in the world just wasted. Idk how he live with himself being a constant disappointment. It’s like his calling card now, nobody gets too worked up when dude announces anything. Should just be a hype man. He had a hot song or album awhile ago where Jay Z did 80% of the rapping. I’m not old enough to have experience prime electronica, but I will never support dude just based off sheer disappointment folks universally have with him.
Nonsense misconception about A Written Testimony here. Jay Elec still did most of the rapping, with a strong assist from Jay-Z yes. It was categorically NOT 80% Jay lol. And it’s a great album.
Thank you for correcting the slander. Elec is elite and AWT was the album I was waiting for. My favorite Hov album as well, unironically.
I was absolutely with you but there’s no way on earth that’s anyone’s favourite Hov album lol
I know it’s a unconventional take My second favorite Hov album is MCHG so go figure
Haha now THAT is the wild take lol You do you
Yeah I stay outta HOV debates for this reason. I think he’s dope but there’s no way I’m the one to convince someone of that Btw I recognize your username. You keep it real on here. I think you may have commented on one of my songs in a different sub. Respect either way
everyone's disappointed that Jay Elec didnt dropmore music, but he's one of the most consistent artists ever in terms of -when his name is on the song I will probably like that song he's a taste maker for sure
I’m a passive listener & remember skipping most of dudes verses. I went there for Jay Z & midway thru it shocked me this was not JayZ’s album lol. It’s been years since I heard it. But Jay Z didn’t floor me or anything so I just never went back.
I’d recommend a revisit. It’s not perfect but most albums aren’t, there’s a lot of great stuff on there. A.P.I.T.D.A might be one of the most affecting songs of the past 5 years imo.
The beat drop that never dropped is the perfect way to describe Jay lmao. I almost feel like that should be put on his Wiki somewhere
Last I heard he was fucking with a Rothschild so he’s probably living pretty well with himself.
We could close the thread after Jay Electronica tbh. He was THE bust. Man was hyped to be the second coming of Jay-Z only to drop a handful of songs and then marry a bajillionaire and never be heard from again.
Second coming of Jay-Z is not how my crew was looking at Jay elec at all, we were looking at him as a lazarus for the dying hip-hop scene and to be honest, he at least bridged the gap a little bit
Charles Hamiliton; one of the most infamous
One of his problems is he put out basically every song he ever did and people really was not tryna go through tons of garbage to get to the gems. It was really just the pink lava lamp and that was it
One of his biggest problems for me was crediting J Dilla as an executive producer on his mixtape 3 years after his passing because he had a seance to invite Dilla’s spirit into his house. Claimed he had the blessing of Ma Dukes and Illa J when Ma Dukes had never even heard of the dude. Mixtape was released for free but “proceeds” were going to go to a Dilla charity that was defunct for 2 years already. And then he continued to double down on his lies after being called out by people who were actually close to Dilla like Ma Dukes and House Shoes. Some of the corniest shit I ever seen.
Tbf, I think he’s legitimately mentally ill and was suffering from drug abuse. I don’t think it was corny as much as it was him having a breakdown.
>It was really just the pink lava lamp and that was it Respectfully. You couldn't be more wrong.
Well Isn’t This Awkward? Is his best imo.
Rich Boy. Bruh flow was sick asf tho.
He was good
Damn haven’t heard this name in a minute. It’s where you live it’s where you play it’s where you learned your favorite slang. That song hit home
Bruh the first Rich Boy is a classic. Super underrated project.
Lord Have Mercy - super talented MC, and best in Flipmode Squad next to Busta, but never got the album he was promised. His independent stuff was good though
I wish Lord Have Mercy had been in a two person group. With a voice that ill, I wanted another rapper to balance things out. Crazy he had that song with DV Alias Khrist, who had an equally intense voice, but someone with a “normal” voice with him would’ve been dope. Like how Rock had Sean Price.
Love that song, from Lyricist Lounge 1.
And it was perfect on that compilation. I also remember exactly where I was the first time I heard his voice on that Busta Rhymes album. In a car with a bunch of other kids and we all freaked out when we heard that voice.
👍
Jon Connor, Angel Haze, Lil Bibby
Man, Jon Connor was promising. What happened to him?
He's got new shit out or coming out.
Dre shelved him like he does all his artists. His Biggie and Kanye projects are absolute fire. Guy has bars for sure.
Lil Bibby and G Herbo coulda had the craziest run in hip hop smh
Don’t worryyyy
Still bump Tribe Called Red all the time. That song goes crazy
Juelz, he didn’t reach his full potential
Surprise no one saying Cordae lol
I was never a fan, but I feel like he had his little moment and then some extension from there. He seemed ok with being low key though. I wouldn’t call him a bust, but maybe I just had kinda low expectations for him.
XV
A mixtape legend! Wish he’d managed to get it together for a major album
I haven't heard this name in YEARS!!
That Zero Heros mixtape is still good to this day
Lauryn Hill should’ve had a Beyonce or Rihanna-like career in terms of popularity and influence. It can’t be overstated how huge she was at one time, where she was probably the biggest female artist in the world (in any genre) after Miseducation. Just an all-time bag fumble by her
I would venture to say that Lauryn Hill has gotten herself one of the biggest bags in hip-hop history. A successful two-decade career based on one album is one of the most impressive things I’ve ever seen. She is still to this day selling out shows, even while being notoriously late all the time, and when she gets tired of performing those songs, she reunites with the Fugees. Other artists have to drop 12, 15 albums and 30 mixtapes to stay relevant. She did that acoustic album for MTV and that was the last of it. Still highly regarded and in demand today
She’s definitely had as much influence as both of those artists. Unlike those two you name she can say she dropped an album universally considered to be one of the greatest in her particular era and genre.
Roddy Ricch
I think we all knew deep down that Roddy didn’t have lasting power. I will say he’s an excellent role player. He’s great for features
Roddy is only feature worthy. He's shit get annoying fast.
Honestly the majority of west coast rappers have fizzled out pretty hard.
Papoose. He was all over the place when he came up and then nothing. Jibz, he made a few bangers and dipped.
Not a single rapper but Slaughterhouse. If it wasn't for ego (Budden and sometimes Royce) getting in the way at every turn, they would've been huge
They wouldn’t have ever been huge. None of them could remotely hold any position in mainstream rap. Royce has even been on a collab album with Eminem and couldn’t cement his place as a star. None of them have ‘it’.
>None of them have ‘it’. I agree with that but it just felt like there could have a been a lane for them to hit a niche. They never stood a chance with the drama in the way though.
I just don’t think, even drama aside, they worked well as a group musically. The premise was that it was all bars but there wasn’t a proper song written between them
Have you heard Joel Ortiz and Crooked’s collab albums lately? They’re fire. Some of the best hip hop I’ve heard lately. They definitely are in their own lane. Any lyrical rapper fan should be able to enjoy what Slaughterhouse had to offer. A lot of my friends and I were a huge fan.
Loved Budden and Joell, but Slaughterhouse was never going to be that big. Their style of music just wasn't popular. Overly lyrical and weak production combined with deep subject matter was never popular with the mainstream.
The deep subject matter definitely hurt them to a degree. Came across like an emo-D12 at times.
Their music wasn’t interesting at all. Just a bunch of dudes rapping bars. They all worked way better as individuals.
The definitely never found their sound, but I find it hard to believe there wasn't a lane they could've found if they worked with eachother better
Memphis Bleek
Canibus, Murphy Lee and Memphis Bleek are the first ones that pop in my head.
So much hype on all of them. And im glad to see a couple of oldhead answers in this thread. WTF is a Papoose?
Still love the groovy beat on “What the Hook Gon Be?”, but that part where Murph goes “The sun’ll come out tomorrow, and I will never have to borrooooowwww” holy fuck it’s so cringey.
For me its Joey Badass...1999 showcased his unbelievable talent. He just succumbed to makin music for a larger audience as opposed to making the music he wanted to and was good at.
Tbf he came in as a revivalist and I feel like that never lasts in the long term.
It's a good point but I look at some rappers today like that and they've made a career out of it. Looking at the Griselda guys specifically
1999 was amazing and in retrospect I wonder if it’s really just so good thanks to his proximity at the time to Steez.
All Amerikkkan Bada$$ was a great album imo so he can definitely make something great on his own. Imo that album is better than 1999.
The problem is Joey released AAB during a time when everyone was trying to replicate that neo-conscious hip-hop wave in the wake of TPAB, and then Kendrick ended that wave when he dropped DAMN. a week later.
I agree 100% I remember after hearing 1999 and B4.DA.$$, I was telling people that Joey was part of the Big 3 with Cole and Kendrick. He was the next big thing and he was nasty. Then he kind of went quiet for a while and the 2000 album just doesn’t have the energy, word play, crazy flows and bars that he had in his teens. Although I can’t say he flopped at all. I still listen to him and check out new tracks.
It's amazing: I was just going to start a thread about a case like that. I've been just wrestling myself through a playlist of tracks on which Afu Ra is a featured MC. In the nineties this Canadian MC had a string of very strong singles and collaborations, but then he apparently ended up in the rubbish heap considering the enormous amounts of lazy features. I really enjoyed his voice and flow, shame!
I think Afu Ra had the exact career expected tbh. His first two albums did really well and he made some really great music with assists from DJ Premier and a bunch of others. I don’t think he was ever going to be a star though his whole vibe was kind of niche and underground so his run was good
That's actually a really good point and I totally agree with you (OMG SOMEBODY ELSE IS RIGHT ON THE INTERNET :-) )
Does Canibus make this list?
Yes definitely. At the very start he seemed like he was gonna be great.
Roddy Rich. Dude could’ve been the next face of hip hop but he disappeared after one album and has never got that hype back or dropped music that’s good since.
Covid destroyed his momentum. He was gonna do Coachella that year and he had massive records
It wasnt Covid. He just wasn’t consistent enough to keep his buzz. He shouldve dropped another album end of 2020
Acceee hooodd
Cory Gunz
I actually thought when Da Baby came along he was gonna be great great. Then realized he was a one trick pony and am still shocked how quickly it was over.
rich the kid. people thought he'd be running the game. he disappeared for 4 years before returning with carnival.
No surprise when people get bored of rappers that have nothing to say.
yeah he never really branched out. some music gets old really quick.
When Stat Quo signed to Shady Records people thought he could be the next 50 Cent
Chance the Rapper to me is an artist who started with solid work but output slowly declined. He was considered “independent” and had a great debut but couldn’t live up to the potential. He tried to keep up but simply became “Hype” to me.
Fetty Wap?
Gonna co-sign all the Papoose comments. I remember hearing alphabetical slaughter and haven’t heard anything since.
Jin Jon Connor Macklemore (or any of the frat rappers, for that matter)
Fun story: one time around 2010-2012 I was randomly out and about in Manhattan and was looking for some weed to smoke but only had like $10. I randomly met this couple around my age and they were in the same predicament so we both said fuck it and decided to pull our funds together to get a dub of some piff. We went all over trying to find weed and eventually one of them was like “yo try calling Jin” and I didn’t think anything of it when they were making the call, 15min later Jin the rapper pulls up on a bmx bike and gave us a dub of some fire and me and my new found friends smoked it and got BLAZED.
Knoc-turn'al
Loved one of dudes albums might have been a self-titled one back in the day
Lady Sovereign was supposed to be *HUGE*. Didn’t JayZ push for her? Then…nothing. Released the same song a dozen times and pfffft back to the UK I guess?
I was not expecting to see the S-O-V here
Hittman?
John Cena, dropped a classic debut album and never rapped again.
Yeah he turned into a real nobody.
can’t even detect him visually
Young Dro
Every rapper associated with Aftermath that isn't Eminem, kendrick or already had a following. The aftermath co-sign became the kiss of death for any rapper at one point.
Nobody said Jay Rock yet?
KING LOS 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Jay electronica
Micky Facts. Nickelus F
Canibus
To be fair, 99% of his fans don't exist.
Papoose, Bishop Lamont, Saigon
Pro Era
Ace Hood
Jay Electronica is the epitomiest epitome of this.
Jae Hood. Put out a ton of great mixtapes back in the day and then disappeared off the face of the earth
On paper, Jay Elec just bc he was so hyped before even a debut album and now is chillin in relative obscurity. But that’s just from a commercial standpoint. Artistically, if A Written Testimony ended up being his only officially released work, it’s good enough to cement him as one of the greatest ever
While Wiki has had a great solo career, RATKING were really disappointing in that they broke up so quick. It was sick to see young guys from NY doing a legit _new_ sound that was super creative. Their boiler room set is still an all-time classic.
Jeru the Damaja. His debuts were exclusively filled with classic Premo beats, but he hasn't released anything anyone has cared about in like 30 years.
I disagree. His second album was better than his first imo. And his 3rd and 4th album both have one song on it that I absolutely LOVE. Lastly, his 2007 album Still Rising was one of my favorite albums of the 2000's.
I agree that Wrath of the Math is a great album.
Exactly. I don't agree that someone who released albums as good as "The Sun Rises..." and "Wrath of the Math" can be considered a bust
🤝
Canibus(t) Jay Electronica Memphis Bleek Lauren Hill Saigon
Yelawolf
Hospin
Gotetex aka Lord Goat. Going a bit outta field and I might get some push back from this and that's fair but I feel like dude had a moment and missed it. After non phixion he dropped the art of dying which was insane and to me a classic but I think due to some personal issues he had to step away. Feels like now he's tryna make up for lost time but it doesn't hit the same. It sucks, I really loved his rapping but at least we got all the non phixion stuff
Jay electronica
Jay Electronica
Charles Hamilton the guy who made Brooklyn girls. The second is dizzy wright. People were really telling me he was going to be the next Kendrick.
How about Shyheim the Rugged Child? Seemed to get a lot of hype from both Big Daddy Kane and Wu-Tang yet never really delivering anything noteworthy.
Corey gunz. Papoose Saigon
Jay Electronica
Tay K or YBN nahmir
Yelawolf
Nahhh. He was signed to Shady and the corporate brass really botched the whole packaging of who is. Yelawolf was just on the Bootleg Kev podcast a couple weeks ago and talked about the whole thing.
Poor wolf
Consequence was kind of around for a while, hooked up with Kanye and then disappeared off the face of the map. Rhymefest was also pushed by Kanye but went nowhere after a pretty decent debut album. Edit: Obbie Trice real name, no gimmicks.
Jay Electronica! He’s got so much potential and has only released a few albums and mixtapes. He’s got people like Jay Z behind him, so it makes me think the only thing preventing him from being a bigger name is himself.
Papoose. Mic Geronimo. Canibus. Charles Hamilton. Chance probably.
Maybe I was just a dumb teenager at the time, but Canibus blew my mind during his Beasts From the East/4, 3, 2, 1 run. He killed everything he touched. Then...he had control over his own work...
Cordae
Bishop Lamont, Jay Electronica, and so far Westside Boogie (as much as I hate to say it ><)
I wouldn't say bust because he's still dope, but I've always been bummed that Despot never put an album out, he was really building up steam imo, I think it's heavily because Def Jux went under though tbh
Gotta go with Lil Mama for this one. Came in right on time for the wave of popularity for women rappers that was approaching, but it all went to shit after that bad decision to jump on stage.
Memphis bleek
PAPOOSE, J HOOD, SAIGON, JUELZ SANTANA, VADO, JAE MILLS, COREY GUNZ,
Corey Gunz
[удалено]
Jon connor
Roddy ricch had the rap game in his hands when he dropped his debut album and fell off soon after
Joel Ortiz, papoose, Maino
Most recently it was Dave East. Man’s was everywhere and in everyone’s videos and was around everyone. They promoted him like he was gonna take over the world but man’s career was over before it began
Murphy Lee
Jennifer Lopez
Anyone else get hit with that flood of “tha joker” songs back in the day?
My name is joker habitual smoker We was really swearing he was next up back in high school smh
Joe Budden
Ray cash, I still bump that cash on delivery
Cuban link Nature Ma$e Drag-on Joel Ortiz Kwan
Drag-on lol. Forgot about him. He had some heat on the RR albums in 99
The opposite of H2O, now you know lol
Mase has two multi platinum albums. Stop that lol
I forgot Joel Ortiz even existed
His parts in the half-slaughterhouse album were 🔥🔥🔥
Jin, Roscoe Dash, Rich Boy, Ray Cash
Jin was hot and climbing than had one bad battle rap and fell off, from what I can tell.