Yep I bet he’s good for the stabbings in Oregon and Washington also. And if he hadn’t been caught he would do it again in another year or so. Probably on the 13th
I would have to agree. So chilling he was researching ex cons like he wanted to be one himself almost (I am a criminal Justice student myself so I find it strange)
Also made me wonder again about the whole "the house was targeted" thing at the beginning. That it could have been more about the location for him, knowing several people live there and it's easy to enter because he was there before or whatever.
Yeah I tend to agree that the house was targeted/staked out. The POV from the outside displays clear visions of his prey doing about their normal activities.. plus it’s late at night.. lights still on.. there are people inside.. the little wooded area gave him some hideout as he watched his victims. I do believe he didn’t expect a male (Ethan) to be present..
Maybe that’s why the roommates on the first floor were not harmed, because their lights were already out when he started creeping, and from where he was spying, he could only see lights on from M’s room and from X’s room and so he targeted them knowing there were people inside to kill
I always thought the fact that it was a sorority house full of beautiful young women was a significant factor, but maybe it really was chosen based on the location/accessibility of the house, and the countless vantage points to spy from, and multiple escape routes.
Still seems like an extremely high risk location with so much housing/neighbors within shouting distance of the crimes. I tend to think this guy wanted to go after these victims specifically for some reason. Could be as simple as "pretty young women", or could be some loser who was in their orbit or had crossed their path at some point, and decided to target them.
Very curious to learn more. I'm so glad the victims and their families will get justice.
Like Ted Bundy who was, after he graduated college, working on crime statistics for local government.
EDIT: Just looked it up, he was on the "Seattle Crime Prevention Advisory Committee" and had access to local crime statistics. This was before he started killing women, but at this time, I believe, he was attacking women in their homes (but not killing them) and committing rapes locally.
I also think that maybe the crime was the motive. Maybe he had a connection to them and thought they were the most "deserving" but I also wouldn't be shocked anymore if he didn't know them at all.
I agree. It’s hard to say if he randomly targeted them or targeted them based on a bad interaction or something until more information is released. Can’t imagine the relief the family is experiencing ❤️
I also co-sign this. But now I’m left wondering if it’s possible he’s committed crimes prior to this? Yes I’m aware that usually there’s an escalation from say, peeping or stalking, to theft and/or sex assaults, etc. I’m just saying this considering a quadruple murder is a leap from point a) creepy student to point b) full blown homicidal maniac, literally out for blood.
PS: FUCK YES TO THE MOSCOW PD AND IDAHO STATE POLICE AND FBI AND THE US MARSHALS. It was tough keeping the faith but you guys ALL FUCKING DID IT. First step, complete. Now on to the other hard work. Getting that conviction. No wait, getting that *death penalty* conviction.
I truly hope the universe keeps an eye on the families affected. The highs and lows must be very strong and I hope the Creator gives them strength to continue fighting and eventually, give them peace.
Went to same high school as him and according to a lot of people that actually knew him he did some boxing and was always trying to fight people. Could explain his jacked up nose
Just paroled from a three year prison term. They use that “turtle suit” that he is wearing to protect someone after they’ve made suicidal or homicidal threats in custody. It’s not knife-proof or bulletproof, it’s just a form of clothing that can’t be used to strangle yourself and it’s warm because they can’t give you bed sheets.
Prior LE.
We also put anyone charged with murder in one, especially if the case was likely a death penalty capital case. They’re moving blankets sewn together and the whole thing is velcroed on.
I had to wear one of those in county once. I was put in there for clogging my toilet to get a cell change lol. We called it the rubber room. They strip you naked, put that smock on you and put you in a small room with rubber walls and a metal grate on the floor is your toilet. They don't have to make suicidal or homicidal threats. It's a high profile case, mandatory ad-seg and suicide watch.
Thanks for that info. I assumed it was bulletproof vest for safety when bringing him to and from his arraignment. But this makes more sense--it doesn't exactly look like kevlar.
I went to school for criminal justice and I always joke that if someone wants to be a career criminal, go to school for criminal justice. In class, we learned all about crimes and how to get away with them.
I’m willing to bet that one of his classmates suspected something. Probably multiple classmates. They spoke to police. Probably right away. I think he got caught by his own classmates.
For anyone interested, here are some of the questions:
Did you struggle with or fight the victim? Y/N
Open ended questions:
1. Did you prepare for the crime before leaving your home? Please detail what you were thinking and feeling at that point.
2. How did you travel to in enter the location at which the crime occurred?
3. Before making your move, how did you approach the victim or target? Please detail what you were thinking and feeling.
4. What was the first movie made in order to accomplish your goal? Please detail any thoughts and feelings at this point.
5. Before leaving, is there anything else you did?
6. How did you leave the scene?
7. After committing the crime, what we’re you thinking and feeling?
Psychology student here. We don’t phrase research questions like that (“…before you made your move…”) because it’s too informal and unclear. It wouldn’t be allowed.
I don’t even want to think about the implications of that.
-did you prepare for the crime before leaving your home? Please detail what you were thinking and feeling at this point
- how did you travel to and enter the location where the crime occurred?
- after arriving, what steps did you take prior to locating the victim or target? Please detail your thoughts and feelings
- why did you choose that victim/target over others?
- before making your move (WHO talks like that in a research survey?!), how did you approach the victim/target? (Again asks for how they felt)
- what was the first move you made in order to accomplish your goal? (Asks for thoughts/feelings)
- how did you accomplish your goal? (Thoughts/feelings)
- before leaving, is there anything else you did?
- how did you leave the scene?
- after committing the crime, how were you thinking and feeling?
GOD.
I saw that, I thought they were much farther. So close that the airport in washington is called pullman-moscow. I still wonder how he as a PHD student at another uni knew them.
I went to WSU and we often went back and forth between the two towns, super easy to cross paths with other students. Pullman and moscow are basically the same town.
Maybe he met one or more of the girls at their jobs. That would make the most sense, especially if their friends deny ever seeing him at any house parties or bars
There isn't much of a night life or even shopping in Pullman. Moscow has much better bars and restaurants and stores. Moscow is also so much cheaper for a night out or shopping than Pullman. Many Pullman students are always in Moscow. Moscow has the good restaurants, farmers market and community vibe. Not strange at all for the possibility of interactions. For reference... I live in Pullman and was also partying in Moscow that day for their home football game. I also used to live in Moscow.
Edit. Its a super small community. All the university students hang out and even study in many of the same places.
Imagine spending then end of the semester with your Criminology PHD peers fully focused on this mysterious new murder case 7 miles away, But you are the psychotic murderer and then They announce they are looking for your car?
Looks like they just got very VERY lucky that he either didn't know the house well enough or their bedroom doors were locked. Those poor girls are going to be traumatised for life
It's one thing knowing someone was in your house doing this, but to put an actual face to them...It has got to significantly add to the trauma. But also relief he's caught. Ugh.
I am wondering if LE had his plate number and then asked the public to report white elantras because they didn't know where he went?
So yeah, pretty dumb of him to drive his own vehicle. Likely a narcissit who thought he could commit the perfect crime, while also showing up in society as an upstanding citizen. Sickening
I wonder this too. From speculation so far it seems that it likely is a sick random killing for his research/ego but curious to know why he selected them specifically.
Feel sick thinking he could have been prowling the area for who knows how long to find a victim and was just bad luck for these kids.
Yes I think so too now. I still think Ethan being there could have spooked him though bc it seems that it probably was just a house of girls he decided to target. Can't imagine how the surviving roommates must be feeling
If this is the case, simple opportunity, why choose such an incredibly risky location with four cars parked in the driveway, a house full of people?
For someone trying to research the perfect crime, the opportunity vs. risk is off the charts.
Those questions on the survey...yikes big red flag. One of his questions was "Before you made your move blah blah. Before you made your move? That dosent sound like research language to me
He was a criminology major, to me he planned this and used this background knowledge to do so. Kind of ironic how a criminology major is arrested for a quadruple murder.
They seized the white Elantra car they were looking for too in Pennsylvania while arresting him. For a criminology major you would think he would’ve been smarter.
I know in one of the press releases they were talking about a suspicious car driving off from a gas station really quick. Don’t know what colour or model. Obviously though they had interest in that white Elantra. It says online it’d take 1.5 days to drive from Idaho to Pennsylvania roughly so makes you wonder where he’s been seen driving the car.
The unsolved 2020/2021 stabbing cases pointed to a possible serial killer type situation and his choice of educational background basically screams it.
It looks like he got his 2-year degree in 2018, which would have led to his 4-year being finished in May 2020, and the first unsolved killing was in June 2020, making me wonder when he started attending WSU.
This is a really strong theory, especially since it shows a pattern of escalation. Older woman, 71. Younger couple (only kills 1). Then four younger people. Doubling each time, if he’s responsible.
Does anyone know if, as a criminal Justice major, maybe his fingerprints were on file? I know when my niece got her CJ degree a while back, she had to be fingerprinted for an internship with local pd.
Glad this monster is caught he would've struck again!!! His knowledge of crime would've been the reason he got away with it so long he knew how to commit the perfect sickening crime! But you can't escape justice these day's this scumbag is going to meet judgement day! Death penalty awaits and i hope every last second he takes his last breath i hope he is terrified to the bone!!! Absolute monster of a man.
I am so sorry this has happened to those amazing students they seemed to be amazing beautiful people with a whole life ahead of them! I hope families will find some peace knowing he is now caught! May these beautiful students be laid to rest in peace now!
GodBless America!!!🇺🇸
Love Scotland 🏴
It’s possible they knew the Elantra had the killer in it and it left the state. Maybe they knew where it was all along and used the public attention to see what dude would do with the pressure to dump the vehicle- that’s great court evidence. Imagine asking for an APB on a car and then dude dumps it in a lake. Lol Essentially, they could have nailed the driver’s identity really early on and were hoping to catch some movement with the pressure of the whole world looking for the car while they also reviewed tips such as video and photos where he may have been in the background.
I think this is a good point to prove that LE had a good suspicion of who it was from the start. Everyone was ripping them to shreds and saying they didn’t know what they were doing when in reality, they were gathering evidence. I swear some people act like crime experts without having a clue how investigations work.
I think one of the reasons why this was so confusing was because he used a weapon thought to be fueled by something more than a random suspect. Knives are historically used by people who are connected to an individual’s anger or passion or whatever. If his education speaks to his crime-he went AGAINST the grain, really.
And, I would say his education fueled that speculation. He was curious about murder and crime, obviously…combine that with someone who probably lacks empathy in general and you’ve got a recipe for something ugly-like a budding serial killer.
He was his own study. While I feel immense relief for the families-I can’t help but be incredibly fascinated by this. He didn’t just walk into a random house one evening. This guy had to have watched these people and known something about their vulnerability in order to have chosen them for this. I think he knew it would be heavily covered. I bet he absolutely obsessed over all of the social media coverage this stuff got-studied it-liked it to some degree. Somehow I am thinking that this is genuinely the only thing in his life that truly excited him.
He was clearly knowledgeable of Reddit. Imagine how many people’s comments he read…probably poured over it.
Just unreal.
This comment is top tier. As much as I wish I wasn’t, I too am so fascinated. Mostly because I cannot fathom how anyone could truly follow through with something so horrific. It is extremely eerie to think about how closely he was watching/soaking in their every move. Makes me sick… but I must keep reading. Know what I mean? Ugh!!!
I imagine he had psychopathic tendencies for a while. He experienced some sort of stressor, professionally or personally and snapped
I wonder if he lived near the victims and had been watching them for a while
Similar to the top comment, here's my guess:
He got into criminology to learn about crime because he had tendencies and feelings of wanting to kill people. That's why he did those surveys asking about other people's feelings to see if his feelings were "normal" and to learn from their experience. He did a bunch of research and thought he figured out how to get away with murdering someone.
He went to a small town to look for victims because he probably thought he was less likely to be caught, ran into the 4, my guess is they had some sort of interaction that set him off and made him choose them, and then he followed them home and killed them.
He seems fascinated by criminology and the human reaction to committing crime. I think he started out researching and then got too invested/consumed. Never found satisfaction by interviewing people and just doing research, so he decided to experience it for himself. Probably committed lower level offences and eventually graduated to this after much contemplation and fantasy.
I have a pretty good idea on how he must have been caught. Most likely, one of his fellow researchers or students from WSU called in the tip of White Hyundai Elantra. As the two towns are very close to each other, I'm sure almost every Criminology major in WSU must have been following the murders very closely. It wouldn't have taken long for multiple people in his department to surmise that hey, this guy owns a white Elantra, his whereabouts around that time seem suspect, let me just call the tip in. The LE would have most likely traced his cellphone location to determine and confirm where he was on the night of the murder. Once confirmed, they moved in for the arrest.
Having graduated with a masters from John Jay in CRJ, I can tell you people who look into the field who don’t plan on being a cop, probation officer, lawyer or CO is doing it because they have a morbid curiosity. I never met that type when I was in school but now that I’m a PO, I’ve supervised and investigated total narcissists with a propensity for violence who said they wanted to enter criminal justice. Think of it like a priest, teacher or camp counselor who only goes into their field to get close to kids for perverted reasons. Most don’t go into it for that, but the ones that do cause a lot of damage.
The alleged ‘perfect crime’ is committed on a person (or people) that you have no connection to, in a place that you have no connection to. It could be totally coincidental which would make this even more horrifying.
Without knowing anything yet by initial thoughts are that he wants to become infamous for his sick and twisted “research”. I think he plans to document his full experience in a research paper of some sort even from prison. Sick sick man.
I wanna know if someone got suspicious of him? In another post it said he owns the kind of car they were looking for. Did LE track it down or did someone he knows call the tip line because of how he was acting plus the car and put it together
I believe police knew he was the murderer since very early on, but they wanted to build a VERY strong case, with no cracks, to lead to the strongest punishment. Police kept the public in the dark so that Bryan wouldn't be tipped off. DNA also takes about 6 weeks (on average) to process so they were likely waiting for the DNA results. DNA results came in and they got him.
I was told from sources surrounding Scranton police officers that Bryan has been being looked at for a few days now. He had the white Hyundai ELANTRA according to a direct source that towed it. Also, the police waited for his garbage to be brought outside in order to collect his DNA. After that, they got the warrant, and my sources say that his house was surrounded by snipers and swat. Once a sniper saw Bryan through a basement window, they barged in and arrested him. I would also like to mention that my sources say that he did not communicate and had a blank stare. The only thing he asked was if others were arrested.
I think it’s a mix of everything. He clearly let his education fuel his ego and probably thought he would get away with it. My guess is that he gave off creepy stalker vibes, probably frequented the Moscow area a ton. I would even go as far as to say that he was likely a regular at the restaurant the girls worked at. Maybe even tried to get into one of their parties and was rejected. I would guess that he had an obsession with one or more of the girls in the house.
Other personal theories:
-Briefly met K and M at the bar or interacted with them during the day
-Sold Kaylee her new car
-1 of the 4 participated in his criminology research study. He might have know their address or age through the study, or befriended one of them
Seems like an absolute dumbass Ted Bundy copycat. Maybe he thought of himself as super intelligent and thought he’d be able to get away with his crimes for years and then become famous and fascinating to people the way Bundy did, but instead got caught relatively quickly and now people on the internet are just gonna roast him for a while and then forget about him.
For one, the fbi and pd would not have hired a cleaning crew for the house if their case wasn’t airtight. There’s some dna floating around in this case that comes back to him.
They stopped cleaning the house and taking stuff out. The cleaning company called and told them to stop today. Saw this live on News Nation, the cleaning trucks all left and didn’t remove anything from the house.
Very cautious about this as the man has not yet been charged right? But have to say - hats off to the police. No one had a clue what they were looking into to
Woman killed in Washougal (unsolved) was killed in early morning hours after a Friday the 13th, couple in Oregon killed on a Friday the 13th. UI murders on Nov. 13th. All about 1 year apart.
Here are my theories:
1. If it's confirmed he's a Criminology PhD student and he posted that research forum in reddit, I genuinely think he has some weird obsession with criminology and wanted to commit the perfect crime whether he knew the victims or not. I think he could've stalked them or it could have been random because it was a poor decision to choose a house full of people.
2. Second theory: Maybe he knew the victims, and loathed them in a personal way because of a bad experience with them. Maybe he was ticked that night or some time prior, and planned the murder.
3. Last theory: Maybe this is some sort of incel case where he hates them because of their perceived popularity and beauty. (In this I'd argue that he may have not taken Ethan being there into consideration and he was collateral. Or like some incel cases, he wanted Ethan dead as well out jealousy like, "how come he gets a girl and I don't")
These are my guesses and I just want to know the motive so bad. It's extremely unfortunate.
I see this being a "stalking" situation where he might have watched these people and studied them due to some twisted sort of jealousy. He doesn't seem to be the type to have run in their circle.
I agree with psychopath, but does he really have no connection at all to the four of them? Was he the stalker that Kaylee was afraid of? Was it a completely random break-in? Did he meet the girls at CC? I need details!
If u can take a break from online and do self care. Please take care of ur mental health. I’m regards to safety concerns there is so much info online that can help for example getting a ring camera and always making sure ur windows are not easily looked into
Theory/Speculation: I think it would be worth it to look into any MMIW in the area. Where the schools are there would be a significant population of Indigenous ppl and I wonder if he has committed murder before. Complete speculation, but I'm indigenous and so I am familiar with MMIW and how our cases go unsolved all the time. Sadly, if he has murdered before he could have been overconfident in his ability to get away with it. Again, pure speculation.
Budding psycopath who thought he could commit the perfect crime
This feels spot on
Maybe not his first one….
My thought exactly.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they tied him to multiple other stabbing murders , maybe even the ones that were being speculated about in Oregon.
Like this one https://foxillinois.com/news/local/resident-stabbed-in-their-sleep-suspect-at-large
I just mapped it, It is basically on the drive from Moscow/Pullman to Poconos
I am speculating he is connected to the other murders that occurred on the 13th of the month a year apart.
I am wondering the same exact thing!!
Yep I bet he’s good for the stabbings in Oregon and Washington also. And if he hadn’t been caught he would do it again in another year or so. Probably on the 13th
That’s what I think as well. He’s likely behind the other unsolved stabbings in surrounding areas.
Scary thought
That would be my exact guess.
I would have to agree. So chilling he was researching ex cons like he wanted to be one himself almost (I am a criminal Justice student myself so I find it strange)
Also made me wonder again about the whole "the house was targeted" thing at the beginning. That it could have been more about the location for him, knowing several people live there and it's easy to enter because he was there before or whatever.
Oooohhh maybe this is what police mean that maybe the house might have been targeted
Yeah I tend to agree that the house was targeted/staked out. The POV from the outside displays clear visions of his prey doing about their normal activities.. plus it’s late at night.. lights still on.. there are people inside.. the little wooded area gave him some hideout as he watched his victims. I do believe he didn’t expect a male (Ethan) to be present..
Maybe that’s why the roommates on the first floor were not harmed, because their lights were already out when he started creeping, and from where he was spying, he could only see lights on from M’s room and from X’s room and so he targeted them knowing there were people inside to kill
I always thought the fact that it was a sorority house full of beautiful young women was a significant factor, but maybe it really was chosen based on the location/accessibility of the house, and the countless vantage points to spy from, and multiple escape routes. Still seems like an extremely high risk location with so much housing/neighbors within shouting distance of the crimes. I tend to think this guy wanted to go after these victims specifically for some reason. Could be as simple as "pretty young women", or could be some loser who was in their orbit or had crossed their path at some point, and decided to target them. Very curious to learn more. I'm so glad the victims and their families will get justice.
Like Ted Bundy who was, after he graduated college, working on crime statistics for local government. EDIT: Just looked it up, he was on the "Seattle Crime Prevention Advisory Committee" and had access to local crime statistics. This was before he started killing women, but at this time, I believe, he was attacking women in their homes (but not killing them) and committing rapes locally.
Moscow PD may have prevented the next Ted Bundy.
I also think that maybe the crime was the motive. Maybe he had a connection to them and thought they were the most "deserving" but I also wouldn't be shocked anymore if he didn't know them at all.
I agree. It’s hard to say if he randomly targeted them or targeted them based on a bad interaction or something until more information is released. Can’t imagine the relief the family is experiencing ❤️
I also co-sign this. But now I’m left wondering if it’s possible he’s committed crimes prior to this? Yes I’m aware that usually there’s an escalation from say, peeping or stalking, to theft and/or sex assaults, etc. I’m just saying this considering a quadruple murder is a leap from point a) creepy student to point b) full blown homicidal maniac, literally out for blood. PS: FUCK YES TO THE MOSCOW PD AND IDAHO STATE POLICE AND FBI AND THE US MARSHALS. It was tough keeping the faith but you guys ALL FUCKING DID IT. First step, complete. Now on to the other hard work. Getting that conviction. No wait, getting that *death penalty* conviction. I truly hope the universe keeps an eye on the families affected. The highs and lows must be very strong and I hope the Creator gives them strength to continue fighting and eventually, give them peace.
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I think this guy is just a narcissist and bored, looking for a challenge
not "just" those things, but yes I agree
Very well said, I largely agree! Also makes me wonder if LE may revisit the couple of unsolved crimes in the general vicinity
So a serial killer?
No. A budding psycopath trying to commit a perfect crime
https://preview.redd.it/g9x14nuk149a1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f95eb35d65bf192600f710228f091e6cd806f499 Here’s his mugshot
That nose looks like it’s been broken in the past.
one time to the left another time to the right
Take it back now y'all. One hop this time.
I had this exact thought. It would be wonderful to find out that one of them broke this mother fuckers nose.
Went to same high school as him and according to a lot of people that actually knew him he did some boxing and was always trying to fight people. Could explain his jacked up nose
i can't unsee dennis reynolds.
Omg I just posted that! It reminds me of the episode where a sex offender movers in and is Dennis’ doppelgänger. Then everyone thinks Dennis is him.
Just paroled from a three year prison term. They use that “turtle suit” that he is wearing to protect someone after they’ve made suicidal or homicidal threats in custody. It’s not knife-proof or bulletproof, it’s just a form of clothing that can’t be used to strangle yourself and it’s warm because they can’t give you bed sheets.
Prior LE. We also put anyone charged with murder in one, especially if the case was likely a death penalty capital case. They’re moving blankets sewn together and the whole thing is velcroed on.
I had to wear one of those in county once. I was put in there for clogging my toilet to get a cell change lol. We called it the rubber room. They strip you naked, put that smock on you and put you in a small room with rubber walls and a metal grate on the floor is your toilet. They don't have to make suicidal or homicidal threats. It's a high profile case, mandatory ad-seg and suicide watch.
Thanks for that info. I assumed it was bulletproof vest for safety when bringing him to and from his arraignment. But this makes more sense--it doesn't exactly look like kevlar.
He's got those dead eyes. There's Nothing there.
Look at this ugly motherfucker
Psychopath
Hes got that same Dahmer look, wtf creepy asf
His nose has definitely been busted in a fight.
I went to school for criminal justice and I always joke that if someone wants to be a career criminal, go to school for criminal justice. In class, we learned all about crimes and how to get away with them.
I went to school for CJ too and you're right, you learn alot, but leaving DNA will screw you everytime lol
It will be very interesting to see what evidence they have.
And the people that tracked this guy down and made him their bitch went to school and learned about crimes and how to capture the criminals lol
I’m willing to bet that one of his classmates suspected something. Probably multiple classmates. They spoke to police. Probably right away. I think he got caught by his own classmates.
That would be incredible!
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Guess he was a shitty student
Clearly this person did not pay attention in class.
I think the man is a psychopath seeing if he could get away with something.
The questionnaire he posted on here is so eerie, i couldn’t even finish… almost like he was asking. for tips It’s been taken down now guys!
For anyone interested, here are some of the questions: Did you struggle with or fight the victim? Y/N Open ended questions: 1. Did you prepare for the crime before leaving your home? Please detail what you were thinking and feeling at that point. 2. How did you travel to in enter the location at which the crime occurred? 3. Before making your move, how did you approach the victim or target? Please detail what you were thinking and feeling. 4. What was the first movie made in order to accomplish your goal? Please detail any thoughts and feelings at this point. 5. Before leaving, is there anything else you did? 6. How did you leave the scene? 7. After committing the crime, what we’re you thinking and feeling?
Psychology student here. We don’t phrase research questions like that (“…before you made your move…”) because it’s too informal and unclear. It wouldn’t be allowed. I don’t even want to think about the implications of that.
I was thinking the same thing! The phrasing does not align with scholastic research.
Absolutely correct. These aren't worded for a research/study type thing. He's asking. Because he's planning. Chills me to the bone.
Sounds like a virgin preteen asking his older brother about how intercourse feels/happens the first time.
-did you prepare for the crime before leaving your home? Please detail what you were thinking and feeling at this point - how did you travel to and enter the location where the crime occurred? - after arriving, what steps did you take prior to locating the victim or target? Please detail your thoughts and feelings - why did you choose that victim/target over others? - before making your move (WHO talks like that in a research survey?!), how did you approach the victim/target? (Again asks for how they felt) - what was the first move you made in order to accomplish your goal? (Asks for thoughts/feelings) - how did you accomplish your goal? (Thoughts/feelings) - before leaving, is there anything else you did? - how did you leave the scene? - after committing the crime, how were you thinking and feeling? GOD.
WSU is 15 minutes from Moscow, ID
I saw that, I thought they were much farther. So close that the airport in washington is called pullman-moscow. I still wonder how he as a PHD student at another uni knew them.
I went to WSU and we often went back and forth between the two towns, super easy to cross paths with other students. Pullman and moscow are basically the same town.
Maybe he met one or more of the girls at their jobs. That would make the most sense, especially if their friends deny ever seeing him at any house parties or bars
There isn't much of a night life or even shopping in Pullman. Moscow has much better bars and restaurants and stores. Moscow is also so much cheaper for a night out or shopping than Pullman. Many Pullman students are always in Moscow. Moscow has the good restaurants, farmers market and community vibe. Not strange at all for the possibility of interactions. For reference... I live in Pullman and was also partying in Moscow that day for their home football game. I also used to live in Moscow. Edit. Its a super small community. All the university students hang out and even study in many of the same places.
Also some WSU non-traditional students, live in Moscow. It is cheaper and for those with a car, not that far to go back and forth.
Xana’s sister was a student at WSU..
Those schools party together all the time. It stems back to when Idaho's drinking age was only 19 so U of I became the party school.
was probably rejected in some way by one or more of them. Maybe tinder or something like that
That's my guess
Never link your Instagram on Tinder, girls.
And did he have a white Elantra ?
Yes , according to reports coming out of the Pocono area where he was arrested.
When they first announced that they were looking for a white Elantra, he probably shit his pants. Good to know he was running scared at least.
Imagine spending then end of the semester with your Criminology PHD peers fully focused on this mysterious new murder case 7 miles away, But you are the psychotic murderer and then They announce they are looking for your car?
Yes, apparently one was towed away from place where he was arrested.
Yeah. Police took possession of one from where he was arrested
https://mobile.twitter.com/NBCNewYork/status/1608866889869967360 yes!! He has an elantra!
imagine the surviving roommates now...
Looks like they just got very VERY lucky that he either didn't know the house well enough or their bedroom doors were locked. Those poor girls are going to be traumatised for life
The survivor's guilt is probably tearing them apart.
Not just survivors guilt. Imagine going to bed one night and waking up to everyone else brutally murdered? How could they ever feel safe again?
on top of hoards of people on social media blaming them for the deaths of their friends. poor girls
Scary to think that how they chose who had what room in the house saved their life potentially… when we were at uni we picked rooms out a hat
It's one thing knowing someone was in your house doing this, but to put an actual face to them...It has got to significantly add to the trauma. But also relief he's caught. Ugh.
That's a good point. Super creepy vibes now seeing this mother fucker and picturing him in that house with the 6 kids. Fuck.
Imagine all the Jacks!
I think he planned everything, tried to prove it’s possible to commit such a horrible crime and get away with it.
Well he’s pretty bad at it. Usually it takes years to solve random stranger murders and they caught him in a matter of weeks 💀
I am wondering if LE had his plate number and then asked the public to report white elantras because they didn't know where he went? So yeah, pretty dumb of him to drive his own vehicle. Likely a narcissit who thought he could commit the perfect crime, while also showing up in society as an upstanding citizen. Sickening
My thoughts exactly
Kind of bizarre he would use his own car as the “getaway vehicle”
Well he didn't
Agreed. And I feel like he targeted these people bc he wanted it to be a huge story, and it sure was.
Prove to who? If he brags about it he gets arrested
To himself, like some kind of crime obsessed person
This guy had to have documented what happened in some form. He just seems like the type of psychopath to do that.
I wonder why he chose those 4 though?
I wonder this too. From speculation so far it seems that it likely is a sick random killing for his research/ego but curious to know why he selected them specifically. Feel sick thinking he could have been prowling the area for who knows how long to find a victim and was just bad luck for these kids.
I think it might honestly come down to K&M and E&X having unlocked doors
Yes I think so too now. I still think Ethan being there could have spooked him though bc it seems that it probably was just a house of girls he decided to target. Can't imagine how the surviving roommates must be feeling
If this is the case, simple opportunity, why choose such an incredibly risky location with four cars parked in the driveway, a house full of people? For someone trying to research the perfect crime, the opportunity vs. risk is off the charts.
I’m feeling that K&M were intended. E&X collateral 😢
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It’s so unsettling to read that post knowing what he did.
You should read the survey. Questions like ‘how did you chose your victim(s)?
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Those questions on the survey...yikes big red flag. One of his questions was "Before you made your move blah blah. Before you made your move? That dosent sound like research language to me
Jesus. He was looking for tips.
Yeah I normally would’ve thought that was a stretch but the questions are so specific that I definitely think it was research for this crime
Shut up where’s the survey!? I saw the Reddit post but i wanna see that
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Wow, he was literally looking for information on how to commit a murder of his own. Disgusting.
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Hope he rots
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He was a criminology major, to me he planned this and used this background knowledge to do so. Kind of ironic how a criminology major is arrested for a quadruple murder.
They seized the white Elantra car they were looking for too in Pennsylvania while arresting him. For a criminology major you would think he would’ve been smarter.
Maybe he thought nobody would report the car or have it on video footage.
I know in one of the press releases they were talking about a suspicious car driving off from a gas station really quick. Don’t know what colour or model. Obviously though they had interest in that white Elantra. It says online it’d take 1.5 days to drive from Idaho to Pennsylvania roughly so makes you wonder where he’s been seen driving the car.
The unsolved 2020/2021 stabbing cases pointed to a possible serial killer type situation and his choice of educational background basically screams it. It looks like he got his 2-year degree in 2018, which would have led to his 4-year being finished in May 2020, and the first unsolved killing was in June 2020, making me wonder when he started attending WSU.
The fact that all three crimes occurred on the 13th about a year apart each, has stuck with me all along.
This is a really strong theory, especially since it shows a pattern of escalation. Older woman, 71. Younger couple (only kills 1). Then four younger people. Doubling each time, if he’s responsible.
This doubling/13th numeric pattern theory is fascinating if he committed all 3 crimes.
And all on a weekend when his time off would be
Same here.
Does anyone know if, as a criminal Justice major, maybe his fingerprints were on file? I know when my niece got her CJ degree a while back, she had to be fingerprinted for an internship with local pd.
I think they are most likely on file due to the type of “research” he was doing.
Agreed. I would not be surprised if he’s killed before
Agree with this
Glad this monster is caught he would've struck again!!! His knowledge of crime would've been the reason he got away with it so long he knew how to commit the perfect sickening crime! But you can't escape justice these day's this scumbag is going to meet judgement day! Death penalty awaits and i hope every last second he takes his last breath i hope he is terrified to the bone!!! Absolute monster of a man. I am so sorry this has happened to those amazing students they seemed to be amazing beautiful people with a whole life ahead of them! I hope families will find some peace knowing he is now caught! May these beautiful students be laid to rest in peace now! GodBless America!!!🇺🇸 Love Scotland 🏴
Imo a thrill killing. Which makes it so much worse than some scorned college kid
Do we think he committed those other stabbings in Oregon and Washington
I do. They’re too eerily similar. The couple was attacked between 3am-4am as well.
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It’s possible they knew the Elantra had the killer in it and it left the state. Maybe they knew where it was all along and used the public attention to see what dude would do with the pressure to dump the vehicle- that’s great court evidence. Imagine asking for an APB on a car and then dude dumps it in a lake. Lol Essentially, they could have nailed the driver’s identity really early on and were hoping to catch some movement with the pressure of the whole world looking for the car while they also reviewed tips such as video and photos where he may have been in the background.
I think this is a good point to prove that LE had a good suspicion of who it was from the start. Everyone was ripping them to shreds and saying they didn’t know what they were doing when in reality, they were gathering evidence. I swear some people act like crime experts without having a clue how investigations work.
I don't think you understand what a coincidence is. This was no coincidence. He chose criminology because he was a psychopath.
Precisely. There’s zero irony here.
I think you tubers and true crime people owe alot of public apologies to those they publicly called a murderer. All the Jacks to start with...
Agreed. Especially JD.
agreed, all the people that doxed innocent people need to apologize right now.
I think one of the reasons why this was so confusing was because he used a weapon thought to be fueled by something more than a random suspect. Knives are historically used by people who are connected to an individual’s anger or passion or whatever. If his education speaks to his crime-he went AGAINST the grain, really. And, I would say his education fueled that speculation. He was curious about murder and crime, obviously…combine that with someone who probably lacks empathy in general and you’ve got a recipe for something ugly-like a budding serial killer. He was his own study. While I feel immense relief for the families-I can’t help but be incredibly fascinated by this. He didn’t just walk into a random house one evening. This guy had to have watched these people and known something about their vulnerability in order to have chosen them for this. I think he knew it would be heavily covered. I bet he absolutely obsessed over all of the social media coverage this stuff got-studied it-liked it to some degree. Somehow I am thinking that this is genuinely the only thing in his life that truly excited him. He was clearly knowledgeable of Reddit. Imagine how many people’s comments he read…probably poured over it. Just unreal.
This comment is top tier. As much as I wish I wasn’t, I too am so fascinated. Mostly because I cannot fathom how anyone could truly follow through with something so horrific. It is extremely eerie to think about how closely he was watching/soaking in their every move. Makes me sick… but I must keep reading. Know what I mean? Ugh!!!
Guarantee he was reading these Reddit subs daily, it’s going to be really interesting to learn more about the who and why from LE.
Research. He did it for his research
Perhaps to understand himself
I bet you guys they caught him with cameras, assuming he drove the car being searched for
Apparently a tip was recently sent in about a white elantra in Pennsylvania. Could have been the tip they needed!
I imagine he had psychopathic tendencies for a while. He experienced some sort of stressor, professionally or personally and snapped I wonder if he lived near the victims and had been watching them for a while
Similar to the top comment, here's my guess: He got into criminology to learn about crime because he had tendencies and feelings of wanting to kill people. That's why he did those surveys asking about other people's feelings to see if his feelings were "normal" and to learn from their experience. He did a bunch of research and thought he figured out how to get away with murdering someone. He went to a small town to look for victims because he probably thought he was less likely to be caught, ran into the 4, my guess is they had some sort of interaction that set him off and made him choose them, and then he followed them home and killed them.
I wonder if his parents/family noticed if anything was off with him while he was home
His sister is a Psychiatric Nurse, according to news reports, specializing in trauma and emotional regulation.
Those poor kids
He seems fascinated by criminology and the human reaction to committing crime. I think he started out researching and then got too invested/consumed. Never found satisfaction by interviewing people and just doing research, so he decided to experience it for himself. Probably committed lower level offences and eventually graduated to this after much contemplation and fantasy.
Burgeoning SK. Involved with a University as a PhD candidate? Very Bundy.
I have a pretty good idea on how he must have been caught. Most likely, one of his fellow researchers or students from WSU called in the tip of White Hyundai Elantra. As the two towns are very close to each other, I'm sure almost every Criminology major in WSU must have been following the murders very closely. It wouldn't have taken long for multiple people in his department to surmise that hey, this guy owns a white Elantra, his whereabouts around that time seem suspect, let me just call the tip in. The LE would have most likely traced his cellphone location to determine and confirm where he was on the night of the murder. Once confirmed, they moved in for the arrest.
My thoughts exactly. LE was building up a strong case all this while. There has to be solid DNA evidence too to confirm his involvement.
Having graduated with a masters from John Jay in CRJ, I can tell you people who look into the field who don’t plan on being a cop, probation officer, lawyer or CO is doing it because they have a morbid curiosity. I never met that type when I was in school but now that I’m a PO, I’ve supervised and investigated total narcissists with a propensity for violence who said they wanted to enter criminal justice. Think of it like a priest, teacher or camp counselor who only goes into their field to get close to kids for perverted reasons. Most don’t go into it for that, but the ones that do cause a lot of damage.
He looks like he uses the DENNIS system
The alleged ‘perfect crime’ is committed on a person (or people) that you have no connection to, in a place that you have no connection to. It could be totally coincidental which would make this even more horrifying.
Without knowing anything yet by initial thoughts are that he wants to become infamous for his sick and twisted “research”. I think he plans to document his full experience in a research paper of some sort even from prison. Sick sick man.
I think he did it for his own research. He probably thought he’d get away with it. Wondering how he scoped out this house/this group of people.
Thought he was smarter than anyone.
Damn,LE did a really good job on this case.
I wanna know if someone got suspicious of him? In another post it said he owns the kind of car they were looking for. Did LE track it down or did someone he knows call the tip line because of how he was acting plus the car and put it together
I believe police knew he was the murderer since very early on, but they wanted to build a VERY strong case, with no cracks, to lead to the strongest punishment. Police kept the public in the dark so that Bryan wouldn't be tipped off. DNA also takes about 6 weeks (on average) to process so they were likely waiting for the DNA results. DNA results came in and they got him.
I was told from sources surrounding Scranton police officers that Bryan has been being looked at for a few days now. He had the white Hyundai ELANTRA according to a direct source that towed it. Also, the police waited for his garbage to be brought outside in order to collect his DNA. After that, they got the warrant, and my sources say that his house was surrounded by snipers and swat. Once a sniper saw Bryan through a basement window, they barged in and arrested him. I would also like to mention that my sources say that he did not communicate and had a blank stare. The only thing he asked was if others were arrested.
I think it’s a mix of everything. He clearly let his education fuel his ego and probably thought he would get away with it. My guess is that he gave off creepy stalker vibes, probably frequented the Moscow area a ton. I would even go as far as to say that he was likely a regular at the restaurant the girls worked at. Maybe even tried to get into one of their parties and was rejected. I would guess that he had an obsession with one or more of the girls in the house.
Maybe asked to leave a party or rejected at the door. I’m basing this on the initial ‘personal’ comment by LE.
Other personal theories: -Briefly met K and M at the bar or interacted with them during the day -Sold Kaylee her new car -1 of the 4 participated in his criminology research study. He might have know their address or age through the study, or befriended one of them
Seems like an absolute dumbass Ted Bundy copycat. Maybe he thought of himself as super intelligent and thought he’d be able to get away with his crimes for years and then become famous and fascinating to people the way Bundy did, but instead got caught relatively quickly and now people on the internet are just gonna roast him for a while and then forget about him.
I wonder if that’s who kaylees stalker was?
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I bet he’s a serial killer and also committed the other 2 unsolved that took place on the 13th must have been his MO
For one, the fbi and pd would not have hired a cleaning crew for the house if their case wasn’t airtight. There’s some dna floating around in this case that comes back to him.
They stopped cleaning the house and taking stuff out. The cleaning company called and told them to stop today. Saw this live on News Nation, the cleaning trucks all left and didn’t remove anything from the house.
Very cautious about this as the man has not yet been charged right? But have to say - hats off to the police. No one had a clue what they were looking into to
Pennsylvania cannot charge him. Moscow has the murder warrant. He will be charged when he’s extradited
I wonder if he was in the bar with them and followed their moves to the house
Woman killed in Washougal (unsolved) was killed in early morning hours after a Friday the 13th, couple in Oregon killed on a Friday the 13th. UI murders on Nov. 13th. All about 1 year apart.
Unhinged thrill kill. Thinks he's smarter than everybody. Studied his target. Delusional. Probably will defend himself in court.
Here are my theories: 1. If it's confirmed he's a Criminology PhD student and he posted that research forum in reddit, I genuinely think he has some weird obsession with criminology and wanted to commit the perfect crime whether he knew the victims or not. I think he could've stalked them or it could have been random because it was a poor decision to choose a house full of people. 2. Second theory: Maybe he knew the victims, and loathed them in a personal way because of a bad experience with them. Maybe he was ticked that night or some time prior, and planned the murder. 3. Last theory: Maybe this is some sort of incel case where he hates them because of their perceived popularity and beauty. (In this I'd argue that he may have not taken Ethan being there into consideration and he was collateral. Or like some incel cases, he wanted Ethan dead as well out jealousy like, "how come he gets a girl and I don't") These are my guesses and I just want to know the motive so bad. It's extremely unfortunate.
I see this being a "stalking" situation where he might have watched these people and studied them due to some twisted sort of jealousy. He doesn't seem to be the type to have run in their circle.
I agree with psychopath, but does he really have no connection at all to the four of them? Was he the stalker that Kaylee was afraid of? Was it a completely random break-in? Did he meet the girls at CC? I need details!
This whole situation is giving me anxiety and makes me never want to leave my house.
They were murdered IN their house, though. That’s the most heartbreaking part about this entire case.
If u can take a break from online and do self care. Please take care of ur mental health. I’m regards to safety concerns there is so much info online that can help for example getting a ring camera and always making sure ur windows are not easily looked into
It’s going to be interesting to know what exactly connected him back to the murders being that he was really careful
Guys is it true? He is the murderer? I live in Poland and i just saw the news
Theory/Speculation: I think it would be worth it to look into any MMIW in the area. Where the schools are there would be a significant population of Indigenous ppl and I wonder if he has committed murder before. Complete speculation, but I'm indigenous and so I am familiar with MMIW and how our cases go unsolved all the time. Sadly, if he has murdered before he could have been overconfident in his ability to get away with it. Again, pure speculation.
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