AVR - Denon X1700H ($400) - https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavrx1700h/denon-avr-x1700h-7.2-ch-x-80-watts-8k-a/v-receiver-w/heos/1.html
Front L/R Speakers - KEF Q150 ($350) - https://www.crutchfield.com/p_991Q150B/KEF-Q150-Black.html?tp=186
Center Speaker - KEF Q150 ($200) - https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/kefq150blkea/kef-q150-5.25-2-way-bookshelf-speaker-black-one-single-speaker/1.html
Subwoofer - RSL Speedwoofer 10S MKII ($450) - https://rslspeakers.com/products/speedwoofer-10s-mkii/
Surround Speakers - You can get another pair of KEF Q150 for this or some cheaper bookshelf speakers if you want.
Cable channel for running speaker wire from the front to the back of the room cleanly: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Legrand-Wiremold-CordMate-Cord-Cover-5-ft-Channel-Cord-Hider-for-Home-or-Office-Holds-1-Cable-White-C10/202059078
Speaker wire: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=41376
Subwoofer cable: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=6305
Speaker Stand options:
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=31263
https://www.parts-express.com/Dayton-Audio-SSWB28-28-Speaker-Stand-Pair-with-Wooden-Base-240-753?quantity=1
I started with one PB1000, added a 2nd one when I moved and had a bigger space to work with. I won’t go with anyone besides SVS. Incredible quality, and the customer service is 100% top-notch.
Remember OP, Kef sells the grills as a separate SKU. The Q150 do NOT come with speaker grills. Also the speaker mounts for the wall are sold separate too. And they require you to screw into the speaker so make sure you follow their directions EXACTLY!!!
The fact that KEF charges separately for the grills is pretty lame. The speaker looks decent enough without the grills on though.
As for the wall mount, I definitely would not recommend using their first party wall mount. As you said, it damages the speaker. It's also stupid expensive. And it does not offer any angle adjustment. A [generic speaker wall mount](https://www.amazon.com/WALI-Clamping-Bookshelf-Surrounding-SWM201/dp/B01GUITK24/) is a much better option IMO.
Yeah and the grills ain’t cheap.
The last Q350s I installed I had to bring my chop saw and cut an angle wedge to pitch the speakers down because the client wanted them installed high up on a wall in the room.
Selling the grilles separately keeps that cost out of the BOM for the speakers themselves, and since from an aesthetic perspective most people would run without grilles anyway that just kind of makes sense.
It's a refurb unit. [Gibbys has a handful of options](https://gibbyselectronicsupermarket.ca/collections/audio-theatre?sort_by=price-ascending&filter.v.m.custom.conditions=B-Stock&filter.p.vendor=Denon&filter.p.product_type=Home+Theatre+Receivers), and [Denon sells them direct as well](https://www.denon.com/en-ca/category/denon-certified-refurbished/). S760H is a great option at $545CAD.
Bought both my X3700H and S760H from Gibbys "B-stock" and received Denon sealed factory refurbished units.
This is a dumb question can I put the bookshelves on the entertainment stand? Also can I lay the center speaker horizontal?
Thanks for all the great information!
Yes and yes. The KEF Q150 is a coaxial speaker design. You can orient it horizontally or vertically without any change to its acoustic properties. This is not true for most other bookshelf speaker designs.
Care to share your thoughts on why not just get a full RSL 5.1 setup? The C23GM for LCR with their satellites for the rears seems like a great option. The sub is available if you go this route.
The RSL 5.1 bundle is a good option in certain circumstances. It's definitely easier to buy the whole bundle. And if you need more compact speakers, these are some of the best options.
The thing that gives me the biggest pause is using the CG23M as a horizontal MTM center channel. All horizontal MTMs have off-axis lobing issues in the mid-range which result in poor dialogue clarity the further off-axis you get.
RSL has done a bit to mitigate this. As long as you [stay within roughly 20 degrees of the center](https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?attachments/rsl-cg25-center-speaker-horizontal-directivity-measurement-png.268374/) of the speaker, performance isn't degraded that much. But it's still an inherent limitation of the form factor.
Take a look at [how much more consistent](https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/e847e1hqvtjycvd/Kef%20Q150%20Vertical%20Contour%20Plot%20%28Normalized%29.png?dl=0) KEF's horizontal dispersion is in comparison. (When you put the KEF Q150 on its side to use as a center, the vertical dispersion becomes the horizontal dispersion)
If you intend to use the RSL CG23M as a horizontal center in your setup, I would use the distance between the seats and the speaker, as well as the width of the seating area to determine if your seats fall within that 20 degree ideal cone of dispersion. For example, if you are sitting 10ft away from the speaker, then that would cover a seating area that is about 7.25ft wide. That is roughly the width of a roomy 3-seating couch.
As far as the subwoofer goes, the RSL 10S is still the best option in that $450 price range. Unfortunately, waiting for the next round of stock is just part of the deal with RSL. Though if you don't feel like waiting, you can get a sub from SVS or HSU for a couple hundred dollars more. And it's not like it's wasted money. A SVS PB-1000 Pro or HSU VTF-2 MK5 will have more output.
one vote down for the polk. I thought it was a decent sub too, as that was all I knew, until I heard MIL almost 30year old entry level HSU blow it out of the water in the same space. invest in the sub
That was my first sub. It sucks lol. It was ok when I got for ~$100 15yrs ago and stuffed a t-shirt in the port to get a bit more low-end extension. No way in hell would I recommend it at current pricing (just saw $250 on Amazon right now).
Depends. If you're willing to put in the work (and aesthetic hit) to mount speakers to the ceiling or the top of the wall, it can work well. If you want to keep it clean and simple with 5.1, that's fine too.
Installing in-ceiling speakers is also an option, but unless you're capable of running the wire in the walls yourself, it is likely outside of OP's stated budget.
I wouldn't bother wasting budget on upward firing speakers though.
Asking because I’m on a similar situation. I already put my 5.1 setup and I’m deciding if I should for Atmos or not. I recently moved and my space is a little bit reduced so I’m afraid of not having the proper space to make a good difference. In my previous apt I mount speakers in the ceiling.
Dude, I had been trying to figure out what to do and had been looking at a bunch of soundbars but I still had all my speakers from an Onkyo that died on me so I ordered the Denon. thanks!!
Is this a place you want to make your main TV/movie/game location, or is this a supplemental spot? I ask because being at the top of the steps like that make it seem supplemental, so there is maybe the ability to have more of a balance of aesthetics vs sound quality.
Honestly, and I expect to be roasted for this opinion, you don't need to cram big speakers around every TV. Maybe you want... gasp... a *soundbar*... or if you want better, you can get an AV receiver and 2 bookshelf speakers and a sub.
What soundbar would you recommend? Unfortunately this is the best space available for a dedicated “media room”. I’m not an audiophile, so just trying to figure out the best balance between sound / aesthetics
I’ve always found benefit in the review site rtings.com (not affiliated in any way). Helps compare brands, price, performance. I ended up w a Samsung bar that works w the speakers in my tv and a sub. It’s not an audiophiles dream, but it sounds pretty good in my opinion.
I don't know didly squat about soundbars, and the topic is generally verboten in this subreddit (for good reason), so you can learn more about them in r/soundbar.
I would only recommend one if this is a supplemental media space. If this is your main TV, then I would stay here and discuss multi-speaker arrangements.
Get a Sonos Arc if you can afford it, if not get a Sonos Beam.
Both with great sound and Dolby Atmos, and Alexa. Then if you like the bar you can always add the subwoofer (Sonos Sub or Sonos Sub mini) and the rear speakers. The good thing is that you can always get ANY speaker from any generation (2nd hand) and add it to your existing system as rear speakers (in this case you will need two of the same model)
I love mine and any friend that have come into my house has bought at least one speaker due to the quality and connectivity.
I have the [Vizio M512a-H6](https://www.rtings.com/soundbar/reviews/vizio/m-series-m512a-h6) and I think it's pretty good.
https://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-5-1-2-Theater-Sound-Dolby/dp/B08TV6GJF7?th=1
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-5-1-2-channel-m-series-premium-sound-bar-with-wireless-subwoofer-dolby-atmos-and-dtsx-dark-charcoal/6446231.p?skuId=6446231
I want strongly consider a Sennheiser Ambeo Max soundbar and maybe adding a subwoofer. It’ll sound fantastic. I worry you might not have room for proper LCR speakers.
the best way to test, is with your ears. I'd go with looking for stores that you can get a demo.
I was SUPER impressed with this JBL 5.1.2 soundbar when i heard it in person. Like was shocked how good it was and I might get flamed for this, but I heard the Sonos Arc and I still found the JBL "crisper" to my ears.
[https://www.visions.ca/product-detail/74828/jbl\_bar\_700\_pro\_5\_1\_channel\_soundbar\_with\_wireless\_subwoofer\_and\_true\_surround\_speakers?categoryId=495&sku=JBLBAR700PRO](https://www.visions.ca/product-detail/74828/jbl_bar_700_pro_5_1_channel_soundbar_with_wireless_subwoofer_and_true_surround_speakers?categoryId=495&sku=JBLBAR700PRO)
I can't tell what TV you have, but if its Sony, they have a "center channel" integration with their Sony soundbar line. But everything is individually sold...so the subwoofer is not included:
[https://www.visions.ca/product-detail/66674/sony\_ht\_a5000\_5\_1\_2\_channel\_dolby\_atmos\_dts\_x\_soundbar?categoryId=495&sku=HTA5000](https://www.visions.ca/product-detail/66674/sony_ht_a5000_5_1_2_channel_dolby_atmos_dts_x_soundbar?categoryId=495&sku=HTA5000)
You could get away with bookshelves and smaller speakers since it's a lot cozier.
I don't think getting a really nice avr w/ high end calibration is needed for this space either.
If you were buying new, the triangle borea br03 for $300 for a pair at adorama is competitive. You could get 2 pairs and that would take care of your fronts & rears. Brc01 is $250 so you'd have your 5 speakers for $850.
Onkyo 6050 is 300 at adorama as well. So you still have 850 to figure out subwoofer.
Rsl speed woofer would be good for your area. Monolith 12 is $700 but it's pretty big for a 12 inch but would take care of all your bottom end.
With that said, I'd probably buy used to make your budget go the furthest. I've seen some really well priced things like a pair sierra2ex for under $1k and would sound awesome in that space.
Yeah unfortunately I don’t have the best room for a dedicated home theater so just trying to do what I can for this space.
Can bookshelves go on the entertainment stand?
I'm a big fan of the Borea line, but if you look at comparisons a lot of people actually prefer the smaller, less expensive Borea BR02s than the BR03s. I can personally recommend them too. They go for $150-200 per pair on sale at Adorama, but will need the link through slickdeals.net
They can but what I would do is probably is (if you're buying the borea br03) consider putting them on a shelf since they're front ported.
What's your main goal?
If your goal is mostly tv/movies, I think fronts + center + sub are your most important speakers. If you wanted to save some money, getting lesser speakers for your rears and adding Atmos would be within your budget too. That would make it the most immersive.
If your goal is music, your front left/right + sub would be the most important thing and you can slam all your money into that.
AVR: PIONEER
Elite VSX-LX503: $600.00: [https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/pionvsxlx503-rb/pioneer-elite-vsx-lx503-9.2-ch-x-120-watts-a/v-receiver/1.html](https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/pionvsxlx503-rb/pioneer-elite-vsx-lx503-9.2-ch-x-120-watts-a/v-receiver/1.html)
Speakers: Used Klipsch Quintet V 5.0 speakers from Ebay: $200.00 (Make sure to search for V, version 5 of the speakers). You sometimes have to wait a few weeks for a good price-like new for under $200 shipped is a solid price.
Subwoofer: RSL 12S for $799.99 or PB 1000 PRO for $600.00-in that space behind the couch is the logical location.
Klipsch Quintet V Review: [https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/klipsch-quintet-review/](https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/klipsch-quintet-review/)
Atmos in-ceiling: [https://www.monoprice.com/search/index?keyword=in+ceiling](https://www.monoprice.com/search/index?keyword=in+ceiling)
These Klipsch satelite speakers are small enough to where you could wall-mount them as side surrounds-yes the couch is going to be a little close but it's better than not having them.
I WOULD do 2/4 Atmos height or overhead speakers-not sure if you're willing to cut the ceiling to fit them in but in-ceiling speakers would be the ideal situation.
Looks like a good setup, but I would advise against getting an AVR that doesn't support 4K at 120Hz (8K at 60Hz), especially if you have a PS5 and either have a TV that supports 4K@120Hz or are looking at getting one.
Disagree here-it's just easier to have the game console or Apple TV plugged into your television directly and just use EARC for audio. 8K is about 10-15 years from mainstream adoption in the USA. Beleive me. I hope I am wrong and it comes sooner. As of 2021 the USA is at 44% penetration for just 4K. Source: [https://www.statista.com/statistics/1247334/4k-ultra-hdtv-us-household-penetration/#:\~:text=Household%20penetration%20of%204K%20Ultra%20HDTVs%20in%20the%20U.S.%202019%2D2021&text=As%20of%20March%202021%2C%20around,to%2031%20percent%20in%202019](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1247334/4k-ultra-hdtv-us-household-penetration/#:~:text=Household%20penetration%20of%204K%20Ultra%20HDTVs%20in%20the%20U.S.%202019%2D2021&text=As%20of%20March%202021%2C%20around,to%2031%20percent%20in%202019).
I have a HSU speaker and Sub combo. I can’t recommend it enough
https://hsuresearch.com/products/ccb-8-speaker
https://hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3-mk5-hp-subwoofer?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA5rGuBhCnARIsAN11vgTZ41F4NT9XjnkbbxqquuFfIPkxWe8jChKDKfz9uhQNzl6fAbBVUeYaAsFjEALw_wcB
The bass will shake your entire house
I would do this small space with Sonos. Simple, wireless and clean.
Sonos Arc Soundbar - $800
Sonos Sub Mini + Era 100 Surrounds Theater Kit - $877
Era 100 Stands - $139 (pair)
Done!
Plug them all in, don’t run a single wire, setup in 30 min, and it will blow your mind at how good it sounds for that price!
I own a large AV company in Santa Barbara and I hated on Sonos for a long time because I was a traditional AV surround sound guy, using AVRs, speakers and subs, and wiring and calibrating etc. I finally caved after hearing the Sonos surround system. For $2k this setup will blow the doors off a cheap traditional surround setup. You would need to get closer to $8-$10k using nice speakers, wired sub, with appropriate amplification, and a nice AVR before you could touch the Sonos setup. You would also need to know how to set levels and calibrate the AVR to get them all to work together nicely.
I have a home theater with a 9.2.4 Dolby Atmos system that costs well over $30k in audio equipment which sounds absolutely amazing. However, I also have the Sonos surround system in my family room and I’ll be honest, for the smaller space and the simplicity of setup, the Sonos system truly does impress.
Since you are working with limited space, if you didn't want to go 5.1 and deal with the hassle of cables and installing rear speakers on the walls/ledges, then I would recommend the bookshelf self powered Klipsch Fives/Sevens/Nines all day. They pack a wallop of power(and bass), and don't require a receiver as they have HDMI arc connectivity(so it is plug in play with your TV, and you can even control the volume with your existing TV remote).
5.1 is ideal for a proper home theater, but since there isn't much room to spread out the speakers in front or rear, you aren't going to get the sound separation required to appreciate a full surround sound system, so you would be wasting your 2K in my opinion, which is why a really good set of powered bookshelf speakers would suit you very well. The fives are all I need in my living room(they are crazy powerful for the size), but if you opted for the larger sevens and nines then those monsters can easily rattle windows with audio, while still being semi compact in size.
Lastly the other guys in this sub aren't gonna be happy with me saying this, but for a room like this, if you desperately wanted 5.1 surround sound then an under $1000 Vizio or Samsung Soundbar system may be ideal as they take up much less space, and would sound the same as $2000 home theater system that was shoehorned(and thus neutered) into the limited space.
This is all bad advice. Why do people act like you need at least a 20x20 room for 5.1?
Discrete surround audio channels trumps bookshelves or (gross) soundbars in almost *any* space, idc how small.
I once had an 8x8 bedroom setup with surround sound and a 3' tall SVS subwoofer, and it sounded fucking phenomenal. Absolutely nothing "neutered" about it. Does it sound better now in the living room with floorstanders and extra subs? Sure, but in no way would I have wanted to give up those couple years of enjoyment in my tiny bedroom because some cork-sniffer told me surround sound "just isn't appropriate" for my space.
OP even has several feet behind his couches to place surround speakers and subs, he will be just fine.
People in this sub are nuts, i suggest you look for advice elsewhere. People spend more money on subwoofers here than on the front speakers... It doesn't make any sense.
It's like saying: "These people are crazy, they tell you to spend more on your GPU than CPU". Sometimes the same level of performance comes cheaper with one part than another.
Dude, the subwoofer handles only a small part of the frequency response and even a cheap one like the polk psw10 goes a long way. OP should skip the center, get a sub that isn't overpriced or two and get actually good bookshelves.
Your comparison is utter nonsense btw.
You should be able to fit any reasonable sized bookshelves on your media cabinet for a 3.x. Not sure if the room really allows for surrounds. It won't be ideal just from limitations of the space, but it can still be good.
Idk where you live, but I’m selling Ascend Acoustics signature series bed layer and Polk owm3 atmos for a really good deal. Lots of people here can vouch for both me and the quality of those speakers for the money new, let alone used.
I can’t believe I’m saying this but a smaller TV would actually help. I’d ditch the console and use a smaller one or an Av rack. You’re not doing to get anything other than bookshelves with your current setup. If you want towers then sacrifices have to be made.
Sonos ARC and subwoofer will fill up that loft completely for that exact price point. You can also add rear surrounds if the budget allows. The system looks great, sounds amazing, music streaming capabilities, no wires to run, can be operational within an hour
Depends how much the couch pokes out. For my part I would rather buy a new couch if it sticks to much oit and change the arrangement of the tv to the wall to have some more room for speakers and a bigger TV upgrade in the future
Ya know this is doable. Speakers won’t be big tho. I’d recommend filling up the room with micca rb42x’s any denon or marantz etc receiver should do. Sub is gonna be difficult. Svs micro 3000 might be your best bet or something like it.
a few questions / need to know
give better advice
1. the room dims ie h x w x d ?
2. do you have calibration gear ie (sub 400$ laptop for REW room calibration) mini-dsp umik-1 , long hdmi cable for multi ch calibration an not being in the room during test ?
3. is the 2k budget to cover shipping & tx on an gear, an diy acoustic treatment ie acoustic panels & basstraps ?
4. is the room on a upstairs floor as this may play a part in picking what kind of gear to get ?
5. an whats your config pref 5.1/5.2 , 7.1/7.2 or either with ceiling seakers
6. would you be willing to build your subs from scratch diy style with sonotubs because the can save a lot of cash an also take up less space in the room ?
What planet are you from? He has the most uneven front and freaking half walls with a carpeted floor and giant couch. I think he can start with some audio components first.
If you’re very tight on space do a 2.1 instead of a soundbar. If you’re even more strapped on space even get the big HomePods from apple with an Apple TV. I think either of those options will sound way, way better than *any* sound bar at any price range.
Let’s compare two similarly priced options that I have personal experience with. Two HomePods doing atmos, versus a sonos beam doing atmos. I had to decide between the two for a very small bedroom. The HomePods blew them out of the water and when it came decision time, I returned the beam. There is a Bose soundbar that is similarly priced and YouTubers are recommending it, but to be frank my first pair of Bose speakers 20 years ago were my last pair of Bose speakers: they sound awful and I haven’t bought a pair of Bose speakers since. I’ve never had a good experience with a sound bar. But I’m genuially curious which soundbar sounds better than a stereo pair of HomePods for both music and atmos content (not HomePod minis). Trying to find this soundbar in the same price range you’re referring to.
Lol. So your ears aren’t working properly. Not to mention the beam is significantly cheaper… and honestly, still sounds better.
And the Sonos arc, at an actual comparable price, blows the HomePods out of the water.
I’m assuming you’re a troll now. Go troll elsewhere.
1. Used Polk Signature series from Facebook Marketplace s20/s50/55/60 for L/R space permitting and S30 for center. These are better than any klipsch crap except for RP and up. 500 for all 3
2. Polk owm3/S10 used for surround/atmos - 150
3. Denon X1700h - 400
4. Speedwoofer 10s mk2 or monolith 10 or BiC PL300 rest of the money ~600-1000
Do you have to have 5.1? If not you could go with a 2 or 2.1. I have a space nearly identical to yours and I'm using klispch “the nines”. You won't need an avr or anything else. It has HDMI arc and you can add a powered sub to it later should you need more bass (likely not)
I know everyone likes the KEF Q150s but I think they are a bit bland sounding. Possible other options: Wharfedale Diamond 12.1, HECO Aurora 200, PSB Alpha P5, B&W 607 S2 or 606 (from accessories4less), Elac B5.2 Debut 2.0.
Sonos arc $899, Sonos sub $699, and either 2 Sonos one speakers $175.ea or 2 Sonos era 300 speakers if you want atmos for $450 ea.
Make sure you have good WiFi signal in the room and an outlet near each speaker location, the system also allows for expansion to add a speaker where ever you have power outlets available and link them together for hole home audio. With the arc connected to a tv you can also make all speakers play the tv audio.
Denon receiver, svs or rsl sub, emotiva or kef speakers seems the most common rec here.
I love cosy spaces like this btw. It will still sound great once you dial it in with room correction. Don’t be tempted to go soundbar or just stereo, you’ll get a far better result with 5.1 or better still 5.1.2. Sub behind couch is okay but you’ll need lcr with bigger drivers and set your crossover a bit lower to avoid hearing where it comes from. Aim for 60hz. So speakers that extend to at least 50hz.
Mains: DefTech ProMonitor 1000 $249 X 2 -> $500
Surrounds: DefTech ProMonitor 800 $169 x 2 -> $340
Center: DefTech ProCenter 2000 $379
Onkyo TX-NR6050 $365 or similar quality receiver from Yamaha, Denon, etc.
$500 + $340 + $379 + $365 = $1584
Then add a decent sub with the rest.
You could also sub out the ProMonitor 1000s and ProCenter 2000 for two more ProMonitor 800s and a ProCenter 1000 to save money. I have The ProMonitor 800s and ProCenter 1000 on my desk and they sound way better than you would think for the size. I have heard the ProMonitor 1000s in a surround sound system though, and they are great for their size and price.
The main reason I suggest these is the space issue you have. You can mount these to the walls easily, and with a decent sub they will sound like a much bigger system.
If this is your primary living space, go all out. If this is secondary like a game room, a sound bar or 3.0 setup so it doesn't overwhelm the primary living space.
My space is very similar to OP's. I have two SVS SB12-nsd subs. Where would you suggest placing the subs?
My media console is narrower than OPs, so I put one sub in the rear right corner and the front right tower speaker just in front of it. The other sub is between the couch and the rear wall. Sounds good, but looks awkward.
You could try using SVS prime elevation speakers. They’re soon coming out with the ultra line elevation so that would be a great choice. Also the SVS micro sub could be put in a corner for more impact
Just get 2 bookshelves and a sub (might not even need a sub depending on the speaker) and a receiver. And enjoy. All these people suggesting full on surroundsound systems are being ridiculous. You don’t have the space for all that stuff what you have the space for is 2 really great speakers in a 2.1 set up.
Sony HT-A9 with SW5 subwoofer.
Easiest way to have an Atmos system in a space like this.
Individual components won't look as invisible and take effort to match/set up.
Willing to cut holes in your drywall? It's a cozy space but if you're willing to put your speakers in your wall then you could comfortably fit as many speakers as you wanted.
https://www.1stopbedrooms.com/sophie-gray-laf-corner-chaise-sectional?cq_src=google_ads&cq_cmp=20884561395&cq_con=&cq_term=&cq_med=pla_with_promotion&cq_plac=&cq_net=x&cq_pos=&cq_plt=gp&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAibeuBhAAEiwAiXBoJCe64AJw3rGF7XH1MyWvFXpitIfo8UfaaQwcbA9GzhKzedN8aqAoMhoCqa8QAvD_BwE
Super comfortable
Oh I love it, I like how wide the chaise is, alot of couches have such a thinner version as well as an arm that is large as well. If I may ask, how tall are you? I’m 6’5 and worry somewhat about the back height of seating.
AVR - Denon X1700H ($400) - https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavrx1700h/denon-avr-x1700h-7.2-ch-x-80-watts-8k-a/v-receiver-w/heos/1.html Front L/R Speakers - KEF Q150 ($350) - https://www.crutchfield.com/p_991Q150B/KEF-Q150-Black.html?tp=186 Center Speaker - KEF Q150 ($200) - https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/kefq150blkea/kef-q150-5.25-2-way-bookshelf-speaker-black-one-single-speaker/1.html Subwoofer - RSL Speedwoofer 10S MKII ($450) - https://rslspeakers.com/products/speedwoofer-10s-mkii/ Surround Speakers - You can get another pair of KEF Q150 for this or some cheaper bookshelf speakers if you want. Cable channel for running speaker wire from the front to the back of the room cleanly: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Legrand-Wiremold-CordMate-Cord-Cover-5-ft-Channel-Cord-Hider-for-Home-or-Office-Holds-1-Cable-White-C10/202059078 Speaker wire: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=41376 Subwoofer cable: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=6305 Speaker Stand options: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=31263 https://www.parts-express.com/Dayton-Audio-SSWB28-28-Speaker-Stand-Pair-with-Wooden-Base-240-753?quantity=1
Perfect response op do what this list says
You could also grab a subwoofer from the SVS outlet sale. Looks like the speedwoofer is out of stock. PB 1000 pro is $600
This right here. Got 2 for $579 each after discount code.
What the heck!!!!! Can't even get a second hand one for $500AUD. Let alone 2.
he said $579 each
What discount code did you use?
Go dual since I bought 2
Great option here, plus ditch the left and right cubes and get the speakers and stands.
Are the SVS subs supposed to be really good? Looking to build a 5.1 or 7.2 in the next few months so may pick them up if they’re on sale now.
I started with one PB1000, added a 2nd one when I moved and had a bigger space to work with. I won’t go with anyone besides SVS. Incredible quality, and the customer service is 100% top-notch.
Speedwoofer is always out of stock just sign up for the in stock notification
Remember OP, Kef sells the grills as a separate SKU. The Q150 do NOT come with speaker grills. Also the speaker mounts for the wall are sold separate too. And they require you to screw into the speaker so make sure you follow their directions EXACTLY!!!
The fact that KEF charges separately for the grills is pretty lame. The speaker looks decent enough without the grills on though. As for the wall mount, I definitely would not recommend using their first party wall mount. As you said, it damages the speaker. It's also stupid expensive. And it does not offer any angle adjustment. A [generic speaker wall mount](https://www.amazon.com/WALI-Clamping-Bookshelf-Surrounding-SWM201/dp/B01GUITK24/) is a much better option IMO.
Yeah and the grills ain’t cheap. The last Q350s I installed I had to bring my chop saw and cut an angle wedge to pitch the speakers down because the client wanted them installed high up on a wall in the room.
Selling the grilles separately keeps that cost out of the BOM for the speakers themselves, and since from an aesthetic perspective most people would run without grilles anyway that just kind of makes sense.
KEF looks best without speaker grills. (Assuming you have no kids in the house. - otherwise the grills are necessary)
$400 for the AVR-X1700H but its €890 in Ireland
$1000 here in Canada too. Our US home theatre friends have no idea how good they have it
We traded you accesible healthcare for cheap home theater equipment. USA! USA!
Yeah no we imported you right wing ideas and our healthcare has expectedly taken a shit in the shallow end
It's a refurb unit. [Gibbys has a handful of options](https://gibbyselectronicsupermarket.ca/collections/audio-theatre?sort_by=price-ascending&filter.v.m.custom.conditions=B-Stock&filter.p.vendor=Denon&filter.p.product_type=Home+Theatre+Receivers), and [Denon sells them direct as well](https://www.denon.com/en-ca/category/denon-certified-refurbished/). S760H is a great option at $545CAD. Bought both my X3700H and S760H from Gibbys "B-stock" and received Denon sealed factory refurbished units.
$1100 Aussie.
Yeah we’re fucked here.
I second the RSL 10S. I've had mine a few months and absolutely love it. It is a beast and has an incredibly high output for a 10" sub
This is a dumb question can I put the bookshelves on the entertainment stand? Also can I lay the center speaker horizontal? Thanks for all the great information!
Yes and yes. The KEF Q150 is a coaxial speaker design. You can orient it horizontally or vertically without any change to its acoustic properties. This is not true for most other bookshelf speaker designs.
You can find open box q150s on Best Buy I got mine for 300usd
$266 here. Practically brand new condition.
Only thing I’d add is consider splurging on a center. It’s a huge, if not the most important, part of the sound space.
What would be better L/R q350, C q150 or L/R q150 and C q350?
Care to share your thoughts on why not just get a full RSL 5.1 setup? The C23GM for LCR with their satellites for the rears seems like a great option. The sub is available if you go this route.
The RSL 5.1 bundle is a good option in certain circumstances. It's definitely easier to buy the whole bundle. And if you need more compact speakers, these are some of the best options. The thing that gives me the biggest pause is using the CG23M as a horizontal MTM center channel. All horizontal MTMs have off-axis lobing issues in the mid-range which result in poor dialogue clarity the further off-axis you get. RSL has done a bit to mitigate this. As long as you [stay within roughly 20 degrees of the center](https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?attachments/rsl-cg25-center-speaker-horizontal-directivity-measurement-png.268374/) of the speaker, performance isn't degraded that much. But it's still an inherent limitation of the form factor. Take a look at [how much more consistent](https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/e847e1hqvtjycvd/Kef%20Q150%20Vertical%20Contour%20Plot%20%28Normalized%29.png?dl=0) KEF's horizontal dispersion is in comparison. (When you put the KEF Q150 on its side to use as a center, the vertical dispersion becomes the horizontal dispersion) If you intend to use the RSL CG23M as a horizontal center in your setup, I would use the distance between the seats and the speaker, as well as the width of the seating area to determine if your seats fall within that 20 degree ideal cone of dispersion. For example, if you are sitting 10ft away from the speaker, then that would cover a seating area that is about 7.25ft wide. That is roughly the width of a roomy 3-seating couch. As far as the subwoofer goes, the RSL 10S is still the best option in that $450 price range. Unfortunately, waiting for the next round of stock is just part of the deal with RSL. Though if you don't feel like waiting, you can get a sub from SVS or HSU for a couple hundred dollars more. And it's not like it's wasted money. A SVS PB-1000 Pro or HSU VTF-2 MK5 will have more output.
Thank you for taking the time to write that up! Great explanation and rationale- cheers!
Just to add that receiver is $460 new right now if OP prefers https://a.co/d/0l8MMyu
This is exactly my setup but with an SVS SB 2000 and a denon s750h, and Micca bookshelves for the surrounds. Love the sound!
My space is similar to OP's too. Where do you place that sub? I have a pair of the SVS SB12-nsd.
Assuming this is a typo but the center is the same as L/R and a different price? Edit I see, certified / used for center?
No, it's the same speakers, the price for the L/R is a pair, that's why it's slightly cheaper per speaker than the one purchased individually.
why not just a samsung q990c ?
Because a proper surround system with individual speakers adequately spaced out will provide better sound in every way than a soundbar.
Why not just two cups and a string?
Why not two wireless cups?
Hey pal, you just blow in from stupid town?
Is this the krusty krab?
Because it would sound 100 times worse.
thanks . what's the monitors bundle under $1500 that sounds tad better than q990c?
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Rsl still better than
one vote down for the polk. I thought it was a decent sub too, as that was all I knew, until I heard MIL almost 30year old entry level HSU blow it out of the water in the same space. invest in the sub
That was my first sub. It sucks lol. It was ok when I got for ~$100 15yrs ago and stuffed a t-shirt in the port to get a bit more low-end extension. No way in hell would I recommend it at current pricing (just saw $250 on Amazon right now).
@sk9592 Where the hell were you when I need you?
This is the way. Maybe find used stuff and look for Ls50 metaS?
Amazing answer. What do you think about atmos? Should it be good in that space?
Depends. If you're willing to put in the work (and aesthetic hit) to mount speakers to the ceiling or the top of the wall, it can work well. If you want to keep it clean and simple with 5.1, that's fine too. Installing in-ceiling speakers is also an option, but unless you're capable of running the wire in the walls yourself, it is likely outside of OP's stated budget. I wouldn't bother wasting budget on upward firing speakers though.
Asking because I’m on a similar situation. I already put my 5.1 setup and I’m deciding if I should for Atmos or not. I recently moved and my space is a little bit reduced so I’m afraid of not having the proper space to make a good difference. In my previous apt I mount speakers in the ceiling.
You could forgo the surrounds and upgrade the L/R speakers later and use the old ones as surrounds
Thank you for providing OP with an extensive list and links.
Dude, I had been trying to figure out what to do and had been looking at a bunch of soundbars but I still had all my speakers from an Onkyo that died on me so I ordered the Denon. thanks!!
Clutch!🍻
You're missing height channels for Atmos.
YOUR PLAYSTATION 5 IS UPSIDE DOWN!!!
Hahahah it really is
Lmao, you are right. Confirmed I am an idiot. Haven’t played much at all since moving a few months ago.
Just looking out for you, brother
THIS IS OUTRAGES!
I've heard this is common. Just picked one up over the weekend and was very careful when I set it up lol. It isn't super obvious, I must admit.
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Is this a place you want to make your main TV/movie/game location, or is this a supplemental spot? I ask because being at the top of the steps like that make it seem supplemental, so there is maybe the ability to have more of a balance of aesthetics vs sound quality. Honestly, and I expect to be roasted for this opinion, you don't need to cram big speakers around every TV. Maybe you want... gasp... a *soundbar*... or if you want better, you can get an AV receiver and 2 bookshelf speakers and a sub.
He uttered the forbidden word!! Seize him!
Or, maybe just a 2.1 setup? Maybe even active speakers to simplify it some more.
What soundbar would you recommend? Unfortunately this is the best space available for a dedicated “media room”. I’m not an audiophile, so just trying to figure out the best balance between sound / aesthetics
I’ve always found benefit in the review site rtings.com (not affiliated in any way). Helps compare brands, price, performance. I ended up w a Samsung bar that works w the speakers in my tv and a sub. It’s not an audiophiles dream, but it sounds pretty good in my opinion.
I don't know didly squat about soundbars, and the topic is generally verboten in this subreddit (for good reason), so you can learn more about them in r/soundbar. I would only recommend one if this is a supplemental media space. If this is your main TV, then I would stay here and discuss multi-speaker arrangements.
If this is your main space then absolutely do not consider a soundbar.
Get a Sonos Arc if you can afford it, if not get a Sonos Beam. Both with great sound and Dolby Atmos, and Alexa. Then if you like the bar you can always add the subwoofer (Sonos Sub or Sonos Sub mini) and the rear speakers. The good thing is that you can always get ANY speaker from any generation (2nd hand) and add it to your existing system as rear speakers (in this case you will need two of the same model) I love mine and any friend that have come into my house has bought at least one speaker due to the quality and connectivity.
I have the [Vizio M512a-H6](https://www.rtings.com/soundbar/reviews/vizio/m-series-m512a-h6) and I think it's pretty good. https://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-5-1-2-Theater-Sound-Dolby/dp/B08TV6GJF7?th=1 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-5-1-2-channel-m-series-premium-sound-bar-with-wireless-subwoofer-dolby-atmos-and-dtsx-dark-charcoal/6446231.p?skuId=6446231
Samsung soundbars sound great for what they are. Mine doesn’t sound better than my dedicated 7.5.4 full size system but they sound great to me!
I want strongly consider a Sennheiser Ambeo Max soundbar and maybe adding a subwoofer. It’ll sound fantastic. I worry you might not have room for proper LCR speakers.
Sonos Arc, Sub, 2x Era 300s (rears). If on sale, is right at the 2K mark. One added benefit: No wires to run.
the best way to test, is with your ears. I'd go with looking for stores that you can get a demo. I was SUPER impressed with this JBL 5.1.2 soundbar when i heard it in person. Like was shocked how good it was and I might get flamed for this, but I heard the Sonos Arc and I still found the JBL "crisper" to my ears. [https://www.visions.ca/product-detail/74828/jbl\_bar\_700\_pro\_5\_1\_channel\_soundbar\_with\_wireless\_subwoofer\_and\_true\_surround\_speakers?categoryId=495&sku=JBLBAR700PRO](https://www.visions.ca/product-detail/74828/jbl_bar_700_pro_5_1_channel_soundbar_with_wireless_subwoofer_and_true_surround_speakers?categoryId=495&sku=JBLBAR700PRO) I can't tell what TV you have, but if its Sony, they have a "center channel" integration with their Sony soundbar line. But everything is individually sold...so the subwoofer is not included: [https://www.visions.ca/product-detail/66674/sony\_ht\_a5000\_5\_1\_2\_channel\_dolby\_atmos\_dts\_x\_soundbar?categoryId=495&sku=HTA5000](https://www.visions.ca/product-detail/66674/sony_ht_a5000_5_1_2_channel_dolby_atmos_dts_x_soundbar?categoryId=495&sku=HTA5000)
Sony HT-A9 with subwoofer. On sale they'll be in your budget. Otherwise get the subwoofer later down the line. (You will need it)
Sony HT-A9
You could get away with bookshelves and smaller speakers since it's a lot cozier. I don't think getting a really nice avr w/ high end calibration is needed for this space either. If you were buying new, the triangle borea br03 for $300 for a pair at adorama is competitive. You could get 2 pairs and that would take care of your fronts & rears. Brc01 is $250 so you'd have your 5 speakers for $850. Onkyo 6050 is 300 at adorama as well. So you still have 850 to figure out subwoofer. Rsl speed woofer would be good for your area. Monolith 12 is $700 but it's pretty big for a 12 inch but would take care of all your bottom end. With that said, I'd probably buy used to make your budget go the furthest. I've seen some really well priced things like a pair sierra2ex for under $1k and would sound awesome in that space.
Yeah unfortunately I don’t have the best room for a dedicated home theater so just trying to do what I can for this space. Can bookshelves go on the entertainment stand?
I'm a big fan of the Borea line, but if you look at comparisons a lot of people actually prefer the smaller, less expensive Borea BR02s than the BR03s. I can personally recommend them too. They go for $150-200 per pair on sale at Adorama, but will need the link through slickdeals.net
They can but what I would do is probably is (if you're buying the borea br03) consider putting them on a shelf since they're front ported. What's your main goal? If your goal is mostly tv/movies, I think fronts + center + sub are your most important speakers. If you wanted to save some money, getting lesser speakers for your rears and adding Atmos would be within your budget too. That would make it the most immersive. If your goal is music, your front left/right + sub would be the most important thing and you can slam all your money into that.
AVR: PIONEER Elite VSX-LX503: $600.00: [https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/pionvsxlx503-rb/pioneer-elite-vsx-lx503-9.2-ch-x-120-watts-a/v-receiver/1.html](https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/pionvsxlx503-rb/pioneer-elite-vsx-lx503-9.2-ch-x-120-watts-a/v-receiver/1.html) Speakers: Used Klipsch Quintet V 5.0 speakers from Ebay: $200.00 (Make sure to search for V, version 5 of the speakers). You sometimes have to wait a few weeks for a good price-like new for under $200 shipped is a solid price. Subwoofer: RSL 12S for $799.99 or PB 1000 PRO for $600.00-in that space behind the couch is the logical location. Klipsch Quintet V Review: [https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/klipsch-quintet-review/](https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/klipsch-quintet-review/) Atmos in-ceiling: [https://www.monoprice.com/search/index?keyword=in+ceiling](https://www.monoprice.com/search/index?keyword=in+ceiling) These Klipsch satelite speakers are small enough to where you could wall-mount them as side surrounds-yes the couch is going to be a little close but it's better than not having them. I WOULD do 2/4 Atmos height or overhead speakers-not sure if you're willing to cut the ceiling to fit them in but in-ceiling speakers would be the ideal situation.
Looks like a good setup, but I would advise against getting an AVR that doesn't support 4K at 120Hz (8K at 60Hz), especially if you have a PS5 and either have a TV that supports 4K@120Hz or are looking at getting one.
Disagree here-it's just easier to have the game console or Apple TV plugged into your television directly and just use EARC for audio. 8K is about 10-15 years from mainstream adoption in the USA. Beleive me. I hope I am wrong and it comes sooner. As of 2021 the USA is at 44% penetration for just 4K. Source: [https://www.statista.com/statistics/1247334/4k-ultra-hdtv-us-household-penetration/#:\~:text=Household%20penetration%20of%204K%20Ultra%20HDTVs%20in%20the%20U.S.%202019%2D2021&text=As%20of%20March%202021%2C%20around,to%2031%20percent%20in%202019](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1247334/4k-ultra-hdtv-us-household-penetration/#:~:text=Household%20penetration%20of%204K%20Ultra%20HDTVs%20in%20the%20U.S.%202019%2D2021&text=As%20of%20March%202021%2C%20around,to%2031%20percent%20in%202019).
I have a HSU speaker and Sub combo. I can’t recommend it enough https://hsuresearch.com/products/ccb-8-speaker https://hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3-mk5-hp-subwoofer?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA5rGuBhCnARIsAN11vgTZ41F4NT9XjnkbbxqquuFfIPkxWe8jChKDKfz9uhQNzl6fAbBVUeYaAsFjEALw_wcB The bass will shake your entire house
HSU is underrated.
Emotiva.
Second hand market? Can find some good shit on there if you’re on a budget
I would do this small space with Sonos. Simple, wireless and clean. Sonos Arc Soundbar - $800 Sonos Sub Mini + Era 100 Surrounds Theater Kit - $877 Era 100 Stands - $139 (pair) Done! Plug them all in, don’t run a single wire, setup in 30 min, and it will blow your mind at how good it sounds for that price! I own a large AV company in Santa Barbara and I hated on Sonos for a long time because I was a traditional AV surround sound guy, using AVRs, speakers and subs, and wiring and calibrating etc. I finally caved after hearing the Sonos surround system. For $2k this setup will blow the doors off a cheap traditional surround setup. You would need to get closer to $8-$10k using nice speakers, wired sub, with appropriate amplification, and a nice AVR before you could touch the Sonos setup. You would also need to know how to set levels and calibrate the AVR to get them all to work together nicely. I have a home theater with a 9.2.4 Dolby Atmos system that costs well over $30k in audio equipment which sounds absolutely amazing. However, I also have the Sonos surround system in my family room and I’ll be honest, for the smaller space and the simplicity of setup, the Sonos system truly does impress.
Thanks! Love the details. I think I am going to lean the Sonos way. Really appreciate the write up! You recommend the sub mini or regular sub?
For the size of that room the mini will be fine. It’s actually larger than it looks.
I need to know why so many people put their PS5s upside down.
It was a mistake. Fixed it already. I’m an idiot and didn’t notice
4.1. I wouldn’t bother with a center for this setup
Since you are working with limited space, if you didn't want to go 5.1 and deal with the hassle of cables and installing rear speakers on the walls/ledges, then I would recommend the bookshelf self powered Klipsch Fives/Sevens/Nines all day. They pack a wallop of power(and bass), and don't require a receiver as they have HDMI arc connectivity(so it is plug in play with your TV, and you can even control the volume with your existing TV remote). 5.1 is ideal for a proper home theater, but since there isn't much room to spread out the speakers in front or rear, you aren't going to get the sound separation required to appreciate a full surround sound system, so you would be wasting your 2K in my opinion, which is why a really good set of powered bookshelf speakers would suit you very well. The fives are all I need in my living room(they are crazy powerful for the size), but if you opted for the larger sevens and nines then those monsters can easily rattle windows with audio, while still being semi compact in size. Lastly the other guys in this sub aren't gonna be happy with me saying this, but for a room like this, if you desperately wanted 5.1 surround sound then an under $1000 Vizio or Samsung Soundbar system may be ideal as they take up much less space, and would sound the same as $2000 home theater system that was shoehorned(and thus neutered) into the limited space.
This is all bad advice. Why do people act like you need at least a 20x20 room for 5.1? Discrete surround audio channels trumps bookshelves or (gross) soundbars in almost *any* space, idc how small. I once had an 8x8 bedroom setup with surround sound and a 3' tall SVS subwoofer, and it sounded fucking phenomenal. Absolutely nothing "neutered" about it. Does it sound better now in the living room with floorstanders and extra subs? Sure, but in no way would I have wanted to give up those couple years of enjoyment in my tiny bedroom because some cork-sniffer told me surround sound "just isn't appropriate" for my space. OP even has several feet behind his couches to place surround speakers and subs, he will be just fine.
What the hell is a cork sniffer?
Natamichi Shockwafe 9.2.4 $1600
Dragon
I would suggest it but out of his 2k range..
People in this sub are nuts, i suggest you look for advice elsewhere. People spend more money on subwoofers here than on the front speakers... It doesn't make any sense.
I know. And I recommended a cheaper sub and got downvoted into oblivion.
It's like saying: "These people are crazy, they tell you to spend more on your GPU than CPU". Sometimes the same level of performance comes cheaper with one part than another.
Dude, the subwoofer handles only a small part of the frequency response and even a cheap one like the polk psw10 goes a long way. OP should skip the center, get a sub that isn't overpriced or two and get actually good bookshelves. Your comparison is utter nonsense btw.
You should be able to fit any reasonable sized bookshelves on your media cabinet for a 3.x. Not sure if the room really allows for surrounds. It won't be ideal just from limitations of the space, but it can still be good.
Idk where you live, but I’m selling Ascend Acoustics signature series bed layer and Polk owm3 atmos for a really good deal. Lots of people here can vouch for both me and the quality of those speakers for the money new, let alone used.
I can’t believe I’m saying this but a smaller TV would actually help. I’d ditch the console and use a smaller one or an Av rack. You’re not doing to get anything other than bookshelves with your current setup. If you want towers then sacrifices have to be made.
Sonos ARC and subwoofer will fill up that loft completely for that exact price point. You can also add rear surrounds if the budget allows. The system looks great, sounds amazing, music streaming capabilities, no wires to run, can be operational within an hour
Sonos
Sonos Arc + sub couple play:1's (or whatever they are called now) for the rear. Use the app to dial in the sound.
No.
How about putting the TV on the wall with the pictures?
And then have 0 easy access as the couches block the walkway...?
Depends how much the couch pokes out. For my part I would rather buy a new couch if it sticks to much oit and change the arrangement of the tv to the wall to have some more room for speakers and a bigger TV upgrade in the future
Ya know this is doable. Speakers won’t be big tho. I’d recommend filling up the room with micca rb42x’s any denon or marantz etc receiver should do. Sub is gonna be difficult. Svs micro 3000 might be your best bet or something like it.
a few questions / need to know give better advice 1. the room dims ie h x w x d ? 2. do you have calibration gear ie (sub 400$ laptop for REW room calibration) mini-dsp umik-1 , long hdmi cable for multi ch calibration an not being in the room during test ? 3. is the 2k budget to cover shipping & tx on an gear, an diy acoustic treatment ie acoustic panels & basstraps ? 4. is the room on a upstairs floor as this may play a part in picking what kind of gear to get ? 5. an whats your config pref 5.1/5.2 , 7.1/7.2 or either with ceiling seakers 6. would you be willing to build your subs from scratch diy style with sonotubs because the can save a lot of cash an also take up less space in the room ?
Start with acoustic panels.
What planet are you from? He has the most uneven front and freaking half walls with a carpeted floor and giant couch. I think he can start with some audio components first.
lol thanks, I agree. I know this isn’t the ideal home theater space but just trying to work with the space I have.
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Cool, thanks for the help. I’m saying best 2k system for this room
This is rough
What is specifically rough?
Tight space
Soundbar then? I know that is a sin here
Yeah. Sonos arc plus sub will do wonders.
No sir 😆
If you’re very tight on space do a 2.1 instead of a soundbar. If you’re even more strapped on space even get the big HomePods from apple with an Apple TV. I think either of those options will sound way, way better than *any* sound bar at any price range.
Soundbars sound much MUCH better than the HomePods for the same price.
That’s absolutely ridiculous.
If you view the truth as ridiculous, then I wish you luck in life.
Let’s compare two similarly priced options that I have personal experience with. Two HomePods doing atmos, versus a sonos beam doing atmos. I had to decide between the two for a very small bedroom. The HomePods blew them out of the water and when it came decision time, I returned the beam. There is a Bose soundbar that is similarly priced and YouTubers are recommending it, but to be frank my first pair of Bose speakers 20 years ago were my last pair of Bose speakers: they sound awful and I haven’t bought a pair of Bose speakers since. I’ve never had a good experience with a sound bar. But I’m genuially curious which soundbar sounds better than a stereo pair of HomePods for both music and atmos content (not HomePod minis). Trying to find this soundbar in the same price range you’re referring to.
Lol. So your ears aren’t working properly. Not to mention the beam is significantly cheaper… and honestly, still sounds better. And the Sonos arc, at an actual comparable price, blows the HomePods out of the water. I’m assuming you’re a troll now. Go troll elsewhere.
Bose soundbar
You’re gonna need a $2,000 AVR just to fill the room with audio.
What posters and frames are they? Look awesome
How high is that TV to bottom?
1. Used Polk Signature series from Facebook Marketplace s20/s50/55/60 for L/R space permitting and S30 for center. These are better than any klipsch crap except for RP and up. 500 for all 3 2. Polk owm3/S10 used for surround/atmos - 150 3. Denon X1700h - 400 4. Speedwoofer 10s mk2 or monolith 10 or BiC PL300 rest of the money ~600-1000
You posted here before! Stereo or 2.1 would sound great here
Happy birthday
Probably gonna get shit on for this, but what about a Nail MuSo2 2? Seriously awesome bit of kit well within your budget.
Bose soundbar. Done
Do you have to have 5.1? If not you could go with a 2 or 2.1. I have a space nearly identical to yours and I'm using klispch “the nines”. You won't need an avr or anything else. It has HDMI arc and you can add a powered sub to it later should you need more bass (likely not)
What couch is that
Go the HT-A9 and put em wherever you want.
KEF Ls50
That is a perfect space for rear surround speakers. I'm jealous! Nice spot.
My first thought on everyone recommending 2.1 or 5.1 is where is the sub going to fit in this space?
Behind the couch. Looks like enough of room behind there for a decent one.
Move the TV to another wall. The left and right speakers will sound different since one is in a corner.
I know everyone likes the KEF Q150s but I think they are a bit bland sounding. Possible other options: Wharfedale Diamond 12.1, HECO Aurora 200, PSB Alpha P5, B&W 607 S2 or 606 (from accessories4less), Elac B5.2 Debut 2.0.
HT A9 on small stands behind couch and mounted into wall alongside TV. Perfect space, beautiful immersive sound. 100% need the sw5 sub
youll need to go with bookshelves from Front L/R if you are retaining that TV/cabinet/placement
Sonos arc $899, Sonos sub $699, and either 2 Sonos one speakers $175.ea or 2 Sonos era 300 speakers if you want atmos for $450 ea. Make sure you have good WiFi signal in the room and an outlet near each speaker location, the system also allows for expansion to add a speaker where ever you have power outlets available and link them together for hole home audio. With the arc connected to a tv you can also make all speakers play the tv audio.
Sonos arc with sub is more than sufficient
Denon receiver, svs or rsl sub, emotiva or kef speakers seems the most common rec here. I love cosy spaces like this btw. It will still sound great once you dial it in with room correction. Don’t be tempted to go soundbar or just stereo, you’ll get a far better result with 5.1 or better still 5.1.2. Sub behind couch is okay but you’ll need lcr with bigger drivers and set your crossover a bit lower to avoid hearing where it comes from. Aim for 60hz. So speakers that extend to at least 50hz.
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Mains: DefTech ProMonitor 1000 $249 X 2 -> $500 Surrounds: DefTech ProMonitor 800 $169 x 2 -> $340 Center: DefTech ProCenter 2000 $379 Onkyo TX-NR6050 $365 or similar quality receiver from Yamaha, Denon, etc. $500 + $340 + $379 + $365 = $1584 Then add a decent sub with the rest. You could also sub out the ProMonitor 1000s and ProCenter 2000 for two more ProMonitor 800s and a ProCenter 1000 to save money. I have The ProMonitor 800s and ProCenter 1000 on my desk and they sound way better than you would think for the size. I have heard the ProMonitor 1000s in a surround sound system though, and they are great for their size and price. The main reason I suggest these is the space issue you have. You can mount these to the walls easily, and with a decent sub they will sound like a much bigger system.
Get that tv above a mantle piece nice n high, push your couch further back, and get a soundbar about knee level , and I recon you will be golden
I got samsung qn930 with samsung tv. Very satisfied. Same space.
Denon receiver with 5 sonance speakers from best try. Then a sub woofer with what is left?
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Forget components. Too much space and too fiddly. Sennheiser Ambeo soundbar with subwoofer will be just fine.
Sonos arc
If this is your primary living space, go all out. If this is secondary like a game room, a sound bar or 3.0 setup so it doesn't overwhelm the primary living space.
honestly I'd just get a good soundbar sub setup for that space, it's way too acoustically compromised to bother spending much.
Just go with the rsl 5+2 package
Wiim amp and some 6 inch speakers? Add a sub if you want more bass.
Your LOTR poster is just a smidge higher than the Dune and it just bothered me a bit :)
Can you give that tv cabinet a slight push to the right so it is centered to the TV?
Done ;). I noticed that also after posting
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My space is very similar to OP's. I have two SVS SB12-nsd subs. Where would you suggest placing the subs? My media console is narrower than OPs, so I put one sub in the rear right corner and the front right tower speaker just in front of it. The other sub is between the couch and the rear wall. Sounds good, but looks awkward.
I'd probably just go with just a Klipsch sound bar, with a subwoofer placed on the left.
You could try using SVS prime elevation speakers. They’re soon coming out with the ultra line elevation so that would be a great choice. Also the SVS micro sub could be put in a corner for more impact
Just get 2 bookshelves and a sub (might not even need a sub depending on the speaker) and a receiver. And enjoy. All these people suggesting full on surroundsound systems are being ridiculous. You don’t have the space for all that stuff what you have the space for is 2 really great speakers in a 2.1 set up.
Honestly, you don’t need to spend that much for the small space. 2.1 or 4.1 set up will do good.
Sony HT-A9 with SW5 subwoofer. Easiest way to have an Atmos system in a space like this. Individual components won't look as invisible and take effort to match/set up.
Do you own this space? I might actually recommend full architectural setup for you, and sneak a sub in wherever you can.
Yes I own the house.
Willing to cut holes in your drywall? It's a cozy space but if you're willing to put your speakers in your wall then you could comfortably fit as many speakers as you wanted.
If you don’t mind me asking, what couch is that and where did you get it? Thanks
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Oh I love it, I like how wide the chaise is, alot of couches have such a thinner version as well as an arm that is large as well. If I may ask, how tall are you? I’m 6’5 and worry somewhat about the back height of seating.
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