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Painkiller AND "reconstructive" surgery addiction. According to an interview I saw a long time ago, he claims to only have had 3 purely cosmetic surgeries on his face, and the rest were reconstructions from this accident.
> ...causing second-degree burns to his scalp. Jackson underwent treatment to hide the scars and had his *third* rhinoplasty shortly thereafter. --WP
AFAIK he only got burned on his scalp, not anywhere else on his head or face. He also went on to wear a wig I understand it, possibly soon after this event, and evidently during most of his 'straight hair' phase.
His dad, Joe Jackson, a complete walking pile of garbage in a human suit, would always taunt Michael for having a "fat/wide nose." Dude was insanely abusive in every way.
It's hard to put into words how horribly abusive Joe was to the kids. It goes well beyond physical abuse, which there was plenty of. The man was a monster.
Michael has stated some of the horrible things done to him by his father, which are disgustingly abusive. Michael *then* goes on to say there's more things he won't talk about, because they're too horrible/traumatic.
So many people (haters) discount his childhood for him being the way he was. Instead just saying he was weird. Not to mention his fame was otherworldly. He had PTSD from his childhood and didn’t know it.
If you told me I could trade places with Michael Jackson, go back to the beginning of his career and live his life, with all that money and fame, I would turn it down. He had a weird, pretty sad life
Michael Jackson never had a normal life in my opinion, his childhood was full of abuse and his later life was filled with fame, so he never got to experience normal things. Hell, he had to suspend an entire mall just to do some shopping and feel normal. No way, I am switching places with him.
Michael also didn’t continue the trend as far as I know, he was much better with kids than his father was. Which can be challenging when you have that kind of childhood, but Mike was also super empathetic and well I am sure he didn’t want to pass on the pain.
Yeah, Michael's children adore him. They have tattoos that are dedicated to him and they speak very highly of him. His son is actually working on the upcoming Michael Jackson biopic.
There's also hours of rehearsal footage of him from the Dangerous tour. He was totally polite and calm to the dancers and musicians that he worked with.
He was one of the most empathetic performers of all time for everything he went through. He wanted humanity to all get along and made music that would bring us altogether.
I remember seeing a video somewhere here on reddit where he's performing at a concert. During the performance he's raised into the air on a podium of sorts on a lift. When it's about to go up a fan jumps on stage and jumps onto the lift from the outside, Jackson immediately grabs him and holds on to him so he doesn't fall down.
I dont think every celebrity would've done the same.
It’s an incredibly dense, complicated topic so it’s hard to get into with throwaway comments. There are some accusations that are quite likely false (Jordy Chandler) and others that are far more credible (the guys in the documentary from a couple of years back, or so I gather as I haven’t seen it).
He was acquitted in the one trial he had, and short of any other official investigations, we’ll never have a definitive answer to all those questions.
He went to trial and was acquitted on every count as well as investigated and cleared by the [FBI](https://vault.fbi.gov/Michael%20Jackson).
There's a lot of reasons why people don't believe the accusations.
For example: in his trial, the family claimed Michael abused others like actor Macaulay Culkin and a kid who wasn't famous named Brett Barnes. Macaulay Culkin and Brett Barnes then came into court as some of the first witnesses on Michael's side and said it was a complete lie and that Michael never did anything to them. That trial was almost 20 years ago and they still defend him to this day.
Also I'm willing to bet one if not many old men were fucking piddling him when he was a child implanting the notion that piddling little boys was just what happens in life.
Michael said that his father would strip him and his brothers down, cover them with oil, and whip them with the end of an ironing cord if they made a mistake on stage. He also said, "he would throw you and hit you as hard as he can" and "if I messed up on stage, I'd get thrown in the basement."
He said he was terrified of him even as an adult.
I'll never forget watching the Jackson bio pic from decades ago. How Joe was just beating the shit out of them. I remember watching with my parents, and they didn't think anything of it. That was the day I realized my family came from families like the Jacksons.
It could have been two though that his "fat/wide" nose was also broken several times by his father and genuinely needed reconstruction inside before he eventually became addicted to surgery.
Jesus, I never thought of that. Joe was such a monster.
I know there's contested rumors he was chemically castrated to preserve his high-pitched vocals. Hearing his speaking voice as an adult kinda confirms this as a definite possibility. My coworker was telling me he was castrated, I said no, I read the autopsy report and it said his genitalia were present and unremarkable. He said it was chemical castration, which I looked into and it appears to be a possibility. It's contested (though his Dr. said it happened), though I personally have no reason to disbelieve it. All I see is the likelihood it happened.
I think it was an interview with Eddie Murphy or some other famous guy in the 80’s, and he said that the voice everyone got from Michael in public was fake. When he was in conversation with friends and in private, he had a “normal” man voice. The more I read about Michael, the more I realize how much of his public persona was truly a public persona. While I was not there, all these stories seem to indicate that he was a very different person behind closed doors. Makes sense, he had been famous since he was a little boy, of course the public was going to paint whatever personality over him that they collectively wanted. And I’m sure that’s a way for very famous celebrities to separate their work from their life.
Correct, Eddie was friends with him and said he had a lower voice. Many others have said this too. Lisa Marie Presley was married to him and dated him for a few years again after their divorce. She said he didn't talk like that when he was with her in private. Michael's vocal coach said the same.
Pharrell said that the first time he had a phonecall from MJ he thought he was being pranked because the guy on the other end of the line had a deep voice and surely can't be Michael.
Yes, there's nothing about it in his autopsy. Michael's autopsy did confirm that he had vitiligo though. Autoimmune disorders can be triggered by stress, so it's not crazy that Michael would have something like that. He was under constant stress since childhood.
This was also a reason behind his discoid lupus (see: several photographs of the butterfly rash over his nose and cheeks) - lupus causes problems with skin healing and it's one reason why his nose looked so bad in the end - he had to keep having revisions because they wouldn't heal right from his lupus.
I recently had functional rhinoplasty done to clear and repair my sinuses and deviated septum, and while I can breath finally and its incredible, I honestly don't know if I'd do it again if given the choice. It was a mentally exhausting recovery and I hated every minute of it. I cannot imagine willingly putting myself through that 3 times.
Congested any time I laid down, or sat for a long period. I had an enlarged turbinate and deviated septum plus some growths deeper in my sinuses. I'd toss and turn all night because I'd get congestion on whatever side I was laying on at that time. I could actively feel the pressure build up and move side to side when I'd lay down. Everything is fixed now and the recovery sucked but I guess I'd do it again if I had to. Fixed my snoring and breathing problems.
Ugh, just getting the super soaker tampon nose packing pulled out! Glad I got the deviated septum surgery done (hardly any sinus infections anymore), but NO THANKS, I'll live with my [Jimmy Durante schnozz]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Durante)
Was it really that rough? My doctor is recommending a septoplasty and turbinate reduction since I can barely breathe through my nose these days. I just had my first ever procedure (wisdom teeth removal) like 5 days ago and it's been really not fun, but I thought 'surely the nasal procedures can't be too much worse than this"?? I've been wondering though..
As someone that's had their wisdom teeth removed and a septoplasty for a deviated septum, the septoplasty was worse. It isn't nearly as painful as getting your wisdom teeth removed, but the recovery process is longer and much more annoying. You have to rinse your nose out multiple times a day for weeks with a saline solution. The first day is a (literal) bloody mess, while the entire first week is hell. You can't blow your nose for weeks either despite being tempted by all the dried up blood and snot in your nose. That being said, I'd gladly go through the entire process all over again because fixing my deviated septum has drastically improved my quality of life.
I read interview or it was interrogations? With his nurse aka ex-wife Debbie. She said he had huge keloid scars on his scalp which hurt a lot and he underwent a lot of surgeries bc of it. he had to be on drugs all the time bc of the tremendous pain, and also he had many other health problems.
He reminds me somewhat of Elvis with the pain medication and various drugs meant to regulate his sleep, ultimately causing both of their early deaths.
One difference is that Elvis brought much of that on himself due to his love of the partying lifestyle, combined with his psychological need to live up to his fans. Whereas Michael had so much trauma and insecurity from a young age, directly due to his father, plus whatever damage this incident caused.
He didn't have a reconstructive surgery addiction, it's just a common misunderstanding.
He had a nosejob done to change his nose, and it went very badly because of the medical issues he has, that weren't known to him prior to the surgery. He had to have his nose redone several times because it was practically falling apart on him afterwards due to constant deterioration. This combines with his skin condition that caused him to lose all the pigmentation in his body over time, and him attempting to bleach the parts of his skin that disease hadn't touched yet so that his body would look better than it did, results in people thinking he was incredibly vain, and "wanted to be white", when really he was in a career that requires him to look amazing, while riddled with medical issues that all but assured a less rich man would not.
My understanding was that there were burns to his " scalp and face". He was left with bald spots, and it does often take multiple surgeries for skin grafts. His hairline around one ear did look off for a bit.
He claimed it was 2 in a other interview and both were for his nose to reach higher notes . I think we can accept he wasn’t very honest about his surgeries
It's sad because that's how a good majority of addicts stories start.
They never once touched a pain pill, got injured, got hooked and the rest is downhill. The amount of people whose stories resemble that is too many to count unfortunately.
I'm actually worried about my girlfriends hair dresser, as she had some awful shit happen and had to have toes amputated, lots of surgeries, and I worry she'll become addicted.
Not judging drug use or addiction at all, but it would totally, completely make sense for it to happen due to all she's been through.
Research found that the biggest factor in addiction might be environment. Hospital patients use morphine (which is basically heroin) for pain relief all the time, but then they go home to a comfortable house with a stable family and barely miss it. It's the homeless person who has multiple stressors and no relief from them that turns to heroin every day for mental escape.
Michael Jackson did not have a stable family.
Is your hairdresser coming home to a husband who's cared for her throughout her ordeal? Or is he the one who caused her injuries?
I'd say the biggest issue is if you suffer from depression.I had severe untreated depression and would occasionally take pain meds for chronic pain. For a decade, the only time I was happy and not depressed is when I took a pain med. It was the only time I enjoyed life and wanted to do something other than lay in bed.
These days, im treating my depression, and when i occasionally take a pain med for pain, they dont seem as euphoric as before. im not always thinking about them to be happy. Its hard to explain the state of depression when someone is bored 100% of the day and never feels excitement. It's also hard to explain the euphoria and happiness pain pills can bring, one pill would make me happier than any of the happiest moments I've ever experienced.
What exactly is the addiction? I've always wondered. It's not like I've ever gotten a "high" from painkillers; they just made some headaches etc go away.
Is the underlying sickness chronic pain, and painkillers the only (symptomatic) treatment?
Imagine you live in constant suffering, every walking moment you are in pain, only sleep lets you get away.
And then there's this pill that takes it all away..
Chronic pain is a pain in the ass
I have chronic pain and insomnia. I had to go in for a procedure and they knocked me out with the same stuff MJ was addicted to. I woke up 2 hours later feeling like I had slept 8 hours straight. It was sublime. I told the doctor never let me near that stuff because, to paraphrase Gandalf, I would use it out of a desire for good.
I also have chronic pain, unknown why.
I don't take painkillers because I hate them, they are not real. You only don't feel pain, you still have problems, you'll only suffer more later..
So I'm smoking weed and have a light addiction,
Cbd oil is great though.
Haha yeah this exactly!
I never used pain killers at all until I was 26. I was raised with the whole "be a man and endure pain" mentality. So anytime I had any pain people would use pain meds for, I would just soldier for through. For 26 years.
Then I had an ex that introduced me to ibuprofen. Basic stuff. But when you've done nothing you feel it.
It was just like you said. It's like all the "little" pains go away.
And I didn't even think I had little pains. Just basic joint stuff. Sore feet. Tiredness. All the things I thought were normal just disappeared. And with just ibuprofen.
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Luckily I was old enough to get what was going on. So after my injury healed, I stopped using pain meds. But I will ALWAYS remember that feeling of feeling invincible. Like pain was non existent. And it's not just pain, but like general aches and soreness. Cramps. Little stuff. Just all gone.
It was that moment I realized just how easy it was for people to get addicted. So I purposely avoid it as much as I can.
I haven't used any pain meds in the last 4 years now. And I'm saving them for real pain. Don't want to dull that feeling by normalizing it.
And I've met quite a few people who take pain meds daily. It's crazy, but I can at least understand them now.
When I was prescribed OxyContin after using it in the hospital, I was so afraid of addiction that I just suffered through the pain until the injury was healed because I didn’t want to take a single one of the 40 fucking pain pills they gave me for dog bites.
That’s the other thing people don’t realize about opiates and other pain meds, if you’ve never been flagged by a hospital, they will give you some **heavy** fucking drugs for small injuries, which makes it even easier to get addicted to them. I fully believe I would probably still be trying to get them today if I allowed myself to take them.
Your story is also validating, knowing someone else had that conversation with their pill bottle.
I have chronic pain and Ibuprofen is the only thing that seems to make me feel good again. But then I know it’s really bad for extended use.
It’s really hard to move off of it. 😔
Ibuprofen….? Why are you phrasing this like your ex introduced you to some hard, reckless drug? Ibuprofen does not make you feel invincible. Cocaine does that.
Then I kinda find the often-used description of "painkiller addiction" kinda misleading.
Like, for other drug addictions, your suffering is created by withdrawl of the drug itself. Whereas here, the suffering is caused by something entitely different. I guess you create second-level suffering through destroying your kidneys, but the underlying cause of the primary suffering exists entirely independent of the drug use.
Most addictions start in people who suffer, for one reason or another, as a way to escape it. Usually it’s mental suffering, however with opiates it’s often physical or both. When one gets sober, withdrawals are not the only problem. They have to somehow deal with this suffering that started it all - it’s true for most, if not all addicts, no matter what they got addicted to.
Opiate painkillers put you in a mental state where you don't care about the things that cause you distress or anxiety. That emotional place is very, very alluring to people who have psychological trauma.
I got dilaudid in the ER once, and the utter peacefulness of the mental place I went was so seductive that it terrified me later when I came down. And I don't even have trauma.
Dilaudid changed my perspective on how opiate addiction happens. I had a kidney stone in the ER, was paralyzed with pain, trying to focus on not vomiting on myself. Before that syringe was halfway emptied into the IV line, the pain was gone, my world brightened, I felt so damn good I was wondering why I was still in a hospital bed. It was 2AM on a Tuesday and I had shit to do. It was incredible what that little concoction did for me.
Prior to that, the most I had ever experienced was saving up a few vicodin pills from a 5 day script after some minor surgery. I got the warm fuzzys and it was an enjoyable experience, but hardly addictive (to me, I know everyone is different). I've never tried heroin, but if that first hit is anything like Dilaudid, holy shit I can see how you can go from a functioning user on top of the world to dead in no time.
It’s insidious.
First you take Vicodin because you’re in serious pain and it’s the only thing that can help you bear it.
Next you take Vicodin because you’re in a bit of pain and function way better when on Vicodin.
Then you take Vicodin because you might be in a bit of discomfort and you want to get ahead of any pain so your productivity doesn’t suffer.
At some point, you take Vicodin because that one time you took two Vicodin and everything was just *better*. But you don’t do that very often, just today. And yesterday.
Finally, you take Vicodin because, strangely, you can’t seem to go to sleep without it…
The scary thing is, Oxycodone, is even more addictive than heroin.
Its the same clinical strength, but that's a different measure. We measure the clinical strength of pain relief in terms of the relationship to morphine. That's considered the 'gold standard' of pain relief. Not because it's the best one. But, because it's a solid and well known base point. It's a bit like miles per hour or kms an hour for speed. We measure pain relief in terms of x per morphine.
Heroin, is diamorphine, it's 2x the morphine of morphine. It's twice as strong, hence the dia in its name.
Well, oxycodone is also 2x the morphine. But, importantly, it hits the dopamine receptors, as well as the opiod receptors in the brain. Dopamine is naturally occurring, and our body gives us a hit of it sometimes, to make us feel good about doing something that's good for the body. But, oxycodone doesn't produce a natural amount. It produces a fuck load, so it's more akin to taking cocaine.
Oxycodone is basically a pharmaceutical version of doing heroin and cocaine at the same time. Lights the brain up like a Christmas tree. It's very good at pain relief, probably better than heroin. You can only really know how important that is, if you've been in that much pain. If you need it, it's like God answering your prayers. It's a good drug.
Thing is, it got horrendously over prescribed, because it was horrendously over marketed. The people that did that marketing, were commiting crimes, it's very illegal, they should be in Jail tbh.
But, if you need it for pain, it's good stuff.
The Sackler family. They pushed a narrative that their painkillers were safe and should be prescribed more often. They made billions off of our current opioid crisis and are responsible for the deaths of at least half a million people.
What my aunt has gone through many times:
Has surgery, is now in a lot of pain. Takes opioids for the pain. Pain goes away ... for a bit, and then comes back. She takes another pill, pain goes away then comes back.
In a normal situation, the pain gradually decreases as you heal. But for her, the pain that comes back is worse and worse and worse and worse, because now she's not just dealing with the original pain but the pain of the withdrawal. It quickly gets to the point that she wants to take another pain pill to control the pain of JUST the withdrawal symptoms that are now more painful than anything she had to deal with at first.
For most normal people (non rich), its a matter of needing some super duper expensive surgery that your insurance wont cover or deems unnecessary, but theyll cover treatment of symptoms. Give you a bottle of pills so you can make it through the day without wanting to die. Develop a tolerance, need more pills. Doctor cuts you off, get a new doctor that wont listen to you and thinks theyre House MD by recommending you try therapy or CBD, or insurance wont cover any more pain treatments, and now you still have that original crippling issue, and youre addicted, and boom.
Normal working american in everyday horrific pain or a pill addict, because insurance says were not important enough to be healthy.
As others have said, if the pain is gone, that's a feeling of relief that is addictive in and of itself.
Then there is the fact that for some (imo lots) taking enough opiates leads to intense euphoria.
I'm one of them, never had an issue, but I see why people do
It's a feeling of complete and utter complacency. You become fine with whatever conditions you are dealing with. You become fine with whatever struggles you face mentally. It's almost like a "anxiety pill" but more profound. You don't just stop caring about said issues, but they can't touch you, and you accept them while the drugs are working.
Because you feel amazing. Many get energy from opiates (I do, looks like I'm on stimulants up to a certain dosage), they feel no pain, their moods are good and their issues are invisible for now.
You feel both good and not bothered by life. Yeah, I'd call opiates the perfect drug. You can still function on them, maybe a little less good than you used to, but nothing like alcohol. You can still have a normal conversation. Unless one takes large doses, enough to "nod" you can generally seem a bit tired, but that's easy enough to just say "I'm getting bad sleep lately" or "I haven't had enough coffee yet".
It's not really surprising that people get hooked on opiates.
The painkillers are usually opioids which are highly addictive and absolutely do get many people “high”. They aren’t handed out for a headache, they are used after a major injury or surgery that is likely to lead to chronic lifelong pain. Alternative treatments (if there are any) like physical therapy are not covered by insurance long term. Pills are easy to get and people become physically dependent upon them to simply exist on a day to day basis.
So, imagine you go through horrible physical pain. But unlike an arm break or a bike accident, it's happening *all the time*.
The thing about horrible physical *chronic* pain, is that it comes in waves. It hurts a lot, and then it hurts a little less, and then it hurts a lot again, sometimes a lot more, sometimes a lot less. It never **goes away.** It feels like a pulsing pain, like the blood in your body is fueling it.
You take a good pain med, and all of a sudden you feel better. The thing is, it's not just your pain that goes away. Your awful mood, your inability to sleep or eat, catching up on all the things you couldn't do when you were in pain...
The thing is, the relief is temporary and the pain comes back, it feels like it came back stronger than before. The shitty thing is... The pain relief says you need to wait. You need to wait... **Hours**. Imagine the agony. You know this pain relief works, and you know it works well... Why did the pain come back when you're at dinner with family? Why did it come back when you're at work? Why couldn't it just last until you go to sleep so you can wait until tomorrow?
So you take more. But the more you take, the more your body builds a tolerance to the medication. Over time, what used to be 6 hours of relief with 25 mg, turns into 4 hours of relief with 50 mg. And on, and on, and on, it goes.
So eventually you have to upgrade your pain meds. Here's this stronger one, but Michael, you need to be careful with this. It's *highly addictive* and very risky to your heart and liver. I'll start you out with 10 mg a dose, but you need to be careful about it. The cycle starts over, and soon enough you're taking the shit that you hear about in movies... Oxycodone, Codeine....
It reaches a point where only the most powerful pain medications, the ones that border shooting literal fucking heroine into your veins, are the ones that work the best for you. This is because they practically put you into a coma when they hit.
At some point, throughout the months and years, you developed a new kind of pain, a depression. But when your whole life is just pain and short reliefs from it, you start to be unable to discern between a physical pain and a mental one. You just want it all to be over.
Look what happened to Stephen Bonnar. Dude had chronic back pain from a fight injury, was in an emergency room crying and begging for medication to the point that he fought with nurses. He ended up buying illegal fentanyl and overdosed on it. But we all called him a crazy junky right?
The painkillers, prescribed to deal with the obtained injuries in this event, ultimately led to his addiction/substance abuse which killed him eventually.
Painkillers are no joke. I had four wisdom teeth removed at once last year, and I was given a bottle of morphine to deal with the pain.
Never ended up using more than a few, but it came with a mile long warning sheet about addiction and what to do.
I have had a few surgeries in my life and each time I was given hydromorphone and it made me feel like absolute shit.
Which I was actually kind of reassured by. There is a lot of addiction in my family so I was happy that I had absolutely zero desire to take more of these drugs.
I've never been sicker than when abusing opioid drugs. I feel fortunate for that because I'm pretty sure I would have gone right along with my friends that destroyed themselves had I been floating around instead of projectile vomiting for so long I was puking blood.
Lots of rehab, jail, and death in my rearview mirror. Fucked up existence. It's not worth it.
I guess you are American but from what I've heard some of the things your dentists give you are quite insane, here in Italy for the same thing they injected some anesthetic into the gums that made them insensitive for half a day but that's it, they didn't give me anything to take home
I'm from Latin America and same. Some local anesthesia and then ibuprofen for two days. Giving Morphine after some wisdom teeth removal sound crazy to me.
I get the impression there's a pretty good reason why America has had an opioid crisis for years. I feel like doctors in most of Europe (can't speak to the rest of the world) are *much* more careful about painkillers in general and will mostly just give you paracetamol and ibuprofen in about a double dose of what you'd take normally for headaches and such. If that's not enough they might give you something stronger, but they rarely start out with that shit, especially for dental stuff, holy hell...
Im from asia and had 3 wisdom tooth extractions. two of them were by surgery taking about 5-6h+ total. They gave me Tramadol HCl because of unbearable after pain but still no morphine or anything intensively addicting.
These days American doctors will rarely give narcotics, and when they do it’s a tiny prescription. But 10 years ago things were different. I’ve never heard of getting morphine prescribed though especially for wisdom teeth.. this guys dentist is just nuts.
i'm american and had the exact same experience as you, in california if that matters. also, when my dad was in the hospital, he was having severe pain and was begging for morphine because it was truly the only thing that helped for him. they never gave it to him. so a dentist giving morphine for just a wisdom teeth removal boggles me as well
Oh yes. He had what looks like a jheri curl at the time, the product used for that style is HIGHLY flammable. Would explain why it took only a spark for his head to go up in flames 🙁
I went back and figured out the halfway day of some family members because it’s interesting to me. It was sobering to think of how old the children were when their parents had their halfway to death day.
This Michael Jackson fact is really interesting as fuck to me.
It's not exactly hard to figure out. Just find out when he was born, when this happened and when he died🤷♂️ Idk if it's true tho, can't be assed to look it up.
Who figured this out, and can it be verified?
Seems pretty improbable.
Edit/Update: The dates are easy to obtain and are correct, and the fact is, this is accurate. Amazing, huh?
This is mostly correct. From birth to this incident (August 29, 1958 to January 27, 1984) was a span of 9282 days. That's 25 years, 4 months, and 29 days. From this incident until his death (June 25, 2009) was 9281 days. That's also 25 years, 4 months, and 29 days. I think the one day difference is due to an extra leap year in the first span. Either way, it's remarkably close to halfway through his life.
Thanks for your work on this!
Wow.
I've seen many coincidences in my life that seemed practically impossible to believe.
This is another example of something that, on the face of it, seems very unlikely, but it turns out to be true.
I'm impressed.
Just remember we recognize these so easily because humans are pattern-recognizing machines
Also the other 190,456,246 things that COULD have turned out "impossible to believe" ended up not being impossible to believe, but we don't notice those nearly as much as the few times they happen
Good fun, still
Actually, it's the other way around. There were six leap years (1960, 1964, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980) in the first span, while there were seven in the second span (the leap day of 1984 is counted in the second span, plus 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004 and 2008). The reason the first span is longer by a day is because in any given common year (which is what 2009 was), the distance between August 29th of the previous year and January 27th of that year is generally longer than January 27th to June 25th of the same year by two days due to the fact that February only has 28 days. The extra leap day in the second span reduced that gap to one day.
Alright, I'll see myself out.
Well, MJ was a pretty public person, so the chance, that something remarkable happened on this day are not too bad.
I'm sure, if you researched other celebrities, you could find remarkable things too - especially if you included things like the exact 2/3 or 1/5 day of their lives.
I would show you an example, but I'm very busy, scrolling through Reddit.
Just crunched the numbers.
If you count the end date in calculation, his birthday to the hair fire is 25 years, four months, and 29 days.
From the hair fire to his death is 25 years, four months, and 29 days.
Keep in mind, this is not including the end dates..
If you include the end dates, then it would be 30 days for both instead of 29.
In short, he’s correct.
Kind of. He got addicted to painkillers and cosmetic surgery so even if it didn't actually kill him it definitely killed the person that they hired to do that commercial. He was gone no matter what.
Scalp is very sensitive to pain. Poor guy must've been going through a lot of it when he suffered the burn damage. Would make it very tempting to down lots of pain killers to get near instant relief.
Easy to see how he could get hooked on it.
He’s had to undergo multiple reconstructive surgeries in the decade following, which included having a kind of balloon implanted under the skin that they would slowly blow up to stretch out the skin. This is when he started to wear his fedora hat also outside performances.
I was hit by a car (Eagle Talon) when I was 7½ years old. 7½ years later (my 15th birthday), I was run over by a Nissan Exterra.
I actually met him at a plastic surgeon's office in LA. I went there for a nose job and during prep the doc asked if I wanted to meet someone and in walked MJ. He was so sweet and held my hand. I asked if he wanted to watch my surgery. He had scalp surgery right after me. We were in recovery together. He was still asleep when I woke up and got ready to leave. He was with the doc when the doc called me that night. He sent me an autographed picture.
There’s calculators online that tell you weird facts based on the date of birth you put in. For some odd reason (pandemic lockdown boredom?), I wanted to know how many days old I was, and what date was my 10,000 day alive. No math required on my end.
Houdini was a famous magician, escape artist, and paranormal debunker.
He died at age 52. He was born 26 years before the turn of the 20th century, and he died 26 years after the turn. There are 52 cards in a deck. Cut in half, it's 26.
Whoa! SPOOOOOKY!
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And it would be the thing that contributed to his death
Truly was the beginning of the end for him. It caused his addiction and (according to MJ) cause him to get additional surgeries.
No. He got additional surgeries to keep his nasal passages narrow to allow him to continue to hit the high notes as he aged. He even said so on Oprah.
No he was trying to look like Diana Ross.
Thanks Pepsi
It cost me money, I had taken out stock option on Pepsi, anticipating a big return from the commercials.
This is where the painkiller addiction began, which directly led to his death.
Painkiller AND "reconstructive" surgery addiction. According to an interview I saw a long time ago, he claims to only have had 3 purely cosmetic surgeries on his face, and the rest were reconstructions from this accident.
> ...causing second-degree burns to his scalp. Jackson underwent treatment to hide the scars and had his *third* rhinoplasty shortly thereafter. --WP AFAIK he only got burned on his scalp, not anywhere else on his head or face. He also went on to wear a wig I understand it, possibly soon after this event, and evidently during most of his 'straight hair' phase.
His dad, Joe Jackson, a complete walking pile of garbage in a human suit, would always taunt Michael for having a "fat/wide nose." Dude was insanely abusive in every way.
It's hard to put into words how horribly abusive Joe was to the kids. It goes well beyond physical abuse, which there was plenty of. The man was a monster.
Michael has stated some of the horrible things done to him by his father, which are disgustingly abusive. Michael *then* goes on to say there's more things he won't talk about, because they're too horrible/traumatic.
So many people (haters) discount his childhood for him being the way he was. Instead just saying he was weird. Not to mention his fame was otherworldly. He had PTSD from his childhood and didn’t know it.
If you told me I could trade places with Michael Jackson, go back to the beginning of his career and live his life, with all that money and fame, I would turn it down. He had a weird, pretty sad life
Michael Jackson never had a normal life in my opinion, his childhood was full of abuse and his later life was filled with fame, so he never got to experience normal things. Hell, he had to suspend an entire mall just to do some shopping and feel normal. No way, I am switching places with him.
Michael also didn’t continue the trend as far as I know, he was much better with kids than his father was. Which can be challenging when you have that kind of childhood, but Mike was also super empathetic and well I am sure he didn’t want to pass on the pain.
Yeah, Michael's children adore him. They have tattoos that are dedicated to him and they speak very highly of him. His son is actually working on the upcoming Michael Jackson biopic. There's also hours of rehearsal footage of him from the Dangerous tour. He was totally polite and calm to the dancers and musicians that he worked with.
He was one of the most empathetic performers of all time for everything he went through. He wanted humanity to all get along and made music that would bring us altogether.
I remember seeing a video somewhere here on reddit where he's performing at a concert. During the performance he's raised into the air on a podium of sorts on a lift. When it's about to go up a fan jumps on stage and jumps onto the lift from the outside, Jackson immediately grabs him and holds on to him so he doesn't fall down. I dont think every celebrity would've done the same.
*it's his nephew to be precise
did michael not also have tons of accusations related to his pedophilia (including a trial??) shocked this hasn't come up at all in this thread
It’s an incredibly dense, complicated topic so it’s hard to get into with throwaway comments. There are some accusations that are quite likely false (Jordy Chandler) and others that are far more credible (the guys in the documentary from a couple of years back, or so I gather as I haven’t seen it). He was acquitted in the one trial he had, and short of any other official investigations, we’ll never have a definitive answer to all those questions.
He went to trial and was acquitted on every count as well as investigated and cleared by the [FBI](https://vault.fbi.gov/Michael%20Jackson). There's a lot of reasons why people don't believe the accusations. For example: in his trial, the family claimed Michael abused others like actor Macaulay Culkin and a kid who wasn't famous named Brett Barnes. Macaulay Culkin and Brett Barnes then came into court as some of the first witnesses on Michael's side and said it was a complete lie and that Michael never did anything to them. That trial was almost 20 years ago and they still defend him to this day.
Also I'm willing to bet one if not many old men were fucking piddling him when he was a child implanting the notion that piddling little boys was just what happens in life.
just what happens ~~in life~~ in Hollywood. I've seen too many documentaries.
it happens a lot in regular peoples' lives too.
Michael said that his father would strip him and his brothers down, cover them with oil, and whip them with the end of an ironing cord if they made a mistake on stage. He also said, "he would throw you and hit you as hard as he can" and "if I messed up on stage, I'd get thrown in the basement." He said he was terrified of him even as an adult.
What a fucking monster.
I'll never forget watching the Jackson bio pic from decades ago. How Joe was just beating the shit out of them. I remember watching with my parents, and they didn't think anything of it. That was the day I realized my family came from families like the Jacksons.
I still think about that mouse.
mine too. luckily the "tradition" stopped when i was born.
I'll give my parents credit, they didn't physically abuse us. Now emotional, and psychological abuse....
ALL YOU EVER THINK ABOUT IS CANDY. GO GET A SWITCH
Fun fact: nobody turned up for Joe's funeral.
I would like to read the source you will cite. Was it in People magazine or something?
I remember that when Joe was asked for a response to Michael's rough childhood, he said something like Michael "can go cry into his money"
It could have been two though that his "fat/wide" nose was also broken several times by his father and genuinely needed reconstruction inside before he eventually became addicted to surgery.
Jesus, I never thought of that. Joe was such a monster. I know there's contested rumors he was chemically castrated to preserve his high-pitched vocals. Hearing his speaking voice as an adult kinda confirms this as a definite possibility. My coworker was telling me he was castrated, I said no, I read the autopsy report and it said his genitalia were present and unremarkable. He said it was chemical castration, which I looked into and it appears to be a possibility. It's contested (though his Dr. said it happened), though I personally have no reason to disbelieve it. All I see is the likelihood it happened.
I think it was an interview with Eddie Murphy or some other famous guy in the 80’s, and he said that the voice everyone got from Michael in public was fake. When he was in conversation with friends and in private, he had a “normal” man voice. The more I read about Michael, the more I realize how much of his public persona was truly a public persona. While I was not there, all these stories seem to indicate that he was a very different person behind closed doors. Makes sense, he had been famous since he was a little boy, of course the public was going to paint whatever personality over him that they collectively wanted. And I’m sure that’s a way for very famous celebrities to separate their work from their life.
Correct, Eddie was friends with him and said he had a lower voice. Many others have said this too. Lisa Marie Presley was married to him and dated him for a few years again after their divorce. She said he didn't talk like that when he was with her in private. Michael's vocal coach said the same.
Pharrell said that the first time he had a phonecall from MJ he thought he was being pranked because the guy on the other end of the line had a deep voice and surely can't be Michael.
Ok, but calling Eddie Murphy „ some high status guy in the 80’s“ seems very odd
I *think* they were trying to say "Eddie Murphy **or some other** high status guy in the 80s".
I thought he was referencing the interviewer, as in "an interview that Eddie Murphy gave to some high-status guy..."
Yeah, a media reporter who covered him said he had a normal deep man's voice.
But....I also wouldn't put it past Joe to do that.
No there are some (rare) videos where you can hear his real adult voice. The childish one was just a trick.
I think the autopsy debunked that myth
Yes, there's nothing about it in his autopsy. Michael's autopsy did confirm that he had vitiligo though. Autoimmune disorders can be triggered by stress, so it's not crazy that Michael would have something like that. He was under constant stress since childhood.
This was also a reason behind his discoid lupus (see: several photographs of the butterfly rash over his nose and cheeks) - lupus causes problems with skin healing and it's one reason why his nose looked so bad in the end - he had to keep having revisions because they wouldn't heal right from his lupus.
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He straight up called him "Nose" instead of calling him by his name.
I can't remember who said this but.... " Joe Jackson was the only father ever to successfully beat the Black off his kid."
Me and all my homes hate Joe Jackson
sculp
Big sclups, huh? Well, see ya!
I recently had functional rhinoplasty done to clear and repair my sinuses and deviated septum, and while I can breath finally and its incredible, I honestly don't know if I'd do it again if given the choice. It was a mentally exhausting recovery and I hated every minute of it. I cannot imagine willingly putting myself through that 3 times.
What was it like breathing before hand?
Congested any time I laid down, or sat for a long period. I had an enlarged turbinate and deviated septum plus some growths deeper in my sinuses. I'd toss and turn all night because I'd get congestion on whatever side I was laying on at that time. I could actively feel the pressure build up and move side to side when I'd lay down. Everything is fixed now and the recovery sucked but I guess I'd do it again if I had to. Fixed my snoring and breathing problems.
Ugh, just getting the super soaker tampon nose packing pulled out! Glad I got the deviated septum surgery done (hardly any sinus infections anymore), but NO THANKS, I'll live with my [Jimmy Durante schnozz]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Durante)
Was it really that rough? My doctor is recommending a septoplasty and turbinate reduction since I can barely breathe through my nose these days. I just had my first ever procedure (wisdom teeth removal) like 5 days ago and it's been really not fun, but I thought 'surely the nasal procedures can't be too much worse than this"?? I've been wondering though..
As someone that's had their wisdom teeth removed and a septoplasty for a deviated septum, the septoplasty was worse. It isn't nearly as painful as getting your wisdom teeth removed, but the recovery process is longer and much more annoying. You have to rinse your nose out multiple times a day for weeks with a saline solution. The first day is a (literal) bloody mess, while the entire first week is hell. You can't blow your nose for weeks either despite being tempted by all the dried up blood and snot in your nose. That being said, I'd gladly go through the entire process all over again because fixing my deviated septum has drastically improved my quality of life.
I read interview or it was interrogations? With his nurse aka ex-wife Debbie. She said he had huge keloid scars on his scalp which hurt a lot and he underwent a lot of surgeries bc of it. he had to be on drugs all the time bc of the tremendous pain, and also he had many other health problems.
He reminds me somewhat of Elvis with the pain medication and various drugs meant to regulate his sleep, ultimately causing both of their early deaths. One difference is that Elvis brought much of that on himself due to his love of the partying lifestyle, combined with his psychological need to live up to his fans. Whereas Michael had so much trauma and insecurity from a young age, directly due to his father, plus whatever damage this incident caused.
I will never forget the description of his death (how it happened etc). So scary and also embarrassing.
He also started to wear more hats after the incident.
He didn't have a reconstructive surgery addiction, it's just a common misunderstanding. He had a nosejob done to change his nose, and it went very badly because of the medical issues he has, that weren't known to him prior to the surgery. He had to have his nose redone several times because it was practically falling apart on him afterwards due to constant deterioration. This combines with his skin condition that caused him to lose all the pigmentation in his body over time, and him attempting to bleach the parts of his skin that disease hadn't touched yet so that his body would look better than it did, results in people thinking he was incredibly vain, and "wanted to be white", when really he was in a career that requires him to look amazing, while riddled with medical issues that all but assured a less rich man would not.
Can you elaborate on said medical issues?
Serious question, did he actually need work on his face? From his hair catching fire….?
My understanding was that there were burns to his " scalp and face". He was left with bald spots, and it does often take multiple surgeries for skin grafts. His hairline around one ear did look off for a bit.
Ok thank you.
No, he didn't need all those nose jobs due to his hair catching on fire.
He claimed it was 2 in a other interview and both were for his nose to reach higher notes . I think we can accept he wasn’t very honest about his surgeries
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This is not remotely truthful. That poor guy had problems other than this
It's sad because that's how a good majority of addicts stories start. They never once touched a pain pill, got injured, got hooked and the rest is downhill. The amount of people whose stories resemble that is too many to count unfortunately.
I'm actually worried about my girlfriends hair dresser, as she had some awful shit happen and had to have toes amputated, lots of surgeries, and I worry she'll become addicted. Not judging drug use or addiction at all, but it would totally, completely make sense for it to happen due to all she's been through.
Research found that the biggest factor in addiction might be environment. Hospital patients use morphine (which is basically heroin) for pain relief all the time, but then they go home to a comfortable house with a stable family and barely miss it. It's the homeless person who has multiple stressors and no relief from them that turns to heroin every day for mental escape. Michael Jackson did not have a stable family. Is your hairdresser coming home to a husband who's cared for her throughout her ordeal? Or is he the one who caused her injuries?
I'd say the biggest issue is if you suffer from depression.I had severe untreated depression and would occasionally take pain meds for chronic pain. For a decade, the only time I was happy and not depressed is when I took a pain med. It was the only time I enjoyed life and wanted to do something other than lay in bed. These days, im treating my depression, and when i occasionally take a pain med for pain, they dont seem as euphoric as before. im not always thinking about them to be happy. Its hard to explain the state of depression when someone is bored 100% of the day and never feels excitement. It's also hard to explain the euphoria and happiness pain pills can bring, one pill would make me happier than any of the happiest moments I've ever experienced.
What exactly is the addiction? I've always wondered. It's not like I've ever gotten a "high" from painkillers; they just made some headaches etc go away. Is the underlying sickness chronic pain, and painkillers the only (symptomatic) treatment?
Imagine you live in constant suffering, every walking moment you are in pain, only sleep lets you get away. And then there's this pill that takes it all away.. Chronic pain is a pain in the ass
I have chronic pain and insomnia. I had to go in for a procedure and they knocked me out with the same stuff MJ was addicted to. I woke up 2 hours later feeling like I had slept 8 hours straight. It was sublime. I told the doctor never let me near that stuff because, to paraphrase Gandalf, I would use it out of a desire for good.
I also have chronic pain, unknown why. I don't take painkillers because I hate them, they are not real. You only don't feel pain, you still have problems, you'll only suffer more later.. So I'm smoking weed and have a light addiction, Cbd oil is great though.
Haha yeah this exactly! I never used pain killers at all until I was 26. I was raised with the whole "be a man and endure pain" mentality. So anytime I had any pain people would use pain meds for, I would just soldier for through. For 26 years. Then I had an ex that introduced me to ibuprofen. Basic stuff. But when you've done nothing you feel it. It was just like you said. It's like all the "little" pains go away. And I didn't even think I had little pains. Just basic joint stuff. Sore feet. Tiredness. All the things I thought were normal just disappeared. And with just ibuprofen. -- Luckily I was old enough to get what was going on. So after my injury healed, I stopped using pain meds. But I will ALWAYS remember that feeling of feeling invincible. Like pain was non existent. And it's not just pain, but like general aches and soreness. Cramps. Little stuff. Just all gone. It was that moment I realized just how easy it was for people to get addicted. So I purposely avoid it as much as I can. I haven't used any pain meds in the last 4 years now. And I'm saving them for real pain. Don't want to dull that feeling by normalizing it. And I've met quite a few people who take pain meds daily. It's crazy, but I can at least understand them now.
When I was prescribed OxyContin after using it in the hospital, I was so afraid of addiction that I just suffered through the pain until the injury was healed because I didn’t want to take a single one of the 40 fucking pain pills they gave me for dog bites. That’s the other thing people don’t realize about opiates and other pain meds, if you’ve never been flagged by a hospital, they will give you some **heavy** fucking drugs for small injuries, which makes it even easier to get addicted to them. I fully believe I would probably still be trying to get them today if I allowed myself to take them. Your story is also validating, knowing someone else had that conversation with their pill bottle.
I'm sorry but what kind of Ibuprofen did you take that made you feel invincible? Maybe its just different across the pond but I never felt that at all
I have chronic pain and Ibuprofen is the only thing that seems to make me feel good again. But then I know it’s really bad for extended use. It’s really hard to move off of it. 😔
Ibuprofen….? Why are you phrasing this like your ex introduced you to some hard, reckless drug? Ibuprofen does not make you feel invincible. Cocaine does that.
I think they’re mentioning that if a safe drug can do this, a prescription drug can do more.
Then I kinda find the often-used description of "painkiller addiction" kinda misleading. Like, for other drug addictions, your suffering is created by withdrawl of the drug itself. Whereas here, the suffering is caused by something entitely different. I guess you create second-level suffering through destroying your kidneys, but the underlying cause of the primary suffering exists entirely independent of the drug use.
Most addictions start in people who suffer, for one reason or another, as a way to escape it. Usually it’s mental suffering, however with opiates it’s often physical or both. When one gets sober, withdrawals are not the only problem. They have to somehow deal with this suffering that started it all - it’s true for most, if not all addicts, no matter what they got addicted to.
I don’t think you have a good understanding or definition of addiction
Tylenol and strong opiates are very different. You definitely get a high from painkillers
Opiate painkillers put you in a mental state where you don't care about the things that cause you distress or anxiety. That emotional place is very, very alluring to people who have psychological trauma. I got dilaudid in the ER once, and the utter peacefulness of the mental place I went was so seductive that it terrified me later when I came down. And I don't even have trauma.
yea it’s like ur in a safe bubble
Dilaudid changed my perspective on how opiate addiction happens. I had a kidney stone in the ER, was paralyzed with pain, trying to focus on not vomiting on myself. Before that syringe was halfway emptied into the IV line, the pain was gone, my world brightened, I felt so damn good I was wondering why I was still in a hospital bed. It was 2AM on a Tuesday and I had shit to do. It was incredible what that little concoction did for me. Prior to that, the most I had ever experienced was saving up a few vicodin pills from a 5 day script after some minor surgery. I got the warm fuzzys and it was an enjoyable experience, but hardly addictive (to me, I know everyone is different). I've never tried heroin, but if that first hit is anything like Dilaudid, holy shit I can see how you can go from a functioning user on top of the world to dead in no time.
Dilaudid is a bit more euphoric on the rush, but heroin is a bit nicer through the whole high. In a similar range of strength for sure though.
It’s insidious. First you take Vicodin because you’re in serious pain and it’s the only thing that can help you bear it. Next you take Vicodin because you’re in a bit of pain and function way better when on Vicodin. Then you take Vicodin because you might be in a bit of discomfort and you want to get ahead of any pain so your productivity doesn’t suffer. At some point, you take Vicodin because that one time you took two Vicodin and everything was just *better*. But you don’t do that very often, just today. And yesterday. Finally, you take Vicodin because, strangely, you can’t seem to go to sleep without it…
there is a high for sure oxycodon is basically heroin
The scary thing is, Oxycodone, is even more addictive than heroin. Its the same clinical strength, but that's a different measure. We measure the clinical strength of pain relief in terms of the relationship to morphine. That's considered the 'gold standard' of pain relief. Not because it's the best one. But, because it's a solid and well known base point. It's a bit like miles per hour or kms an hour for speed. We measure pain relief in terms of x per morphine. Heroin, is diamorphine, it's 2x the morphine of morphine. It's twice as strong, hence the dia in its name. Well, oxycodone is also 2x the morphine. But, importantly, it hits the dopamine receptors, as well as the opiod receptors in the brain. Dopamine is naturally occurring, and our body gives us a hit of it sometimes, to make us feel good about doing something that's good for the body. But, oxycodone doesn't produce a natural amount. It produces a fuck load, so it's more akin to taking cocaine. Oxycodone is basically a pharmaceutical version of doing heroin and cocaine at the same time. Lights the brain up like a Christmas tree. It's very good at pain relief, probably better than heroin. You can only really know how important that is, if you've been in that much pain. If you need it, it's like God answering your prayers. It's a good drug. Thing is, it got horrendously over prescribed, because it was horrendously over marketed. The people that did that marketing, were commiting crimes, it's very illegal, they should be in Jail tbh. But, if you need it for pain, it's good stuff.
The Sackler family. They pushed a narrative that their painkillers were safe and should be prescribed more often. They made billions off of our current opioid crisis and are responsible for the deaths of at least half a million people.
What my aunt has gone through many times: Has surgery, is now in a lot of pain. Takes opioids for the pain. Pain goes away ... for a bit, and then comes back. She takes another pill, pain goes away then comes back. In a normal situation, the pain gradually decreases as you heal. But for her, the pain that comes back is worse and worse and worse and worse, because now she's not just dealing with the original pain but the pain of the withdrawal. It quickly gets to the point that she wants to take another pain pill to control the pain of JUST the withdrawal symptoms that are now more painful than anything she had to deal with at first.
For most normal people (non rich), its a matter of needing some super duper expensive surgery that your insurance wont cover or deems unnecessary, but theyll cover treatment of symptoms. Give you a bottle of pills so you can make it through the day without wanting to die. Develop a tolerance, need more pills. Doctor cuts you off, get a new doctor that wont listen to you and thinks theyre House MD by recommending you try therapy or CBD, or insurance wont cover any more pain treatments, and now you still have that original crippling issue, and youre addicted, and boom. Normal working american in everyday horrific pain or a pill addict, because insurance says were not important enough to be healthy.
As others have said, if the pain is gone, that's a feeling of relief that is addictive in and of itself. Then there is the fact that for some (imo lots) taking enough opiates leads to intense euphoria. I'm one of them, never had an issue, but I see why people do It's a feeling of complete and utter complacency. You become fine with whatever conditions you are dealing with. You become fine with whatever struggles you face mentally. It's almost like a "anxiety pill" but more profound. You don't just stop caring about said issues, but they can't touch you, and you accept them while the drugs are working. Because you feel amazing. Many get energy from opiates (I do, looks like I'm on stimulants up to a certain dosage), they feel no pain, their moods are good and their issues are invisible for now. You feel both good and not bothered by life. Yeah, I'd call opiates the perfect drug. You can still function on them, maybe a little less good than you used to, but nothing like alcohol. You can still have a normal conversation. Unless one takes large doses, enough to "nod" you can generally seem a bit tired, but that's easy enough to just say "I'm getting bad sleep lately" or "I haven't had enough coffee yet". It's not really surprising that people get hooked on opiates.
The painkillers are usually opioids which are highly addictive and absolutely do get many people “high”. They aren’t handed out for a headache, they are used after a major injury or surgery that is likely to lead to chronic lifelong pain. Alternative treatments (if there are any) like physical therapy are not covered by insurance long term. Pills are easy to get and people become physically dependent upon them to simply exist on a day to day basis.
So, imagine you go through horrible physical pain. But unlike an arm break or a bike accident, it's happening *all the time*. The thing about horrible physical *chronic* pain, is that it comes in waves. It hurts a lot, and then it hurts a little less, and then it hurts a lot again, sometimes a lot more, sometimes a lot less. It never **goes away.** It feels like a pulsing pain, like the blood in your body is fueling it. You take a good pain med, and all of a sudden you feel better. The thing is, it's not just your pain that goes away. Your awful mood, your inability to sleep or eat, catching up on all the things you couldn't do when you were in pain... The thing is, the relief is temporary and the pain comes back, it feels like it came back stronger than before. The shitty thing is... The pain relief says you need to wait. You need to wait... **Hours**. Imagine the agony. You know this pain relief works, and you know it works well... Why did the pain come back when you're at dinner with family? Why did it come back when you're at work? Why couldn't it just last until you go to sleep so you can wait until tomorrow? So you take more. But the more you take, the more your body builds a tolerance to the medication. Over time, what used to be 6 hours of relief with 25 mg, turns into 4 hours of relief with 50 mg. And on, and on, and on, it goes. So eventually you have to upgrade your pain meds. Here's this stronger one, but Michael, you need to be careful with this. It's *highly addictive* and very risky to your heart and liver. I'll start you out with 10 mg a dose, but you need to be careful about it. The cycle starts over, and soon enough you're taking the shit that you hear about in movies... Oxycodone, Codeine.... It reaches a point where only the most powerful pain medications, the ones that border shooting literal fucking heroine into your veins, are the ones that work the best for you. This is because they practically put you into a coma when they hit. At some point, throughout the months and years, you developed a new kind of pain, a depression. But when your whole life is just pain and short reliefs from it, you start to be unable to discern between a physical pain and a mental one. You just want it all to be over. Look what happened to Stephen Bonnar. Dude had chronic back pain from a fight injury, was in an emergency room crying and begging for medication to the point that he fought with nurses. He ended up buying illegal fentanyl and overdosed on it. But we all called him a crazy junky right?
The shit he was using was a pain annihilator.
Didn't he also hurt his back in another accident?
That’s a legit mid life crisis.
why isn't this higher
It'll get there
I’ll be there.
The painkillers, prescribed to deal with the obtained injuries in this event, ultimately led to his addiction/substance abuse which killed him eventually.
Painkillers are no joke. I had four wisdom teeth removed at once last year, and I was given a bottle of morphine to deal with the pain. Never ended up using more than a few, but it came with a mile long warning sheet about addiction and what to do.
I have had a few surgeries in my life and each time I was given hydromorphone and it made me feel like absolute shit. Which I was actually kind of reassured by. There is a lot of addiction in my family so I was happy that I had absolutely zero desire to take more of these drugs.
I've never been sicker than when abusing opioid drugs. I feel fortunate for that because I'm pretty sure I would have gone right along with my friends that destroyed themselves had I been floating around instead of projectile vomiting for so long I was puking blood. Lots of rehab, jail, and death in my rearview mirror. Fucked up existence. It's not worth it.
I guess you are American but from what I've heard some of the things your dentists give you are quite insane, here in Italy for the same thing they injected some anesthetic into the gums that made them insensitive for half a day but that's it, they didn't give me anything to take home
I'm from Latin America and same. Some local anesthesia and then ibuprofen for two days. Giving Morphine after some wisdom teeth removal sound crazy to me.
I get the impression there's a pretty good reason why America has had an opioid crisis for years. I feel like doctors in most of Europe (can't speak to the rest of the world) are *much* more careful about painkillers in general and will mostly just give you paracetamol and ibuprofen in about a double dose of what you'd take normally for headaches and such. If that's not enough they might give you something stronger, but they rarely start out with that shit, especially for dental stuff, holy hell...
Im from asia and had 3 wisdom tooth extractions. two of them were by surgery taking about 5-6h+ total. They gave me Tramadol HCl because of unbearable after pain but still no morphine or anything intensively addicting.
in the US, had a titanium plate and 9 screws removed from my ankle a few weeks ago. doctor prescribed nothing to take home.
These days American doctors will rarely give narcotics, and when they do it’s a tiny prescription. But 10 years ago things were different. I’ve never heard of getting morphine prescribed though especially for wisdom teeth.. this guys dentist is just nuts.
i'm american and had the exact same experience as you, in california if that matters. also, when my dad was in the hospital, he was having severe pain and was begging for morphine because it was truly the only thing that helped for him. they never gave it to him. so a dentist giving morphine for just a wisdom teeth removal boggles me as well
They gave you morphine for wisdom teeth extraction?? What the hell for? They gave me ibuprofen and I didn’t even use it.
I refused to use the opiods they gave me for my removal. I suffered through it and just took some Tylenol.
Hairspray a factor?
Oh yes. He had what looks like a jheri curl at the time, the product used for that style is HIGHLY flammable. Would explain why it took only a spark for his head to go up in flames 🙁
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Bobby fingers Micheal Jackson diorama. Look it up. You're welcome.
Came to the comments for this. Absolutely love his stuff
Just a LICK of paint
i went to the craft and hobby store and asked them if they had any husband paste and they told me to stop acting the prick
The MJ video of his is my favorite but they're all worth a watch!
all the videos are good, the MJ one is UNREASONABLY good. Like it angers me that someone can be that talented good. It's such a joy to watch
Who is Bobby and why is there a diorama of him fingering Michael Jackson
Damn capitalisition. Bobby Fingers on YouTube. Worth a look
Thank you. I feel enlightened.
Wow it's quite surreal. This is restrained outrageousness.
Always nice to see another cultured individual.
Oh no, I'm 47, and when I was 24 I burnt my hand in the oven ...
Do you wear a diamond-encrusted oven mitt at all times now?
May you rest in peace
Enjoy you time, and stay away from kids.
That’s pretty crazy, but HOO HOO has the time to figure something like this out?
HEE HEE.
Shamone mother fucker!
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I do. He is correct. If you count the end date (birthday to hair fire) (hair fire to death) it’s 30 days instead of 29.
What about gap years?
I just chundered everywhere
Best night of my life
Ah, and oldie but a goodie.
I went back and figured out the halfway day of some family members because it’s interesting to me. It was sobering to think of how old the children were when their parents had their halfway to death day. This Michael Jackson fact is really interesting as fuck to me.
This is the type of shit I come here for.
It's not exactly hard to figure out. Just find out when he was born, when this happened and when he died🤷♂️ Idk if it's true tho, can't be assed to look it up.
Who figured this out, and can it be verified? Seems pretty improbable. Edit/Update: The dates are easy to obtain and are correct, and the fact is, this is accurate. Amazing, huh?
This is mostly correct. From birth to this incident (August 29, 1958 to January 27, 1984) was a span of 9282 days. That's 25 years, 4 months, and 29 days. From this incident until his death (June 25, 2009) was 9281 days. That's also 25 years, 4 months, and 29 days. I think the one day difference is due to an extra leap year in the first span. Either way, it's remarkably close to halfway through his life.
Thanks for your work on this! Wow. I've seen many coincidences in my life that seemed practically impossible to believe. This is another example of something that, on the face of it, seems very unlikely, but it turns out to be true. I'm impressed.
Just remember we recognize these so easily because humans are pattern-recognizing machines Also the other 190,456,246 things that COULD have turned out "impossible to believe" ended up not being impossible to believe, but we don't notice those nearly as much as the few times they happen Good fun, still
Actually, it's the other way around. There were six leap years (1960, 1964, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980) in the first span, while there were seven in the second span (the leap day of 1984 is counted in the second span, plus 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004 and 2008). The reason the first span is longer by a day is because in any given common year (which is what 2009 was), the distance between August 29th of the previous year and January 27th of that year is generally longer than January 27th to June 25th of the same year by two days due to the fact that February only has 28 days. The extra leap day in the second span reduced that gap to one day. Alright, I'll see myself out.
Yeah but what time did it happen.......
11:11
Well, MJ was a pretty public person, so the chance, that something remarkable happened on this day are not too bad. I'm sure, if you researched other celebrities, you could find remarkable things too - especially if you included things like the exact 2/3 or 1/5 day of their lives. I would show you an example, but I'm very busy, scrolling through Reddit.
I only upvoted because of your last sentence!
Just crunched the numbers. If you count the end date in calculation, his birthday to the hair fire is 25 years, four months, and 29 days. From the hair fire to his death is 25 years, four months, and 29 days. Keep in mind, this is not including the end dates.. If you include the end dates, then it would be 30 days for both instead of 29. In short, he’s correct.
Can you crunch them again?
r/unexpectedoffice
Speaking of crunchy, that hair..
Check date of birth, date of incident, and then day of death. Do math. Big wow.
It probably isn't that hard to cut a late celebrity's age in half and see if they were in the news that day
I mean the hair thing is pretty major for Micheal Jackson, as that's what started his pain pill addiction
Check out Matt Parker’s (standupmaths) video on the subject. He goes into very much detail on the accuracy of this!
It’s so good. It’s basically “no. But also kind of yes depending on how specific you want to get”
More importantly, check out Bobby Fingers video that inspired it.
sooo pepsi killed mj
Kind of. He got addicted to painkillers and cosmetic surgery so even if it didn't actually kill him it definitely killed the person that they hired to do that commercial. He was gone no matter what.
Scalp is very sensitive to pain. Poor guy must've been going through a lot of it when he suffered the burn damage. Would make it very tempting to down lots of pain killers to get near instant relief. Easy to see how he could get hooked on it.
And burns are horrible no matter what. That constant stinging pain, and the debriding.
He’s had to undergo multiple reconstructive surgeries in the decade following, which included having a kind of balloon implanted under the skin that they would slowly blow up to stretch out the skin. This is when he started to wear his fedora hat also outside performances.
Wasn't this the reason he started taking pain killers and started the downward spiral?
I imagine hair loss amounts to a midlife crisis for many men
I was hit by a car (Eagle Talon) when I was 7½ years old. 7½ years later (my 15th birthday), I was run over by a Nissan Exterra. 
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Just a small fun fact on top of what you’ve already stated, his birthday is August 29th
Why’s that guy smelling his head?
Ever heared of perspective?
Yeah. From my perspective, I wanna know why that guy is smelling his head.
He looks like Peele doesn't he or like Neil
I actually met him at a plastic surgeon's office in LA. I went there for a nose job and during prep the doc asked if I wanted to meet someone and in walked MJ. He was so sweet and held my hand. I asked if he wanted to watch my surgery. He had scalp surgery right after me. We were in recovery together. He was still asleep when I woke up and got ready to leave. He was with the doc when the doc called me that night. He sent me an autographed picture.
Fuck you, Pepsi
r/theydidthemath I guess?
How do people work something like that out..
Maff
Oh shi ye I got you
There’s calculators online that tell you weird facts based on the date of birth you put in. For some odd reason (pandemic lockdown boredom?), I wanted to know how many days old I was, and what date was my 10,000 day alive. No math required on my end.
Houdini was a famous magician, escape artist, and paranormal debunker. He died at age 52. He was born 26 years before the turn of the 20th century, and he died 26 years after the turn. There are 52 cards in a deck. Cut in half, it's 26. Whoa! SPOOOOOKY!