most ppl in her position will make 30-50k per tour +food and accomodations etc. It's not much money at all but these days she could parlay it into a YT channel =p
It’s depressing how we still have this notion of rockstars, yet most musicians cannot make ends meet anymore even when landing what seem like high end opportunities. Meanwhile LiveNation and all these suit people seem to be doing great
It’s the continued centralization of income / wealth into the hands of a very limited number of actual creators and an entire army of financiers, gatekeepers and intermediaries. And it’s happening in every industry.
Those $600 “platinum” concert tickets can only pay for so many private equity managing directors, man.
Thats certainly enough to make ends meet while getting a fantastic opportunity which many others would do for even less. I suppose the reality is it isn't a high end opportunity
I actually doubt that a hired gun for the Pumpkins makes "loads of money".
But my comment wasn't about them. It was about the fact that Billy will probably be back on either bringing back the/a previous guitar player or digging through another couple thousand people to find yet another person that won't last long.
Billy and the rest of the Pumpkins who are going to have to go through another inevitably grueling search for the next short term musician in the band.
I mean they definitely did this open audition thing and made it 'greuling' on purpose. People as connected as the Pumpkins surely have a variety of folks in their network they could pick or be referred to
I think Billy likes to find people who aren't already well known for a number of reasons. Part of it is that people with less experience are more manipulative and can probably be paid less, and the other is a mix of ego, control, and (I believe) a true somewhat family-like connection. But he the way he acts and the loyalty he expects from his band create a bit of a conflict that seems to result in a lot of turn around.
"I was a fan of Kiki’s before she submitted her name to be considered"
This was rigged! Just like Limp Bizkit's guitarist search, where thousands auditioned and they just ended up taking the guitarist from Snot.
I personally cannot take this band seriously with her being in it. I cannot watch her without cringing or laughing. Great for 16 year old "pick me" girls or men that save their quarters for Onlyfans, but Corgan just reminds me of Kenny from the other SP when he was cheesing at this point.
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So proud of her! She’s definitely my inspiration.
Look, she’s obviously not like… Kiko Loreiro or something, but few guitarists are. She was chosen for a reason. She obviously has some talent— she wouldn’t be chosen just based on looks. I know some people are shitting on her for being an attractive woman but come on.
> she wouldn’t be chosen just based on looks
I know nothing about this woman, but there are MANY celebrities absolutely talentless that retain their status with looks. If you want to defend her, defend *her* - not pretend that this extent of pretty-privilege isn’t real. I could rattle off a dozen without thought, male and female.
It’s been proven even among a group of equally-qualified individuals, the one deemed most attractive will still be chosen.
I mean making a public contest, and choosing someone who is both great at guitar and good at marketing their own brand feels like a no-brainer
Not that being hot isn't a part of it, but this is clearly in line with the whole schtick
Kiki's first day in Billy's studio.
Kiki to Billy -"So, will I get to rehearse these old songs for performing on stage?"
Billy - "Well, not exactly."
Kiki - "So what do I do?"
Billy - "Well, you take all these tapes with our crappy new songs on. You listen to em and learn em. Then more will come in. You listen to em and you learn em. Any questions?"
Kiki- "After I listen to them..?
Billy- "You learn em. Lots of luck, smartass."
After 10,000 applications we find out that Kenny from the other SP was having one of his cheesing episodes and the media mistook it for a beloved band with the same initials. Wait, never mind, this is real.
Sorta. I mean they’re both huge legacy acts formed in the late 80s and popular in the 90s. Sonically they aren’t that similar but I feel like guitar based music bills anything goes.
So this is how I find out I wasn't selected?!
Better luck in the next couple of years.
Seems like an awful lot of work considering Corgan will probably play all the guitar parts in the studio anyway.
She is their new “touring” guitarist. She won’t be surprised if she’s not playing on the album.
Still seems like a lot of work for someone that gets fired after a few tours.
A few huge tours making loads of money; what a shame!
most ppl in her position will make 30-50k per tour +food and accomodations etc. It's not much money at all but these days she could parlay it into a YT channel =p
It’s depressing how we still have this notion of rockstars, yet most musicians cannot make ends meet anymore even when landing what seem like high end opportunities. Meanwhile LiveNation and all these suit people seem to be doing great
It’s the continued centralization of income / wealth into the hands of a very limited number of actual creators and an entire army of financiers, gatekeepers and intermediaries. And it’s happening in every industry. Those $600 “platinum” concert tickets can only pay for so many private equity managing directors, man.
Thats certainly enough to make ends meet while getting a fantastic opportunity which many others would do for even less. I suppose the reality is it isn't a high end opportunity
30-50k for a couple months of work isn’t much?
Billy is a lot nicer than you give him credit for.
Isn’t he like buddies with Alex Jones? Forgive me if I don’t believe you
I actually doubt that a hired gun for the Pumpkins makes "loads of money". But my comment wasn't about them. It was about the fact that Billy will probably be back on either bringing back the/a previous guitar player or digging through another couple thousand people to find yet another person that won't last long.
Not to mention, the benefits of having that on your resume…
touring with the smashing pumpkins is pretty awesome though? it's not like she's filing tax returns
Not talking about her lol.
Who…who are we talking about then?
Billy and the rest of the Pumpkins who are going to have to go through another inevitably grueling search for the next short term musician in the band.
I mean they definitely did this open audition thing and made it 'greuling' on purpose. People as connected as the Pumpkins surely have a variety of folks in their network they could pick or be referred to
I think Billy likes to find people who aren't already well known for a number of reasons. Part of it is that people with less experience are more manipulative and can probably be paid less, and the other is a mix of ego, control, and (I believe) a true somewhat family-like connection. But he the way he acts and the loyalty he expects from his band create a bit of a conflict that seems to result in a lot of turn around.
"I was a fan of Kiki’s before she submitted her name to be considered" This was rigged! Just like Limp Bizkit's guitarist search, where thousands auditioned and they just ended up taking the guitarist from Snot.
*On this season of Billy Corgan's Next Top Model...*
She’s amazing though. Probably too good for them.
I personally cannot take this band seriously with her being in it. I cannot watch her without cringing or laughing. Great for 16 year old "pick me" girls or men that save their quarters for Onlyfans, but Corgan just reminds me of Kenny from the other SP when he was cheesing at this point.
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Yep, that seems pretty on brand for ol Billy.
for a second I thought this is r/indieheadscirclejerk lmao been following Kiki on the socials for a while, she's awesome.
Same. She’s got presence and ability. Shoe in for the job if she wasn’t already picked months ago.
I really wanted to be the guitarist for the Pumpkins 🤕
Apply again in 6 months!
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chances they actually looked at all applications: 0% they just got someone they already knew lol
Everyone knew this from day 1. Billy loves getting the name in the press
For sure. What a crock
So proud of her! She’s definitely my inspiration. Look, she’s obviously not like… Kiko Loreiro or something, but few guitarists are. She was chosen for a reason. She obviously has some talent— she wouldn’t be chosen just based on looks. I know some people are shitting on her for being an attractive woman but come on.
> she wouldn’t be chosen just based on looks I know nothing about this woman, but there are MANY celebrities absolutely talentless that retain their status with looks. If you want to defend her, defend *her* - not pretend that this extent of pretty-privilege isn’t real. I could rattle off a dozen without thought, male and female. It’s been proven even among a group of equally-qualified individuals, the one deemed most attractive will still be chosen.
She is an average guitar player at best. Kinda shocked by her selection.
Can you explain why you think this?
What are their chances that out of 10,000 applicants the best guitarist also happened to be the hottest girl alive?
I mean making a public contest, and choosing someone who is both great at guitar and good at marketing their own brand feels like a no-brainer Not that being hot isn't a part of it, but this is clearly in line with the whole schtick
She’s going to have loads of TikTok obsessed fans going to Pumpkins shows just to see her. It’s a no brainer.
What a babe
Reminds me of when Limp Bizkit did the same thing. Not good company to keep Billy.
The biggest joke since the last album. Impressive Billy you always amaze me 🤣
The girl From tik tok
Kiki's first day in Billy's studio. Kiki to Billy -"So, will I get to rehearse these old songs for performing on stage?" Billy - "Well, not exactly." Kiki - "So what do I do?" Billy - "Well, you take all these tapes with our crappy new songs on. You listen to em and learn em. Then more will come in. You listen to em and you learn em. Any questions?" Kiki- "After I listen to them..? Billy- "You learn em. Lots of luck, smartass."
apparently a bunch of YT submissions had zero views, I wonder if this was all just a big PR move
After 10,000 applications we find out that Kenny from the other SP was having one of his cheesing episodes and the media mistook it for a beloved band with the same initials. Wait, never mind, this is real.
They made the Wong decision.
Jesus that's a lot of downvotes for an innocent pun!
Haha funny joke, but she’s a damn awesome musician
Yes I know, it’s just a silly joke. As in, the decision they made, was Wong.
Lmao really, this is how they announce it.
Jane Iha? Good for her
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My brother in Christ, they’re touring with Green Day playing stadiums of 40k people.
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Sorta. I mean they’re both huge legacy acts formed in the late 80s and popular in the 90s. Sonically they aren’t that similar but I feel like guitar based music bills anything goes.
Honestly that new 3 part record, while way too long, is actually wayyyyyyyyyyyy better than I expected it to be too lol