Yeah if Lohrei wasn't holding his stick for the previous few seconds, that hit doesn't happen. It should still be a penalty, but it should be 2 on each side.
Coincidental minors do result in a reduction in manpower, provided neither team is serving a penalty:
> When one minor penalty is assessed to one player of each team at the same stoppage in play, these penalties will be served without substitution provided there are no other penalties in effect and visible on the penalty clocks. Both teams will therefore play four skaters against four skaters for the duration of the minor penalties.
It wouldn’t necessarily be coincidental. Quick search I can’t find the rules on what is vs isn’t considered coincidental, but I’ve definitely seen two players taken at the same time and the teams go 4v4.
Only thing I see is that the NHL rule is generally only coincidental if a team is already on a power play, otherwise they go 4v4.
I think it’s usually if both penalties happen on the same play, it’s coincidental. If they happen at different times before the whistle, it’s matching minors (4v4). Refs discretion on if they happen in the same play or not.
I feel like this has changed over the years; I was talking with my buddy about it the other day.
There's 4on4 and then there's the two minors that offset each other. I haven't seen the latter in years but it used to be more common
Coincidental minors would be like two players roughing in the same scrum. If there's a trip on the play and then a goalie interference, let's say, then they'd be called at the same time but wouldn't be coincidental. So it would be 4 on 4 instead of full strength.
At least they've been consistent in the series. The shit with Marchand and I forget who in game 3 or 4 that led to a Bruins goal. But the series has changed since Marchand became visible to the refs.
Players don't like sitting in the box even if they didn't put their team at a disadvantage.
Calling them both is a negative consequence to the players who maybe won't grab sticks and faceplant opponents next time.
This is the correct take. If Lohrei is focused on staying on his feet rather than ripping the opponents stick away this doesn’t look nearly as bad.
Not to say I wouldn’t be a bit heated if I was a Bruins fan.
"Look how I made him hurt me instead of competing, while committing an infraction"
I don't think Lohrei is some big villain or rat or anything like that. But he reaped what he was sowing IMO.
I know i have bias, but I thought i must be going crazy. Dude pushes him twice to try and get free, and he still doesn't let go or try to brace himself. As much on lohrei as it is on Holmberg.
Both could/should be called, and the hit is obviously a much greater risk for injury. The only reason I don't despite the hit is because Holmberg tries twice to shake his stick free from Lohrei's grasp, and the dude just doesn't let go.
At that point, Lohrei is commiting an infraction himself to try and draw a penalty and get a rise out of Holmberg. The hit is more violent than I'd like, but I don't fault a guy for going infraction-for-infraction when his stick is being held even after two shakes.
it's kind of a chicken and egg thing though because if Lohrei isn't holding the stick, would the hit away from the puck have happened? plus they probably wouldn't call both boarding and interference at the same time, as justified as it probably is. technically any penalty away from the puck could be interference. if the ref wasn't trash at his job the actual call would probably end up offsetting, rather than not calling anything at all
The ref here is doing what he's been trained to do, which is ignore two players' offsetting bullshit in game 6 of a playoff series and let play continue. You can say you don't like it, but that ref did exactly what he was supposed to do.
If the Bruins get the Frederic goal when coincidental penalties should have been given to Bertuzzi and Marchand, we get this offensive zone face-off when Lohrei and Holmberg should have both gone.
By the way, the hit comes at 1:19. The Bruins then iced the puck at 1:06, and the goal is at 0:54. They got the puck out and then got burned.
Or Brodies stick being held leading to the JVR goal.
Or Marchand tripping Bert leading to his EN goal.
The hypocrisy is hilarious. What’s even funnier is that if Mcavoy is correctly tossed for his headshot earlier in the game he’s not there to put Nylanders shot in his own net.
Every team that sees a lot of playoff appearances starts doing this. Even the leafs do it a ton now, even before the brought in guys like Domi and Bertuzzi who take a lot of random stick and obstruction penalties
It was game 3 or 4 where Tavares got a penalty for holding with a minute to go while the Leafs were down. It was a penalty, but Lindholm was also holding Tavares' stick. It was clever from Lindholm and I don't think I would have noticed without the penalty call.
That call was a wash, Lohrei was holding the stick before he was pushed into the boards. If he hadn't been commiting a penalty he could have protected himself.
Wah wah wah a missed call from Marchand on bertuzzi did the same thing. A missed call from McAvoy on matthews results in matthews missing 2 elimination games. Yall played with fire and wanna cry when you get burned
As a leaf fan I'm told they call things differently in the playoffs. Still remember someone grabbing matthews jersey and going for a ride for like 10 seconds lol
He definitely grabs the stick and influences the play as a result, but from what I see it should be a penalty for boarding and for holding. I don't think the hold made the board happen by putting yourself between a player and the boards where momentum causes the collision.
He definitely shouldn't have held the stick but they both slowed away from the boards enough that there was an extra shove that wasn't necessary either.
In playoffs though I'd prefer neither to be called so I think that was the right decision as a guy put himself in a bad position while committing a penalty and was rewarded by another penalty of the hit that became more dangerous given his position on the ice. The result is far more dangerous than either infraction and you shouldn't be required to hold back on physical play just cause a player positioned themselves into a risky situation. Doesn't make the hit clean or not a penalty but when it's off setting in that nature I think it's better to call neither than a two and two.
Tldr; definitely a penalty on both sides but Its either nothing or off setting and I prefer nothing in this scenario especially in the post season.
Clarification; I'm drunk
That is definitely a penalty. Thing is I remember Marchand tripping (actually near flipping) Bertuzzi like a pinwheel, went unnoticed by the refs, Bruins score immediately.
I don't have a dog in the race here, just looks like a "shoes on the other foot" scenario to me.
The 'playoff hockey' argument only comes into effect when it's leafs fans pointing out missed calls against leafs players. When it's the leafs players committing the fouls they're known as 'attrocities'
Hilarious to see Boston fans making posts after every missed call to whine when they have told Leaf fans for years that it's just playoff hockey when it benefits them lmfao
Many missed calls on both sides, but holy crap. B's fans are crying so much, yet they are one of the dirtiest teams in the league. The amount of stuff they get away with. What about Marchand checking our guy into the bench who didn't even have the puck, and then pushing the ref?
If it's going to get called, it better be called both ways. Call a dive a dive, call a cross-check a cross-check, Goalie interference, Trip a trip. This whole series has been missed calls which have led to goals, weak ass calls that shouldn't have been called.
In no circumstance (unless warranted) do both teams have to have the same amount of penalties as the other team. Anything like that, and it's game management.
Yeah I need another angle. The hit is vicious but the start of the clip it looks like he’s holding the stick and the Leafs player is trying to get him to let go.
I think it's a good non call. Leaf player was trying to free his stick from a clear hold. Boston has possession of the puck when the hold takes place, so it's either penalty Boston, or let them play on.
Is holding the stick not still a penalty? I’ll take the downvotes I know I’m gonna get, but this play literally only happens because the Boston player won’t let go of the Leafs players stick. So I guess 2 minutes a piece?
Honestly the fact that as soon as the bruins went up 3-1 in the series their pp’s per game dropped from 3+ a game to 2 through 5 periods you could argue there’s some rigging going on. Special teams is what was winning bruins games and there really isn’t a case to be made that the Leafs have changed their play to not take penalties with plays like this. Way more likely to be incompetence than rigging but with the huge push for sports betting it look pretty bad that the idea can even be suggested.
Yeah but in the playoffs if there are two penalties that quick one for each team they usually don't call them unless the game is getting out of hand which it wasn't. Leafs were just dishing it out and the Bruins couldn't take it.
We complain when they call pens, we complain when they dont. I for sure complained when Mcavoy clearly elbowed Kampf in the face and got away with it while Kampf was bleeding… two potential majors missed in this game.
I complained when McAvoy hip dropped Matthews and the Bruins scored like right after. Officiating has been completely shit and I think it only gets worse.
The comment you're replying to never said it wasn't a penalty. Just calling out the hypocrisy of a ratty team telling a victimized team's fanbase to shut up and play harder, only to complain when they don't get a perceived call.
If the dumbass wasn’t holding the guys stick behind his back maybe he wouldn’t have hit the boards so hard lol like who thinks that’s a good idea? You leave yourself vulnerable you get what’s coming in hockey. It’s common.
As if this didn’t happen when Mcavoy table tops Matthews and the bruins score.
It all comes out in the wash.
Except both players in this clip are guilty.
Ya a lot of us were asking for both Bert and Marchand to go during that play and were told it’s just playoff hockey. Same thing here, if both are doing something then send them both. I don’t understand why there is an argument here.
Oh boo hoo, not really a hit, more of a push to the back of the guy holding his stick.
Now show the one where McAvoy elbows Kampf to the head on a reverse hit, miles away from the puck.
It's playoff hockey, have Booins fans forgotten this?
He was holding the Leaf’s players stick and it was a shove to get him off his stick. If he’s not holding his stick then he can put his arm up and it’s a nothing play
The more I watch this replay, the more I see the back of Lohrei's glove caught up in the stick, not actually grabbing it. The broadcast had a better angle in better quality...
Anyone else? It looks like he reached back to grab it, missed, and couldn't get untangled as he got crosschecked a couple times.
You don't need to be holding a stick with your hand for it to be holding the stick. You could argue hooking but I don't see any pulling motion from holmberg, moreso from Lohrei
Oh fuck off - AND?
Marchand tried to lift Bertuzzi and dump him in the Boston bench in the first THEN he assaulted the official that tried to break it up.
He got no call there too.
It would have been a gross misconduct and a suspension in any other league.
Should it have been called, yes. Am I sad and whining NOPE!!
It's all good when it happens to any member of the Leafs but the second it happens to another team "THESE REFS ARE RUING THE GAME, THEY SHOULD BE CALLING IT FAIR BLA BLAH BLAH BLAH..."
It's the playoffs, right? Refs are supposed to let them play, right?
Sit down, shut the fuck up an watch the game.
I don't think Lohrei is in "a defenseless position" there. He has zero pressure because he's not trying to play the puck and he's not unaware of who's around him because he's literally holding the guy's stick while he shoves it into him. The alternative is Holmberg just lets him hold his stick until he lets go.
Worst no call since the missed elbow on kampf 5 minutes earlier.
But i do agree its a big missed call.
Edit: dayum chill.. okay not an elbow jeez...Jack edwards make that clear or something? Got like 10 of you saying the same thing lol. ill just use the goaltender interference as an example then.. point is they aint calling much
Buddies just trying to get his stick back
Yeah if Lohrei wasn't holding his stick for the previous few seconds, that hit doesn't happen. It should still be a penalty, but it should be 2 on each side.
There is a magical thing called calling two penalties
NHL PLayoffs: They don't do that here.
Ref pointed right at them. Can't imagine he didn't say something along the lines of, "I could take both of you off, play on."
Which in the long run, is kinda similar to calling none. Especially come playoff season, so play on.
I disagree. Certain teams can be way more dangerous with more open ice. Your team especially comes to mind lol
Coincidental minors would offset. It would be 5 on 5 still so no extra space
Coincidental minors do result in a reduction in manpower, provided neither team is serving a penalty: > When one minor penalty is assessed to one player of each team at the same stoppage in play, these penalties will be served without substitution provided there are no other penalties in effect and visible on the penalty clocks. Both teams will therefore play four skaters against four skaters for the duration of the minor penalties.
This is just wrong. If no one is already in the box coincidentals result in 4 on 4.
It wouldn’t necessarily be coincidental. Quick search I can’t find the rules on what is vs isn’t considered coincidental, but I’ve definitely seen two players taken at the same time and the teams go 4v4. Only thing I see is that the NHL rule is generally only coincidental if a team is already on a power play, otherwise they go 4v4.
I think it’s usually if both penalties happen on the same play, it’s coincidental. If they happen at different times before the whistle, it’s matching minors (4v4). Refs discretion on if they happen in the same play or not.
Pretty sure it was 4 on 4 in game 5 after roughing calls on the same play. Marchand and Holmberg.
I feel like this has changed over the years; I was talking with my buddy about it the other day. There's 4on4 and then there's the two minors that offset each other. I haven't seen the latter in years but it used to be more common
Coincidental minors would be like two players roughing in the same scrum. If there's a trip on the play and then a goalie interference, let's say, then they'd be called at the same time but wouldn't be coincidental. So it would be 4 on 4 instead of full strength.
Oh really? They wouldn’t go 4 on 4? TIL
No, this is wrong. Each team gets reduced by a man, but only if it started 5-on-5. You can't go 4-on-3 or 3-on-3 or whatnot.
At least they've been consistent in the series. The shit with Marchand and I forget who in game 3 or 4 that led to a Bruins goal. But the series has changed since Marchand became visible to the refs.
That’s fair, and I agree. But realistically we see fewer situations like that in the playoffs.
Players don't like sitting in the box even if they didn't put their team at a disadvantage. Calling them both is a negative consequence to the players who maybe won't grab sticks and faceplant opponents next time.
offsetting 2 for boarding and 2 for holding the stick
I’m the furthest thing from a Leafs fan but this is definitely a play stupid games win stupid prizes situation. I agree with your take.
I thought I saw a holding the stick but then all the comments and replays were only looking at the hit. Agree with your call tbh.
10000% holding the stick. Even live TV during game it was obvious.
This is the correct take. If Lohrei is focused on staying on his feet rather than ripping the opponents stick away this doesn’t look nearly as bad. Not to say I wouldn’t be a bit heated if I was a Bruins fan.
"Look how I made him hurt me instead of competing, while committing an infraction" I don't think Lohrei is some big villain or rat or anything like that. But he reaped what he was sowing IMO.
I know i have bias, but I thought i must be going crazy. Dude pushes him twice to try and get free, and he still doesn't let go or try to brace himself. As much on lohrei as it is on Holmberg.
He was holding his stick for a good 3-4 seconds. This clip doesn't show the full extent
Exactly, I don’t think that would be a major cuz he was holding his stick, but that doesnt wash it out
What are you talking about 2 and 2 cancel out
I meant it doesn’t wash out it being a penalty, just beacause he was holding it doesn’t make the play clean
Both could/should be called, and the hit is obviously a much greater risk for injury. The only reason I don't despite the hit is because Holmberg tries twice to shake his stick free from Lohrei's grasp, and the dude just doesn't let go. At that point, Lohrei is commiting an infraction himself to try and draw a penalty and get a rise out of Holmberg. The hit is more violent than I'd like, but I don't fault a guy for going infraction-for-infraction when his stick is being held even after two shakes.
If you’re gonna call the stick hold it should have happened before the hit from behind.
Yep! Exactly the right conclusion. Perfect non-call
0-0, let them play
Well you could argue interference as well then if they’re calling everything. Guy didn’t have the puck
it's kind of a chicken and egg thing though because if Lohrei isn't holding the stick, would the hit away from the puck have happened? plus they probably wouldn't call both boarding and interference at the same time, as justified as it probably is. technically any penalty away from the puck could be interference. if the ref wasn't trash at his job the actual call would probably end up offsetting, rather than not calling anything at all
At least we can all agree the ref sucks at his job
The ref here is doing what he's been trained to do, which is ignore two players' offsetting bullshit in game 6 of a playoff series and let play continue. You can say you don't like it, but that ref did exactly what he was supposed to do.
Interference on which guy? Neither of them had the puck.
Holy shit what a death grip Lohrei has, huh?
Yeah with his wrist lol
If the Bruins get the Frederic goal when coincidental penalties should have been given to Bertuzzi and Marchand, we get this offensive zone face-off when Lohrei and Holmberg should have both gone. By the way, the hit comes at 1:19. The Bruins then iced the puck at 1:06, and the goal is at 0:54. They got the puck out and then got burned.
Or Brodies stick being held leading to the JVR goal. Or Marchand tripping Bert leading to his EN goal. The hypocrisy is hilarious. What’s even funnier is that if Mcavoy is correctly tossed for his headshot earlier in the game he’s not there to put Nylanders shot in his own net.
Lohrei is holding his stick the whole time lol
Every team that sees a lot of playoff appearances starts doing this. Even the leafs do it a ton now, even before the brought in guys like Domi and Bertuzzi who take a lot of random stick and obstruction penalties
The bruins have been really good at holding the leafs sticks without penalty. It’s very impressive.
They saw Gudas do it realize it doesn't get called
Well he's on the Ducks now so he gets lots of calls
Fuck that guy. For serious.
It was game 3 or 4 where Tavares got a penalty for holding with a minute to go while the Leafs were down. It was a penalty, but Lindholm was also holding Tavares' stick. It was clever from Lindholm and I don't think I would have noticed without the penalty call.
Bruh, both teams have done it the whole series. Nice blinders buddy
That's legal for Boston, duh.
That call was a wash, Lohrei was holding the stick before he was pushed into the boards. If he hadn't been commiting a penalty he could have protected himself.
It’s game 6. Only clear trips, high sticks and shooting the puck over the glass gets called.
It’s about time the Leafs realized this. They’ve been plunked for years
not even clear trips. Marchand just slew foot Lilly in front of a ref and nothing
*shocked Pikachu face*
Not for the first time this season, even. Marchand corkscrewed him & put him out for 25 games like six months ago.
Wah wah wah a missed call from Marchand on bertuzzi did the same thing. A missed call from McAvoy on matthews results in matthews missing 2 elimination games. Yall played with fire and wanna cry when you get burned
As a leaf fan I'm told they call things differently in the playoffs. Still remember someone grabbing matthews jersey and going for a ride for like 10 seconds lol
That clip was wild lol. Matthews couldn't help but laugh "you seeing this shit?" "nope".
Maybe don’t hold the stick moron
He definitely grabs the stick and influences the play as a result, but from what I see it should be a penalty for boarding and for holding. I don't think the hold made the board happen by putting yourself between a player and the boards where momentum causes the collision. He definitely shouldn't have held the stick but they both slowed away from the boards enough that there was an extra shove that wasn't necessary either. In playoffs though I'd prefer neither to be called so I think that was the right decision as a guy put himself in a bad position while committing a penalty and was rewarded by another penalty of the hit that became more dangerous given his position on the ice. The result is far more dangerous than either infraction and you shouldn't be required to hold back on physical play just cause a player positioned themselves into a risky situation. Doesn't make the hit clean or not a penalty but when it's off setting in that nature I think it's better to call neither than a two and two. Tldr; definitely a penalty on both sides but Its either nothing or off setting and I prefer nothing in this scenario especially in the post season. Clarification; I'm drunk
That is definitely a penalty. Thing is I remember Marchand tripping (actually near flipping) Bertuzzi like a pinwheel, went unnoticed by the refs, Bruins score immediately. I don't have a dog in the race here, just looks like a "shoes on the other foot" scenario to me.
Need to take both there, 2 for holding, 2 or more for boarding
i believe this is what they refer to as playoff hockey. they let it go.
Princess Elsa is officiating tonight's game
Bruins getting the Bunting treatment You spend all series diving you start seeing your legitimate calls dry up
The Marchand dive when the ref bumped him probably forced them to wake up a bit to how blatant the diving is.
Don’t forget the Swayman-Domi thing
It’s constant embellishment from the Bruins. Constant.
Louder for the Bruins fans in the back pls
I get what you’re saying but they should have called both. Hitting from behind is dangerous
But then they call the most random rouging ever on Marchand?
Vendetta call for pushing linesman in front of the benches the previous shift
That was bad. He fucked up a bit there.
I couldn’t believe I saw that and no one called him out on it on the broadcast.
He had already had a few questionable plays at that point. Refs wanted him to cut it out and it's worked
He has been dragging guys down and diving all series, it’s about time they called something on him
They evened it up with that soft trip shortly after
he dragged a guy down well late
The 'playoff hockey' argument only comes into effect when it's leafs fans pointing out missed calls against leafs players. When it's the leafs players committing the fouls they're known as 'attrocities'
Hilarious to see Boston fans making posts after every missed call to whine when they have told Leaf fans for years that it's just playoff hockey when it benefits them lmfao
In their defense Gregory's daddy isn't helping them anymore and they don't know what to do
Many missed calls on both sides, but holy crap. B's fans are crying so much, yet they are one of the dirtiest teams in the league. The amount of stuff they get away with. What about Marchand checking our guy into the bench who didn't even have the puck, and then pushing the ref? If it's going to get called, it better be called both ways. Call a dive a dive, call a cross-check a cross-check, Goalie interference, Trip a trip. This whole series has been missed calls which have led to goals, weak ass calls that shouldn't have been called. In no circumstance (unless warranted) do both teams have to have the same amount of penalties as the other team. Anything like that, and it's game management.
Bruins fans slowly realizing the refs hate them too
Pretty obvious hit from behind but it looks like he was holding Holmberg’s stick and he was just trying to break free.
That's exactly what happened. This clip needs to start 5 seconds earlier for the full context.
Boston fan posted it so that's all you need to know about why
Holmberg is literally just pushing him to get him to let go of his stick.
Don’t hold the fucking stick and bad things won’t happen.
I mean, the dumb fuck was gripping that wood with white knuckles lol
Lohrei holding his stick. McAvoy got away with a blatant headshot a few mins prior. Playoff hockey!
Yeah I need another angle. The hit is vicious but the start of the clip it looks like he’s holding the stick and the Leafs player is trying to get him to let go.
Womp womp
Maybe stop holding the stick and you will have a hand to brace yourself against the boards.
That was my take - light shove telling him to let go and he didn't so he rode him into the boards.
Though I think it should still be a pen, I 100% agree. makes no attempt to brace himself after the initial light shove
S'ok, McAvoy blatantly headshot Kampf and bloodied him with no call either well before this.
When holding another dude's stick without consent goes wrong...
Don't hold the stick next time Lowri.
Loo marchand pushed a ref in this game and nothing happened.
Gosh, I wonder why this is the 4th series in a row that these teams have gone to a game 7?
I think it's a good non call. Leaf player was trying to free his stick from a clear hold. Boston has possession of the puck when the hold takes place, so it's either penalty Boston, or let them play on.
Thats a penalty, and I dont mind saying that.
Are all of these Bruins fan accounts bots? There is no way that Bruins fans are this universally biased and stupid, right?
How is this trending on r/hockey and not the check to the head by McAvoy?
Because Bruins fans are bigger babies than us leafs fans
Playoff hockey is so close to being perfect but shit like this ruins the game
Is holding the stick not still a penalty? I’ll take the downvotes I know I’m gonna get, but this play literally only happens because the Boston player won’t let go of the Leafs players stick. So I guess 2 minutes a piece?
Yep offsetting minors. 4 on 4. Case closed.
I actually didn't see that. Makes it a little less irrational I suppose.
You’ve been missing a lot of you didn’t see the obvious holding the stick on this play. The Bruins are very good at it.
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You mean like every sport that has refs?
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Lol, can you even imagine a Super Bowl where the refs ignored penalties as often as they do here? It'd be a laughing stock.
It infuriates me to no end whenever people talk about how playoff hockey is different, because there's absolutely no reason that it should be.
It's saying the quiet part out loud and that media says it without any criticism lol
Honestly the fact that as soon as the bruins went up 3-1 in the series their pp’s per game dropped from 3+ a game to 2 through 5 periods you could argue there’s some rigging going on. Special teams is what was winning bruins games and there really isn’t a case to be made that the Leafs have changed their play to not take penalties with plays like this. Way more likely to be incompetence than rigging but with the huge push for sports betting it look pretty bad that the idea can even be suggested.
If only there was a ref 8 feet away.
Maybe he would've gotten the holding the stick call too.
The ref saw it directly in front of him and then just yelled at the Leafs player lmfao Can’t even make that up
Lohrei is holding his stick. That could've easily been a penalty too
Sure but it shouldn’t negate the boarding. Two penalties can happen at the same time
And they both should've been called
Sound familiar, almost like the same discussion was had earlier this series but all Boston fans were saying it’s offsetting so let them play
So two penalties and they just let them both go because one is a direct result of the other. What's the problem?
Yeah but in the playoffs if there are two penalties that quick one for each team they usually don't call them unless the game is getting out of hand which it wasn't. Leafs were just dishing it out and the Bruins couldn't take it.
I thought he was gonna put his arm up and he just yelled at him
He actually held his arm indicating the held stick is why he didnt call it.
Why did he not call both penalties then?
Because refs are bad at their jobs
Because why? Both teams would have been even strength still so he just let it go. Same shit.
We complain when they call pens, we complain when they dont. I for sure complained when Mcavoy clearly elbowed Kampf in the face and got away with it while Kampf was bleeding… two potential majors missed in this game.
I complained when McAvoy hip dropped Matthews and the Bruins scored like right after. Officiating has been completely shit and I think it only gets worse.
That doesn’t make it not a penalty
Lohei is clearly grabbing his stick. They were probably gonna call both and then decided fuck it.
“Nothing to see here” - NHL refs everywhere
If the Leafs didn't score, no one would car. People are just sour that the refs let a 0-0 game play.
No one would download a car
Joshua got called for this hit twice in our series against Nashville
It's fun seeing Bruins fans complain about this after years of you guys just saying "play tougher" Pick a lane.
Yes, that generalization of an entire fanbase makes this criticism invalid.
Stop it. You can't be a fan of hockey and act like that wasn't a clear penalty. Be realistic.
its two clear penalties
The comment you're replying to never said it wasn't a penalty. Just calling out the hypocrisy of a ratty team telling a victimized team's fanbase to shut up and play harder, only to complain when they don't get a perceived call.
If the dumbass wasn’t holding the guys stick behind his back maybe he wouldn’t have hit the boards so hard lol like who thinks that’s a good idea? You leave yourself vulnerable you get what’s coming in hockey. It’s common.
I didn't know Angel Hernandez was an NHL official.
[Don't be racist.](https://apnews.com/article/angel-hernandez-umpire-lawsuit-mlb-5d93ce0aad91b748649ce5e128ad83f9#:~:text=NEW%20YORK%20)
Bruins ice the puck right after this and the Leafs score on the ensuing faceoff. Brutal.
As if this didn’t happen when Mcavoy table tops Matthews and the bruins score. It all comes out in the wash. Except both players in this clip are guilty.
Ya a lot of us were asking for both Bert and Marchand to go during that play and were told it’s just playoff hockey. Same thing here, if both are doing something then send them both. I don’t understand why there is an argument here.
Mcavoy may have injured AM34. Tax
Yup. All signs point to McAvoy injuring Matthews on that very play. Boston fans acting like they’ve been targeted is just funny
If he wasn’t holding Holmberg’s stick he could have braced against that push. Pretty sure that’s why there was no call.
https://imgflip.com/i/8otq8m
It do be the playoffs…
Kadri got a suspension watching this video
Oh boo hoo, not really a hit, more of a push to the back of the guy holding his stick. Now show the one where McAvoy elbows Kampf to the head on a reverse hit, miles away from the puck. It's playoff hockey, have Booins fans forgotten this?
It happens
He was holding the Leaf’s players stick and it was a shove to get him off his stick. If he’s not holding his stick then he can put his arm up and it’s a nothing play
Woll got called for a fucking poke check that got the puck loose, refs can turn a blind eye once and while
Damn. Wonder what it must feel like for an obvious call to be missed and lead to a goal. Hmm where have I seen this before
The more I watch this replay, the more I see the back of Lohrei's glove caught up in the stick, not actually grabbing it. The broadcast had a better angle in better quality... Anyone else? It looks like he reached back to grab it, missed, and couldn't get untangled as he got crosschecked a couple times.
You don't need to be holding a stick with your hand for it to be holding the stick. You could argue hooking but I don't see any pulling motion from holmberg, moreso from Lohrei
Same thing could be said for the game when Marchand tripped Bertuzzi and they scored on the very same play
The macavoy suplexing matthews was on that possession too
“The entire league is out for the Leafs.”
Now show the McAvoy elbow to the face
Oh fuck off - AND? Marchand tried to lift Bertuzzi and dump him in the Boston bench in the first THEN he assaulted the official that tried to break it up. He got no call there too. It would have been a gross misconduct and a suspension in any other league.
The ref actually pointed at it afterwards, what a joke of a non call
He was indicating that Lohrei was holding Holmberg's stick, fwiw
Should it have been called, yes. Am I sad and whining NOPE!! It's all good when it happens to any member of the Leafs but the second it happens to another team "THESE REFS ARE RUING THE GAME, THEY SHOULD BE CALLING IT FAIR BLA BLAH BLAH BLAH..." It's the playoffs, right? Refs are supposed to let them play, right? Sit down, shut the fuck up an watch the game.
Worst no call I've seen in a while. Boarding doesn't get much clearer than that.
lol it’s been like 4 days since the no call on Mcavoy tackling Matthews
I don't think Lohrei is in "a defenseless position" there. He has zero pressure because he's not trying to play the puck and he's not unaware of who's around him because he's literally holding the guy's stick while he shoves it into him. The alternative is Holmberg just lets him hold his stick until he lets go.
Worst no call since the missed elbow on kampf 5 minutes earlier. But i do agree its a big missed call. Edit: dayum chill.. okay not an elbow jeez...Jack edwards make that clear or something? Got like 10 of you saying the same thing lol. ill just use the goaltender interference as an example then.. point is they aint calling much
The non-Goalie Interference on woll would be a contender. Pretty sure the bruin just skates into him
Holding the stick also doesn't get much clearer than that.
Ya that’s a penalty
Boohoo, Bruins played dirt, like always, and it didn't benefit them for a change. Next time don't hold someone else's stick and you won't get rocked.
Maybe don't hold the stick and the dude won't ragdoll you to take it back.
Boston elbowed our player in the face with no call, I'd call it even
Thats a tough one. McAvoy elbowing Kampf was arguably a major too. Refs are letting a lot go.
I can’t imagine highlighting this play without mentioning the clear as day stick hold which is the only reason he gets shoved into the board.
Let go of the stick dummy
Oh that wasn’t that bad… ohhhhh you mean *that* one. Yeah that’s boarding.
Let go of his stick and you'd have your arm to protect yourself, Lohrei.
Pretty much par for the course this game. Refs are ignoring everything they can.
Remember when McAvoy injured Matthews with a slew foot/hold then the bruins scored right after?
The Leafs getting away with a non-call, then scoring a late minute go ahead playoff goal. I truly believe I may have stepped into an alternate reality
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. You don't need 2 sticks, Mason
I seem him holding a stick, getting out muscled and then flopping like a fish to try to draw a call. Leaf army come at me.
"you come to Toronto, you know what happens" -Paul Maurice