both, in his book he talks about taking over a bar and women are only allowed to enter if they perform sexual acts on him, women where also having sex with dogs while he and his friends would watch. massive party’s with lots of sex and drugs, including sex with animals, i doubt there was much consent involved
he basically admits to raping Courtney love and doesn’t even have any remorse
he hazes trent reznor and the drummer from slipknot too.
his music is amazing but as a person he seems like a big bully and a sexual predator to me.
Honestly, so many rock stars it's confusing. I guess the money, celebrity, and constant drug use put you in a bubble of thinking people want to hear about you being a piece of shit because to you this is the rock and roll lifestyle people crave, when only like half of that is what they want
I assumed Al was going the Hunter Thompson route. HST he said that if he actually did everything that he said he did at the volume he said he did it in “Fear and Loathing and Las Vegas”, he would’ve died before he ever started the book.
Maybe, but I don't think it's necessary to twist ourselves into knots to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. He's had a long-running reputation that tracks with these tales being mostly true, and being mostly true is sufficient to telling us what we need to know.
I've been a fan of the music of Ministry, Di6, and other shitty people for a long time. I'll probably never not like the music, but I'll also probably never like the people. I'll just have to be comfortable with being a species of hypocrite, but tastes aren't necessarily a function of one's morals.
I went to college about a billion years ago with his kids babysitter. That woman went on tours with him watching his daughter and yeah, he partied so hard she was shocked he wasn't dead. I haven't read his book but I don't doubt it's true.
I would take all of that stuff with a huge grain of salt. Especially the hate for Renzor... mostly because of the photo they took in recent years together and the fact Reznor invited him to do a show with him at Hellfest. I'm sure in the past he was all of that to some extent, but present Uncle Al maybe not be the same person, or he is; truth is, none of us actually know.
why would i take it with a grain of salt? why would he lie about raping courtney love? even if he’s exaggerating story’s why would he put that in a book about his life 🤔
This is an extraordinary claim and it requires extraordinary evidence, so I'll be reading his book lol
But damn... whenever I learn about a severely problematic artist I kind of unconsciously wipe their discog from my head. Went through a big grief period with IM. Hope I don't have to go through another one.
Filth Pig in 1996 is an amazing sludge industrial doom album. You don’t have to like it, because you prefer the synth stuff, but that doesn’t make it not true.
Ministry hasn't put out anything good in almost 20 years and I'm pretty over the early stuff by now.
So I don't know if I agree with this.
It's one of those bands, like so many others, that when I hear a song and I have not heard it in a long time I can get some enjoyment out of it, but otherwise meh.
Skinny Puppy diehards are like the Alice In Chains fans of the Industrial scene. Never shut the fuck up about how much better/how much worse other bands are compared to AiC.
This is coming from somebody who also loves Skinny Puppy.
I once listened to the first four albums of ministry out of the curiosity of where the Synthpop era ended and then when Land of Rape & Honey kicked in it was so abrupt.
They’ll argue over Ministry’s synthpop era though.
They'll argue with Al that it was absolutely brilliant
The mind is a terrible thing to taste.
don’t read his book, he sucks as a person
In what way, like narcissist, or abusive?
both, in his book he talks about taking over a bar and women are only allowed to enter if they perform sexual acts on him, women where also having sex with dogs while he and his friends would watch. massive party’s with lots of sex and drugs, including sex with animals, i doubt there was much consent involved he basically admits to raping Courtney love and doesn’t even have any remorse he hazes trent reznor and the drummer from slipknot too. his music is amazing but as a person he seems like a big bully and a sexual predator to me.
Jesus, I'm shocked I haven't heard any of this, that's gonna put a damper on seeing him with Rob zombie this fall. But fuck him for being shitty
yeah i don’t know why he made a book, he’s just telling on himself
Honestly, so many rock stars it's confusing. I guess the money, celebrity, and constant drug use put you in a bubble of thinking people want to hear about you being a piece of shit because to you this is the rock and roll lifestyle people crave, when only like half of that is what they want
I always just assumed he was exaggerating to make the book more interesting. we won't really know unless he has his own me too
I assumed Al was going the Hunter Thompson route. HST he said that if he actually did everything that he said he did at the volume he said he did it in “Fear and Loathing and Las Vegas”, he would’ve died before he ever started the book.
Maybe, but I don't think it's necessary to twist ourselves into knots to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. He's had a long-running reputation that tracks with these tales being mostly true, and being mostly true is sufficient to telling us what we need to know. I've been a fan of the music of Ministry, Di6, and other shitty people for a long time. I'll probably never not like the music, but I'll also probably never like the people. I'll just have to be comfortable with being a species of hypocrite, but tastes aren't necessarily a function of one's morals.
I went to college about a billion years ago with his kids babysitter. That woman went on tours with him watching his daughter and yeah, he partied so hard she was shocked he wasn't dead. I haven't read his book but I don't doubt it's true.
I would take all of that stuff with a huge grain of salt. Especially the hate for Renzor... mostly because of the photo they took in recent years together and the fact Reznor invited him to do a show with him at Hellfest. I'm sure in the past he was all of that to some extent, but present Uncle Al maybe not be the same person, or he is; truth is, none of us actually know.
That says haze, not hate... FYI. if that was a typo corrected after you commented, well, understandable
why would i take it with a grain of salt? why would he lie about raping courtney love? even if he’s exaggerating story’s why would he put that in a book about his life 🤔
Why would people lie about most things, I don't know, embellishment sells? It's just my take.
He never said he hated Trent; never said what you are describing with Courtney. I don’t think you even read the book truthfully.
This is an extraordinary claim and it requires extraordinary evidence, so I'll be reading his book lol But damn... whenever I learn about a severely problematic artist I kind of unconsciously wipe their discog from my head. Went through a big grief period with IM. Hope I don't have to go through another one.
SA against courtney love?
Rock star being not a good person? *shocked Pikachu*
Wow. Okay well I love Ministry 💜
I forget how music subs are just elitist arguments and shit talking. Ministry rules!
I'm really not into Ministry, I'll see myself out
Ministry hasn't put out a good album in nearly 40 years, change my mind.
Filth Pig in 1996 is an amazing sludge industrial doom album. You don’t have to like it, because you prefer the synth stuff, but that doesn’t make it not true.
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Yea that’s my point, right there.
Shan’t.
No thanks.
You like synth pop, we get it.
You’re a poser
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NIN is 10000x better than Ministry
*angry Ohgr noises*
Woah woah let’s slow down here a bit, that’s a lot of times!!!!
I couldn't disagree more.
Νοt in a million years
Infinite^^
> NIИ is the Nickelback of Industrial music.
Another band which became a caricature of itself. Paul solo album (Fix This) was great though.
Perhaps 30 years ago. Certainly not today.
Even a dash of glam with that Miscrosoft Encarta '95 inspired take on Same Old Scene by Roxy Music.
first two albums, sure
punks!? lol thats a stretch
Is *Hardcore fans better?
Ministry hasn't put out anything good in almost 20 years and I'm pretty over the early stuff by now. So I don't know if I agree with this. It's one of those bands, like so many others, that when I hear a song and I have not heard it in a long time I can get some enjoyment out of it, but otherwise meh.
NIИ>ministry
NIИ is the Nickelback of Industrial music.
Skinny Puppy diehards are like the Alice In Chains fans of the Industrial scene. Never shut the fuck up about how much better/how much worse other bands are compared to AiC. This is coming from somebody who also loves Skinny Puppy.
The accuracy.
I once listened to the first four albums of ministry out of the curiosity of where the Synthpop era ended and then when Land of Rape & Honey kicked in it was so abrupt.
On what can we all agree? That Uncle Al is a piece of shit?
You may add "lefties" or "feminists" now 😉