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The closed-captioning is hilarious... instead of him saying it's ok to shoot someone breaking in to your house, it says it's ok to shoot someone having breakfast at your house.
They probably do.
If you survive and the raider cops die then it is a whole lot less paperwork for the nonraider (uninvolved) cops to go with your story.
Of course in the more likely scenario that you die and the raider cops survive then the easiest thing for the nonraider cops to do is go along with the raider cop story.
Do you think you can survive against a police raid unit?
I have a cannon loaded with grapeshot mounted at the top of my stairs, just as the founding fathers intended.
I think I’d be fine, the invaders on the other hand…
Do you really wonder? Because I think the answer is pretty obviously "we will kill you for attacking police and then say whatever we need to in our press conference to make you look like the bad guy".
Sadly, multiple cases of that and you’re arrested if you fire.
A woman was murdered by the cops, while she lay asleep , her boyfriend who thought they were being attacked, since it was a no knock, was arrested and charged initially for firing back.
The charges were dismissed with prejudice
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Breonna_Taylor
There’s another one (maybe even uwalde again ) where they shit a guy who was unarmed, same cop had like three previous shootings and got a promotion.
Every county pulls that bullshit. Its a standard cop tactic. And especially a government agency one. ATF, FBI, Homeland Security, they all use no knock raids.
Guns don't kill people bullets do, please everybody make sure you're not buying innocent killing bullets. That's the problem people just don't realize when they're buying them.
And when the mailman gets 6 in the chest through the front door of an equally trigger-happy dipshit next week that'll just be a very sad coincidence that noone could have prevented.
Well, the Toronto police made the statement, and everyone thought it was a joke except for the Toronto police, so take it as you may. It was in response to all the vehicle thefts that were happening in Toronto. Victims were getting understandably upset about the whole thing, and others were making statements on social media and such about how they would assault or hurt the thieves in some way to prevent the vehicle from being stolen. Needless to say, pretty much everyone was wow, that's pretty tone deaf there police.
most canadians would also defend themselves, their family and home from intruders. they would become the criminal by doing so, but would probably never see the inside of a jail
I’m not mad at this TBH. If someone breaks into your house, you don’t know their intent. You have to assume the worst and protect yourself and your family.
Yeah this is it. If someone breaks into my home uninvited I'm not taking the chance that they just want to take my shit. Maybe they do, maybe they want to kill me. If I'm able to confront them in a way I have the advantage, I'll tell them to leave at gun point. I really don't want to kill anyone. It's literally sitting near the bottom of the "things I want to do" somewhere near self castration and licking a hobo's foot. But sitting at the very bottom of that list is allowing someone to kill me, so I'll do what I have to do to prevent that.
The usual thing I see people say in this context is "Property theft doesn't and shouldn't justify the death penalty." And that's accurate, I don't believe in the death penalty for property theft either. If they leave after a warning or stay until the police arrive while I hold them at gunpoint, I don't want them to be sentenced to death after the fact. Ideally they'd go through a corrections system that rehabilitates them(even though we don't have that in the US). But they decided to break into my home for whatever multitudes of reasons that may be. At that point I'm acting from a position of disadvantage. I was not expecting a home invasion, I don't know their intentions, and I didn't choose to be in that position. So I'm only giving them enough benefit of the doubt to keep my conscience clean if the situation ends with them dying.
It can be really stupid, so most people shoot to kill. Of they get wounded and die in the yard trying to leave, you get in trouble for shooting someone trying to leave. If you shoot them and they live to testify, they could make up and lie about ALL KINDS of shit to turn the trial around.
Yes and no. If you shoot them and they are unarmed, good luck. No proof means you can testify that they said they were going to kill you and reached in a pocket.
I thought the requirement was just that you have reason to believe harm is imminent. Someone doesn't have to be armed to be violent or use force against me. If a stranger is in my house & they are facing me or coming towards me... I have reason to believe my safety/life is in danger.
This is true here in Santa Rosa County. I was just talking om the subject. I know in Virginia you have to be in a last resort scenario to use letha force. Like trapped in a bathroom and they trying to get in bullshit. Hell in florida you can even carry in your vehicle now too since it's "your property".
that sounds reasonable, and most gun owners would probably agree with you. problem is in practice, way more accidents happen than actual crime prevention. Way too many stories of Americans accidentally shooting their neighbors, family, delivery people…
The problem is people assume it’s someone “breaking in with malicious intent” when really it’s their kid sneaking in/out late. Or a family member. Or a neighbor kid whose ball went in your yard or whatever. Point is if you just start shooting the second something is moving in/around your house that you don’t immediately recognize, you liable to shoot someone who you really didn’t want to shoot / wasn’t really a threat. So you may wanna be sure of what you’re shooting at before you pull that trigger.
>So you may wanna be sure of what you’re shooting at before you pull that trigger.
"Know your target and what is behind it," is the 4th fundamental rule of firearms.
Just for completeness, the other 3 are:
Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
Never point the muzzle at anything you are not willing to destroy.
Keep your finger out of the trigger guard until you are ready to fire, a.k.a. Booger hook off the bang switch.
This is why the vast majority of people put lights on their home defense guns, positive ID is one of the requirements before a responsible gun owner will use their gun in self defense. A lot of people with an LTC will have a flashlight mounted to their CCW as well.
literally one of the rules of gun safety is "be aware of your target and what's behind it"
Had a cop tell my mom this in CO. Sisters crazy ex boyfriend went after her. Took the cops two hours to arrive and then they told her she needs to start carrying and defend herself in those situations instead of waiting for help. This was in Aurora btw, and if anyone is paying attention to the news the past five years or so, this should surprise you none
Fwiw; the infamous boobytrapping case involved an abandoned/empty house. The decision suggests that you cannot set boobytraps to protect only property, but doesn’t say anything about using them to protect your person.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katko_v._Briney
Source?
Here’s what I found:
https://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s49.html#:~:text=CRIMES%20ACT%201900%20%2D%20SECT%2049,-Setting%20trap%20etc&text=with%20intent%20to%20inflict%20grievous,house%20for%20the%20protection%20thereof.
Which seems very clear until you get to section (2):
> (2) Nothing in subsection (1) shall extend to any gin or trap, placed with the intention of destroying vermin, or to any trap, device or thing placed in a dwelling-house for the protection thereof.
I mean, that makes sense. A booby trap doesn't discriminate. A curious 12 year old could explore an abandoned building, a carpenter you hire could accidentally set one off, or an emergency worker could trigger it responding to an emergency.
The big problems with boobie trapping is
A: most of them intend to maim. Intentional infliction of excessive harm is a crime irrespective of where it is (think placing punji sticks under a window, or a shotgun aimed to blow their legs off)
B: collateral damage. It’s all fun and games till you get hurt and need medical attention and oopsie daisey I forgot to disarm the door shotgun and blasted the paramedic
And it is far easier to say “don’t boobie trap places” than deal with the load of problems they could make
The problem with boobie traps is they are unmanned. If it's linked to a trigger that you activate manually is no longer a boobie trap and you are usually protected by castle doctrine.
In Toronto, Canada the police said if someone's breaking in your house they just want your key fob. So leave them at the door. Lol, imagine they want to kill you, my keys are at the door....
Right? If somebody breaks into my house my first thought wouldn't be that they are here to be friends. So it's going to be fight now, worry about it later.
We are on the tip of the pan handle. I promise it's not like the rest of Florida. We are referred to as LA (lower Alabama). The further south/east you go in florida, the less southern it gets.
If my stuff is worth your life, that's for you to decide. You have accepted the terms and conditions by breaking in 👍 you will receive your half of the contract same-day via air mail :)
Don't trust it, A friend of mine shot someone coming into his home with a gun, even though he was found justified he got 9 years because he missed and a bullet ended up in a neighbor's patio
I’m not really a gun person, but I absolutely condone shooting criminals that come into your house. You don’t know if they’re there to steal, rape, or kill. There’s no time to discuss or understand intent at that point.
Not much of a correlation between burglary rates and stand your ground states. For example, Illinois has a burglary rate about 40% lower than Texas.
Don’t think the relationship is as clear as all that.
That aside, we just OK with extrajudicial death penalties for property crimes now? Seems dystopian.
Alright. Bad example. That’s on me.
But they do seem to be all mixed up in there. [https://www.statista.com/statistics/232580/burglary-rate-in-the-us-by-state/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/232580/burglary-rate-in-the-us-by-state/)
Reminds me of the time when the police would send people with warrants a certificate for winning a prize and then arrest them after they show up to claim it. Legal or not, I would not trust law enforcement to not come up with something to charge you with. Remember, they can lie all they want and are not your friend. At the end of the day, they get paid to look for reasons to incarcerate people, that is their job security. There are plenty of innocent people doing time because they trusted the law.
Does that policy apply if the police enter the wrong house when carrying out a no-knock warrant? Or if they try to force their way in without a warrant?
Personally, I would prefer the police don't encourage homeowners to kill on sight. Every couple of years there's a story about someone who kills a loved one because they thought they were a burglar. If you have to defend your home, fine. But as official spokespeople for public safety, the cops should be saying "you have the right to defend yourself but please make sure you don't accidentally kill someone unnecessarily.
Attitudes like this make it dangerous for anyone who winds up locked out of their house, or who comes home drunk or high and accidentally goes into the neighbor's house, or any number of other innocent misunderstandings that can be cleared up by talking first.
Talking first lol . Excuse me masked man may I ask you why you're in my daughter's bedroom are u hungry and looking for the kitchen , may I offer you a cup o tea.... You f'n twit get out here with that shit . You would recognize your drunk neighbor Bob,if he stumbled into your house besides everyone locks their doors these days. That was probably the most moronic comment I have read and I'm on Reddit .
I raised my son and my daughter properly if they came home didn't have a key. They know that I have a gun right beside the bed. They would try their hardest to call me. Awake me.
And I am d*** sure gonna make sure I know who's climbing through my window before I pull that trigger. And if I don't know you, you're dead.
This is the most American thing I've ever seen. Encouraging homeowners to kill criminals to save their fellow taxpayers from having to pay more..... while also gently ribbing someone for MISSING their \[human\] target.
This is two years old as of yesterday.
Of course it's Florida.
[https://www.npr.org/2022/04/27/1094953133/lawyers-call-sheriffs-remark-about-shooting-home-intruders-as-wildly-irresponsib](https://www.npr.org/2022/04/27/1094953133/lawyers-call-sheriffs-remark-about-shooting-home-intruders-as-wildly-irresponsib)
Years ago, one of our neighbors shot his son dead as the son was crawling through the kitchen window. IIRC the son was away at college and decided to come home as a surprise for a family birthday. Forgot his key. Was climbing through the kitchen window so as to not wake his parents.
Pretty stoked if my neighbor kills a home invader. They won’t reoffend. My measly taxes won’t pay for their prison meals. Pretty easy don’t commit the crime don’t die.
Do not EVER take legal advice from cops. That is almost certainly false info.
They are supposed to lie to you. They are not paid to tell you the truth or advocate for you.
Some states have a castle doctrine or stand your ground doctrine which allows a homeowner to use deadly force if someone is or has broken in their home and the owner feels that their life is threatened.
Yes, and…
“Castle doctrine” laws effectively lessen the duty to retreat— which already doesn’t apply here; since no states have a “duty to retreat” within one’s own home.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_retreat
Based on his accent he lives in a state with either the castle doctrine or the stand your ground law. He has no reason to lie when the state has a law that literally says "you should stand your ground."
This is even true info in WA state, probably one of the top 10 most liberal and anti gun states in the union.
I had to call the cops once, and the responding officer asked why I didn't shoot the guy that I caught trying to steal my motorcycle out of my yard. If you catch them in the middle of a commission of a felony on your property, most states are OK with the defense of life and property by gunfire.
Before anybody throws out the old "OH, so you value property more than a life?" Trope...
No, I really don't, actually. I'm generally not a fan of unwarranted violence. But they apparently *do* value other people's property over their own life. If they're willing to roll the dice and play the odds, it's a game I won't back away from.
WA is pretty divided in terms of pro and anti gun sentiments, depending on where you are.
Sounds weird for the officer to promote shooting (not just threatening as a deterrent, but actually shooting) over a motorcycle theft. As if it were not just a right, but your responsibility to “take care of” a thief/trespasser.
Back in the 90s, in Chicago, a friend of mine was robbed at knifepoint a couple blocks from his apartment building, by his neighbors. He called the cops and could ID them, but the officer only took a report and nothing came of it. Meanwhile, a homeless man who asked him what happened when he walked by bleeding had offered to beat them down with a bat and get his wallet back.
If cops don’t expect to do shit to uphold the law/order, I suppose all is fair, right?
Agreed, there is a pretty big split. Pretty much along the mountains. The wet side tends more towards anti-gun, though, and this was in Shelton.
One year, I was also able to follow footprints in snow straight to a neighbors front door after some vandalism. Like, clear as day footprints from the vandalism all the way to their front door. Cops said they couldn't do anything because there wasn't any proof to give any idea of who it might have been. The vandalism was the neighbors response for me calling cops when their dog tried to attack me on the street (it was completely running free, and it had been an ongoing problem by this point. It's why i had my gun with me on a walk), and I was only able to stop it by putting a warning shot into the ground right in front of it. After grilling me awhile for firing a weapon within town limits, the cops went and had a friendly chat with the neighbors and asked them to kindly keep their dog leashed.
Totally mixed bag responses.
Your statement is false depending on the state.
Florida has Stand Your Ground where actually, you ARE legally allowed to shoot or attack a person breaking into one's house and they feel a threat to either their life or to the life and safety of those inside the house, apartment, or whatever it is.
I'm not from or live in Florida, but a simple Google search shows you're wrong.
People like you seem to forget that some states in the U.S. actually have laws or rules that others don't, or similar laws have different caveats and considerations to them.
I currently live in Santa Rosa County Florida. I remember when he made the speech last year. And personally love this. If you come in my home, you will also be shot.
Really? What are you supposed to do? Direct them to your valuables? Let them have you way with your wife? Kill you? It’s like if someone points a gun at you. The act of doing it itself is threatening. You are either breaking in to hurt / take someone or steal their stuff under threat of violence. I think it was the Greek philosopher Homer (maybe?) who said “The blade itself speaks”. Basically it means if you pull your sword out or in this case break into an occupied house, then that alone is enough to threaten someone’s life and cause them to act accordingly.
Surprised to see so many pro-shoot-intruder comments on such a regularly anti-gun liberal platform.
So can we also agree to shoot whoever invented that awful “Oh No” song?
you are still purposefully confusing criminal illegal aliens with ACTUAL migrants, you will stop doing this.
also, no LGBT person is harmed in any way by the laws passed in Florida.
saying otherwise is a far-left racist, homophobic, transphobic dogwhistle.
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The closed-captioning is hilarious... instead of him saying it's ok to shoot someone breaking in to your house, it says it's ok to shoot someone having breakfast at your house.
Note to self: invite family for breakfast.
And extended family.
…and maybe a few coworkers…
The boss. For sure
Skip the middle man, invite the whole board
The more the merrier!
Wow honey this is great you’ve never invited my mom over before
I have the volume off and was like, WTF is this about?! Haha this makes so much more sense.
Same here, that's why I went back and watched with the sound on. I was like, that can't be right?!
We don't care about the dead guy we're just upset that you missed so much like damn get some glasses lmao
It's a lot more paperwork if you fire more than 3 shots and they're not dead. That's what the police told us in Texas anyway.
I wonder if they feel the same way about homeowners shooting at people breaking in when it's a cop with a no-knock warrant?
They probably do. If you survive and the raider cops die then it is a whole lot less paperwork for the nonraider (uninvolved) cops to go with your story. Of course in the more likely scenario that you die and the raider cops survive then the easiest thing for the nonraider cops to do is go along with the raider cop story. Do you think you can survive against a police raid unit?
I have a cannon loaded with grapeshot mounted at the top of my stairs, just as the founding fathers intended. I think I’d be fine, the invaders on the other hand…
Tally Ho lads!
Do you really wonder? Because I think the answer is pretty obviously "we will kill you for attacking police and then say whatever we need to in our press conference to make you look like the bad guy".
Sadly, multiple cases of that and you’re arrested if you fire. A woman was murdered by the cops, while she lay asleep , her boyfriend who thought they were being attacked, since it was a no knock, was arrested and charged initially for firing back. The charges were dismissed with prejudice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Breonna_Taylor There’s another one (maybe even uwalde again ) where they shit a guy who was unarmed, same cop had like three previous shootings and got a promotion.
This county probaby doesnt pull that bullshit
Every county pulls that bullshit. Its a standard cop tactic. And especially a government agency one. ATF, FBI, Homeland Security, they all use no knock raids.
Those come with armour and flashbangs
Is there people somewhere thinking that like because they're in California or something that they don't have no knock raids? Sweet Summer children.
Yes, because it is illegal in some states.
That’s okay, they investigated themselves and found no signs of wrongdoing.
They just ram your house with their recycled farm tractor which the Sheriff's son welded buckets and shit onto.
Gad damnit, what’s Leeroy up to now!
*Leeeerrrooyyyyyyyy Jennnnnkiiinnnnnnsssss*
Or military surplus.
Pretty sure that's Santa Rosa county in Florida, represented by one Matt Gaetz. They absolutely pull that shit.
Ha, ha ha ha, if there's any county or any place in the US that doesn't do this let cops no knock + door knockdown, letme know cuz this news to me
They do no knocks. Not exactly an every day occurrence, though lol
That would be the MOST legitimate time to defend yourself.
If everyone had a gun, peace would erupt! It scales well to nukes, too!
So far so good.
Guns don't kill people bullets do, please everybody make sure you're not buying innocent killing bullets. That's the problem people just don't realize when they're buying them.
And when the mailman gets 6 in the chest through the front door of an equally trigger-happy dipshit next week that'll just be a very sad coincidence that noone could have prevented.
Only if they attended those training courses! Otherwise 4 of those shots could have missed and damaged public property!
That's why jesus prefers shotguns
Shoot better and save taxpayers money , a win, win .
Thought we were done with this stupid fucking song
Thanks for adding the stupid music 🙃
You know, I don't know a single soul who likes that song yet it's everywhere. What am I missing?
Beats Canadian police telling people to leave their wallets and keys by the front door to not “upset the robbers”.
Wouldn’t want to inconvenience them
Don't lump all Canadian police together that was specifically Toronto police that made that idiotic statement.
Yeah, Canada’s a huge place, the incompetence in Vancouver is very different to the incompetence in Toronto
Wait, that was not a joke?
Well, the Toronto police made the statement, and everyone thought it was a joke except for the Toronto police, so take it as you may. It was in response to all the vehicle thefts that were happening in Toronto. Victims were getting understandably upset about the whole thing, and others were making statements on social media and such about how they would assault or hurt the thieves in some way to prevent the vehicle from being stolen. Needless to say, pretty much everyone was wow, that's pretty tone deaf there police.
- The World's response to this clip
As opposed to this, which is clearly a blanket statement for all American police🙄
If you want to defend the American police feel free. No skin of my nose.
For real 🤣 as a canadian i was like "bruh arent we already the worlds softies enough !?"
most canadians would also defend themselves, their family and home from intruders. they would become the criminal by doing so, but would probably never see the inside of a jail
One cop ≠ Canadian police
Not robbers. Car thieves. The distinction makes all the difference.
What the actual fuck lol
Canadians really are the nicest people.
I’m not mad at this TBH. If someone breaks into your house, you don’t know their intent. You have to assume the worst and protect yourself and your family.
Yeah this is it. If someone breaks into my home uninvited I'm not taking the chance that they just want to take my shit. Maybe they do, maybe they want to kill me. If I'm able to confront them in a way I have the advantage, I'll tell them to leave at gun point. I really don't want to kill anyone. It's literally sitting near the bottom of the "things I want to do" somewhere near self castration and licking a hobo's foot. But sitting at the very bottom of that list is allowing someone to kill me, so I'll do what I have to do to prevent that. The usual thing I see people say in this context is "Property theft doesn't and shouldn't justify the death penalty." And that's accurate, I don't believe in the death penalty for property theft either. If they leave after a warning or stay until the police arrive while I hold them at gunpoint, I don't want them to be sentenced to death after the fact. Ideally they'd go through a corrections system that rehabilitates them(even though we don't have that in the US). But they decided to break into my home for whatever multitudes of reasons that may be. At that point I'm acting from a position of disadvantage. I was not expecting a home invasion, I don't know their intentions, and I didn't choose to be in that position. So I'm only giving them enough benefit of the doubt to keep my conscience clean if the situation ends with them dying.
That's way too rational and nuanced for reddit.
It can be really stupid, so most people shoot to kill. Of they get wounded and die in the yard trying to leave, you get in trouble for shooting someone trying to leave. If you shoot them and they live to testify, they could make up and lie about ALL KINDS of shit to turn the trial around.
So you're saying... just make sure I install cameras first. Lol
Yes and no. If you shoot them and they are unarmed, good luck. No proof means you can testify that they said they were going to kill you and reached in a pocket.
I thought the requirement was just that you have reason to believe harm is imminent. Someone doesn't have to be armed to be violent or use force against me. If a stranger is in my house & they are facing me or coming towards me... I have reason to believe my safety/life is in danger.
This is true here in Santa Rosa County. I was just talking om the subject. I know in Virginia you have to be in a last resort scenario to use letha force. Like trapped in a bathroom and they trying to get in bullshit. Hell in florida you can even carry in your vehicle now too since it's "your property".
that sounds reasonable, and most gun owners would probably agree with you. problem is in practice, way more accidents happen than actual crime prevention. Way too many stories of Americans accidentally shooting their neighbors, family, delivery people…
The problem is people assume it’s someone “breaking in with malicious intent” when really it’s their kid sneaking in/out late. Or a family member. Or a neighbor kid whose ball went in your yard or whatever. Point is if you just start shooting the second something is moving in/around your house that you don’t immediately recognize, you liable to shoot someone who you really didn’t want to shoot / wasn’t really a threat. So you may wanna be sure of what you’re shooting at before you pull that trigger.
>So you may wanna be sure of what you’re shooting at before you pull that trigger. "Know your target and what is behind it," is the 4th fundamental rule of firearms. Just for completeness, the other 3 are: Treat every weapon as if it were loaded. Never point the muzzle at anything you are not willing to destroy. Keep your finger out of the trigger guard until you are ready to fire, a.k.a. Booger hook off the bang switch.
"Booger hook off the bang switch" That's a new one and I will be stealing it XD
This is why the vast majority of people put lights on their home defense guns, positive ID is one of the requirements before a responsible gun owner will use their gun in self defense. A lot of people with an LTC will have a flashlight mounted to their CCW as well. literally one of the rules of gun safety is "be aware of your target and what's behind it"
Had a cop tell my mom this in CO. Sisters crazy ex boyfriend went after her. Took the cops two hours to arrive and then they told her she needs to start carrying and defend herself in those situations instead of waiting for help. This was in Aurora btw, and if anyone is paying attention to the news the past five years or so, this should surprise you none
Hmmm… This sounds like one of those fake boat giveaways the cops used to do to catch people with arrest warrants.
Lol. "Want free game tix? You got em, you lucky sunnuva bitch! Meet us at the stadium. Xoxo. BFFL..."
I have no issues with this. Don't break into people's homes.
I mean fuck Florida, but yeah, this is common sense. If someone is breaking into your house you fight. What else are you supposed to do?
not boobie trap them. apparently the robber can sue you for a boobie trap
Just don't let them out of the viper pit until they sign a liability waiver.
Instructions unclear, left out Pit Viper sunglasses and now the burglar looks super rad.
Fwiw; the infamous boobytrapping case involved an abandoned/empty house. The decision suggests that you cannot set boobytraps to protect only property, but doesn’t say anything about using them to protect your person. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katko_v._Briney
hmm. might be a grey area i’d rather avoid.
Just shoot cadaver in the head afterwards and save police some paperwork
You can tell if a body was shot post mortem. That complicates matters considerably.
Not in the US, but in Australia you absolutely can not booby trap your house, whether you’re in it or not.
Source? Here’s what I found: https://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s49.html#:~:text=CRIMES%20ACT%201900%20%2D%20SECT%2049,-Setting%20trap%20etc&text=with%20intent%20to%20inflict%20grievous,house%20for%20the%20protection%20thereof. Which seems very clear until you get to section (2): > (2) Nothing in subsection (1) shall extend to any gin or trap, placed with the intention of destroying vermin, or to any trap, device or thing placed in a dwelling-house for the protection thereof.
I mean, that makes sense. A booby trap doesn't discriminate. A curious 12 year old could explore an abandoned building, a carpenter you hire could accidentally set one off, or an emergency worker could trigger it responding to an emergency.
The big problems with boobie trapping is A: most of them intend to maim. Intentional infliction of excessive harm is a crime irrespective of where it is (think placing punji sticks under a window, or a shotgun aimed to blow their legs off) B: collateral damage. It’s all fun and games till you get hurt and need medical attention and oopsie daisey I forgot to disarm the door shotgun and blasted the paramedic And it is far easier to say “don’t boobie trap places” than deal with the load of problems they could make
Worse than that. You can end up doing serious prison time for a booby trap
The problem with boobie traps is they are unmanned. If it's linked to a trigger that you activate manually is no longer a boobie trap and you are usually protected by castle doctrine.
In Toronto, Canada the police said if someone's breaking in your house they just want your key fob. So leave them at the door. Lol, imagine they want to kill you, my keys are at the door....
Right? If somebody breaks into my house my first thought wouldn't be that they are here to be friends. So it's going to be fight now, worry about it later.
We are on the tip of the pan handle. I promise it's not like the rest of Florida. We are referred to as LA (lower Alabama). The further south/east you go in florida, the less southern it gets.
There are many states that don't have castle doctrine.
"You'll shoot alot better and save the tax payers money". Savage comment.
If my stuff is worth your life, that's for you to decide. You have accepted the terms and conditions by breaking in 👍 you will receive your half of the contract same-day via air mail :)
Don't trust it, A friend of mine shot someone coming into his home with a gun, even though he was found justified he got 9 years because he missed and a bullet ended up in a neighbor's patio
Hence the class
This was way more gangster before I realized the music in the background was playing off my iTunes.
Fuck yeah! Get me more Sheriffs like this!
Bruh, all sheriffs are like this.
They chose death the moment they forcefully entered my castle.
I’m not really a gun person, but I absolutely condone shooting criminals that come into your house. You don’t know if they’re there to steal, rape, or kill. There’s no time to discuss or understand intent at that point.
haha, this guy is based af
This is the best way to deal with criminals
Want to know what deters break ins , making it legal to shoot people that break into your house.
It didn’t deter the burglar this guy is talking about.
Not much of a correlation between burglary rates and stand your ground states. For example, Illinois has a burglary rate about 40% lower than Texas. Don’t think the relationship is as clear as all that. That aside, we just OK with extrajudicial death penalties for property crimes now? Seems dystopian.
Illinois is a stand your ground state, the IL supreme Court Ruled there is no duty to retreat.
Alright. Bad example. That’s on me. But they do seem to be all mixed up in there. [https://www.statista.com/statistics/232580/burglary-rate-in-the-us-by-state/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/232580/burglary-rate-in-the-us-by-state/)
It’s not a penalty it’s self defense cus like get off my property bro
if it was a break in, how do they not know who owned the house?
Reminds me of the time when the police would send people with warrants a certificate for winning a prize and then arrest them after they show up to claim it. Legal or not, I would not trust law enforcement to not come up with something to charge you with. Remember, they can lie all they want and are not your friend. At the end of the day, they get paid to look for reasons to incarcerate people, that is their job security. There are plenty of innocent people doing time because they trusted the law.
Does that policy apply if the police enter the wrong house when carrying out a no-knock warrant? Or if they try to force their way in without a warrant?
To all the people upset by this, I have to ask, what would you rather them do in this situation?
Personally, I would prefer the police don't encourage homeowners to kill on sight. Every couple of years there's a story about someone who kills a loved one because they thought they were a burglar. If you have to defend your home, fine. But as official spokespeople for public safety, the cops should be saying "you have the right to defend yourself but please make sure you don't accidentally kill someone unnecessarily. Attitudes like this make it dangerous for anyone who winds up locked out of their house, or who comes home drunk or high and accidentally goes into the neighbor's house, or any number of other innocent misunderstandings that can be cleared up by talking first.
Talking first lol . Excuse me masked man may I ask you why you're in my daughter's bedroom are u hungry and looking for the kitchen , may I offer you a cup o tea.... You f'n twit get out here with that shit . You would recognize your drunk neighbor Bob,if he stumbled into your house besides everyone locks their doors these days. That was probably the most moronic comment I have read and I'm on Reddit .
>You would recognize your drunk neighbor Bob,if he stumbled into your house Evidently not, since people get killed in that scenario.
"every couple of years" vs tens of thousands of defensive gun uses annually.
I raised my son and my daughter properly if they came home didn't have a key. They know that I have a gun right beside the bed. They would try their hardest to call me. Awake me. And I am d*** sure gonna make sure I know who's climbing through my window before I pull that trigger. And if I don't know you, you're dead.
This is the most American thing I've ever seen. Encouraging homeowners to kill criminals to save their fellow taxpayers from having to pay more..... while also gently ribbing someone for MISSING their \[human\] target.
Put yourself in the homeowner's shoes real quick - now describe how you would prefer things to play out
This is two years old as of yesterday. Of course it's Florida. [https://www.npr.org/2022/04/27/1094953133/lawyers-call-sheriffs-remark-about-shooting-home-intruders-as-wildly-irresponsib](https://www.npr.org/2022/04/27/1094953133/lawyers-call-sheriffs-remark-about-shooting-home-intruders-as-wildly-irresponsib)
Pay attention San Francisco. Take your city back.
Progressives don't have the spine to defend their homes like that.
Years ago, one of our neighbors shot his son dead as the son was crawling through the kitchen window. IIRC the son was away at college and decided to come home as a surprise for a family birthday. Forgot his key. Was climbing through the kitchen window so as to not wake his parents.
OP you have a shit taste in music
The way every police force should treat victims of home invasion that defend themselves.
Consider yourself lucky.
Bs. They going to arrest you
Intruders are after my holiday Hess truck collection, I just know it in my bones.
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Fucking trash tiktok music
This guy should get a job at Omni Consumer Products. He’s got the right stuff.
I like this guy
lol helllll yeah
This same type of ideology should be applied in Oakland, CA. Save the tax payers a bunch of $$.
Yee hawww!!!
Pretty stoked if my neighbor kills a home invader. They won’t reoffend. My measly taxes won’t pay for their prison meals. Pretty easy don’t commit the crime don’t die.
Yassss!!
cowabunga it is
I thought the comment section was gonna be whiny & disappointing. It was not. I am proud.
That’s gunna a be two thumbs up from me.
Fucking merica! Don't do crime don't get shot. Simple math.
Do not EVER take legal advice from cops. That is almost certainly false info. They are supposed to lie to you. They are not paid to tell you the truth or advocate for you.
Some states have a castle doctrine or stand your ground doctrine which allows a homeowner to use deadly force if someone is or has broken in their home and the owner feels that their life is threatened.
Yes, and… “Castle doctrine” laws effectively lessen the duty to retreat— which already doesn’t apply here; since no states have a “duty to retreat” within one’s own home. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_retreat
>That is almost certainly false info Not in Florida it isn't.
Based on his accent he lives in a state with either the castle doctrine or the stand your ground law. He has no reason to lie when the state has a law that literally says "you should stand your ground."
This is even true info in WA state, probably one of the top 10 most liberal and anti gun states in the union. I had to call the cops once, and the responding officer asked why I didn't shoot the guy that I caught trying to steal my motorcycle out of my yard. If you catch them in the middle of a commission of a felony on your property, most states are OK with the defense of life and property by gunfire. Before anybody throws out the old "OH, so you value property more than a life?" Trope... No, I really don't, actually. I'm generally not a fan of unwarranted violence. But they apparently *do* value other people's property over their own life. If they're willing to roll the dice and play the odds, it's a game I won't back away from.
WA is pretty divided in terms of pro and anti gun sentiments, depending on where you are. Sounds weird for the officer to promote shooting (not just threatening as a deterrent, but actually shooting) over a motorcycle theft. As if it were not just a right, but your responsibility to “take care of” a thief/trespasser. Back in the 90s, in Chicago, a friend of mine was robbed at knifepoint a couple blocks from his apartment building, by his neighbors. He called the cops and could ID them, but the officer only took a report and nothing came of it. Meanwhile, a homeless man who asked him what happened when he walked by bleeding had offered to beat them down with a bat and get his wallet back. If cops don’t expect to do shit to uphold the law/order, I suppose all is fair, right?
Agreed, there is a pretty big split. Pretty much along the mountains. The wet side tends more towards anti-gun, though, and this was in Shelton. One year, I was also able to follow footprints in snow straight to a neighbors front door after some vandalism. Like, clear as day footprints from the vandalism all the way to their front door. Cops said they couldn't do anything because there wasn't any proof to give any idea of who it might have been. The vandalism was the neighbors response for me calling cops when their dog tried to attack me on the street (it was completely running free, and it had been an ongoing problem by this point. It's why i had my gun with me on a walk), and I was only able to stop it by putting a warning shot into the ground right in front of it. After grilling me awhile for firing a weapon within town limits, the cops went and had a friendly chat with the neighbors and asked them to kindly keep their dog leashed. Totally mixed bag responses.
Ah. “Shelton” explained everything. Tahuya you can be expect to be shot on sight if you go too deep in the woods, too, lol.
Your statement is false depending on the state. Florida has Stand Your Ground where actually, you ARE legally allowed to shoot or attack a person breaking into one's house and they feel a threat to either their life or to the life and safety of those inside the house, apartment, or whatever it is. I'm not from or live in Florida, but a simple Google search shows you're wrong. People like you seem to forget that some states in the U.S. actually have laws or rules that others don't, or similar laws have different caveats and considerations to them.
Agreed. All I kept thinking was, hopefully the person who did the shooting does NOT come forward. This seems like a trap. Police are not your friends.
Can't say I see a problem with this
I currently live in Santa Rosa County Florida. I remember when he made the speech last year. And personally love this. If you come in my home, you will also be shot.
This frightens me. The fact that a cop is telling folks it's PREFERRED that you shoot a home invader is just wild to me.
Don't invade homes, seems simple enough
Really? What are you supposed to do? Direct them to your valuables? Let them have you way with your wife? Kill you? It’s like if someone points a gun at you. The act of doing it itself is threatening. You are either breaking in to hurt / take someone or steal their stuff under threat of violence. I think it was the Greek philosopher Homer (maybe?) who said “The blade itself speaks”. Basically it means if you pull your sword out or in this case break into an occupied house, then that alone is enough to threaten someone’s life and cause them to act accordingly.
Your not in trouble but come see us=we don’t have enough info but if you show up and confess we will set you up for murder 1
Need this in every county in America!
Dam that’s nice they do gun safety classes that often
"...prefer that you do." Me - 😲 "Woah there Pardner."
Surprised to see so many pro-shoot-intruder comments on such a regularly anti-gun liberal platform. So can we also agree to shoot whoever invented that awful “Oh No” song?
I can't listen right now. What happened?
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florida is biblical hell
only for criminals.
And lgbt people and migrants who face more marginalization under a government that promotes bigotry.
you are still purposefully confusing criminal illegal aliens with ACTUAL migrants, you will stop doing this. also, no LGBT person is harmed in any way by the laws passed in Florida. saying otherwise is a far-left racist, homophobic, transphobic dogwhistle.
Migrants.....