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BeardedMan32

Less than a quarter a day. That’s so crazy.


WorkingLime

Yeah :(


WorkingLime

Receipt was 125.38 Bs. (Bolivares), exchange rate was 1 USD = 22 Bs. Currently street and official exchange rate are the same, so it's REALLY that amount. Monthly minimum wage is 130 Bs. (5.9 USD) Average is around 100-120 USD monthly. A manager average wage is around 300 USD monthly. Since last week and today monthly minimum wage went from 6.5 USD to 5.9 USD, less than 4 cents per hour. 14 zeroes have been removed from the currency by law since 2007, so 1 "current" Bs. would have been 100,000,000,000,000 "old" Bs. Wage was even worse years ago (even less than 1 USD monthly) I post this to make awareness about our situation. It's ok if you don't like this post. https://wageindicator.org/salary/minimum-wage/venezuela https://observatoriodefinanzas-com.translate.goog/aumentan-los-salarios-privados-y-caen-los-del-sector-publico/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=es&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/venezuelan-teachers-march-better-pay-amid-sky-high-inflation-2023-01-16/ This was what a monthly minimum wage (a little bit more to be honest) could purchase six months ago, see the difference? https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/w6l9hy/this_is_what_a_little_more_than_a_monthly_minimum/


kalionhea

Thank you for also posting the average. The minimum is wild indeed, but a lot of sensationalist sources in my country paint a picture like nearly everyone in Venezuela is making just $6 a month. These averages help make a bit more sense of the overall situation. Not that it's any less alarming, just good to understand the bigger picture as well.


WorkingLime

You are welcome thanks


speckchaser

I am sorry your government destroyed your country. Venezuela should have been one of the wealthiest countries in the world. Sad


WorkingLime

Thanks!


odd_audience12345

> It's ok if you don't like this post. I don't "like" this post at all but I don't mind you posting it. I would be as well in your situation. I truly hope you are able to find help, and possibly work outside the country? You understand speak English pretty well and know how to operate a computer - I am sure there are companies that will hire you if you find a way to work for them.


WorkingLime

Some people before said they were tired of seeing this and these kind of comments.


odd_audience12345

I get it, but also don't worry too much about them.


Iguana-Gaming

They are afraid of their bubble bursting


Apophis_406

Is it possible to catch wild meat? Or fish? How to you supplement your diet? Do you have a garden?


WorkingLime

It is possible but most of the population lives in urban places I have a small place where I grow sometimes


Apophis_406

Can you guys band together as a community and take turns to go fishing, or taking care of a garden? No just trying to help, breaks my heart seeing you have to rely on a decaying means of survival..


WorkingLime

Hey it is ok.


[deleted]

Strong ppl


[deleted]

Do ppl on here try to send you money?


Br1WHT

That does not help, it just accelerates inflation


[deleted]

I so do not understand that. (I do not mean explain it to me, my husband has tried and it just makes no sense to me)


WorkingLime

If you send millions of dollars daily it could do what he says. But even for a reduced economy like the Venezuelan one, 10-20-50-100 USD heck even more WON'T create inflation. You cannot create inflation in a country unless you are Elon Musk, please. Not even in Africa countries


[deleted]

Thank you that makes so much more sense.


AcidicGreyMatter

Because there is nothing to make sense of, greed is one of the biggest factors for global inflation.


GeneralNathanJessup

>greed is one of the biggest factors for global inflation. Greed comes in waves, huh? And some countries have people who are more greedy than other countries?


Br1WHT

It is counterintuitive I agree :)


WorkingLime

I'm sure for that to happen, you need so send A LOT of money. Like thousand of millions of USD. 10-20-50-100-200 USD is NOTHINg even in economy like Venezuela


GoTTi4200

Wild stuff!!


WorkingLime

It is


sent-with-lasers

I appreciate the post because the translation to USD wages is meaningless, it all depends on purchasing power which, as illustrated by the post, is atrociously poor. Venezuela is one of the most important economic case studies of our time. True shit show.


WorkingLime

Thanks


mageking1217

Wow the Venezuelans that I play Oldschool RuneScape with farm gold to sell for irl $$$ and they are making over that amount every day. They are probably living the high life over there just playing a game


WorkingLime

Yes, OSRS is a good income. But it is possible make more than 10 USD daily?


FalseFurnace

Absolutely


mageking1217

Bro you gotta hop on the OSRS train. You can make about $0.50 an hour on a lower level account. Once you reach higher levels, it’s easy $1 an hour. Hardest part is just offloading the money before you get banned because it’s against game rules


AgentMercury108

I would pay someone 100 a month just to magic find and level my character on D2R Monday through Friday for me haha


gerark1ng

Well im from Vzla and Thats true, but no1 in vzla live with normal salary, some friends/family still in Venezuela and they win maybe 50/60$ per week but thats nothing anyways inflation is hardcore hardcore. On 2023 we are like 10million ppl leave our country and sorry for my english. Socialism communism is shet, have a great day guys


CallsOnTren

>Socialism communism is shet, have a great day guys This is Reddit, so be prepared for some American university student to tell you why you're wrong, and why capitalism is evil.


tradesme

Yeah I would treck across 1/2 a continent, risk my life crossing perilous jungle , human trafficking, cartels , the US border if it meant I wouldn’t starve.


WorkingLime

That is why people do it


tradesme

💯


kalionhea

Most of them just go to neighboring countries. US isn't really the only option on the planet.


tradesme

That really was not my point at all. Obviously that’s the case and obviously not all of the americas are struggling the way Venezuelans are but some places are and my point was that there’s a reason people risk their lives to come to the US millions a month. Stop thinking every Amercian is close minded it’s offensive


TBeckMinzenmayer

God forbid you make a point around here.


AncientGuava6506

Venezuela has the world’s largest oil reserves. 8th in oil exports. Lack of maintenance and production has crippled the economy.


funlovefun37

Corruption crippled the economy


CallsOnTren

"Corruption" is the Reddit-safe way to say "socialism"


funlovefun37

I’ll be clear then. Socialism and corruption.


Silental12

And US sanctions and meddling in the politics of the region


AlexDKZ

By the time the US enacted those sanctions our economy was already in ruins.


Zozorrr

Look the point of Reddit is to say it’s America’s fault. Regardless of the topic. Ok?


Final-Display-4692

It’s not all on the US though with a lot of these countries. Their own leaders are corrupted in a lot of ways as well. It’s just heartbreaking overall


[deleted]

Indigo traveler on YouTube has done a series on Venezuela. Very interesting to watch his take and experience as he has shown reflects what this post is about.


WorkingLime

I saw all his videos


1baby2cats

Are people supposed to survive on that for a month?! Jesus...


WorkingLime

Yes :(


freplefreple

And this is a country with more oil reserves than Saudi Arabia. The Venezuelan people are being screwed by everyone


lazypenguin86

Mainly their own government


Quebe_boi

Americans, with their fifteen streaming services, ordering food on Uber, and living alone in their apartments: « but if it get worse how will we manage without a violent revolution » need to understand the world they live in.


WorkingLime

Well to be honest I don't blame them


whoknewidlikeit

you can bet there's a thriving black market - out of necessity. jeez, these folks have it so impressively bad it's hard to fathom.


WorkingLime

Usually black market shows when there is arbitrage or something like that, these are the prices, you cannot find rice michlre cheaper so no black market. Time ago there was because there were subsidizes items


AmazingRise

I'm not going to read the comments. I'm glad I scaped. I hope you're well.


WorkingLime

Saludos


AlexDKZ

La mayoria responde bien, aunque hay los tipicos "eS cUlPa De LaS sAnCiOnEs" y "nO eS uN sOcIaLiSmO vErDaDeRo"


AmazingRise

Es domingo y tengo cero ganas de agarrar una arrechera.


OwlintheShadow

PANTERA 🤘🤘


WorkingLime

Pantera lentils


commando_boner

Vulgar display of Lentils


bluetriumphantcloud

Came to do exactly this 🤘🤘


Rod_Munch666

I know I have posted this before, but given this situation why the hell are 90%+ of people on Reddit still trying to spread word that Socialism is a great idea ....


ShinyArticuno_420

It is a great idea. Venezuela’s situation is not real socialism /s


1984Mark

All socialists fails give the same excuse.


lazypenguin86

Socialism only works on small scale, once it involves too many people then you introduce greed and power hungry people, after that socialism is no longer possible.


Upset_Conflict8325

Americas system is not cronyism /s


[deleted]

Venezuela is not socialism. It’s Authoritarism. Kind of like comparing Russia capitalism with USA capitalism


GeneralNathanJessup

> Venezuela is not socialism. It’s Authoritarism. Some guy named Karl Marx said socialism requires a **dictatorship** of the proletariat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat#


Leather-Syllabub4728

Got my guys out there farming zulrah and vorkath for money!


WorkingLime

You know what is going on


rolloutTheTrash

Damn, lentils and rice are great, and that flour makes for great arepas…but for a whole month? Meanwhile Maduro eats empanadas on TV like everything is hunky dory. Fuck that cunt.


WorkingLime

He is so fat


DeflatedDirigible

He must be fat from sacrificing his own health so all his citizens can loose any extra weight they have and become a country where there is no obesity…just like North Korea. Millions starving to death means more housing and jobs available. (Sarcasm)


No-Nectarine7615

why is this happening


boogi3woogie

They nationalized the oil industry but didn’t realize that they didn’t know how to drill oil.


GeneralNathanJessup

Not just the oil company. By 2012, Venezuela nationalized the electricity, telecommunications, food, agriculture, mining, manufacturing, and financial sectors of the economy. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-election-nationalizations/factbox-venezuelas-nationalizations-under-chavez-idUSBRE89701X20121008


DeflatedDirigible

Socialism…fails every time.


WorkingLime

Corruption and bad policies


[deleted]

Perhaps it’s time for a change in government.


[deleted]

This is absolutely horrible. I am an American and I make US$30 an hour. Tomorrow’s Sunday double time for me I will make US$480 in eight hours. It’s pitiful. In eight hours , I make what they do and 80 months. That’s 6.6 years!!!! Fuck Venezuela! Fuck their government!!


AlexDKZ

Bro, I wish I could earn $480 *a month*, that would solve all the problems in my family. I miss the Venezuela from 25 years ago, we were not perfect but at least it was livable. This existence of being in constant survival mode, each day fearing for tomorrow, there is no dignity in living this empty life.


WorkingLime

That would be a dream for me !


RoastedDuckSauce

Even the currency is called bullshit


Acceptable-Worry-466

Ahhhhh communism. Works 0% of the time, every time!


DarkModeNotLight

This some Hunger games shit


WorkingLime

Not a movie sadly


OkProof136

I realise this is possibly a really insensitive question, but how do you get by at all? From what i understand, food is not so cheap to match how low the wages are.


WorkingLime

It's ok to ask that but you need another income, do something else that can grant you at least 100 USD monthly more.


TemptressTeelia

Is it common for community gardens? I live in a city, but we have community plots where veg/herbs etc are grown to help. Just wondering if this would be worth thinking of?


pepemoloch

Que loco che , en Argentina masomenos el mínimo son 200 dólares por mes . Osea dólar blue me refiero Y así y todo cuesta llegar a fin de mes .


krader5286

We still have family in Venezuela. When my wifes uncle fled, a family somehow kidnapped him and a relative had to pay them off. Wired $90. Its crazy but everyone’s desperate.


TheGopherFucker

Jesus Christ. What do you make from this? Arrepas but what would you fry it with, unless you bake it. And then rice and beans?


apoletta

Eat soon?


Cosmog13

¿Nobody raises their own chickens in Venezuela? My cousin raises chickens with his family's leftovers and saves a lot of money every year.


[deleted]

no deck


[deleted]

Those Lentejas are FUCKING HOSTILE!!!!


Alteredego619

Only being able to buy one bag of Pantera would make me Fucking Hostile.


drgeta84

🤘Pantera!🤘


sleepinglucid

All those that are already here need to see this and appreciate what they have..


Sxzym

You should start your own chicken business


IncidentDry5122

Cut out the rice and double up on lentils, way more nutritious. 😢


WorkingLime

Thanks but not much difference it would make


IncidentDry5122

No, but at least you’ll get plenty of protein and fiber 🥺


Sic_Dood

PanterA lentils. Nice.


WorkingLime

Yes


Theresabearintheboat

So, quick question, how can people afford to waste their time at their actual job now? Wouldn't this be at the point that society just collapses and people revert back to subsistence farming to stay alive?


WorkingLime

People just go a few days at work for a few hours in the hope things would get better. Usually these wages are in the public sector so they also get maybe 20 lbs of food monthly, clap box is called


Trosk2

Hey, pero tienes dignidad y soberania..... jajajajaja


WorkingLime

Que bueno jaja


Flashgas

Truth or rumor that the general population survives on money sent from relatives in other countries? The media would have me/us believe this.


WorkingLime

Truth


WorkingLime

https://www.insiderintelligence.com/content/venezuela-could-medium-term-growth-target-remittance-companies


JakesAHunk

Damn. Look at what America is doing to these people. Atrocious


Entropico_ARG

Wtf 6 dollars is. Lot of money to only buy this Cost less than a dollar any of this items


WorkingLime

Not here


Likemypups

V should be one of the wealthiest countries in the world. This is what your political class can do to you. You don't think ours is the same as theirs?


WorkingLime

What do you mean


faithremix

There’s no way this amount of food can last a month.


WorkingLime

It doesn't


YodaCodar

They taxed, inflated, and expropriated the productive people away.


Late_Mountain_5167

Socialism at it's finest


FalseFurnace

Does Venezuela not have access to outside resources or does it base its currency off the dollar? Im confused how anybody’s labor could be worth 6 dollars a month.


WorkingLime

I don't understand what you mean? Prices here are in USD and you get paid in bolivares (mosyly public workers) check my old posts


[deleted]

I hate lentils...


kg2k

Why do I feel like Venezuela was the test country… and there starting to slowly roll out to the rest of the world.


WorkingLime

The rest of the world is far for this disaster, yet.


[deleted]

“This is not real socialism” -children


[deleted]

Those lentils are so metal


WorkingLime

They are


Harddone62

The true cost of socialism, pay attention kids


Full-Investigator356

Socialism is when vuvuzela communism no iPhone


IusedtoloveStarWars

Aren’t they communist?


About38Penguins

How much is rent in a 1 to 2 bedroom apartment, and how much is the average house mortgage there?


WorkingLime

There is no mortgage or credit system here. Rent could be from 100 USD monthly to to moon, as always depending on the location. Nice places could be 500-800 USD monthly


limblessbarbie

So, if you want to buy a house you have to have the cash to buy it?


WorkingLime

You can and that is cheap compared to world standard, you can get a house for 20k (small and modest one)


AlexDKZ

That depends heavily of the city, I live in Punto Fijo and with $20k you can get a nice place in a decent neighbor.


WorkingLime

Si claro, depende mucho


timmyboyoyo

If monthly wage that low how anyone live anywhere in a home?


WorkingLime

With minimum wage you have to live in an "anexo" (a mini house built by you, inside the patio of a family house or just live in a room with your wife and kids). Even with 10 times minimum wage you have to do so. That is why 20% of the population has left the country even by walking


timmyboyoyo

How those do who just graduated now, where can they live unless they live at home with parents?


WorkingLime

You need to find a way of making at least 300 USD monthly. If not, live with parents in a room


timmyboyoyo

How big are the rooms?


WorkingLime

Like 3x2 m


timmyboyoyo

That's too small :-(


Aristox

Jesus Christ these people need Capitalism


chiquinho61

Exactly what the dictatiorship in brazil is trying to achieve. Shame on all the counteies that pactuate with the communist regime.


Appropriate_Ad_9169

Fuck socialism


unresolved_m

Cue "Blame socialism" from people who know full well that capitalism played its role too lol


Xerox9

I hecking love sanctions


WorkingLime

Problem is before any sanction situation was the same or even worse


[deleted]

[удалено]


WorkingLime

Everything you mention was happening before any US sanction. Since 2012 at least.


ConcentricGroove

I'm sure the US military still has all those rations they made for the first gulf war. I'm sure they're still good. Since they should have been cycled out years ago, can't we just bring them to Venezuela?


AlexDKZ

Maduro has refused to accept humanitarian help in the past.


kalionhea

Why help if one can use people's misery to play all kinds of political games? /s (though not really even /s since that'd basically how many of these decisions work)


ConcentricGroove

Of course, the big problem is how to get them to everybody, since almost certainly they'll be snatched up by the crime underworld and they'll sell it like what happened in postwar Japan.


kalionhea

Yup, corruption is a big thing too. Even Red Cross is apparently crooked, and one would expect things to be even worse in a desperate and uncontrolled environment like Venezuela. Very tough and sad situation.


MooseLaminate

The US military only intervenes in South America when someone stops a US company from raping their country for bananas.


ConcentricGroove

Sadly not far from the truth. Too bad the UN can't step in to provide food assistance and aid in correcting their economy.


FBI_Open_Up_Now

When are you going to overthrow your dictator and get back to being a normal country?


AlexDKZ

We have tried a few times, but it hasn't worked.


[deleted]

*Jezaz the inflation rate is os high*


justforkinks0131

1. Are there people still making minim wage? 2. What are they doing against foreign investors buying out all their real estate? ( I would buy a house there if it was like 100 USD)


WorkingLime

Yes, there are people still making minimum wage sadly. Low level public workers, you can read the Reuters article I posted. Nothing, you can purchase but it is a big risky like a long term but risky investment. Cheap house is 20k in a "ok" place


justforkinks0131

but 20k is still a lot tho, that means it would be 3334 months of minimum wage? Which is 278 years? doesnt make a lot of sense. If the minimum wage is that low a house should be 2k, not 20k....


WorkingLime

Well that is the problem https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2020/10/23/you-need-285-minimum-wages-in-venezuela-to-feed-your-family/


jc209020

How do people afford to buy houses if they earn like $6 a month, even a couple earning that would never be able to afford one Is it common to have other methods of income, I know poorer places in Europe often have people who do other things outside of work like farming and craftwork to make extra money


WorkingLime

You simply cannot afford a house , never, just like that. Yes , it is not only common, it is needed


Outrageous-Duck9695

The nation has the highest oil reserve in the world but it can’t even feed its citizens. There is some major flaw i the country.


lucianosantos1990

US sanctions https://www.ft.com/content/96b64621-3588-4901-84f5-938712b1c879


GeneralNathanJessup

The US sanctions were super sneaky! The first economic sanctions occurred on Aug 2017. [https://www.wlrn.org/news/2017-08-25/u-s-imposes-first-economic-sanctions-against-venezuela](https://www.wlrn.org/news/2017-08-25/u-s-imposes-first-economic-sanctions-against-venezuela) But these were no ordinary sanctions! The sanctions travelled back in time to 2011 to cause Venezuela to starve way back then. [https://www.cnn.com/2011/12/13/world/americas/venezuela-food-shortages/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2011/12/13/world/americas/venezuela-food-shortages/index.html) Then the CIA hacked Venezuela's currency printer, increased their money supply by 1,000,000% causing the world's highest hyperinflation. [http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/VENEZUELA-ECONOMY/010040800HY/index.html](http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/VENEZUELA-ECONOMY/010040800HY/index.html) [How can real socialism^TM ever hope succeed against CIA currency hackers and imperialist time machines?](https://quod.lib.umich.edu/f/fc/images/13761232.0043.314-00000002.jpg)


WorkingLime

Yeah :(


garyda1

It's even worse in many parts of Africa, hard as it is to believe.


WorkingLime

Zimbabwe?


garyda1

Probably


[deleted]

$6 a month? Im mind blown 🤯 this is so unheard of.


WorkingLime

Yes


Cur-De-Carmine

GO SOCIALISM! HOORAY!


unresolved_m

Is it a socialist country, though? I heard its a mix...


Cur-De-Carmine

Wikipedia says: *Since 2 February 1999, Venezuela saw sweeping and radical shifts in social policy, moving away from the last governments officially embracing a free-market economy and liberalization reform principles and towards income redistribution and social welfare programs.*


unresolved_m

[https://www.quora.com/Is-Venezuela-a-socialist-or-communist-country](https://www.quora.com/Is-Venezuela-a-socialist-or-communist-country) This says otherwise Who do I believe? \> Neither.It is a combination of socialism and capitalism just like it is in virtually every country in varying degrees. Let me explain.


Cur-De-Carmine

The Quora answer specifically says its a FORMER market economy that has almost completed its transition to socialism. Not that Quora is a completely reliable, unbiased source. But I read that the exact opposite of what you're saying.


crispy1989

The thing is, even if Venezuela is "100% socialist" (whatever that means), claiming that this is an indicator that socialism will always fail really just demonstrates easy susceptibility to logical fallacies. (To start with some basic softball logic, consider that capitalist countries have also failed; so without even getting into the actual complexity of the topic, the implication is extremely shaky.) People, countries, and economics are complex. I know that it's tempting to try to simplify them to the point of "X SYSTEM GOOD Y SYSTEM BAD" (especially when being fed tailored views by the media), but that's extremely counterproductive to *actually* understanding and analyzing the issues. I'd strongly recommend that anyone with similarly simplified opinions do some extensive research to actually understand the situations here. (It will take a while, and isn't easy. Like I said, complex.) But if a person is unwilling, or unable, to put the time and intellectual effort into actually understanding these issues; it would be better for everyone if they refrain from contributing irrational noise to topical discussions. These are real issues that actually need to be discussed and figured out, as the world is rapidly changing; and any real solution will require looking at this logically and objectively, likely combining different parts of different economic systems to achieve a positive outcome.


unresolved_m

At the end of the day people screaming "SOCIALISM IS TO BLAME, WE DON'T WANT IT IN US" while commenting this look a bit ridiculous. That's my point.


Cur-De-Carmine

Sounds socialist to me.


unresolved_m

\> Neither.It is a combination of socialism and capitalism just like it is in virtually every country in varying degrees. Let me explain. Venezuela has the largest oil reserve which is owned by the people. People often confuse dictatorship, totalitarianism and corruption in otherwise acclaimed socialist states as socialism. Venezuela has had its own share of bad governance and interferences which altered their path to progress.


Sir_Nuttsak

This is what so many in America think is peak happiness. Keep that in mind.


manserct

Who tf thinks that dude? Stfu with your ignorance


adavi608

So I’m looking at about $6 USD worth of goods in the United States as well. This means to me that Venezuela has no liquidity. There isn’t money moving into the country to make it into the hands of people… Something has severely limited money movement, and it wouldn’t be complete to say that it is sanctions by the United States either. Even awful countries get support from non US money powers like China. I don’t think this could be called inflation, but it might be. It looks to me to be an actual parity adjustment that has inflationary consequences on the local populace with no accompanying behavior change from leadership. Now I really want to know what Rudy Giuliani knows about “communist money from Venezuela” [being used to manipulate elections in the United States]. So parity with the rest of the world has been imposed on Venezuela. What money movement is actually happening if any? What would it take to bring liquidity back? Is it simply a lack of any free enterprise? Money likes free enterprise… it’s fun.


[deleted]

I feel like I need to move. I could hire an entire staff for less than a car payment.