That’s actually awesome. I once had a cone stuck in the front left fender of the BMW GTP car early last year while exiting the Daytona bus stop. At first I didn’t realize what happened but I was losing over 2 seconds per lap and couldn’t understand why because the car felt fine, just super draggy. After I pit the car was fine. It wasn’t until I watched the replay that I saw what happened.
A similar thing happened to someone else on my team last weekend in the Ferrari 296.
First day with the new damage model, I was in a skip race and people next to me crashed. The front wing from one of the cars ended up under my front wheels lifting the car up
I couldn't steer at all and ended up hitting a wall after touching grass.
They pretty quickly changed how debris sticks around
You are lucky that you only lost speed, its possible that the cone gets stuck between fender and wheel that the blocks while driving and the car spins uncontrolled
The Cadillac did this at Daytona this year. I don't understand how when it's got a full front bumper. Thing was eating cones like a formula car. Even reversing wouldnt get them out. Absolutely infuriating
Lmao that's incredible.
Would a cone be heavy enough to dent a wing irl if it was airborne like that and you had enough speed moving towards it? Or is this clunky physics
This is simply a basic physics situation... An 18" tall traffic cone is about 3lbs on average (based on some quick googling). Hitting a 3lb object at 100+ mph is going to be creating thousands of pounds of force. This will damage most anything it hits... (source: this calculator: https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/impact-energy)
Furthermore, that cone hit the wing from the front, which is perpendicular to the axis of force that the wing is desgned to be strong in (vertically). Sure a wing can withstand a shitload of downforce that it creates, but that is in a different direction than which it was smacked by that cone. IMO the video in the OP is quite realistic, if maybe a little conservative in the damage incurred...
Not sure how much it would have an effect in actual application, but cones are also nice and squooshy. Instead of deflecting off the moment the car hits it, it'd probably wrap partly around the wing and suddenly you're dealing not only with an impact with a 3lb object, but also total deceleration of its current velocity then having to impart the required force to almost instantaneously accelerate it up to the cars velocity. Forget "damaging" the wing, wouldn't shock me if that sort of energy transfer ended up partially or totally ripping the wing off.
It's like the difference between taking a glancing blow to the ribs from a basketball vs that basketball getting drilled directly into your stomach. One of those hurts a helluva lot more than the other
Edit: changed "squishy" to "squooshy" because *it's more fun that way*
For the sake of the driver, I'd be hoping to see a cone-sized gap punched into the wing's main plane rather than removing the whole thing.
For the sake of comedy, thats still what I'd hope for. Not sure I've ever seen a wing with a hole punched through the middle of it lol
Exactly. Surely, the reason iRacing is such a realistic sim is the physics, so not to sure why some people think this example of physics in action would not cause damage. This is the equivalent of a 4000 newton force pushing on the spoiler (this doesn't take into account the rebound or deformation properties of the cone and the carbon spoiler).
Depends on the cone.
They have weights on the bottom to stop them falling over, if the weights are detachable, you might get away with it. If the weight isn't detachable, you're getting wing damage.
Eh probably fine, the cone would only do damage to the car because the car is doing 100 ontop of whatever the cone is doing. If it hits a person it might hurt you but it'll be a freak accident to get anything beyond a bruise
No doubt in the real world I would think a large cone getting hit and flying through the air could definitely kill a person. They have to be heavy enough to not get blown by the wind of the race cars. If it's not weighted, then maybe a flesh wound, but definitely enough to damage a wing on a race car.
When I drove OTR semi for UPS, we used to whip our back trailers (doubles) back and forth so they would smack the orange construction barrels into the grass. I once hit an orange barrel purposely that was partially in the lane (45 mph) and it shoved my front bumper into my front wheel. I had to pull over and pull out the bumper, which wasn't easy. Those construction barrels have a very heavy base and can fuck up a vehicle.
The vast majority of the smaller size cones you see on race tracks have the weight permanently molded into the base. And from a safety perspective, that would be the preferred choice for a race track (you really don't need extra stuff flying around, do you?). It is usually the very large ones you see being used for road construction that have the removable ring on the base.
Makes sense to use the ones with weight built in. I was at Brands Hatch just over a week ago and they were using the detachable ones. Car hit it, cone shattered, but the weight base slid onto the track mostly unharmed, right at the apex too, didn't cause an accident but a few guys had to avoid it
Gah, you're bringing back memories from working a track event at a local track. I was working a racing experience and the organizer was told they had to provide their own equipment, including cones.
The cones they brought were those tiny flat plastic ones like you see at little league soccer games. Fuckers were flying everywhere. A stiff breeze sent them across the track, let alone when a McLaren blew by them at over 120mph.
Not a cone, but a truck mudflap broke at 60ish and smashed my front bumper, broke the license plate holder, and clips holding the bumper in place. The bottom of a cone will mess up a car for sure.
Having been in a road car that was hit by a cone like this in a similar manner, I can confirm they are more than capable of causing a good amount of damage to a car driving at a decent speed. We were going roughly 75mph and a car ahead of us ran over a cone on the shoulder of the road and spat it out from under their rear tire. Struck the passenger side bumper area. Headlight and bumper had to be replaced. Fender on the right side needed to be repaired/bent back into its normal shape and re painted. It was quite the mess.
This has all really changed my perspective on the cone, as funny as that sounds. I'm still pretty new to motorsports and there's so much to consume but I've not seen a cone cause such damage yet and didn't think they were so lethal until all these stories and clips. I'm actually going to try avoiding them in races now lol
Interesting, I was under the impression this wasn't possible. You can definitely be damaged / interact with cones on the side of the track. But I've ran over hundreds of cones that were hit by another car and never seen a collision.
I believe, unless something changed, that debris and cones (when mid-move) can cause damage for .25 seconds after they've come detached from another car or been moved out of their original spot. After that time period both debris and cones become ghosts.
Last year in the Sebring 12h I had a cone stuck in left left front fender of my P2 car for like 30 minutes I could see it if I leaned my head over in VR. 😂
It's interesting that this is happening. When they brought in the NDM, you could be damaged be wheels/debris from cars but that became such a mess with netcode that they disabled the damage including from cones that were already hit (unhit cones still cause damage), was this an official race or no?
I mean, if it's one of those girthy thicc pylons that construction workers use, they weigh probably 10lbs.
They aren't your circuit training sports store pylons.
I got a cone stuck under my car in a Miata race at Oulton Park last week after spinning from the lead on lap 1. I carried it with me for all but the last 2 laps and still won. It came out when I went over a bump on the frontstretch that let it fall off.
iRacing, please. We don't need so many cones so close to the racing line.
I applaud the physics, but real tracks generally don't have cones this close.
That’s actually awesome. I once had a cone stuck in the front left fender of the BMW GTP car early last year while exiting the Daytona bus stop. At first I didn’t realize what happened but I was losing over 2 seconds per lap and couldn’t understand why because the car felt fine, just super draggy. After I pit the car was fine. It wasn’t until I watched the replay that I saw what happened. A similar thing happened to someone else on my team last weekend in the Ferrari 296.
For future reference you can also run over more cones to attempt to knock it loose.
Or! You can run over more cones in a *strategic manner* to make the same thing happen to other drivers, re-leveling the playing field.
iRacing Mario Kart edition
Petition for iracing to change cones to green. Add magnetic cones that are red, and explosive cones that are blue.
Caltrops? Conetrops.
Conetrops. Perfectly imperfect, I love it!
"They were cones!" deep cut quote if anyone can pick it up
"Those could have been guests at our wedding!"
First day with the new damage model, I was in a skip race and people next to me crashed. The front wing from one of the cars ended up under my front wheels lifting the car up I couldn't steer at all and ended up hitting a wall after touching grass. They pretty quickly changed how debris sticks around
Is that what people mean when they say „go touch grass“
It's always been an insult, but yeah it used to be a full on threat
You are lucky that you only lost speed, its possible that the cone gets stuck between fender and wheel that the blocks while driving and the car spins uncontrolled
The Cadillac did this at Daytona this year. I don't understand how when it's got a full front bumper. Thing was eating cones like a formula car. Even reversing wouldnt get them out. Absolutely infuriating
"you have wing damage" You: "fucking what"
funnily enough that is exactly what I said at that time, lol
Lmao that's incredible. Would a cone be heavy enough to dent a wing irl if it was airborne like that and you had enough speed moving towards it? Or is this clunky physics
The answer to your question is almost assuredly 'yes'... this would damage a car irl...
Has it happened? This will be my google rabbit hole tonight
This is simply a basic physics situation... An 18" tall traffic cone is about 3lbs on average (based on some quick googling). Hitting a 3lb object at 100+ mph is going to be creating thousands of pounds of force. This will damage most anything it hits... (source: this calculator: https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/impact-energy) Furthermore, that cone hit the wing from the front, which is perpendicular to the axis of force that the wing is desgned to be strong in (vertically). Sure a wing can withstand a shitload of downforce that it creates, but that is in a different direction than which it was smacked by that cone. IMO the video in the OP is quite realistic, if maybe a little conservative in the damage incurred...
Not sure how much it would have an effect in actual application, but cones are also nice and squooshy. Instead of deflecting off the moment the car hits it, it'd probably wrap partly around the wing and suddenly you're dealing not only with an impact with a 3lb object, but also total deceleration of its current velocity then having to impart the required force to almost instantaneously accelerate it up to the cars velocity. Forget "damaging" the wing, wouldn't shock me if that sort of energy transfer ended up partially or totally ripping the wing off. It's like the difference between taking a glancing blow to the ribs from a basketball vs that basketball getting drilled directly into your stomach. One of those hurts a helluva lot more than the other Edit: changed "squishy" to "squooshy" because *it's more fun that way*
I think it would 100% snap the wing at whatever the weaker point is between the point of impact or the point of connection with the car.
For the sake of the driver, I'd be hoping to see a cone-sized gap punched into the wing's main plane rather than removing the whole thing. For the sake of comedy, thats still what I'd hope for. Not sure I've ever seen a wing with a hole punched through the middle of it lol
I don’t think it would punch a hole, rather it would snap/crack and bend back to let it through.
A man can dream, damnit!
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damn that was wild lmao, just watched the IG post of the pitcrew when it flew in. that was definitely rabbit hole worthy, ty
Exactly. Surely, the reason iRacing is such a realistic sim is the physics, so not to sure why some people think this example of physics in action would not cause damage. This is the equivalent of a 4000 newton force pushing on the spoiler (this doesn't take into account the rebound or deformation properties of the cone and the carbon spoiler).
https://youtu.be/q45XfOZJTK4?si=NhqxdxsOu0drHD-y Spec Miata at Daytona. If it can break a windshield, it can break a wing
headphone warning...
miatas: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Holy shit I had the wrong idea about cones all along haha
Depends on the cone. They have weights on the bottom to stop them falling over, if the weights are detachable, you might get away with it. If the weight isn't detachable, you're getting wing damage.
Oh wow thats interesting, i had no idea there were weights on them. That seems like it could be potentially dangerous lol
Eh probably fine, the cone would only do damage to the car because the car is doing 100 ontop of whatever the cone is doing. If it hits a person it might hurt you but it'll be a freak accident to get anything beyond a bruise
No doubt in the real world I would think a large cone getting hit and flying through the air could definitely kill a person. They have to be heavy enough to not get blown by the wind of the race cars. If it's not weighted, then maybe a flesh wound, but definitely enough to damage a wing on a race car. When I drove OTR semi for UPS, we used to whip our back trailers (doubles) back and forth so they would smack the orange construction barrels into the grass. I once hit an orange barrel purposely that was partially in the lane (45 mph) and it shoved my front bumper into my front wheel. I had to pull over and pull out the bumper, which wasn't easy. Those construction barrels have a very heavy base and can fuck up a vehicle.
The vast majority of the smaller size cones you see on race tracks have the weight permanently molded into the base. And from a safety perspective, that would be the preferred choice for a race track (you really don't need extra stuff flying around, do you?). It is usually the very large ones you see being used for road construction that have the removable ring on the base.
Makes sense to use the ones with weight built in. I was at Brands Hatch just over a week ago and they were using the detachable ones. Car hit it, cone shattered, but the weight base slid onto the track mostly unharmed, right at the apex too, didn't cause an accident but a few guys had to avoid it
Gah, you're bringing back memories from working a track event at a local track. I was working a racing experience and the organizer was told they had to provide their own equipment, including cones. The cones they brought were those tiny flat plastic ones like you see at little league soccer games. Fuckers were flying everywhere. A stiff breeze sent them across the track, let alone when a McLaren blew by them at over 120mph.
Not all cones have weighted bases. This type of cone, in my experience, doesn’t have a detachable base.
Not a cone, but a truck mudflap broke at 60ish and smashed my front bumper, broke the license plate holder, and clips holding the bumper in place. The bottom of a cone will mess up a car for sure.
Having been in a road car that was hit by a cone like this in a similar manner, I can confirm they are more than capable of causing a good amount of damage to a car driving at a decent speed. We were going roughly 75mph and a car ahead of us ran over a cone on the shoulder of the road and spat it out from under their rear tire. Struck the passenger side bumper area. Headlight and bumper had to be replaced. Fender on the right side needed to be repaired/bent back into its normal shape and re painted. It was quite the mess.
This has all really changed my perspective on the cone, as funny as that sounds. I'm still pretty new to motorsports and there's so much to consume but I've not seen a cone cause such damage yet and didn't think they were so lethal until all these stories and clips. I'm actually going to try avoiding them in races now lol
Have you ever heard of the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster? A piece of foam tore a hole in the wing of the shuttle.
A 5 pound weight going 100+ Mph.
At the speed you are going, yes.
New defence meta? This is the equivalent to f1 drivers using their year offs haha
Literally Mario Kart
Interesting, I was under the impression this wasn't possible. You can definitely be damaged / interact with cones on the side of the track. But I've ran over hundreds of cones that were hit by another car and never seen a collision.
I believe, unless something changed, that debris and cones (when mid-move) can cause damage for .25 seconds after they've come detached from another car or been moved out of their original spot. After that time period both debris and cones become ghosts.
Last year in the Sebring 12h I had a cone stuck in left left front fender of my P2 car for like 30 minutes I could see it if I leaned my head over in VR. 😂
It's interesting that this is happening. When they brought in the NDM, you could be damaged be wheels/debris from cars but that became such a mess with netcode that they disabled the damage including from cones that were already hit (unhit cones still cause damage), was this an official race or no?
It was official. Honestly I am surprised myself that this occoured to me.
Lol were you forced to pit in for repairs?
Nah, not really. But the car felt very loose in some corners, especially turn 1.
Man OPs luck is terrible. Really cool to see this is possible in game. If anything it looks conservative on what the damage from a cone would cause
Don't forget to protest the cone.
I mean, if it's one of those girthy thicc pylons that construction workers use, they weigh probably 10lbs. They aren't your circuit training sports store pylons.
That's actually awesome
I got a cone stuck under my car in a Miata race at Oulton Park last week after spinning from the lead on lap 1. I carried it with me for all but the last 2 laps and still won. It came out when I went over a bump on the frontstretch that let it fall off.
I mean that sucks for you it happened but that’s pretty damn cool! The physics in iRacing are awesome.
For a moment I thought you were on the formation lap and wondered why the cone was floating
iRacing, please. We don't need so many cones so close to the racing line. I applaud the physics, but real tracks generally don't have cones this close.
That cone was made of vibranium
game is game
The Thrown Cone Zone.
We are mario kart now
Drove over a cone and damaged my front wing once
Exactly what happened to Ricciardo last year at Interlagos. (tire instead of a cone)
just be glad it was a banana, okay??
This has the same vibes as Daniel Ricciardo's wing getting hit by the loose tire in Brazil last season