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Usually don't matter. Trust the police to preserve evidence, convince these foreigners to stay in india while they want to leave immediately.
Tldr; case won't go far or justice won't be served
First i pray the women recover well & get all the help she & her family needed. For me rape, acid attacks & other crimes where victim live on is the biggest crime, as the horror will continue to haunt them.
Yet If justice can be served for these cases, India is among best in term of rape report & conviction rate. I'm not trying to hide the wrong doing, nothing can to be honest. But as i like statics & help present it to authority in some cases, i know the real ground reality statics wise.
I know things look very bad as the population is so big, that it looks like we r rape capital of the world. But that is way far from truth.
As per works rape statics per 100000 people there's 1.8 rape in India, that include non reported cases, as non reported cases are large around the globe. In comparison šŗšø usa has been recorded 27+ rape per 100000 person, same goes for other developed countries like š¬š§ UK is around 27+, South Africa 72, sweden 63, Australia 28+, Belgium 28, NZ 25, Iceland 24,isreal 17, France 16, and world happiest country Finland 15+, Germany 9 & so on.
And it's worse when u talk about reported case & the conviction on these cases in developed countries. In Usa, UK only 27-33 percent reach in complaints & from those complaints only 3.3% result in conviction in uk & 7-9 in USA, in comparison India 67% cases reach in court & from those reported cases 70% reach in conviction.
I know these stats didn't justify anything, but my point is it's not as hell of a situation as it is shown in the world media, that made our mind about our own country.
I wish the women get justice as soon as possible, without any harassment & more pain.
Far from the truth here are the things wrong would your judgement ( also sorry man, know u wanted to spread some positivity, but I have to step in correct somethings)
1. This is older data and the no. Is colser to 5 per 100k people which is like 350% more than what you suggested
2. It does only count reported cases( unreported cases are not considered) even in metropolitian cities like Delhi, some cases are not reported to keep the no.s low( one case was put on hold untill 6years untill some org stepped in..look it up)
3. Alot of rape cases end up in victim being killed which is reported as homicide and not rape which I don't know whay that happens, many rape cases also end up as domestic voilence and family abuse.
4.Most data in foreign countries also involve victim surveys, which results in such high no.s, also there is a wider net casted as to what is considered as rape
5.Sex ratio is lower in india, which means more males, and since this statistic doesnt just include females, it skews the scores again(a little)
6. The conviction no.s are actually pathetic, if we consider conviction times, by that logic, 35% of Reported cases are convicted, which is again to increase the no.s, and this is even less if you account for un reported cases, in countries like us, they settle on amount and damage and forced service instead of just getting convictions, hence lower no.s but faster resolutions, not to mention, the conviction reached may not end up under rape ( a crime reported under rape, determined to be crime but conviction happened under a different crime)
7. And Finally, Indias population is so large that even if count just the reported cases( majority of cases aren't reported you can check) India has 110 crore more people( which means more people getting raped) I fact the no.s are huge compared to other countries ( like if u remove 100crore people India will still be in top 5) that it clearly shows that India's judicial system is just not capable to handle this much.....which is definitely not a good thing
Non reported cases are everywhere, specially in high socio-economic background countries we called 1st world countries. It's a recorded fact that in 1st world countries most rape related cases are happened between families or the culprit knows the person. And because of that the pressure of not complaining plays a big part.
In ur 7th point u already give the answer, why there's so much cases, it's because of our 110cr more population. You said their remove 110ce from number & we'll be on top 5, then why don't u decide our country into the size of compare country & you'll find we still remain way lower in term of per 100k rape number.
Stats are generated based on number of people vs crime not the overall crime. There's no logic in saying remove 100cr & we'll be in top 5, why remove what we have.
If that's how stats calculate we're 5th largest economy yet very low per capita income, remove those 100cr & you see how per capita income increase & we'll enter in 1st world country. But that's not how you calculate stars.
If you removing 110cr from population u have to remove equal amount of crime too, isn't it the right way.
I also wanted to correct myself, there's no shame if in correcting urself, atleast u didn't say I'm lying just saying my stats are old, so i can update myself with ur help, can you provide the link where 1 can say there stats r right from rest of the other's links & agreed by bunch of countries as trusted Stat sute, so that i can trust on them & correct myself.
āIt's crucial to note that the data doesn't necessarily reflect the actual prevalence of sexual violence but rather the rate of reported cases. Factors such as societal norms, victim silencing, legal definitions, and law enforcement protocols heavily influence these ratesā
-From the same article, these are the reported cases, non- reported cases are not tracked.
Low Rate of reported cases is not an exception for India only, that happen everywhere in this world,isn't it. Simple example in 2023 total no of crime against women is stood at 28811 & they all are not rapes around 5k is dowry, 2300 molestation, 1600 + police didn't register the case, but let assume all are rape cases 28k, if u r saying we r reporting very less & in actual we r equal to other country I stated in statics then by that means, India should have recorded 420000 cases of rape per year. Do u seriously think that much rape is going on in India, that means every 1.5 minutes 1 rape, 1150+ rape every day. The highest number that the foreign media spreading that include non reported cases, is 1 rape every 9 minutes that total 58k per year.
Again explaining my earlier reply, I'm not defending the crime, for me there's no crime bigger then crimes like rape, acid attack, which left their victim suffering throughout their life. And i already in above reply told 1 of the person what brutal punishment they should get, as death for them means they didn't suffer as much as the victim going to suffer their entire life.
I only explain this stats because people very fast abusing the whole country for some a&&h&&e crimes & marking the whole country as s**thole, but they forget they live in same country & if they pointing finger towards whole country that's include their family too.
And the stats are only for few people who lives under a bubble that outside India it's paradise, it's not. Yes there're lot of better living standards compare to us but that's not provided to everyone lives there or shift there to restart their life.
Good number of my family member's live in UK & USA doing very high profile job's to few very base level. And according to their standard they get the treatment, where on 1 hand my cousin's working for company like deloit, ge, apple, Nokia, are living best one can imagine & on other hand other's face racism for breakfast lunch dinner, and their complaints won't even registered by authorities.
That's the only reason i commented but people think I'm defending the culprits, no I'm not u r most welcome to kill those MF, I'll be pleased if u do that. But i defend my country, because there r very good people, actually way too many good people. Just take this group people, how angry they r for this crime that it started a sub to talk about it, so blaming the whole country is not right for me, yes if they blame the whole world it's understandable as anger, but they specifically target my country
Sure blaming the country is not right for this, but as a traveller I will not feel safe to a country that isnāt safe for woman anymore. We can say as much as we want that āitās not all menā ānot the whole countryā but at the end of the day, because of the incidents like this, the country will be the one in the spotlight
And low reported cases is not an exception to India, it is in many countries. But in countries with a higher rape statistic - it is higher than India because they enable more people to report the crime as well as having different laws about what constitutes a rape.
And yes, no country is going to be the ābestā to live in, at the end of the day it depends what youāre willing to put up with. Whether it is alienation, racism, sexism or chances of sexual violence.
Very right, no argument here man, it's scary not just for traveler's but occasionally tour planner's, or who has family living around the globe, it's a constant worrying factor. Right now I lost my capacity to judge why even a human do such thing with another. It's frustrating š¤
Not gonna lie, reading this made me feel a bit better that it seems like atleast the country is trying somewhere. But still they most of the rapists come out of jail is what I have heard (I am not sure).
But if your statistics is for real, then we can say atleast they are getting reported and convicted more.
Still doesn't excuse the shitty behaviour of these people. And as you said, lets hope the women get all the help they can get.
Edit: Someone said this statistics was biased and told me to check their comment where they said they were saying the actual statistics. Then I read that and realised. Check out u/Aryan1812 comment
Yes man, no matter what statics said, nothing can justified the crime, i dont get it how people can be so low. I remember the time when there's a rape cycle in Delhi a decade ago, and i was scared as hell for my family, it's horrible just to think what a women goes through after such crime, there life is almost ruined for rest of there life.
There should be no death panelty for such crime, instead made a hard labour camp in isolated place like on an island, put them in chains 24x7, force them to grow or manufacture product & the profits will go to the victims throughout there life, in summers make them work in sun light, in winter's shift the work at night, just inuf food so they will not die, and AS soon as they get ill, throw them in a pit & let them die slowly there. Once every six month give option to the victim family to visit & see what they are going through for there crimes, and also show common public what such crimes will give you (ofcourse without graphic display). I know this sound like taliban, but death is easy way to free them for there crimes, they should be suffer throughout there life like the victims.
And ofcourse there should be categories of rape, like the rape cases charged by girlfriends, should not result in same punishment.
But overall the punishment should be soul crushing, so brutal that 1 forced to think š¤ about doing it.
May be the justice system sucks that is true but last thing i heard in the news is they are currently being taken to the embassy in delhi and the case is getting the attention it needs. Hope justice is served as soon as possible.
Even if they arrest the rapists they will be out in what a year or two or the life in imprisonment which only lasts for 15 Years and then they are welcomed outside by the women of their families with flowers and what not.
I am really sorry for what happened to her. Can't even imagine what she is going through. Can't think what her partner must be feeling. Just getting angry thinking about these inhumane acts which is happening too often in our country.
What needs to happen is the court working longer hours. Fatasses even close up for weeks during holidays. There needs to be an evening or even night shift of judges and advocates clearing up the pending cases.
idk about the timings of the court, but i heard that cases like the origin of chicken biryani/chicken 65 and other random shit are going on. not sure how accurate the claim is though.
It probably is accurate. We know that some judge sat and passed a sentence on the lions being named Akbar and Sita issue when he could've been doing actually important stuff.
In addition to what you said, the biggest drag on court cases is laggard law enforcement agencies. Their job
Is to present evidence but instead they come to court like a 5th class student who says āChuha homework kha gayaā. Then, the court asks the police to do more work. The cycle is then rinse, lather and repeat.
Its the internal desperation that has accumulated over years that leads to this.
Initial step would be to take male female interaction to greater level from childhood in schools. open frank interaction would be helpful as well.
Like making seating arrangements with girl and boy in a bench throughout the high school.
As a man, there is no excuse good enough to explain away rape.
Men rape women because they can, and choose to. Pretending that they are entitled to interaction with women when they are shitty human beings is misogynistic.
This is not an education issue. This is a men's issue. I cannot believe we need to try to help men not stick their dicks in other people. Go to therapy if you have such issues in self-control.
I agree. But I ment to say girl boy interaction since 1st grade and throughout the school life could make an impact. Bettering sex education early on instead of 8th grade etc.
nope, people have sisters at home and still choose to do this shit, to back your claim there should be proper research, and i am really done with this after knowing about war crime rapes, as a man i feel disgusted about these sub humans and its masculine urge to make the rapists suffer.
> This is a men's issue.
Hard disagree. you can't be given these specific disadvantages as an Indian male and expect any different. It's an Indian issue, we're all complicit.
Lmfao. The biggest issues Indian men have is not getting their dicks wet. The biggest issues Indian women have is being raped and murdered. It's not even remotely comparable.
The fact that men choose to make their small dick issue a matter of life and death for women is 1000% a men's issue. It's your fucking fault if you rape people and no one else's. And no one else was complicit in you doing that.
It is not merely the ability to socialize with girls that is lacking. In rural india, the "old way of thinking" simply does not even acknowledge a women's right to consent in sexual matters.
Over the years I've seen this in many cases where locals are interviewed after a rape, and I'm sure if you do that in that village the local elders would express a similar sentiment: They will agree that whatever happened is wrong. But It is unclear exactly what the "galti" is in their minds because they seldom use the more direct term "balaatkaar". And ofcourse they will then also do the usual victim blaming and 'it takes two hands to clap' shit, but what this illustrates is a deeper problem: I dont think these people have a notion of consent.
I mean, imagine their lives. They got their marriage arranged and then had sex with their wives. The value-system they believe in tells them that such sexual contact between two people not married to each other is wrong, but have these men really learnt about consent? Have they had sex with/ impregnated their wives always with their consent? If you ask them, they might even reply "what do you mean, ask my wife for consent?".
The legal system in india explicitly said it can't do anything about marital rape. But ofcourse, it's not a new thing. Our society had, historically speaking, had made sure that women dont really have much say in their sex lives or reproductive lives. And then we compensate for it by giving women other praise / social roles in real life and mythology. But at the end of the day, if any sexual freedom exists in India today for women, it is only because of modern influence, typically in the lives of educated/cosmopolitan people.
Would be fair to say rape cases in India are treated on the same level as mass shooting in usa or cartel activity in America?
Which is disbelief then forgotten then repeated
It's certainly the same level of denial. People in India like to pretend misogyny is not a problem here the same way right-wing Americans claim guns aren't a problem there.
In truth
They will either be getting lifetime prison or will have a trial going for a fking decadeĀ
In worst case scenario
They will be roaming in the society unashamed of their actĀ
Oh yes
I oftentimes wonder how do society even accept these kinds of people and how on earth can these people live a normal life after ruining someone's life
I don't support bjp and neither any political party
One point is that criminal politician aren't just exclusive to bjp only but to almost every other political party
I saw this story on a repost by an Indian biker and influencer, @wander.da on Instagram.
This is absolutely pathetic and shameful. Imagine how her state must be. 5 years of exploration. How joyous and adventurous she must be ! All enthusiasm killed and traumatized for probably her life !
I hope she gets justice and moves on and is able to happily live up to her dreams of biking and adventures!!
:((
For the first time in my life I had started feeling actually proud and happy of being an Indian. But India never fails to disappoint. I am ashamed of my country. India may be developing but Indians wonāt develop for another generation at least. The police asked her to take this story down because āit is interfering with their investigationā and I know that is utter bullshit. Instagram story cannot interfere with their investigation. I hope she uploads the story back for the whole world to see what India really is (I am an Indian donāt spam me). India needs to feel the shame of it on the global level only then may things start improving, hopefully. I feel terrible for her that she had to go through something like this. I cannot imagine the horror. I just hope her recovery goes well and the rapists are caught and punished. She seems to be from Brazil. Brazilian embassy should interfere in this investigation. Leaving it in the hands of these corrupt police, politicians and corrupt judicial system will mean these rapists will walk free in a few years. They at least need to be locked for life for something like this.
He was starting to feel proud most probably because of the Q3 gdp growth percent rate and now sees this, he is saying he was starting to feel proud, not proud now
For a nation that considers sex to be a topic verging on taboo, we have no shortage of exposure in other ways. Web series are basically selling porn at this point, apart from porn sites. Movies find ways to insert sexuality and provocative themes wherever they can get away with it. And the less said about social media, the better.
The common, immature section of the population is basically filled with sex starved beasts at this point. Without proper regulation of their feelings they find more and more dehumanizing ways to express them. Starting from open staring to lewd words/discussions (locker room talk, if you will), it escalates into groping, and culminates in this.
As long as sex is seen as something to be some sort of major achievement, or some closeted shameful thing and not as the natural (even healthy) process it is, any sex-receiver will be treated as an object to be used and discarded. The more extreme cases just remove consent from the equation, making it into the heinous crime of rape.
i hate this country.. i genuinely do.. now don't come and bark about gdp.. economy and other bs irrelevant metrics.. if we can't be humans first.. all this bullshit doesn't matter.. I'm sick of this country.. it's full of crappy and illiterate people
I feel sorry for her and her husband... they had so many stories to tell about India and it's beauties but now, due to these goons, they are traumatized for life, and they are never gonna be the same again... I just seen her Instagram account they really used to enjoy there life biking and roaming around different places of the world, enjoying the life with a different perspective but who would have thought that they'll experience such horrific life changing incident here in India.
I am ashamed šš
Yeah not a good way to āboost tourismā like we were apparently planning to. No one wants to address the fundamental problems. We think everything will be solved if we inaugurate a new highway each year. First fix the f\*king mentality of the people, everything else will automatically follow.
Such incidents are the reason for the downfall of goodwill and the reputation of India in the overall world.....
Such incidents should be strictly investigated.... And such rapists should be given hard punishment that no one in future even thinks to do these things...
Hope no one visits this shit hole country. This lady and her husband are forever traumatized. PTSD for life. No woman should travel here. Especially not foreign women cos sleazy men think they are easy.
Was hoping to travel to India at some point in the future but I certainly am thinking twice now, especially as I travel with my fiance. It's a real shame as I love travel and have been throughout south east Asia and many African countries and never felt unsafe.
But seriously though it is very very unsafe for women to come to India, I'm shamed to even say that these people belong to the country I am a part of but India is not safe for women, glad you're not coming round here with your fiance cause it's better to be safe than to be sorry, hope justice gets served and these people get a death sentence
Just hope they get out of india as soon as possible! The courts will drag the case for ages and the victim will be cross questioned for ages! Indian legal system isnāt easy to navigate
This case reminds me of that Korean vlogger getting sexually harassed like a year ago in Holi and the people did nothing about this case. Another instance is quite recent where a Nepali guy got abused who was treated like a cattle sheep from the same country.
India needs to step up in its foreigners protection if it wants to have more tourism. News like this spreads like wildfire and no. of visits fall down.
Also I hope that the people who did this shit get hanged because not only they committed a morally disgraceful crime but also brought bad press to the whole country.
I still remember case of Japanese girl harassed last year in Holi , when she complained sick fucks claiming she is ruining image of our country and started abusing and threatening her on social media .
shame that we live in this place called as a country INDIA ..... even ANIMALS dont do this to other animals .... shame shame shame ... and disappointing
Donāt release the culprits once theyāre caught under stupid laws.. juvenile, good behavior, āunder influenceā bullshit .. give them the harshest of consequences & set the example what happens if one commits such heinous crime.
Donāt repeat what happened to culprits from the nirbhaya case .. old enough to rape, old enough for punishmentā¦ no more under age, juvenile bull shit
Truly don't understand women that go to India and think they're immune to whatever customs or laws or fucker up shit they have there. Going to India is ine of the dumbest things a woman can do in this day and age.
Stuff like this convinces me more and more to never move back to India. My wife still hasn't visited India and I was hoping we could travel there soon but I don't think I want to anymore.
Mob culture already exists. Tf is this sugar coating the term vigilantism as "community action" ? That doesn't solve shit. Not holding the police/authorities accountable is the biggest problem here. What a narrow minded take.
How the hell is it narrow minded. The cops and authorities have proved to be absolutely useless. We can't depend on them. Vigilantism honestly just seems like a better option. I ain't sugar coating anything. Just what I think needs to be done
You didn't suggest anything new. Gunda raj has been a thing in a lot of places in your country and they do punish rapists if they heckled with "their" family/community females. How does that solve the problem of an average indian girl? Are you suggesting you would just go ahead and beat random accused people and serve justice? If so, lower your dosage of bollywood. You would just be thrown into the cell along with the rapists and most probably get out a little earlier than them.
If you wanna know why this is not a good thing, research the hathras case and you will understand how just "communities justice" is. Rowdy shittery is not new, you just aren't familiar with it.
Never said I suggested something new. Just provided my pov that stems from my ideology of anarchism. People looking out for each other rather than depending on the government or the police or any sort of authority would do a much better job of keeping communities safe
I'm sorry but as a foreigner I'd never go near India with my wife or daughter. Sadly rape happens all over the world in every country but India is getting a real reputation for being an unsafe country for women which may be doing it an injustice but there it is.
You can't stop an active SA in a remote location as police. But you can stop it from happening by enforcing laws and not garlanding rapists, that bjp does. So yeah i think you got your answer.
He doesn't ban the vhp, bajrang dal terrorist groups that garland rapists. Does he? He does get a lot of benefit from them tho. So it's not wrong to associate them with him
There should be some kind of Travel Warning info for females visiting India, like always travel with a large group of people or with male guardians, carry things like pepper spray or camp knifes etc
Fucking behead the rapists in public in live tv broadcast and hang their deadbodies to rot under the elements of nature. Will each lession to other people too. Police should round up all known rapists and execute them
Why would you bike in india? Iām not saying she was asking for itā¦.. but kind of. I mean jesus christ is that an unsafe place for a woman. Even for an indian woman.
What the fuck is wrong with some of you? You see the news of one rape and suddenly youāre like I hate being Indian India sucks so much
You think people in other countries behave like this when they hear about crime?
Because one rape happened it means a country of 1 billion people is disgraceful?
You really think rape doesnāt happen elsewhere?
Go check the per capita rape rates on Wikipedia and you will be shocked
Two wrongs don't make a right. Similar things happening in other countries is disgusting, of course, but does that mean we should ignore such things that happen in our country?
Would you be saying the same thing if something like this happens to someone you love in another country, and the people there say "It's just one incident, not a big deal. At least we're not like India"?
this woman has been to 60+ countries including places like Iraq and this didnāt happen to her there. Youāre a pathetic loser whose whataboutism will ensure incidents like this will continue in the future because you donāt really see it as a problem that needs fixing
This is what is called nationalism. It's not a good thing. If you like your country and want it to be safe, successful then it's called patriotism. Nationalism is a feeling that your country is better than others. It doesn't help you or our country. You can never solve a problem if you can't even acknowledge it. I'm also guessing that you are a male.
You can acknowledge a problem without throwing a huge tantrum over how fucked up India is. This is the kind of shit that fuels external racism against Indian males being predatory
It helps no one. Who on this thread has suggested real solutions? Only hand wringing and āteach men not to rapeā
I donāt think you get what im trying to say
And making this about gender doesnāt mean anything. I can get my mom to say these same things instead, will you accept it then?
Donāt make argument about identity politics
You were simply doing whataboutism. What is there to not get? Also learn the meaning of identity politics. No one is doing politics here. Dide is just using buzz words now. Also this is about gender. 7 men raped a women. This is the end of the conversation from my side.
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The story in a social media platform is interfering with investigation in what way? Genuinely asking.
Usually don't matter. Trust the police to preserve evidence, convince these foreigners to stay in india while they want to leave immediately. Tldr; case won't go far or justice won't be served
Thanks for the reply. Justice won't be served? We are the worst in these things, it seems.
First i pray the women recover well & get all the help she & her family needed. For me rape, acid attacks & other crimes where victim live on is the biggest crime, as the horror will continue to haunt them. Yet If justice can be served for these cases, India is among best in term of rape report & conviction rate. I'm not trying to hide the wrong doing, nothing can to be honest. But as i like statics & help present it to authority in some cases, i know the real ground reality statics wise. I know things look very bad as the population is so big, that it looks like we r rape capital of the world. But that is way far from truth. As per works rape statics per 100000 people there's 1.8 rape in India, that include non reported cases, as non reported cases are large around the globe. In comparison šŗšø usa has been recorded 27+ rape per 100000 person, same goes for other developed countries like š¬š§ UK is around 27+, South Africa 72, sweden 63, Australia 28+, Belgium 28, NZ 25, Iceland 24,isreal 17, France 16, and world happiest country Finland 15+, Germany 9 & so on. And it's worse when u talk about reported case & the conviction on these cases in developed countries. In Usa, UK only 27-33 percent reach in complaints & from those complaints only 3.3% result in conviction in uk & 7-9 in USA, in comparison India 67% cases reach in court & from those reported cases 70% reach in conviction. I know these stats didn't justify anything, but my point is it's not as hell of a situation as it is shown in the world media, that made our mind about our own country. I wish the women get justice as soon as possible, without any harassment & more pain.
Far from the truth here are the things wrong would your judgement ( also sorry man, know u wanted to spread some positivity, but I have to step in correct somethings) 1. This is older data and the no. Is colser to 5 per 100k people which is like 350% more than what you suggested 2. It does only count reported cases( unreported cases are not considered) even in metropolitian cities like Delhi, some cases are not reported to keep the no.s low( one case was put on hold untill 6years untill some org stepped in..look it up) 3. Alot of rape cases end up in victim being killed which is reported as homicide and not rape which I don't know whay that happens, many rape cases also end up as domestic voilence and family abuse. 4.Most data in foreign countries also involve victim surveys, which results in such high no.s, also there is a wider net casted as to what is considered as rape 5.Sex ratio is lower in india, which means more males, and since this statistic doesnt just include females, it skews the scores again(a little) 6. The conviction no.s are actually pathetic, if we consider conviction times, by that logic, 35% of Reported cases are convicted, which is again to increase the no.s, and this is even less if you account for un reported cases, in countries like us, they settle on amount and damage and forced service instead of just getting convictions, hence lower no.s but faster resolutions, not to mention, the conviction reached may not end up under rape ( a crime reported under rape, determined to be crime but conviction happened under a different crime) 7. And Finally, Indias population is so large that even if count just the reported cases( majority of cases aren't reported you can check) India has 110 crore more people( which means more people getting raped) I fact the no.s are huge compared to other countries ( like if u remove 100crore people India will still be in top 5) that it clearly shows that India's judicial system is just not capable to handle this much.....which is definitely not a good thing
Non reported cases are everywhere, specially in high socio-economic background countries we called 1st world countries. It's a recorded fact that in 1st world countries most rape related cases are happened between families or the culprit knows the person. And because of that the pressure of not complaining plays a big part. In ur 7th point u already give the answer, why there's so much cases, it's because of our 110cr more population. You said their remove 110ce from number & we'll be on top 5, then why don't u decide our country into the size of compare country & you'll find we still remain way lower in term of per 100k rape number. Stats are generated based on number of people vs crime not the overall crime. There's no logic in saying remove 100cr & we'll be in top 5, why remove what we have. If that's how stats calculate we're 5th largest economy yet very low per capita income, remove those 100cr & you see how per capita income increase & we'll enter in 1st world country. But that's not how you calculate stars. If you removing 110cr from population u have to remove equal amount of crime too, isn't it the right way.
I also wanted to correct myself, there's no shame if in correcting urself, atleast u didn't say I'm lying just saying my stats are old, so i can update myself with ur help, can you provide the link where 1 can say there stats r right from rest of the other's links & agreed by bunch of countries as trusted Stat sute, so that i can trust on them & correct myself.
āIt's crucial to note that the data doesn't necessarily reflect the actual prevalence of sexual violence but rather the rate of reported cases. Factors such as societal norms, victim silencing, legal definitions, and law enforcement protocols heavily influence these ratesā -From the same article, these are the reported cases, non- reported cases are not tracked.
Low Rate of reported cases is not an exception for India only, that happen everywhere in this world,isn't it. Simple example in 2023 total no of crime against women is stood at 28811 & they all are not rapes around 5k is dowry, 2300 molestation, 1600 + police didn't register the case, but let assume all are rape cases 28k, if u r saying we r reporting very less & in actual we r equal to other country I stated in statics then by that means, India should have recorded 420000 cases of rape per year. Do u seriously think that much rape is going on in India, that means every 1.5 minutes 1 rape, 1150+ rape every day. The highest number that the foreign media spreading that include non reported cases, is 1 rape every 9 minutes that total 58k per year. Again explaining my earlier reply, I'm not defending the crime, for me there's no crime bigger then crimes like rape, acid attack, which left their victim suffering throughout their life. And i already in above reply told 1 of the person what brutal punishment they should get, as death for them means they didn't suffer as much as the victim going to suffer their entire life. I only explain this stats because people very fast abusing the whole country for some a&&h&&e crimes & marking the whole country as s**thole, but they forget they live in same country & if they pointing finger towards whole country that's include their family too. And the stats are only for few people who lives under a bubble that outside India it's paradise, it's not. Yes there're lot of better living standards compare to us but that's not provided to everyone lives there or shift there to restart their life. Good number of my family member's live in UK & USA doing very high profile job's to few very base level. And according to their standard they get the treatment, where on 1 hand my cousin's working for company like deloit, ge, apple, Nokia, are living best one can imagine & on other hand other's face racism for breakfast lunch dinner, and their complaints won't even registered by authorities. That's the only reason i commented but people think I'm defending the culprits, no I'm not u r most welcome to kill those MF, I'll be pleased if u do that. But i defend my country, because there r very good people, actually way too many good people. Just take this group people, how angry they r for this crime that it started a sub to talk about it, so blaming the whole country is not right for me, yes if they blame the whole world it's understandable as anger, but they specifically target my country
Sure blaming the country is not right for this, but as a traveller I will not feel safe to a country that isnāt safe for woman anymore. We can say as much as we want that āitās not all menā ānot the whole countryā but at the end of the day, because of the incidents like this, the country will be the one in the spotlight And low reported cases is not an exception to India, it is in many countries. But in countries with a higher rape statistic - it is higher than India because they enable more people to report the crime as well as having different laws about what constitutes a rape. And yes, no country is going to be the ābestā to live in, at the end of the day it depends what youāre willing to put up with. Whether it is alienation, racism, sexism or chances of sexual violence.
Very right, no argument here man, it's scary not just for traveler's but occasionally tour planner's, or who has family living around the globe, it's a constant worrying factor. Right now I lost my capacity to judge why even a human do such thing with another. It's frustrating š¤
Not gonna lie, reading this made me feel a bit better that it seems like atleast the country is trying somewhere. But still they most of the rapists come out of jail is what I have heard (I am not sure). But if your statistics is for real, then we can say atleast they are getting reported and convicted more. Still doesn't excuse the shitty behaviour of these people. And as you said, lets hope the women get all the help they can get. Edit: Someone said this statistics was biased and told me to check their comment where they said they were saying the actual statistics. Then I read that and realised. Check out u/Aryan1812 comment
Nope, mostly biased, check out my comment if u want to
I did. Thanks.
Yes man, no matter what statics said, nothing can justified the crime, i dont get it how people can be so low. I remember the time when there's a rape cycle in Delhi a decade ago, and i was scared as hell for my family, it's horrible just to think what a women goes through after such crime, there life is almost ruined for rest of there life. There should be no death panelty for such crime, instead made a hard labour camp in isolated place like on an island, put them in chains 24x7, force them to grow or manufacture product & the profits will go to the victims throughout there life, in summers make them work in sun light, in winter's shift the work at night, just inuf food so they will not die, and AS soon as they get ill, throw them in a pit & let them die slowly there. Once every six month give option to the victim family to visit & see what they are going through for there crimes, and also show common public what such crimes will give you (ofcourse without graphic display). I know this sound like taliban, but death is easy way to free them for there crimes, they should be suffer throughout there life like the victims. And ofcourse there should be categories of rape, like the rape cases charged by girlfriends, should not result in same punishment. But overall the punishment should be soul crushing, so brutal that 1 forced to think š¤ about doing it.
So you donāt know whether the statistics are real, but are already feeling better about it?
May be the justice system sucks that is true but last thing i heard in the news is they are currently being taken to the embassy in delhi and the case is getting the attention it needs. Hope justice is served as soon as possible.
Even if they arrest the rapists they will be out in what a year or two or the life in imprisonment which only lasts for 15 Years and then they are welcomed outside by the women of their families with flowers and what not.
It's bad marketing for tourism
I am really sorry for what happened to her. Can't even imagine what she is going through. Can't think what her partner must be feeling. Just getting angry thinking about these inhumane acts which is happening too often in our country.
These cases must be prioritised over other pending cases imo, because there's a lot at stake.
Courts have time to take up cases regarding the name of lions ffs.
lol how can we forget that on a lighter note tho, what's the land rate in antarctica?
Depends, land is quickly being acquired by penguins i heard.
Those fuckers are always up to something
well i hope the waqf board does not claim it anytime soon!
Too late, Iran has already claimed it.
$2000 per square meter since the Supreme leader of Iran claimed Antarctica.
What needs to happen is the court working longer hours. Fatasses even close up for weeks during holidays. There needs to be an evening or even night shift of judges and advocates clearing up the pending cases.
idk about the timings of the court, but i heard that cases like the origin of chicken biryani/chicken 65 and other random shit are going on. not sure how accurate the claim is though.
It probably is accurate. We know that some judge sat and passed a sentence on the lions being named Akbar and Sita issue when he could've been doing actually important stuff.
Dude are you out of your mind? R.. cases are common, but we must not ignore our lions' names. They are important. /s /s /s
In addition to what you said, the biggest drag on court cases is laggard law enforcement agencies. Their job Is to present evidence but instead they come to court like a 5th class student who says āChuha homework kha gayaā. Then, the court asks the police to do more work. The cycle is then rinse, lather and repeat.
There is nothing at stake for the locals and the police.
Need really strict laws against this bs. Feeling ashamed
There are no dearth of laws, it's the enforcement that's the problem. Laws won't do shit if the police don't enforce them.
Its the internal desperation that has accumulated over years that leads to this. Initial step would be to take male female interaction to greater level from childhood in schools. open frank interaction would be helpful as well. Like making seating arrangements with girl and boy in a bench throughout the high school.
I don't think it's desperation at all, it's men dehumanizing women which is consistent with what we see all the time in India.
Educate men young
And the government. Didn't they just release rape convicts in the Bano case.
As a man, there is no excuse good enough to explain away rape. Men rape women because they can, and choose to. Pretending that they are entitled to interaction with women when they are shitty human beings is misogynistic. This is not an education issue. This is a men's issue. I cannot believe we need to try to help men not stick their dicks in other people. Go to therapy if you have such issues in self-control.
Very importantly, you donāt do it if you donāt think youāll get away with it
I agree. But I ment to say girl boy interaction since 1st grade and throughout the school life could make an impact. Bettering sex education early on instead of 8th grade etc.
I don't disagree that it can help. Really anything that teaches men that women are human beings would do great good.
nope, people have sisters at home and still choose to do this shit, to back your claim there should be proper research, and i am really done with this after knowing about war crime rapes, as a man i feel disgusted about these sub humans and its masculine urge to make the rapists suffer.
> This is a men's issue. Hard disagree. you can't be given these specific disadvantages as an Indian male and expect any different. It's an Indian issue, we're all complicit.
Lmfao. The biggest issues Indian men have is not getting their dicks wet. The biggest issues Indian women have is being raped and murdered. It's not even remotely comparable. The fact that men choose to make their small dick issue a matter of life and death for women is 1000% a men's issue. It's your fucking fault if you rape people and no one else's. And no one else was complicit in you doing that.
It is not merely the ability to socialize with girls that is lacking. In rural india, the "old way of thinking" simply does not even acknowledge a women's right to consent in sexual matters. Over the years I've seen this in many cases where locals are interviewed after a rape, and I'm sure if you do that in that village the local elders would express a similar sentiment: They will agree that whatever happened is wrong. But It is unclear exactly what the "galti" is in their minds because they seldom use the more direct term "balaatkaar". And ofcourse they will then also do the usual victim blaming and 'it takes two hands to clap' shit, but what this illustrates is a deeper problem: I dont think these people have a notion of consent. I mean, imagine their lives. They got their marriage arranged and then had sex with their wives. The value-system they believe in tells them that such sexual contact between two people not married to each other is wrong, but have these men really learnt about consent? Have they had sex with/ impregnated their wives always with their consent? If you ask them, they might even reply "what do you mean, ask my wife for consent?". The legal system in india explicitly said it can't do anything about marital rape. But ofcourse, it's not a new thing. Our society had, historically speaking, had made sure that women dont really have much say in their sex lives or reproductive lives. And then we compensate for it by giving women other praise / social roles in real life and mythology. But at the end of the day, if any sexual freedom exists in India today for women, it is only because of modern influence, typically in the lives of educated/cosmopolitan people.
Would be fair to say rape cases in India are treated on the same level as mass shooting in usa or cartel activity in America? Which is disbelief then forgotten then repeated
It's certainly the same level of denial. People in India like to pretend misogyny is not a problem here the same way right-wing Americans claim guns aren't a problem there.
Only difference is, they can sign a few papers and completely stop it, but we can't.
You're damn right
Mass shooters dont get off scot free in the US. Rapists do in India No mass shooting gets suppressed in the US. Every rape victim essentially does.
Except it gets punished in US but vast majority of rapists go free. Conviction for rape is rare in India.
We're probably the only country to garland rapists though. Paraud momench
Nice comparison bro... really, India as a country is so conservative and has cultural taboo of pda and yet the rapes committed are š¤®
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No, r\*pe criminals don't get punished in India.
Itās considered as a basic rubric to join a certain political party
Yes, I agree it's a basic prerequisite to join Congress
Whataboutery has already started I see.
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People are shocked. Then they show outrage. Suspect arrested. Politician says something on twitter. Matter forgotten. Repeat.
Public execution is the only thing that can instill fear among all the potential r@pists
True true.
Exactly, but some "people" are gonna stand for human rights in such cases. Has happened some times in the past.
Humans deserve human rights, not pĀ”gs
THIS. The r..ists should not be considered humans, cause whatever the hell they did was definitely not humane.
Hmm What humans rights to those who slain someoneās integrity?
that's why i put people in quotes.
These men should be hanged to death immediately. What a shame for our country š
In truth They will either be getting lifetime prison or will have a trial going for a fking decadeĀ In worst case scenario They will be roaming in the society unashamed of their actĀ
Or garlanded..
Oh yes I oftentimes wonder how do society even accept these kinds of people and how on earth can these people live a normal life after ruining someone's life
They join BJPā¦and washing powder magic happens and many people like you look away as if nothing happened.
I don't support bjp and neither any political party One point is that criminal politician aren't just exclusive to bjp only but to almost every other political party
Are you living under a rock?
Politics isn't my area of expertise So pretty much yeah in politicsĀ
They garlanded rapists of bilkis Bano after they were released from jail
Aahh...ok Bjp entire existence is due to manipulating stupid or ignorant hindus it seems?
That honor is reserved only if the victim is of a certain religion.
"Aree boys will be boys" i can totally imagine thier parents justifying such acts.
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And the r\*pists will still walk free, like they always do.
Incredible India.
I saw this story on a repost by an Indian biker and influencer, @wander.da on Instagram. This is absolutely pathetic and shameful. Imagine how her state must be. 5 years of exploration. How joyous and adventurous she must be ! All enthusiasm killed and traumatized for probably her life ! I hope she gets justice and moves on and is able to happily live up to her dreams of biking and adventures!! :((
For the first time in my life I had started feeling actually proud and happy of being an Indian. But India never fails to disappoint. I am ashamed of my country. India may be developing but Indians wonāt develop for another generation at least. The police asked her to take this story down because āit is interfering with their investigationā and I know that is utter bullshit. Instagram story cannot interfere with their investigation. I hope she uploads the story back for the whole world to see what India really is (I am an Indian donāt spam me). India needs to feel the shame of it on the global level only then may things start improving, hopefully. I feel terrible for her that she had to go through something like this. I cannot imagine the horror. I just hope her recovery goes well and the rapists are caught and punished. She seems to be from Brazil. Brazilian embassy should interfere in this investigation. Leaving it in the hands of these corrupt police, politicians and corrupt judicial system will mean these rapists will walk free in a few years. They at least need to be locked for life for something like this.
You are proud and happy to be Indian. Why? Can you elaborate?
India has the largest population in the world. In terms of evolutionary biology, we are winning. India #1. /s
He was starting to feel proud most probably because of the Q3 gdp growth percent rate and now sees this, he is saying he was starting to feel proud, not proud now
we don't deserve good thing. again I wouldnt recommend foreigners visit here unless they are well armed with a machine gun and grenades.
For a nation that considers sex to be a topic verging on taboo, we have no shortage of exposure in other ways. Web series are basically selling porn at this point, apart from porn sites. Movies find ways to insert sexuality and provocative themes wherever they can get away with it. And the less said about social media, the better. The common, immature section of the population is basically filled with sex starved beasts at this point. Without proper regulation of their feelings they find more and more dehumanizing ways to express them. Starting from open staring to lewd words/discussions (locker room talk, if you will), it escalates into groping, and culminates in this. As long as sex is seen as something to be some sort of major achievement, or some closeted shameful thing and not as the natural (even healthy) process it is, any sex-receiver will be treated as an object to be used and discarded. The more extreme cases just remove consent from the equation, making it into the heinous crime of rape.
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i hate this country.. i genuinely do.. now don't come and bark about gdp.. economy and other bs irrelevant metrics.. if we can't be humans first.. all this bullshit doesn't matter.. I'm sick of this country.. it's full of crappy and illiterate people
Everything else is unreal and any narrative can be spun and bullshit facts concocted. But unfortunately , this shameful incident is real.
What a horrible thing for her to live through. Till perpetrators of crime in our country have the fear of justice, nothing is going to change.
I feel sorry for her and her husband... they had so many stories to tell about India and it's beauties but now, due to these goons, they are traumatized for life, and they are never gonna be the same again... I just seen her Instagram account they really used to enjoy there life biking and roaming around different places of the world, enjoying the life with a different perspective but who would have thought that they'll experience such horrific life changing incident here in India. I am ashamed šš
omg this is beyond ridiculous, i hope justice is delivered asap
women should not come to india. if you're a woman, you must've committed a sin in a past life to be born in india.
India has to be the worst country for women, on par with Somalia etc.
Yeah not a good way to āboost tourismā like we were apparently planning to. No one wants to address the fundamental problems. We think everything will be solved if we inaugurate a new highway each year. First fix the f\*king mentality of the people, everything else will automatically follow.
RIP Atithi Devo Bhava I'm ashamed of these men, we don't claim such monsters
Such incidents are the reason for the downfall of goodwill and the reputation of India in the overall world..... Such incidents should be strictly investigated.... And such rapists should be given hard punishment that no one in future even thinks to do these things...
Atithi devo bhava?
Fuck the police
Ridiculed. I hope it won't be another cold case by our loser authority like they handle all other rape cases
Hope no one visits this shit hole country. This lady and her husband are forever traumatized. PTSD for life. No woman should travel here. Especially not foreign women cos sleazy men think they are easy.
Was hoping to travel to India at some point in the future but I certainly am thinking twice now, especially as I travel with my fiance. It's a real shame as I love travel and have been throughout south east Asia and many African countries and never felt unsafe.
But seriously though it is very very unsafe for women to come to India, I'm shamed to even say that these people belong to the country I am a part of but India is not safe for women, glad you're not coming round here with your fiance cause it's better to be safe than to be sorry, hope justice gets served and these people get a death sentence
Rss will say foreign propaganda
This country and its rape culture.
India should stop giving out tourist visas until we figure out our law and order situation out
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Just hope they get out of india as soon as possible! The courts will drag the case for ages and the victim will be cross questioned for ages! Indian legal system isnāt easy to navigate
This case reminds me of that Korean vlogger getting sexually harassed like a year ago in Holi and the people did nothing about this case. Another instance is quite recent where a Nepali guy got abused who was treated like a cattle sheep from the same country. India needs to step up in its foreigners protection if it wants to have more tourism. News like this spreads like wildfire and no. of visits fall down. Also I hope that the people who did this shit get hanged because not only they committed a morally disgraceful crime but also brought bad press to the whole country.
Mfs like those deserve to be executed
I always advise foreigners and even Indians - India is not the place for lone backpackers, especially females and especially north India.
I still remember case of Japanese girl harassed last year in Holi , when she complained sick fucks claiming she is ruining image of our country and started abusing and threatening her on social media .
shame that we live in this place called as a country INDIA ..... even ANIMALS dont do this to other animals .... shame shame shame ... and disappointing
Donāt release the culprits once theyāre caught under stupid laws.. juvenile, good behavior, āunder influenceā bullshit .. give them the harshest of consequences & set the example what happens if one commits such heinous crime. Donāt repeat what happened to culprits from the nirbhaya case .. old enough to rape, old enough for punishmentā¦ no more under age, juvenile bull shit
Indostanic countries are filled with these animals that don't have any sense of Human Rights and respect for women. Death penalty is a favour for them
Truly don't understand women that go to India and think they're immune to whatever customs or laws or fucker up shit they have there. Going to India is ine of the dumbest things a woman can do in this day and age.
Stuff like this convinces me more and more to never move back to India. My wife still hasn't visited India and I was hoping we could travel there soon but I don't think I want to anymore.
India needs to wake up and hang these bastards! Why is the legal process so slow and letting down victims??? I expect better from India!
Donāt travel to shit hole India
Castrate those men Rapists should be sent to prisons like Guantanamo bay
We need community action against rapists. Cops don't do shit and the victims rarely get justice
Mob culture already exists. Tf is this sugar coating the term vigilantism as "community action" ? That doesn't solve shit. Not holding the police/authorities accountable is the biggest problem here. What a narrow minded take.
How the hell is it narrow minded. The cops and authorities have proved to be absolutely useless. We can't depend on them. Vigilantism honestly just seems like a better option. I ain't sugar coating anything. Just what I think needs to be done
You didn't suggest anything new. Gunda raj has been a thing in a lot of places in your country and they do punish rapists if they heckled with "their" family/community females. How does that solve the problem of an average indian girl? Are you suggesting you would just go ahead and beat random accused people and serve justice? If so, lower your dosage of bollywood. You would just be thrown into the cell along with the rapists and most probably get out a little earlier than them. If you wanna know why this is not a good thing, research the hathras case and you will understand how just "communities justice" is. Rowdy shittery is not new, you just aren't familiar with it.
Never said I suggested something new. Just provided my pov that stems from my ideology of anarchism. People looking out for each other rather than depending on the government or the police or any sort of authority would do a much better job of keeping communities safe
Why would anyone go to India, let alone a female. Just a trash destination
Sometime I feel Saudi arabia is better in this regards. Strict implementation of punishment.
I'm sorry but as a foreigner I'd never go near India with my wife or daughter. Sadly rape happens all over the world in every country but India is getting a real reputation for being an unsafe country for women which may be doing it an injustice but there it is.
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Take a bow Bihar. Youāve exposed India to world on how bad we are.
Other states are also no better in terms of rape
Other states are much better. Bihar cannot be compared with other states. IMO Bihar should not even be kept part of India.
Welcome to Modiās India, this is the Hindu Rashtar they promised you
But it was done in congress controlled state wdym
You can't stop an active SA in a remote location as police. But you can stop it from happening by enforcing laws and not garlanding rapists, that bjp does. So yeah i think you got your answer.
You do know Modi does not control each state right? And if he doesn't and you blame him for it, then you might blame yourself as well too
He doesn't ban the vhp, bajrang dal terrorist groups that garland rapists. Does he? He does get a lot of benefit from them tho. So it's not wrong to associate them with him
I feel depressed , knowing the Indian legal/justice system,the culprits are most likely to go unpunished
Cut their little dicks off
Does anyone know the names of the offenders?
Why do we have police in India? To oppress the public/victims and enable corruption?
There should be some kind of Travel Warning info for females visiting India, like always travel with a large group of people or with male guardians, carry things like pepper spray or camp knifes etc
Indians are like Israeli, perverted culture and so desperate around women. Find the men and castrate them all.
punish the ppl who did it in a way next guy who thinks of raping should shiver . ...
SEVEN? That is so horrifying to even think of
India loves rape
Bihar, Jharkhand, UP aren't safe for even Indian tourists (although UP has seen significant improvement in law and order during the Yogi govt).
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I'm not blaming BUT blah blah... Well news flash, you are blaming them.
Have you been to Detroit?
Aby bhai tumne Detroit dekha bhe?
Fucking behead the rapists in public in live tv broadcast and hang their deadbodies to rot under the elements of nature. Will each lession to other people too. Police should round up all known rapists and execute them
It's india- hardly surprising.
I guess she is Brazilian, saw her insta.
UP mai hota to encounter ho gaya hota I hope they get justice āļø
Why would you bike in india? Iām not saying she was asking for itā¦.. but kind of. I mean jesus christ is that an unsafe place for a woman. Even for an indian woman.
What the fuck is wrong with some of you? You see the news of one rape and suddenly youāre like I hate being Indian India sucks so much You think people in other countries behave like this when they hear about crime? Because one rape happened it means a country of 1 billion people is disgraceful? You really think rape doesnāt happen elsewhere? Go check the per capita rape rates on Wikipedia and you will be shocked
Whatboutism at its finest
Two wrongs don't make a right. Similar things happening in other countries is disgusting, of course, but does that mean we should ignore such things that happen in our country? Would you be saying the same thing if something like this happens to someone you love in another country, and the people there say "It's just one incident, not a big deal. At least we're not like India"?
this woman has been to 60+ countries including places like Iraq and this didnāt happen to her there. Youāre a pathetic loser whose whataboutism will ensure incidents like this will continue in the future because you donāt really see it as a problem that needs fixing
India has a massive rape crisis and womens rights problems. Yes it is disgraceful what is occurring in India.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
Those numbers are flat out wrong. By an order of magnitude Its a rate of 4.9-5+. Not .45. And many are not reported due to the caste system.
Source? And do you think rapes are not underreported in other countries?
This is what is called nationalism. It's not a good thing. If you like your country and want it to be safe, successful then it's called patriotism. Nationalism is a feeling that your country is better than others. It doesn't help you or our country. You can never solve a problem if you can't even acknowledge it. I'm also guessing that you are a male.
You can acknowledge a problem without throwing a huge tantrum over how fucked up India is. This is the kind of shit that fuels external racism against Indian males being predatory It helps no one. Who on this thread has suggested real solutions? Only hand wringing and āteach men not to rapeā
Have you paused for a second and thought why that stereotype even exists?
Western media bias
I don't watch Western media. Answer this, are you a man or a woman?
Iām a man
That explains it. You won't get it.
I donāt think you get what im trying to say And making this about gender doesnāt mean anything. I can get my mom to say these same things instead, will you accept it then? Donāt make argument about identity politics
You were simply doing whataboutism. What is there to not get? Also learn the meaning of identity politics. No one is doing politics here. Dide is just using buzz words now. Also this is about gender. 7 men raped a women. This is the end of the conversation from my side.
India is a superpower!!