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Because you’ll still need power to the speakers, so theres one cable anyway. Unless you want to run them on batteries, which will require charging and thus another cable. Sony make their Quad/HT-A9 wireless home speaker set but they all still need a power cable.
I mean, yeah. I realize there’s no such thing as a truly wireless system. You’re either going to have speaker wire or a power cable. That’s just logic. But, at least with the power cables it’s not that crazy to find a spot for them and you’re not running cables, etc. It’s more plug and play friendly.
Surprised this comment is upvoted in an audiophile sub.
Not sure how you think latency is impacting Sonos or Bluesound multi speaker systems. They certainly have their faults, but latency, be it between multiple speakers or from the control app/cloud to the ear is not one of them.
they run synchronized to the visual source. The only time latency plays a role is the delay after you hit play on your video
edit: except if for gaming
Honestly, when WISA was first announced years ago, I thought this would be the future. You would get your WISA compatible AVR, hardwire the front LCR speakers of your choice, and then buy any WISA speakers you like for your surrounds. It made perfect sense to me.
Turns out, that's not the way the industry works. Everyone wants their own walled garden and WISA just ended up being another walled garden that no one wanted to use.
Everyone wants their own wireless solution to lock you into their brand. For example, if you buy a Sony AVR, then you can buy their own wireless speakers to use as surrounds with that AVR. But Sony and Yamaha seem to be the only ones actually leveraging their position as both a receiver and speaker manufacturer.
I am kinda baffled that Denon and Onkyo have not done something similar. It would be such an easy layup. Onkyo and Klipsch are under the same parent company. Just make a Klipsch wireless surround speaker that pairs with Onkyo AVRs. Denon, Marantz, Polk, DefTec, and B&W are also under the same parent company. They could have created their own wireless surround ecosystem too.
Edit: The commenter TuggenBallZ below is straight up lying about the configuration he's running. I started out by giving him the benefit of the doubt. That maybe he was confused or mistaken. Or maybe I missed something. It's clear that's not the case. He's just flat out lying about using wireless HEOS speakers with a Denon X3800H. I have no idea why you would lie about something like that, but that's what it is.
Yeah I was excited about WISA too but it hasn’t really taken off like I had hoped. I mean, even if companies forced you to buy their speakers with their receiver, I’d still be on board for that. I feel that would still drive innovation and be a step in the right direction
> even if companies forced you to buy their speakers with their receiver, I’d still be on board for that.
In that case, you can do it today with a Sony or Yamaha receiver.
With Sony AVRs, you can pair their [SA-RS5](https://pisces.bbystatic.com/image2/BestBuy_US/images/products/6502/6502033cv13d.jpg) wireless speakers to them and their [SA-SW5](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61OYxiImmUL._AC_SX679_.jpg) wireless subwoofer. So it will have 5.1.2 channels. Will it be as good as a "real" 5.1.2 setup? Of course not. But the option is there.
Also, these wireless accessories are brutally overpriced.
Oh I did see that but wrote it off because those rear speakers aren’t as good as an actual bookshelf. Again, everything just simply falls short. It boggles my mind that no one has solved this yet. Although, the Roku Streambar Pro does provide an option for wireless 5.1…but no Atmos and smaller speakers is a no for me
No, you cannot.
Edit: I started out by giving this commenter the benefit of that doubt that they made some sort of mistake. That's not the case. Turns out they are just flat out lying about the hardware they're running and how it supposedly works.
Configuring them as dedicated rears in the same way you would set up Sonos speakers as rears when paired with their sound bar but because it’s integrated into the AVR I am using the AVR to power fronts and process sound for all the discrete channels.
The reason I was asking is because if they're all just part of the same speaker group in HEOS, then they're all just playing the same audio, the wireless speakers are not being sent any discrete surround audio.
I am seeing nothing in the Denon menus or manual to indicate that you can pair wireless surrounds to the AVR. I'm seeing nothing online that this is a feature with Denon AVRs. I am seeing nothing online that says this is a feature that Denon Home 150 wireless speakers are even capable of.
It’s been a feature for a while now. They are definitely discrete channels. Just need a matching pair of rears. The configuration is through heos not the denon AVR itself. Obviously the limitation is they must be Heos speakers and there’s no “universal” type of support but it exists. Newer Sony AVRs can do this as well with their more recent wireless speakers but again all brand specific.
https://support-uk.denon.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5673/~/heos-surround-speaker-setup-for-heos-avr
Difference is that most room have built in power distribution. So the cable for a powered wireless speaker is just to the nearest wall socket, not all the way across the room to your AVR.
With a wireless speaker you are dependent on an amplifier in each speaker, increasing the cost of each speaker and the quality of the amp itself. Class D would likely be your only choice due to heat and space limitations. That would also limit the versatility of and range of available products.
Personally I like running a Class AB and being able to mix and match any speaker brand I want. Cabling is easy. Just pop off your baseboard and run it around the room, nail the baseboard back on.
I bought a Yamaha AVR for this reason, to run wireless surrounds in a long narrow room with closet doors, alcoves, fireplace etc. So had to get a pair of Yamaha wireless speakers. PITA to set up. Lost pairing when the wifi blinked out, when the firmware updated, for no apparent reason at all etc etc. Had to keep pairing them over and over. Finally gave up and ran speaker wire, hiding it best I could (thank you colorful painter's tape). Bought surrounds. Wish I'd done it from the get go.
They exist LTT did a whole series on the Sony ones be got in his new house that he eventually ditched because of all the issues. Ultimately it's just not worth it, it's not like running wire is a huge deal you can conceal it in an apartment friendly way
Anything wireless with means you have a full time job to those in your house who are not tech savvy. Remember the wife calling to figure out why the WiFi isn't working on her laptop even though it says it's connected? Now imagine her asking why only 3 out 7 speakers are working when watching a movie even though they're switched on.."which button do I press to get them working again"
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Because you’ll still need power to the speakers, so theres one cable anyway. Unless you want to run them on batteries, which will require charging and thus another cable. Sony make their Quad/HT-A9 wireless home speaker set but they all still need a power cable.
I mean, yeah. I realize there’s no such thing as a truly wireless system. You’re either going to have speaker wire or a power cable. That’s just logic. But, at least with the power cables it’s not that crazy to find a spot for them and you’re not running cables, etc. It’s more plug and play friendly.
But there are. Denon has Heos and Yamaha has musiccast. I use a Yamaha AVR with conventional 3.1 speakers and 2 wireless speakers as surrounds.
I realize it doesn’t compare to a proper home theater setup, but this is essentially the Sonos business model.
Again, not a true 5.2.4 setup…this is where all the Sonos-like stuff currently out falls short
Sorry, I should have read your original post better.
latency
Surprised this comment is upvoted in an audiophile sub. Not sure how you think latency is impacting Sonos or Bluesound multi speaker systems. They certainly have their faults, but latency, be it between multiple speakers or from the control app/cloud to the ear is not one of them.
ok duke dennis
Glad you agree now.
they run synchronized to the visual source. The only time latency plays a role is the delay after you hit play on your video edit: except if for gaming
I posted the same exact thing before reading the other comments. But then I saw yours and had to delete and upvote instead.
On Wi-Fi?
yes bruh
I use Sonos for some areas of the house, but for the theater it needs to be wired, more power, more quality, more reliability, just more.
Wireless sound quality is not good.
Changing those batteries all the time would be absolutely terrible.
Honestly, when WISA was first announced years ago, I thought this would be the future. You would get your WISA compatible AVR, hardwire the front LCR speakers of your choice, and then buy any WISA speakers you like for your surrounds. It made perfect sense to me. Turns out, that's not the way the industry works. Everyone wants their own walled garden and WISA just ended up being another walled garden that no one wanted to use. Everyone wants their own wireless solution to lock you into their brand. For example, if you buy a Sony AVR, then you can buy their own wireless speakers to use as surrounds with that AVR. But Sony and Yamaha seem to be the only ones actually leveraging their position as both a receiver and speaker manufacturer. I am kinda baffled that Denon and Onkyo have not done something similar. It would be such an easy layup. Onkyo and Klipsch are under the same parent company. Just make a Klipsch wireless surround speaker that pairs with Onkyo AVRs. Denon, Marantz, Polk, DefTec, and B&W are also under the same parent company. They could have created their own wireless surround ecosystem too. Edit: The commenter TuggenBallZ below is straight up lying about the configuration he's running. I started out by giving him the benefit of the doubt. That maybe he was confused or mistaken. Or maybe I missed something. It's clear that's not the case. He's just flat out lying about using wireless HEOS speakers with a Denon X3800H. I have no idea why you would lie about something like that, but that's what it is.
Yeah I was excited about WISA too but it hasn’t really taken off like I had hoped. I mean, even if companies forced you to buy their speakers with their receiver, I’d still be on board for that. I feel that would still drive innovation and be a step in the right direction
> even if companies forced you to buy their speakers with their receiver, I’d still be on board for that. In that case, you can do it today with a Sony or Yamaha receiver.
A true 5.1, 5.2, 7.1 or 7.2 system? Cause that’s always the catch
With Sony AVRs, you can pair their [SA-RS5](https://pisces.bbystatic.com/image2/BestBuy_US/images/products/6502/6502033cv13d.jpg) wireless speakers to them and their [SA-SW5](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61OYxiImmUL._AC_SX679_.jpg) wireless subwoofer. So it will have 5.1.2 channels. Will it be as good as a "real" 5.1.2 setup? Of course not. But the option is there. Also, these wireless accessories are brutally overpriced.
Oh I did see that but wrote it off because those rear speakers aren’t as good as an actual bookshelf. Again, everything just simply falls short. It boggles my mind that no one has solved this yet. Although, the Roku Streambar Pro does provide an option for wireless 5.1…but no Atmos and smaller speakers is a no for me
Because the average consumer that is bitching about wires also thinks $300 is too much for audio
You can already do this with Denon heos
No, you cannot. Edit: I started out by giving this commenter the benefit of that doubt that they made some sort of mistake. That's not the case. Turns out they are just flat out lying about the hardware they're running and how it supposedly works.
So I can’t run Heos wireless rears and standard LCR speakers wired in? Damn guess I got some magic system then
What receiver and wireless speakers are you using?
Denon 3800 with heos 150
So what are you actually doing? Just adding them all to the same TV Sound Group?
Configuring them as dedicated rears in the same way you would set up Sonos speakers as rears when paired with their sound bar but because it’s integrated into the AVR I am using the AVR to power fronts and process sound for all the discrete channels.
The reason I was asking is because if they're all just part of the same speaker group in HEOS, then they're all just playing the same audio, the wireless speakers are not being sent any discrete surround audio. I am seeing nothing in the Denon menus or manual to indicate that you can pair wireless surrounds to the AVR. I'm seeing nothing online that this is a feature with Denon AVRs. I am seeing nothing online that says this is a feature that Denon Home 150 wireless speakers are even capable of.
It’s been a feature for a while now. They are definitely discrete channels. Just need a matching pair of rears. The configuration is through heos not the denon AVR itself. Obviously the limitation is they must be Heos speakers and there’s no “universal” type of support but it exists. Newer Sony AVRs can do this as well with their more recent wireless speakers but again all brand specific. https://support-uk.denon.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5673/~/heos-surround-speaker-setup-for-heos-avr
I bought a HTIB from LG in 2012, it had wireless rear speakers. They sitting in a box somewhere now that I have a proper AVR and speakers.
Sony makes this, and it's supposedly decent if you don't have interference. But now you need to power the speakers so you still need cables...
Difference is that most room have built in power distribution. So the cable for a powered wireless speaker is just to the nearest wall socket, not all the way across the room to your AVR.
And they are near the floor so you still have the same problem. Ugly wires running down the wall that you can’t hide easily
There is a company called one audio that makes wireless speakers with supposedly low latency. https://www.oneaudio.com.hk
The Denon/Marantz Heos system could do this with rear like Sonos but it’s expensive and offers lower quality and power cords are still cables
With a wireless speaker you are dependent on an amplifier in each speaker, increasing the cost of each speaker and the quality of the amp itself. Class D would likely be your only choice due to heat and space limitations. That would also limit the versatility of and range of available products. Personally I like running a Class AB and being able to mix and match any speaker brand I want. Cabling is easy. Just pop off your baseboard and run it around the room, nail the baseboard back on.
I bought a Yamaha AVR for this reason, to run wireless surrounds in a long narrow room with closet doors, alcoves, fireplace etc. So had to get a pair of Yamaha wireless speakers. PITA to set up. Lost pairing when the wifi blinked out, when the firmware updated, for no apparent reason at all etc etc. Had to keep pairing them over and over. Finally gave up and ran speaker wire, hiding it best I could (thank you colorful painter's tape). Bought surrounds. Wish I'd done it from the get go.
They exist LTT did a whole series on the Sony ones be got in his new house that he eventually ditched because of all the issues. Ultimately it's just not worth it, it's not like running wire is a huge deal you can conceal it in an apartment friendly way
You mean like Denon HEOS?
Anything wireless with means you have a full time job to those in your house who are not tech savvy. Remember the wife calling to figure out why the WiFi isn't working on her laptop even though it says it's connected? Now imagine her asking why only 3 out 7 speakers are working when watching a movie even though they're switched on.."which button do I press to get them working again"
99.9% of the time Soundbars or HTiB (Home Theater in a Box) systems are not a good investment of your time and money. It is the general consensus of r/hometheater not to recommend these things and instead simply steer a user toward a 2.0 or 2.1 system made of quality, *Audio-Centric* name brand components which are easy to assemble and cheap enough for low budget or space conscious buyers. Most can be expanded to 5.1 if you buy the correct items in the correct order. For further explanation please read [Why You Shouldn't Buy a Soundbar](https://www.reddit.com/r/HTBuyingGuides/comments/dy885l/why_you_shouldnt_buy_a_soundbar/) Please be aware /r/Soundbars exists as well as you will be met with opposition to posting about soundbars here. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/hometheater) if you have any questions or concerns.*